Kilrush to get Tesco Petrol Station.

ppearse

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Not great for the local businesses though

Sham Squire

Will they be any cheaper than the others? West Clare must be the most expensive place in Ireland to buy petrol. pumps.ie has the average irish price at 1.32euro while the cheapest in West Clare is 134 and I've seen as high as 1.39.

finbarrk

This is a disaster for local business. Tesco will undercut everybody else untill they eventually close them, then return to normal pricing.

User Friendly

finbarrk wrote: »

This is a disaster for local business. Tesco will undercut everybody else untill they eventually close them, then return to normal pricing.

what would you call normal pricing? if they can sell cheaper fuel,then that can only be good for the motorist.your saying they are going to do a wallmart in kilrush?:)
tesco coming to town and selling fuel cheaper can only be a good thing,anything but a disaster for all the employment they give the community. and if they can sell cheaper fuel..way hey,happy days.these stations have had it good enough for long enough,easily marking up 10/15 cent a litre when other pumps in the county were and are making 3/4/5 cent a litre.
Certain pump stations in north clare do a similar mark up on fuel prices.
let them close i say.

clairek6

tesco opened a petrol station in ballinasloe a few months ago.. when it was first open petrol and diesel were a good few cent cheaper but after about 2 weeks they were dearer than the cheapest place in town!:p

rubberdiddies

User Friendly wrote: »

what would you call normal pricing? if they can sell cheaper fuel,then that can only be good for the motorist.your saying they are going to do a wallmart in kilrush?:)
tesco coming to town and selling fuel cheaper can only be a good thing,anything but a disaster for all the employment they give the community. and if they can sell cheaper fuel..way hey,happy days.these stations have had it good enough for long enough,easily marking up 10/15 cent a litre when other pumps in the county were and are making 3/4/5 cent a litre.
Certain pump stations in north clare do a similar mark up on fuel prices.
let them close i say.

look at the number of businesses that have closed down already since Tesco opened up there. Electrical, hardware, grocery etc. I would think that this is directly related to Tesco opening. Good for the community?? Short term for price and choice reasons, yes. Long term effects will in my opinion be devastating. Lets take a look at Kilrush in 5 years time. I believe you will see a lot more closed down and empty units.

Kilrush has a history of being a thriving market town. I believe a lot of that will be lost over the next few years

Palmach

rubberdiddies wrote: »

look at the number of businesses that have closed down already since Tesco opened up there. Electrical, hardware, grocery etc. I would think that this is directly related to Tesco opening. Good for the community?? Short term for price and choice reasons, yes. Long term effects will in my opinion be devastating. Lets take a look at Kilrush in 5 years time. I believe you will see a lot more closed down and empty units.

Kilrush has a history of being a thriving market town. I believe a lot of that will be lost over the next few years

These big out of town super stores cost the area 3 jobs for every job they create on average. As usual some people know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

Palmach

Sham Squire wrote: »

Will they be any cheaper than the others? West Clare must be the most expensive place in Ireland to buy petrol. pumps.ie has the average irish price at 1.32euro while the cheapest in West Clare is 134 and I've seen as high as 1.39.

Wow a whole 2 cents more. You have little to bother you.

rubberdiddies

Palmach wrote: »

These big out of town super stores cost the area 3 jobs for every job they create on average. As usual some people know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

whoever gave planning permission (presumably its the UDC?) will have to take a lot of the blame if it does have a negative impact on the town and West Clare as a whole. Sure they're getting a lot of revenue/rates from tesco, but now of course theyve also lost and will continue to lose the revenue/rates from the closed down shops

finbarrk

User Friendly wrote: »

what would you call normal pricing? if they can sell cheaper fuel,then that can only be good for the motorist.your saying they are going to do a wallmart in kilrush?:)
tesco coming to town and selling fuel cheaper can only be a good thing,anything but a disaster for all the employment they give the community. and if they can sell cheaper fuel..way hey,happy days.these stations have had it good enough for long enough,easily marking up 10/15 cent a litre when other pumps in the county were and are making 3/4/5 cent a litre.
Certain pump stations in north clare do a similar mark up on fuel prices.
let them close i say.

