All Ireland Senior Football Final 2010 Cork V Down

teednab-el

Well who will win it?

Im thinking Down after todays performance.

Magill

I hope we (Down) win, but cork have some superb players. If both teams play to they're potential, it will be a great game.

Birdnuts

Both teams are lucky to get through to this based on the semis:(

Long Term Louth

Boylesports have it

4/9 Cork

13/8 Down

But they where wrong today!!!!

ShamoBuc

Cork and down - who would have thought it at the start of the year. I thought cork would go all the way but down have certainly come from under the radar. It should be a fascinating final and I think the 'luck' element might decide it. A square ball, a dodgy penalty decision, a penalty miss etc. might just decide it. Cork to shade it for me!

WallyGUFC

Down given current form. Cork have laboured all the way and are a small bit lucky to be there. Down have been on a roll since destroying Sligo. I think Down, but it'll be damn close.

KevIRL

Up Down

teednab-el

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Cork to shade it for me!

I just dont know after today. Cork were poor against Dublin....Down look very dangerous today against Kildare and Kildare are no bad team. Our midfielders are better than Kildares but they better not start shooting from far out (especially Aidan Walsh) or we are doomed. Our forward line is unpredictable and if its a pressure game will they choke like so many occasions in the past? Our back line is ok but they wont be able to do much if there is a good supply of ball going into the Down forwards. Cork will have to pull out a performance of their lives if we seriously think we can win sam? I wont ever be confident in Cork until I see them winning the Sam Maguire once.

ShamoBuc

teednab-el wrote: »

I just dont know after today. Cork were poor against Dublin....Down look very dangerous today against Kildare and Kildare are no bad team. Our midfielders are better than Kildares but they better not start shooting from far out (especially Aidan Walsh) or we are doomed. Our forward line is unpredictable and if its a pressure game will they choke like so many occasions in the past? Our back line is ok but they wont be able to do much if there is a good supply of ball going into the Down forwards. Cork will have to pull out a performance of their lives if we seriously think we can win sam? I wont ever be confident in Cork until I see them winning the Sam Maguire once.

I can see your point, but once this cork win sam I think they can go on and win it a few times, they need to get over the finishing line -I don't particularly care how they do it.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Cheering for Down but I really can't see any other result than a Cork victory. Down need Ambrose, Benny and Marty Clarke fit and ready whereas Cork aren't over reliant on any individual.

bijapos

Well on paper its Cork's to lose. Downs backs were appaling today and a Gooch Cooper, Donie Shine or Brogan would have finished them off big time. I was at the match and their back row positioning was desperate, something that you might not see on TV.

Great spirit in the Down team though and they can play great football at times.

Nerves will be an issue, Cork will be the favourites and will have to try to bury the ghost of September 2007. Head says Cork, gut says Down.

teednab-el

bijapos wrote: »

Nerves will be an issue, Cork will be the favourites and will have to try to bury the ghost of September 2007. Head says Cork, gut says Down.

It might be better if Cork werent favourities for a change. Might drive them on. Cork have alot of ghosts to bury and hopefully it will be third time lucky but Im very nervous with this Cork team.

teednab-el

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I can see your point, but once this cork win sam I think they can go on and win it a few times, they need to get over the finishing line -I don't particularly care how they do it.

Exactly, once they achieve success they will achieve it again. The more All Irelands they loose the harder it will get. Its destiny at this stage for many of those Cork players. It might be the last boat for success so they better get on it.

SeaFields

Down have been in 5 finals and won all 5. This cork team has lost the two they were in.

Records are there to be broken tho.

rpurfield

said at the start cork would win sam this year but its going to be a great final.i think down are the better team to look at as a neutral but cork are so big and powerful i dont think down will handle it.and if down do win i will cry cos i had them at the start of the year to win ulster,it was a sizable wager too

Het-Field

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I can see your point, but once this cork win sam I think they can go on and win it a few times, they need to get over the finishing line -I don't particularly care how they do it.

TBH, I dont think so. This Cork team is quite good. In fact they are good enough to take Sam Maguire, and I expect them to do it in September. However, I dont think they have the potential to be a "team of the decade", and I feel that when Kerry and Tyrone recalibrate, and if Dublin, Kildare, and Down continue to build on their potential, they will all match Cork in 2011. This business of "going under the radar" is not applicable in this situation, as most people felt Cork have it in them. They also enjoyed a relatively easy run to the final, as they didnt really play anybody of substance and/or experience. In fact the only really challanger which they met was Kerry, and they failed to beat them.

