Googles new jobs...

smurf2010

Hi there,

I know there is a thread on this already, but I was wondering where these new jobs are/will bw advertised... What areas of work are they in etc... I thought I heard they were positions in mapping but there doesn't seem to be anything posted on google.ie/jobs in relation to mapping etc... any tips/advice??

Plebs

You need to be an open-minded, liberal, smart-phone-loving geek who'll swallow Google corporate culture hook line and sinker. They're good at weeding out people with their multi-stage recruitment process so as to maintain the well-cultivated, homogenised Googlian race.

smurf2010

Thanks for that bitter reply.... anyone else???:rolleyes:

mikemac

I don't know what mapping is, must be some IT term

http://www.google.ie/intl/en/jobs/dublin/
Anyway, there are absolutely loads of jobs advertised in all sorts of different areas

piby

I can't be much help myself but a mate of mine is already through to the second round of interviews so maybe you've missed the boat on this one?!! That said they're such a big company that I think they have ongoing, or at least multiple times a year, recruitment. I was thinking about a applying for a job there a while back and I remember that I had to go through their website to apply. So check there for starts and if I bump into my friend I'll ask him sure.

TDOie

Google recruits talent where ever and whenever they can find it. They don't have a set recruiting time. http://www.google.ie/intl/en/jobs/ I wouldn't wait for the East Point jobs, I'd apply now.

Raekwon

It's a very multicultural company and you either need to be excellent at what you do and/or speak a foreign language to get a job in Google. It seems to be a more "what you know" then a "who you know" sort of company that were actually quite rare in Ireland up until a few years ago.

Magenta

feelingstressed wrote: »

I don't know what mapping is, must be some IT term

Making maps. You know, those things that people use when going places.

smurf2010

Magenta wrote: »

Making maps. You know, those things that people use when going places.

Cuddlesworth

Hmmm, they have a job open in my field.

listermint

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Hmmm, they have a job open in my field.

Your a farmer?

didnt think they were looking for scare-crows.

Brendog

Plebs wrote: »

You need to be an open-minded, liberal, smart-phone-loving geek who'll swallow Google corporate culture hook line and sinker. They're good at weeding out people with their multi-stage recruitment process so as to maintain the well-cultivated, homogenised Googlian race.

they fired you didn't they....

Cuddlesworth

Brendog wrote: »

they fired you didn't they....

Lol, probably. Although their actual work practices kinda burn you out long term. You really need to treat a google job as a 3-5 year job.

I liaise with Google on a daily basis as part of my job and have been down to their premises on numerous occasions; from speaking to people who work there, it's definitely a short term job and not for everyone. If you're super competitive 24/7 and a workaholic, then you'll do exceptionally well there.

Where do you move to after working for Google for 2/3 years? Currently, the answer is Facebook.

yuloni

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markpb

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I guess with the amount of applicants they get for each position, they have to do limit it somehow.

Condi

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They generally look for people who do have a strong academic track record which in the current era means a 2.1 degree and a masters. If you're a graduate, I believe you'll find it difficult to get a job in Google without a strong masters. However, if you have experience and are good at your job, you'll be in with a strong shout. It's just like any other interview, sometimes they like you, sometimes they won't.

yuloni

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Condi

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You'd think with the poxy beanbags around the place that they'd offer internships etc but unfortunately they don't.

Bluetonic

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Correct, but the chances are the person who spent 5 years in university and focused on a particular subject area will have far superior knowledge in the area Google are looking for than the person who has not.

Smartness and knowledge are two different things.

Wild Rover

anyone know does google use agencies for their recruitment? i want to find out more about the job specs...

markpb

Wild Rover wrote: »

anyone know does google use agencies for their recruitment? i want to find out more about the job specs...

To all recruitment agencies: Google does not accept agency CVs. Please do not forward CVs to our jobs alias, Google employees or any other company location. Google is not responsible for any fees related to unsolicited CVs.

Google.ie

Cuddlesworth

Bluetonic wrote: »

Correct, but the chances are the person who spent 5 years in university and focused on a particular subject area will have far superior knowledge in the area Google are looking for than the person who has not.