I wouldn't think you are from the area. Personally I don't think it's right that a british company can come in outside the town and undercut the traders that are family business's that are there for years. The Kilrush fuel prices are no different than other parts of the country anyway at the moment.

Sham Squire

Palmach wrote: »

Wow a whole 2 cents more. You have little to bother you.

You obviously haven't thought this through. That's 2 cents PER GALLON. This is rural Ireland were talking about. Everybody has to drive, there's no public transport. That means we spend, on average, 20% more on fuel than our urban cousins who have the option of walking to ameneties or taking public transport. That's 20% + the extra 2 cents per gallon. I'm glad your in the enviable position of not having to worry about 2 cents per gallon. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

ppearse

rubberdiddies wrote: »

look at the number of businesses that have closed down already since Tesco opened up there. Electrical, hardware, grocery etc. I would think that this is directly related to Tesco opening. Good for the community?? Short term for price and choice reasons, yes. Long term effects will in my opinion be devastating. Lets take a look at Kilrush in 5 years time. I believe you will see a lot more closed down and empty units.

Kilrush has a history of being a thriving market town. I believe a lot of that will be lost over the next few years

So exactly who are Tesco supposed to have closed down ? Brews perhaps ?? I think Brews problems were happening long before Tesco arrived. Tesco sell mainly grocery goods so I dont think that could have affected Brews. O Rourkes Londis shop maybe ? Well I think O Rourkes was up for sale even before Tesco arrived. So exactly who have Tesco closed ??

ppearse

finbarrk wrote: »

This is a disaster for local business. Tesco will undercut everybody else untill they eventually close them, then return to normal pricing.

What you are accusing Tesco of is Predatory Pricing which is an illegal practice. Predatory Pricing is a myth that is put forward by others who do not want competition. The theory behind Predatory Pricing as you say is that the bigger firm closes the small firm by selling below cost and then when everyone is wiped out they charge monopolistic prices to recoup the losses incurred during the predation period. This makes no sense from a business or economics perspective.

: Once the "predator" starts to charge monopolistic prices , there is nothing to stop other competition from entering the scene. This would be virtually guaranteed and mean the "predator" would have to respond by reducing its prices and thereby not recoup any of its initial losses.

Also , a predatory pricing strategy is extremely risky for the so called predator because it also assumes that people will not stock up during the " predation " period. Again the "predator" would struggle to regain its initial losses.

At the end of the day this issue is about free will . Tesco do not put a gun to anybodys head to buy anything from them. If people are so concerned then just continue to buy your fuel from whoever you like. Personally , I buy my petrol wherever its cheaper and if Tescos petrol is dearer at any stage then I will buy it elsewhere.

ppearse

clairek6 wrote: »

tesco opened a petrol station in ballinasloe a few months ago.. when it was first open petrol and diesel were a good few cent cheaper but after about 2 weeks they were dearer than the cheapest place in town!:p

I agree with you. Generally there is a kind of introductory few cents off and then every so often they have that "spend 100 euro in store and get 5 cent off petrol offer". Generally speaking the difference between Tesco and the others is minimal as can be seen on www.pumps.ie

brian076

I wouldn't get too excited about Tescos opening, unleaded is currently 132.9 in Maynooth compared to 129.9 in Applegreen a couple of miles away in Celbridge. Even Ardiff's in Leixlip which was always one of the dearest in the area are only charging 130.9.

ppearse

rubberdiddies wrote: »

whoever gave planning permission (presumably its the UDC?) will have to take a lot of the blame if it does have a negative impact on the town and West Clare as a whole. Sure they're getting a lot of revenue/rates from tesco, but now of course theyve also lost and will continue to lose the revenue/rates from the closed down shops

Just to clarify. Kilrush Town Council granted permission twice. The first application was overturned by An Bord Pleanala on traffic safety grounds.
You see it is not within the remit of any planning authority or An Bord Pleanala to refuse permission to protect existing retailers. Planning applications can only be refused for valid planning issues and the issue of competition is not a valid planning issue. Again not sure what closed down shops you are talking about. Im not aware that Tesco have closed any business in Kilrush. It seems that Tesco are a convenient excuse for every failed business to blame.