I dont see anything in this Cork team which would suggest dominance, and I believe they could be exposed in time by teams which have gained more experience at Championship level.

starlit

I'd say that Down has a great chance of winning the All Ireland.

teednab-el

Het-Field wrote: »

TBH, I dont think so. This Cork team is quite good. In fact they are good enough to take Sam Maguire, and I expect them to do it in September. However, I dont think they have the potential to be a "team of the decade", and I feel that when Kerry and Tyrone recalibrate, and if Dublin, Kildare, and Down continue to build on their potential, they will all match Cork in 2011. This business of "going under the radar" is not applicable in this situation, as most people felt Cork have it in them. They also enjoyed a relatively easy run to the final, as they didnt really play anybody of substance and/or experience. In fact the only really challanger which they met was Kerry, and they failed to beat them.

I dont see anything in this Cork team which would suggest dominance, and I believe they could be exposed in time by teams which have gained more experience at Championship level.

One All Ireland will do for now. Ive never seen Cork lifting Sam maguire was a toddler the last time we won it.

dartbhoy

Been a Cork football supporter I'm never very confident about them winning an All Ireland football title! It has been a strange year for a Cork football supporter,they haven't played to their potential this year yet their in an All Ireland final! If Cork can produce that 1 good game they have in them against Down I'm sure Sam will be coming to Leeside but anything else and there will be heartbreak again I fear!

teednab-el

If Cork loose this year I want to see the end of Counihan and Co and the county board. They have yet to deliver and if they dont then its their own fault as the training and management mustnt be right. Cork have great players but its unbelievable that they havent tasted success. I think its a disgrace that the County championship is going on during this time with inter county players playing for their clubs. None of this would happen if it was in Kerry.

dartbhoy

teednab-el wrote: »

If Cork loose this year I want to see the end of Counihan and Co and the county board. They have yet to deliever and if they dont then its their own fault as the training and management mustnt be right. Cork have great players but its unbelievable that they havent tasted success. I think its a disgrace that the County championship is going on during this time with inter county players playing for their clubs. None of this would happen if it was in Kerry.

Actually this year is better than others! From today on no inter county players will be left play for their clubs in Cork county championship action which is only right. If Cork don't win the All Ireland this year I'm sure Counihan will walk and even if they do win it Counihan could still bail out! IMO this is a very important All Ireland final for Cork,win it and we could be looking at further All Ireland wins down the line. If they lose it could possibly put Cork into decline!

whocares86

teednab-el wrote: »

If Cork loose this year I want to see the end of Counihan and Co and the county board. .

well the county board will never go anywhere

teednab-el wrote: »

I think its a disgrace that the County championship is going on during this time with inter county players playing for their clubs. None of this would happen if it was in Kerry.

have to disagree with you there. the club championship has to continue, sure they will have 3 weeks to prepare like Down, sure didnt Kilkenny play a round of club games after winning their semi final

teednab-el

whocares86 wrote: »

well the county board will never go anywhere

A change I mean.

whocares86 wrote: »

have to disagree with you there. the club championship has to continue, sure they will have 3 weeks to prepare like Down, sure didnt Kilkenny play a round of club games after winning their semi final

There is a big danger of injuries and we all know Cork will need all their good players if they have any hope of winning an All Ireland.

eigrod

Cork have experience, a very strong bench and the proven ability to finish games strongly which are all real advantages.

Cork for me but its an AI final so Down are well in there with a shout.

Will it be white (Cork) v yellow (Down) or will it be provincial colours?

Ian_K

SeaFields wrote: »

Down have been in 5 finals and won all 5. This cork team has lost the two they were in.

Records are there to be broken tho.

How does this make sense? This Down team have won nothing, most of them have never played in an all ireland final. Alright this Cork team havent won a senior AI but theyve been there twice before and the younger lads who wernt there before have under 21 medals in their pockets.

Last year Cork beat Down in the under 21 final with a late goal in a craking game in Portlaoise. From memory Aidan Walsh, Ciaran Sheehan, Colm O'Neill, Mark Poland, Conor Maginn and Peter Fitzpatrick played that day and will now meet again in a few weeks

If Cork can get a hold on the Down forwards and our own forwards can click we'd be in with a great chance as we'll probably win more around midfield but i really dont see how Cork are favourites at this stage, we've been playing shíte all year and Down have been outstanding! Roll on September 19

Ian_K

eigrod wrote: »

Will it be white (Cork) v yellow (Down) or will it be provincial colours?