Smartness and knowledge are two different things.

Depends on the field. In mine it doesn't make a difference.

Condi

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Well, why would anyone do a degree, then? I most definitely wouldn't have spent 5 years working my ass off in college, eating baked beans most nights, if I thought someone who hadn't done a degree could come along and get the jobs I want. It's not about being 'smart', it's about some people spending time and money to gain the qualifications they need for their chosen careers. I think it's unfair of people who chose not to go to university to complain that they don't have the exact same options as those who did. You can't have it both ways.

Eoin

Lachlan CoolS Swan wrote:

Well, why would anyone do a degree, then?

In some professions they're a necessity, in other professions they're not. In IT, real world experience is often more valuable than a degree.

eoin

eoin wrote: »

In some professions they're a necessity, in other professions they're not. In IT, real world experience is often more valuable than a degree.

Lots of companies require degrees for any type of work. All the ones I recently applied for require at least an undergraduate degree, along with internships and work experience.

Eoin

Lachlan CoolS Swan wrote: »

Lots of companies require degrees for any type of work. All the ones I recently applied for require at least an undergraduate degree, along with internships and work experience.

That's often standard HR stuff they put in. It's not been a barrier for me at all. I've applied to, and been offered jobs that specify a degree. Again, that's just been in IT. I'm sure other industries are different.

eoin

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That's often standard HR stuff they put in. It's not been a barrier for me at all. I've applied to, and been offered jobs that specify a degree. Again, that's just been in IT. I'm sure other industries are different.

I don't doubt that, I just don't think it's fair that when companies do require a degree, people complain about it. They made their decision not to go to university, so why expect it never to be an issue? I sacrificed a lot to go to college so I would be eligible for certain jobs. I knew that if I chose to work and earn money, I'd be excluding myself from quite a few positions. If I thought I could just apply for any job I wanted, I wouldn't have bothered with all the study.

Eoin

Lachlan CoolS Swan wrote:

If I thought I could just apply for any job I wanted, I wouldn't have bothered with all the study.

But the person without the degree couldn't just apply for any job they want - they'll have had to build up the experience.

eoin

eoin wrote: »

But the person without the degree couldn't just apply for any job they want - they'll have had to build up the experience.

That's not the point though. They don't have the degree. Experience doesn't and shouldn't just replace degrees. If people opted to stay out of third level education and earn money, fair play to them. But it's not fair to complain now that some jobs require the third level education. A lot of my friends chose to start working at 18 and said I was nuts for going to college because they had the nice car and the annual holiday and endless drinking money, while I was always broke and studying or working part time. Now that all the study is finally paying off, they're all saying how unfair it is that they can't apply for the things I'm applying for because they don't have degrees. Well, tough luck. They were happy with their decision when they were the ones with more money and better lives and I resent them implying that they deserve these jobs as much as I do. They don't. They're not qualified for them.

Eoin

Lachlan CoolS Swan wrote:

That's not the point though. They don't have the degree. Experience doesn't and shouldn't just replace degrees.

It is the point. Experience is often more valuable than a degree in IT. A person with 4 years experience will be often be more useful to the company than someone with no experience and a degree.

Lachlan CoolS Swan wrote:

They're not qualified for them.

They don't have a formal qualification for the job. But they might well be more than suitable for the job because of their experience. This doesn't even take into account any certifications that they might have achieved while working.

Plebs

eoin wrote: »

It is the point. Experience is often more valuable than a degree in IT. A person with 4 years experience will be often be more useful to the company than someone with no experience and a degree.



They don't have a formal qualification for the job. But they might well be more than suitable for the job because of their experience. This doesn't even take into account any certifications that they might have achieved while working.

A qualification is one thing, an education is quite another.

So what if you have a Unix geek in the basement when he smells, is bad with customers and writes emails/reports like he writes Perl scripts. You're right though, useful idiots have their plus-points and you can often get away with paying them less than the more assertive members of your organisation.

eoin

eoin wrote: »

It is the point. Experience is often more valuable than a degree in IT. A person with 4 years experience will be often be more useful to the company than someone with no experience and a degree.