Shelflife

"Tesco sell mainly grocery goods"


White electrical goods, cds, dvds,books,clothes,flowers, alcohol, insurance, phones . none of these would be classed as grocery goods.

the problem with Tesco is they only sell the top sellers in these ranges and they sell them cheap, so any of the above retails find it hard to compete with them on price and therefore go out of business.

standard business you might say but lets say you dont want a top 20 cd but you fancy a declan nerney classic or a book on sushi cooking or a liquer that the local and specialised retailer would have stocked......well tesco wont stock them so you now have to travel 30 -40 miles to get your slightly obscure item that used to be on your doorstep.

it has been shown that a €1 spent in a locally owned shop will generate more for the economy then a €1 spent in a non locally owned shop.

short term gain for long term pain.

ppearse

Palmach wrote: »

Wow a whole 2 cents more. You have little to bother you.

Well lets do the maths. If you take an average car that hold approx. 60 litres of fuel then if for the sake of argument there is a 5 cent per litre difference between two petrol stations that makes a difference of 3 euro between the two stations on a full tank of fuel. Now if you use a tank of fuel per week as I do ( and sometimes more ) , then that equates to 156 euro per year. Maybe 156 euro per year to Palmach might mean nothing but it would tax my car for six months. Maybe Palmach is from Dublin and can hop on the Dart but here in West Clare its either use a car or walk.

ppearse

Shelflife wrote: »

"Tesco sell mainly grocery goods"


White electrical goods, cds, dvds,books,clothes,flowers, alcohol, insurance, phones . none of these would be classed as grocery goods.

the problem with Tesco is they only sell the top sellers in these ranges and they sell them cheap, so any of the above retails find it hard to compete with them on price and therefore go out of business.

standard business you might say but lets say you dont want a top 20 cd but you fancy a declan nerney classic or a book on sushi cooking or a liquer that the local and specialised retailer would have stocked......well tesco wont stock them so you now have to travel 30 -40 miles to get your slightly obscure item that used to be on your doorstep.

it has been shown that a €1 spent in a locally owned shop will generate more for the economy then a €1 spent in a non locally owned shop.

short term gain for long term pain.

And what about all the normal everyday items that people in Kilrush and West Clare were travelling to Ennis and Limerick to buy because we couldnt get them locally. What about that new release DVD that you mention that only Record Rack in Ennis had but now we have on our doorstep ?

What about all those euros that the employees of Tesco spend locally in Kilrush and West Clare ?

As for Declan Nearny and Sushi Cooking ? Jesus help us !

Shelflife

"What about all those euros that the employees of Tesco spend locally in Kilrush and West Clare ?"


what about the local solicitors, accountants, painters,builders, handy men, suppliers that the local shops used?

What about the millions of euros that will be repatriated back to the uk?

ppearse

brian076 wrote: »

I wouldn't get too excited about Tescos opening, unleaded is currently 132.9 in Maynooth compared to 129.9 in Applegreen a couple of miles away in Celbridge. Even Ardiff's in Leixlip which was always one of the dearest in the area are only charging 130.9.

Fully agree with you Brian. Tesco are generally on a par with most other stations according to www.pumps.ie. What is all the fuss about ? People can continue to buy their fuel wherever they wish. Tesco do not force anyone to buy anything from them.

ppearse

Shelflife wrote: »

"What about all those euros that the employees of Tesco spend locally in Kilrush and West Clare ?"


what about the local solicitors, accountants, painters,builders, handy men, suppliers that the local shops used?

What about the millions of euros that will be repatriated back to the uk?

Exactly ! What about them. And your point is ??
This is the big bad world of business we live in.

Your obviously listening to too much Declan Nearney and eating too much Sushi. Come out into the real world.

finbarrk

Another problem for the town will be the fact that consumers will be able to do their shopping and also get their motor fuel without actually stopping in the town at all.
It's just not good news for the town business people.
I have noticed how there are much more free car parking spaces recently anyway in the town,I presume as a result of both big supermarkets on the outskirts.
It's not costing me anything because I'm not involved in anything there but I feel sorry for them after this announcement.