I was wondering this myself, Cork have a nice navy kit ive seen around - not sure if its a goalkeepers top or what but id like to see us wearing this in the final. Down will probably were yellow ya

overmantle

My heart says Cork but my head says Down. Not sure why Cork would be the favourites.
Great performance by the Cork Minors today, so at least it's the two Cork teams are representing Munster. Best of luck to Cork and let's hope the heads are better than they were in the past.

BERBA

cork to win it handy imo , 5 or 6 points , down nearly $hat the course today and fell over the line and we all saw how cork finished like a train against the dubs. If cork start well they will win easily imo. Up the rebels

jogmeister

Cork 2-11 Down 1-9. Its worth a fiver!

girvtheswerve

As a neutral Id like to see Down win. They have impressed me this year. Cork need to prove that they arent chokers.

Either way it should be a good final and Im looking forward to it

castie

jogmeister wrote: »

Cork 2-11 Down 1-9. Its worth a fiver!

Cork havent been getting goals so unsure if they would get 2 in the Final.

Ian_K

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0830/cork_down.html

Both teams to wear alternate kits for AI final - Down will be yellow, hope Cork go for navy and not white!

teednab-el

Not sure how I could stomach a third All Ireland defeat in the space of three years for Cork. Looking at the news there, there is an air of confidence in Down that they can win the All Ireland. That should set down a marker for Cork as what to expect. Cork better be on their game for once. They should be worried about loosing another All Ireland and the pain of defeat. If the last two All Ireland defeats arent painful enough for Cork to remember then loosing another one will be a nightmare. If Cork are unsuccessful this year then they need their h**les kicked and nobody should ever follow them again.

crebel81

BERBA wrote: »

cork to win it handy imo , 5 or 6 points , down nearly $hat the course today and fell over the line and we all saw how cork finished like a train against the dubs. If cork start well they will win easily imo. Up the rebels

Cork have won nothing handy this year. They have just gotten over the line in most of the championship matches. Cork beat Dublin due to Dublins indiscipline in the last quarter of the game. I still don't think we have the forwards like many other counties possess...I mean the lads have potential but with the management that is currently in place, I can't see this potential been realised anytime soon. I would be very weary of Down...but if Cork can get to grips with Marty Clarke and Coulter than they should drive on really as these guys are the main ones who stick out. Anyway, UP DA REBELS!!

homerjay2005

downs name is on the trophy after a few breaks they got this year, its been an incredible story for them.

sadly, i fear that this is corks all ireland and their luck has run out. they have been there before and lost, they know what its like. down have pulled off 2 great victories, but an all ireland is one huge step. i dont think they can pull this off, but i hope they do.

if down win, it would be fantastic for the GAA and Kerry people for one, will be supporting them, after the antics and stunts of the cork players earlier in the summer, that went unpunished.

Bogsnorkler

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if down win, it would be fantastic for the GAA and Kerry people for one, will be supporting them, after the antics and stunts of the cork players earlier in the summer, that went unpunished.

What stuns would that be?

Not that Kerry need an excuse not to root for Cork.

shezmagic

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if down win, it would be fantastic for the GAA and Kerry people for one, will be supporting them, after the antics and stunts of the cork players earlier in the summer, that went unpunished.

If Down win it may be fantastic for Kerry but I am sure the rest of the GAA world can make up its own mind on what it considers to be a favourable oucome. :rolleyes:

The rest of your comment obviously demonstrates you are approaching this one with a pre-conceived mindset based on historical county allegiances and thus are hardly qualified to speak on behalf of the entire GAA-supporting population base of 30 other counties.

homerjay2005

i would bet alot of money that if a neutral poll was done in all 32 counties, it wouldnt be far off 31 V 1 supporting down.

not alot of people like cork, they are almost as hated as dublin country wide.

(and before the dubs come on, i actually like dublin and was hoping they would win the all ireland this year, once we got knocked out)

Bogsnorkler

A bitter Kerryman, I suppose it must be a strange feeling having nothing to do at this time of year

shezmagic

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i would bet alot of money that if a neutral poll was done in all 32 counties, it wouldnt be far off 31 V 1 supporting down.

not alot of people like cork, they are almost as hated as dublin country wide.

(and before the dubs come on, i actually like dublin and was hoping they would win the all ireland this year, once we got knocked out)

You can bet all the money you want but the reality is there will be people in all 30 neutral counties who will extend a preference for both teams for a variety of different reasons. Some people will naturally favour the underdog, others will dislike Cork as you say but others would like this Cork football team to win because they have endured a lot of heartbreak in recent years. Have a look around GAA boards. It is not as clear-cut as you would like it to be.

There are no abolutes here and we are not dealing in a US-style Presidential campaign where entire counties are declared Cork or Down.

crebel81

homerjay2005 wrote: »

downs name is on the trophy after a few breaks they got this year, its been an incredible story for them.

sadly, i fear that this is corks all ireland and their luck has run out. they have been there before and lost, they know what its like. down have pulled off 2 great victories, but an all ireland is one huge step. i dont think they can pull this off, but i hope they do.

if down win, it would be fantastic for the GAA and Kerry people for one, will be supporting them, after the antics and stunts of the cork players earlier in the summer, that went unpunished.

Bitterness of the highest order
What stunts would you be referring to? At long last, Kerry were caught out this year with the dirty 'cute' little tricks ye get up to. would just be very interesting to know what these so called stunts were?????

marcusurillies

Predictions have been accurate to date.

Think Down will win this one myself. If Downs Martin Clarke gets the same amount of ball that he did against kildare, Down should win this Match but if Cork muscles him of the ball enough i think they ll definitely get it tight as Cork will do what they done to Tyrone last year.
Down by 4 points
Tyrone minors by 6
Could be a ****ty Day for cork

crebel81

marcusurillies wrote: »

Predictions have been accurate to date.

Think Down will win this one myself. If Downs Martin Clarke gets the same amount of ball that he did against kildare, Down should win this Match but if Cork muscles him of the ball enough i think they ll definitely get it tight as Cork will do what they done to Tyrone last year.
Down by 4 points
Tyrone minors by 6
Could be a ****ty Day for cork

Going on current form then yes Down should beat Cork. But It isnt as black and white as that. Cork have not played as well as they can this year yet they still find themselves in an AI final. Hopefully they will improve because they cant get any worse.

Im also hoping Counihan gets his tactics right on the day. As we hear over and over again about Marty Clarkes influence (and rightly so), Cork obviously need to be as tactical as possible to limit any time he has on the ball. If Nicholas and C. O'Neill dont start I will pull my hair out. Its as clear as day what they bring to the side. Kavanagh, even though he has done very well when played should not be playing against Down. Just dont think he has the legs anymore. The tactics will obviously involve Cork getting behind the ball but when they do break, quick ball into Kerrigan might or should cause damage

Ian_K

If Cork dont produce their biggest performance of the year we will probably lose, simple as that. We need to get back to where we were 12 months ago, playing quick, direct football and forget about all this handpassing!

Meath's David Coldrick has been appointed referee; http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0901/referee.html

teednab-el

Pearse O Neill is one guy who needs to bloody perform...sick and tired of not seeing him perform on the big occassions. For a man of his size he has to step up to the plate for once. He has ended up second best off his marker in the 2007 and 2009 All Ireland finals. If O Neill, O Connor, Goulding, Kerrigan and Kelly bottle...we are in serious trouble.

Goulding/O Connor will have to score each scorable free and if so, Cork will win with a bit to spare. If we start kicking wides like last year...Its goodnight and goodluck for Cork. Also If Cork Management were smart they would advise Aidan Walsh not to shoot from far out. He is brutal at it and will only activate the nerve and bottle stations for the Cork forwards. All he needs to do is catch the ball centre field and give a good and accurate pass into the forward line. Football is really a simple game when played right. Cork have to proove alot of the critics like Joe Brolly that they are not chokers. 2010 is a year that Cork must win Sam Maguire..This team is finished otherwise and will never have a better chance. Down are good but there are better teams out there over the years that Cork have defeated so its not impossible. Cork need a good sports psychologist to make them believe they can win.

Swoosh

SeaFields wrote: »

Down have been in 5 finals and won all 5. This cork team has lost the two they were in.

Records are there to be broken tho.

this cork team have been in 2. This down team have been in 0.

the semi finals were markedly different. The space that forwards had to attack into in the down/kildare game was not there for the cork/dublin game.If it is an open game of football then i think cork will shade it especially given their strenght in depth. cork also have the likes of cadogan and sheilds to put the shackles on coulter and clarke not to mention including canty and miskella.

cork will need to improve on their recent performances but the semi final against dublin showed something new about the cork team. a resilence to get over the line without panicking an imploding that wasnt evident in previous years. Down have had a great year but Cork in the final should be a bridge too far.

Swoosh

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i would bet alot of money that if a neutral poll was done in all 32 counties, it wouldnt be far off 31 V 1 supporting down.

not alot of people like cork, they are almost as hated as dublin country wide.

(and before the dubs come on, i actually like dublin and was hoping they would win the all ireland this year, once we got knocked out)

after seeing cork suffer the disappointments of recent years i think a good share of neutrals will be supporting cork

hurling_lad

crebel81 wrote: »

Going on current form then yes Down should beat Cork. But It isnt as black and white as that. Cork have not played as well as they can this year yet they still find themselves in an AI final. Hopefully they will improve because they cant get any worse.
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Sorry to pick on this one quote, but the belief that seems to be widespread that Down are showing better form than Cork just doesn't hold water.

In the semi-finals, Cork beat Dublin by one point in a game where Dublin were playing well for 75-80% of the time. I'd even say Dublin played as well against Cork as they did against Tyrone, but Cork took their scores at crucial times in the game whereas Tyrone didn't. Cork also introduced players from the bench who clearly improved the team and who all contributed hugely to Cork's 1-08 haul in the closing 20 minutes.

Down, on the other hand, beat a Kildare team that was not playing well for most of the game (and who had zero luck for the whole game). The winning margin here was two points, but there was really no difference to the margin in the Cork-Dublin game when you consider that Bernard Brogan kicked Dublin's last opportunity over the bar whereas Robert Kelly went for a goal with Kildare's last chance. Down's substitutes (who in fairness scored 0-2) didn't have anything like the impact of the Cork subs at the end of the other game as Kildare outscored Down 1-04 to 0-2 in the last fifteen minutes.

Bottom line: Cork barely beat a Dublin team whe were playing well for most of the game, Down barely beat a Kildare team who were playing poorly for most of the game. If you were to draw a conclusion from the two semi-final performances (which I actually think you shouldn't, as it's difficult to compare any two games due to a multitude of factors), you'd have to say that Cork are showing slightly better form than Down going into the final.

crebel81

hurling_lad wrote: »

Sorry to pick on this one quote, but the belief that seems to be widespread that Down are showing better form than Cork just doesn't hold water.

In the semi-finals, Cork beat Dublin by one point in a game where Dublin were playing well for 75-80% of the time. I'd even say Dublin played as well against Cork as they did against Tyrone, but Cork took their scores at crucial times in the game whereas Tyrone didn't. Cork also introduced players from the bench who clearly improved the team and who all contributed hugely to Cork's 1-08 haul in the closing 20 minutes.

Down, on the other hand, beat a Kildare team that was not playing well for most of the game (and who had zero luck for the whole game). The winning margin here was two points, but there was really no difference to the margin in the Cork-Dublin game when you consider that Bernard Brogan kicked Dublin's last opportunity over the bar whereas Robert Kelly went for a goal with Kildare's last chance. Down's substitutes (who in fairness scored 0-2) didn't have anything like the impact of the Cork subs at the end of the other game as Kildare outscored Down 1-04 to 0-2 in the last fifteen minutes.

Bottom line: Cork barely beat a Dublin team whe were playing well for most of the game, Down barely beat a Kildare team who were playing poorly for most of the game. If you were to draw a conclusion from the two semi-final performances (which I actually think you shouldn't, as it's difficult to compare any two games due to a multitude of factors), you'd have to say that Cork are showing slightly better form than Down going into the final.

When I said current form, I wasnt specifically referring to the semi's but
I can see ur point. However Down were on top against Kerry from the word go. Cork took their time against Roscommon b4 finishing strong in the end.

Tbh its pretty hard to make a prediction when u think of all the surprise outcomes this year.

Mr. Incognito

Cork- hands down.

If Kerry's valid goal had been allowed in the first half Down wouldn't even be around.

I reckon Cork by 5- they will clean out midfield.

crebel81

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Cork- hands down.

If Kerry's valid goal had been allowed in the first half Down wouldn't even be around.

I reckon Cork by 5- they will clean out midfield.

And what about Down's valid goal? Kerry might have come out on top if it was allowed but who knows. Thought it was open handed myself but thats my opinion.