I'm talking more generally, as Google isn't just IT, but employers ask for degrees for a reason. If they wanted just experience, they'd ask for that.

They don't have a formal qualification for the job. But they might well be more than suitable for the job because of their experience. This doesn't even take into account any certifications that they might have achieved while working.

I just don't get the constant dismissal of qualifications in Ireland. Why do you think people bother to do degrees, if it would be just as easy to get a job without them? Having a degree in something generally demonstrates a level of competence (it does depend on the degree) as well as motivation, perseverance and all that jazz. It's not as if college is 4 years of fun and games.

Plebs

Lachlan CoolS Swan wrote: »

I just don't get the constant dismissal of qualifications in Ireland. Why do you think people bother to do degrees, if it would be just as easy to get a job without them?

The egalitarian mindset prevalent in modern society is certainly a factor.

Eoin

Lachlan CoolS Swan wrote: »

I'm talking more generally, as Google isn't just IT, but employers ask for degrees for a reason. If they wanted just experience, they'd ask for that.

Which is why I qualified (no pun intended) nearly every one of my posts by saying "in IT". And as I've said, they often put down a degree in the job spec, but in reality, applicable experience is fine instead.

I'm absolutely certain that there are many industries where you absolutely need a qualification. But in my experience, IT isn't necessarily one of those. In certain jobs within IT, it is the case - it's a hugely varied industry.

Lachlan CoolS Swan wrote: »

I just don't get the constant dismissal of qualifications in Ireland. Why do you think people bother to do degrees, if it would be just as easy to get a job without them? Having a degree in something generally demonstrates a level of competence (it does depend on the degree) as well as motivation, perseverance and all that jazz. It's not as if college is 4 years of fun and games.

I'm not dismissing qualifications; you're dismissing relevant experience. I'm not saying it's as easy to get a job without a degree - I am saying that instead of doing a degree, many people work their way up and gain valuable experience.

I appreciate that doing a degree is by no means easy, but at the same time you shouldn't write off the skills that you learn in a working environment as well.

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So what if you have a Unix geek in the basement when he smells, is bad with customers and writes emails/reports like he writes Perl scripts. You're right though, useful idiots have their plus-points and you can often get away with paying them less than the more assertive members of your organisation.

You're just spouting absolute nonsense.

eoin

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I'm not dismissing qualifications; you're dismissing relevant experience. I'm not saying it's as easy to get a job without a degree - I am saying that instead of doing a degree, many people work their way up and gain valuable experience.

I appreciate that doing a degree is by no means easy, but at the same time you shouldn't write off the skills that you learn in a working environment as well.

I'm not dismissing experience. I'm saying there are plenty of jobs, especially in Ireland, where experience and connections are fine. Some jobs, including those with Google are graduate jobs. If they ask for degrees, I don't see what's unfair about that.

leinsterrugby

i heard the people who work in google are absolute weirdos is there any truth to this?

Plebs

leinsterrugby wrote: »

i heard the people who work in google are absolute weirdos is there any truth to this?

I know an Emo girl who works there. She has to tone down the ripped tights and white make-up when going in in the mornings.

yuloni

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Plebs

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You're looking at things from an individual perspective. I have no doubt that there are some exceptional individuals out there.

Companies however look at prospective employees in a general sense. Taking on a new employee is a big risk. So why take the risk of employing someone without a formal qualification? Big corporations are experts at minimising risk, wether it's a server crashing, getting sued by a customer or hiring a dud.

World-class talent is easily spotted and would probably go straight to San Jose. For a corporate back-office/tax haven, steady loyal reliables who love their company are what's needed.

yuloni

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Condi

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Why do you think I'm 'enraged'? I simply said I didn't see what was unfair about certain jobs asking for degrees. Most people do degrees so they'll have a wider choice of jobs, not solely because they love studying. Some people don't see the point in third level education and choose to go straight into working. Both are valid options. I just don't think it's fair to complain that it's 'not fair' when you've made your choice. Plenty of graduates are ruled out of jobs because they haven't had the chance to build up a few years of experience. It evens out, IMO.