Maggiesims

Sham Squire wrote: »

You obviously haven't thought this through. That's 2 cents PER GALLON. This is rural Ireland were talking about. Everybody has to drive, there's no public transport. That means we spend, on average, 20% more on fuel than our urban cousins who have the option of walking to ameneties or taking public transport. That's 20% + the extra 2 cents per gallon. I'm glad your in the enviable position of not having to worry about 2 cents per gallon. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

I agree with this post. Everyone has to drive in rural ireland so why do we have to pay more. If tesco are the cheapest for petrol/diesel I will be buying there. If local fuel pump stations stop whinging about competition and dropped their prices obviously most people will buy from them. Its an easy solution. Sick of local businesses whinging about losing customers to big superstores. DROP PRICES, WE ARE ALL TRYING TO SURVIVE THIS RECESSION.

mikemac

Compete or die, same for any small business

The local petrol stations can use this as an opportunity to shake up their business.
Expand the shop and offer cheap petrol to get more customers maybe

Sitting back and complaining isn't going to separate you from the crowd.

Sham Squire wrote: »

You obviously haven't thought this through. That's 2 cents PER GALLON. This is rural Ireland were talking about. Everybody has to drive, there's no public transport. That means we spend, on average, 20% more on fuel than our urban cousins who have the option of walking to ameneties or taking public transport. That's 20% + the extra 2 cents per gallon. I'm glad your in the enviable position of not having to worry about 2 cents per gallon. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

We buy fuel by the litre.
If it was 1.32 per gallon then we'd be paying 35 cent per litre

Palmach

ppearse wrote: »

Well lets do the maths. If you take an average car that hold approx. 60 litres of fuel then if for the sake of argument there is a 5 cent per litre difference between two petrol stations that makes a difference of 3 euro between the two stations on a full tank of fuel. Now if you use a tank of fuel per week as I do ( and sometimes more ) , then that equates to 156 euro per year. Maybe 156 euro per year to Palmach might mean nothing but it would tax my car for six months. Maybe Palmach is from Dublin and can hop on the Dart but here in West Clare its either use a car or walk.

I live in West Clare. Unlike you I run a local business. I am arguing with ignorance here and the good old fashioned peasant mentality of "shur tis chayper dare" that is alive and kicking in the West of Ireland. Read two books Shopped and Not On The Label about the wasteland that is the centre of British towns and cities thanks to the likes of Tesco. Then come back to me.

Shelflife

ppearse wrote: »

Exactly ! What about them. And your point is ??
This is the big bad world of business we live in.

You made the point that the employees of tesco would spend their wages locally, i made the point that the local tradesmen/ professionals would have less to spend as their income would drop as the local businesses reduced their spend.

I also made the point that the profits repatriated to the UK will more then out weigh the money they spend in the area.

Therefore tesco will result in less money on the locality then before.

Palmach

Maggiesims wrote: »

I agree with this post. Everyone has to drive in rural ireland so why do we have to pay more. If tesco are the cheapest for petrol/diesel I will be buying there. If local fuel pump stations stop whinging about competition and dropped their prices obviously most people will buy from them. Its an easy solution. Sick of local businesses whinging about losing customers to big superstores. DROP PRICES, WE ARE ALL TRYING TO SURVIVE THIS RECESSION.

What do you do for a living?

Palmach

Shelflife wrote: »

You made the point that the employees of tesco would spend their wages locally, i made the point that the local tradesmen/ professionals would have less to spend as their income would drop as the local businesses reduced their spend.

I also made the point that the profits repatriated to the UK will more then out weigh the money they spend in the area.

Therefore tesco will result in less money on the locality then before.

What you say is true and proven to be so.
http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/good_neighbours_community.pdf

Maggiesims

Palmach wrote: »

I live in West Clare. Unlike you I run a local business. I am arguing with ignorance here and the good old fashioned peasant mentality of "shur tis chayper dare" that is alive and kicking in the West of Ireland. Read two books Shopped and Not On The Label about the wasteland that is the centre of British towns and cities thanks to the likes of Tesco. Then come back to me.

"shur tis chayer dare" : this is not good old fashioned peasant mentality alive and kicking in the west of ireland. It is called "shopping around for the cheapest price"

Shelflife

feelingstressed wrote: »

Compete or die, same for any small business

The local petrol stations can use this as an opportunity to shake up their business.
Expand the shop and offer cheap petrol to get more customers maybe

Sitting back and complaining isn't going to separate you from the crowd.


Not picking a fight , but where are they going to get the money to expand their shops? the banks arent lending money to small businesses and the few that are will not give money to a forecourt that will soon have tesco as their main competitor.

Offer cheap petrol, where will this cheap petrol magically appear from?? retailers only make 4-7 cents a litre and out of that they have to pay their costs, they have no room to drop their prices.

tesco are huge !! they import their own petrol so have no middle man to pay, the small retailer cant do this.

mikemac

I know petrol stations make only a few cent per litre, it's a tough business for sure.

And know it's very difficult for a small business to get a loan.

Look, I don't have all the solutions. All I can say is the petrol station owners better look for a new solution to differentiate themselves from everyone else.
Sitting back and complaining over Tesco won't help, every new difficulty is an opportunity

If they don't have a deli or hot food or wine licence then now is time to get one.
There is more profit in a litre of bottled water then a litre of petrol so get a good store and try to make it work.

Sham Squire

Palmach wrote: »

I live in West Clare. Unlike you I run a local business. I am arguing with ignorance here and the good old fashioned peasant mentality of "shur tis chayper dare" that is alive and kicking in the West of Ireland. Read two books Shopped and Not On The Label about the wasteland that is the centre of British towns and cities thanks to the likes of Tesco. Then come back to me.

You had a go at me for pointing out that we pay above the average for petrol in West Clare, and now you say you run a local business? What sort of local business man belittles peoples concerns over two cents per litre and then bitches and moans when people go elsewhere cause it's cheaper? You make your bed you can lie in it. Either wake up to the fact that every cent counts these days or get another line of work.

Palmach

Sham Squire wrote: »

You had a go at me for pointing out that we pay above the average for petrol in West Clare, and now you say you run a local business? What sort of local business man belittles peoples concerns over two cents per litre and then bitches and moans when people go elsewhere cause it's cheaper? You make your bed you can lie in it. Either wake up to the fact that every cent counts these days or get another line of work.

Like I said in another post read the two books I mnetioned and you'll see that there is more than 2 cents in it. A lot more.

rubberdiddies

ppearse wrote: »

So exactly who are Tesco supposed to have closed down ? Brews perhaps ?? I think Brews problems were happening long before Tesco arrived. Tesco sell mainly grocery goods so I dont think that could have affected Brews. O Rourkes Londis shop maybe ? Well I think O Rourkes was up for sale even before Tesco arrived. So exactly who have Tesco closed ??

tesco was the final nail in the coffin for the business that did close down. Examples of businesses that have closed down recently......
brews
clohessy's
the mace on moore street
nolans (soon to close)

All of these (and more) are businesses that have been in the town for years and years.

Of course people want bargains and will shop where it is cheaper to shop but that doesnt make it good for a community. when large chunks of the town are boarded up over the next few years, as well as there being less money in the town it could lead to antisocial behaviour as boarded up premises tend to attract such behaviour.

In my opinion, and I state its just my opinion, Kilrush will be a lot worse off in 5 years time than it is now. and yes I will attribute that directly to Tesco.

I know (very well) the owners of 2 of the shops that have closed down recently and both stated that Tesco was the final nail in the coffin for them, and if Tesco hadn't opened in Kilrush that they would have struggled on until this recession was over (as they did in the past).

It's all well and good in the short term getting everything cheaper (and I for one am a big fan of cheap), but when you know deep down that its going to have a massive impact on a community then it's heartbreaking.

there's a very good site online that outlines in detail towns in britain where tesco opened and the subsequent closing of large numbers of shops in those towns. Unfortunately I cant find the site but will edit this post and add it once I find it again. Makes for a very interesting read.

As for the petrol pumps, I wouldnt be surprised if 2 very close petrol stations close down within the year once Tesco open theirs. Wheres the competition then?

Someone mentioned that the other shops should just reduce their prices to compete. Impossible. The buying power of an independent retailer just cannot stand up to a multi-multi-multi billion £ company.

rubberdiddies

feelingstressed wrote: »

Compete or die, same for any small business

The local petrol stations can use this as an opportunity to shake up their business.
Expand the shop and offer cheap petrol to get more customers maybe

Sitting back and complaining isn't going to separate you from the crowd.

Unfortunately Tesco operate their petrol stations as a loss leader (ie: to get customers in the door of their supermarkets).

Same goes for their flowers and many other products. small business obviously cant compete with this

Jim Martin

rubberdiddies wrote: »

tesco was the final nail in the coffin for the business that did close down. Examples of businesses that have closed down recently......
brews
clohessy's
the mace on moore street
nolans (soon to close)

All of these (and more) are businesses that have been in the town for years and years.

Of course people want bargains and will shop where it is cheaper to shop but that doesnt make it good for a community. when large chunks of the town are boarded up over the next few years, as well as there being less money in the town it could lead to antisocial behaviour as boarded up premises tend to attract such behaviour.

In my opinion, and I state its just my opinion, Kilrush will be a lot worse off in 5 years time than it is now. and yes I will attribute that directly to Tesco.

I know (very well) the owners of 2 of the shops that have closed down recently and both stated that Tesco was the final nail in the coffin for them, and if Tesco hadn't opened in Kilrush that they would have struggled on until this recession was over (as they did in the past).

It's all well and good in the short term getting everything cheaper (and I for one am a big fan of cheap), but when you know deep down that its going to have a massive impact on a community then it's heartbreaking.

there's a very good site online that outlines in detail towns in britain where tesco opened and the subsequent closing of large numbers of shops in those towns. Unfortunately I cant find the site but will edit this post and add it once I find it again. Makes for a very interesting read.

As for the petrol pumps, I wouldnt be surprised if 2 very close petrol stations close down within the year once Tesco open theirs. Wheres the competition then?

Someone mentioned that the other shops should just reduce their prices to compete. Impossible. The buying power of an independent retailer just cannot stand up to a multi-multi-multi billion £ company.

Good article here which outlines the extent of the problem:

http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/the_tesco_takeover.pdf

littlesthobo

Jim Martin wrote: »

Good article here which outlines the extent of the problem:

http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/the_tesco_takeover.pdf

Good article even if a little out of date.

Thought this was quite relevant to the whole debate

"Tesco claims to create more jobs but the figures do not add up. In 2004, UK small grocery shops had a turnover of around £21 billion and employed more than 500,000 whilst Tesco, with a £29bn turnover, employed just 250,000 people."

So it would seem short term employment, construction etc long term unemployment, job losses, business closures etc...

NewApproach

Sham Squire wrote: »

That means we spend, on average, 20% more on fuel than our urban cousins

Source?

CptSternn

But isn't that a simplified way of looking at the issue? The reality is people in Kilrush and the surrounding areas already travel to places like Ennis where there already is a Tesco and Dunnes to do their weekly shopping as a rule. They only go an pickup bits and bobs from the local markets sure.

If anything putting a Tesco in town merely stops the slow death the local markets were already dying from.

I live in Ennis, and I buy pretty much everything for my house (outside of food and things) online or via Argos. This is a growing trend which isn't going away. It's the same issue and same argument for other shops sure. Local electronic shops can't complete with large retailers. Large retailers are now online. As more people move their shopping online more local shops close. Thats how economy works.

Sham Squire

NewApproach wrote: »

Source?

My bad, it's actually 50% for petrol not 20%.

"Rural households spend almost 50% more per week on petrol than urban ones (€27.67 compared to €20.56) and almost four times as much on diesel."

www.irishrurallink.ie/ and look up the article on Carbon Tax and Rural Ireland.

Shapey Fiend

The problem with Tesco and their ilk is the loss leader stuff is very iffy. If they can wipe out all the competition by selling below cost then they get a monopoly. We've all seen this with Wall Mart in the US. I'm a student in Cork but I still find much better prices (and infinitely better quality) on groceries in the English Market than I do in Tesco.

The most blatent below cost selling they've been doing in the last few years are on games. Fifa/Pro Evo 20XX would sell for 60 euro every Christmas but Tesco started pricing them at 27euro or less. They must have been making a huge loss. Game are now doing very badly, and I'd say Gamestop aren't that healthy either. When those two chains go to the wall they'll up the prices to original levels and I'll have no choice about what to buy other than the top 10. (I know it's all going digital distribution eventually anyway but you get the idea.. same thing with Virgin/Zavvi/RecordRack etc.)

CptSternn

But sure, thats capitalism.

The ultimate outcome of capitalism is the second richest man dies of starvation.

Businesses have responsibilities to shareholders, not the public. They make a profit. If they don't, the top brass are sacked and someone willing to bring in more cut throat tactics is put in place.

Ireland for sometime has been like many parts of Europe - immune to this as companies didn't see a large enough bottom line.

These days every 8 year old has a mobile, and every home has an Xbox or PS3, thanks to the, now dead, Celtic Tiger.

Eitherway the quality of life has imporved dramatically compared to what people lived like even in the 80's around the country. Businesses know this and are here to cater to the WANTS and not just the NEEDS.

Asda (aka Wal-mart) will be coming here soon and setting up shop. Wait till that happens sure.

Ever see that episode of South Park about Wal-mart? Its funny, sad, and very true.

thomas353

i think tesco kilrush should be more concerned about how they treat there customers IN the store, everytime i go there just because i have a basket and not a trolley they drag me over to the self service scanners!!!! its not that i cannot use them its the fact that i have spent an hour walking around there poorly designed aisles trying to find my good!!!!!! why the hell should i be expected to scan and bag my own produce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

ppearse

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thomas353 wrote: »

i think tesco kilrush should be more concerned about how they treat there customers IN the store, everytime i go there just because i have a basket and not a trolley they drag me over to the self service scanners!!!! its not that i cannot use them its the fact that i have spent an hour walking around there poorly designed aisles trying to find my good!!!!!! why the hell should i be expected to scan and bag my own produce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

You could of course be more assertive and say " no thanks , Id rather use the manned checkout" They are only trying to be helpful and prevent queues from forming.

Regarding the layout of the aisles , they do have big signs over each aisle clearly showing whats in the aisle.

And failing all that , you can always shop elswhere as is your right.

thomas353

i have mentioned that i was happy to wait and be served at the tills that are manned, the lady explained to me the same reason as you just did, that there there to stop queues, she then explained that some customers are to lazy to use them, who do you think she was refering to when she said that, the queues lose them business, thats it! they have no concern for the customers as long as they pay and are quick about it, and the signs are no help, get a reasonable comment to place and dont be so pedantic...... dictionary.com if you need help there,

thomas353

And while im on the subject of poorly designed aisles, why is the toilet roll on the same aisle as the cereal? the last person to comment must think this is an ingenious thought of fibre equals bowel movement which in turn gives an overall figure of toilet paper..... very appealing.

ppearse

thomas353 wrote: »

i have mentioned that i was happy to wait and be served at the tills that are manned, the lady explained to me the same reason as you just did, that there there to stop queues, she then explained that some customers are to lazy to use them, who do you think she was refering to when she said that, the queues lose them business, thats it! they have no concern for the customers as long as they pay and are quick about it, and the signs are no help, get a reasonable comment to place and dont be so pedantic...... dictionary.com if you need help there,

I dont need to look up dictonary.com to find out what pedantic means unlike yourself who needs the help of a dictonary.

And as said before . Go elsewhere.

thomas353

ppearse wrote: »

I dont need to look up dictonary.com to find out what pedantic means unlike yourself who needs the help of a dictonary.

And as said before . Go elsewhere.

CAN YOU READ AGAIN WHAT YOU WROTE? LOL, ITS A SCHOOL NIGHT YA KNOW.

ppearse

thomas353 wrote: »

CAN YOU READ AGAIN WHAT YOU WROTE? LOL, ITS A SCHOOL NIGHT YA KNOW.

Perhaps you are referring to a couple of typing errors in my spelling ??
Well perhaps you might have a read of your original post !!

And since when is "you" spelt YA. You need to look up that dictionary.com again. :D:D:D:D:D