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That's your opinion, but the fact is, a lot of companies do ask for degrees.

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I really have no idea where you see this 'rage' or 'self pity'. Why does disagreeing with someone mean you're all riled up? I've been in a zen-like state all day from not sleeping. I certainly don't have self pity. I do know that I've worked very hard and I made my choice so that I'd have a wider range of jobs, so I don't think it's fair for someone who made a different choice to complain that they don't have access to those jobs. I didn't say you thought this about the money etc, but I have a lot of friends who do. And there's nothing wrong with wanting a good salary at a young age. It's just not fair to turn around and complain about graduate jobs. It's really irrelevant whether you think degrees are worth more than experience or vice versa, that's the way it is. I mean, look at English teaching. You could teach for 20 years and be the best teacher in the world, but a lot of schools won't even look at you if you haven't done the CELTA certificate. Pretending that qualifications aren't important is just crazy. It's always been the case in Ireland that experience trumps degrees, but it's not like that elsewhere. Plenty of my friends on the continent walked out of college into well paid management positions. It really doesn't surprise me that Google aren't like the typical Irish employer.

yuloni

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Condi

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:rolleyes:

Yes.

ToasterSparks

I was going to contribute to the 'discussion' and I'd written a long post, but then I realised that it would be dissected and criticised until I was beaten into submission.


On topic: Can anyone tell us what working in Google is really like? Or tips for the application process and what they look for? Is it truly a fun place to work, or does the novelty of hammocks and beanbags wear off after a few weeks when you actually have to knuckle down to work?

ToasterSparks

ToasterSparks wrote: »

I was going to contribute to the 'discussion' and I'd written a long post, but then I realised that it would be dissected and criticised until I was beaten into submission.


On topic: Can anyone tell us what working in Google is really like? Or tips for the application process and what they look for? Is it truly a fun place to work, or does the novelty of hammocks and beanbags wear off after a few weeks when you actually have to knuckle down to work?

Whoever said the employees were weird wasn't far wrong. It's hard work. They expect a lot. What they look for depends on the role. They do many, many rounds of interviews for each position.

Plebs

You gotta admire Google all the same. It's hard to comprehend starting a business that would be the size of Google by 2020. Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page managed to do it though! This was at a time when Microsoft ruled the world and the 2001 crash was just around the corner.

gollem_1975

Condi wrote: »

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Google is not just looking for work ethic alone - judging by their interview questions they want someone who is creative, thinks out of the box, will suit the corporate culture etc. ( its quite apt that sample Google interview questions can be "Googled").

Condi wrote:

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well judging by whats happened with Quinn in recent years..thats a matter of opinion.

A Primal Nut

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Its very hard to tell in an interview process how hard working someone really is. A degree is an indication that they have the drive to succeed.

A degree can also give some useful skills such as programming.

A Primal Nut

ToasterSparks wrote: »

I was going to contribute to the 'discussion' and I'd written a long post, but then I realised that it would be dissected and criticised until I was beaten into submission.


On topic: Can anyone tell us what working in Google is really like? Or tips for the application process and what they look for? Is it truly a fun place to work, or does the novelty of hammocks and beanbags wear off after a few weeks when you actually have to knuckle down to work?

Think about it....do you really expect to go in 9-5 and lie in a hammock all day? You can do what you want during lunch obviously but apart from that its just a normal place to work.

ToasterSparks

A Primal Nut wrote:

Think about it....do you really expect to go in 9-5 and lie in a hammock all day?

Uhm, no, of course not. It's called 'work' for a reason. What I meant was, once you get past the gimmicks that attract people in the first place, what is it like to work there?

A Primal Nut wrote:

You can do what you want during lunch obviously but apart from that its just a normal place to work.

That's what I wanted to know. But maybe just a little more detail on what the culture is like? Honestly, people on here are ready to rip you to shreds for asking a simple question. :rolleyes: