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U2 to play down under
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22-08-2010 12:58am#1
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And I don't understand all this mis-placed pride in a band because of where they come from...the way I see it, the only positive thing U2 have going for them is the fact they are Irish - Musically, I can't stand them and that wouldn't change whether they came from Dublin or Dubai - I don't generally judge a band on where they come from -
You have to love the Irish, as soon as you don't like anything mainstream Irish and the begrudgery card is thrown out...so what call all the other people in the world who hate U2 and think Bono is a f*cking idiot? Can't play the Irish Bregrudger card there...
Most of the rest of the world don't really have a strong opinion on Bono and U2 (a few million Africans might be glad of their presence for obvious reasons). They either like them or they don't but I can guarantee you that they wont posting on Internet forums spouting off their hatred of them unlike many Irish people who find it almost a daily compulsion. U2 are like an itch we just love to collectively scratch!
Just do a search here on boards.ie for many of these threads. Hating U2 and Bono is almost "cool". That said I am not the type of person to have a circle jerk about them either.
I remember an incident when I was in Christchurch of all places. U2 were kicking off their 360 tour and were on the David Letterman show. I was watching it with my flatmates. One Turkish the other Japanese. Before you ask we were watching David Letterman and U2 happened to be on. I got asked a question that made me feel a little uncomfortable. Was I proud of them?
I was like 'em, eh... I don't know.....'
The other two looking at me confused told me that if they were from their country they would be very proud of them. They were very successful and have done very well from themselves so why not be proud of them. In fact the Japanese guy told me he wished they were Japanese! So why was I so uncomfortable?
It was then it hit me. I was your typical Irishman. Uncomfortable with other peoples success especially when they were of my own nationality. Better to keep your head down, say nothing, pretend your average and for god sake don't rock the boat. It was a big wake up call for me actually on a personal level in term of my own identity in the world. You can be dammed sure that if U2 were from Croatia or Poland you would not have the same hatred directed at them from their own country men as we do. Oh such an Irish thing to hate ourselves isn't it? We have been doing it for centuries so why stop now.
I am sure you of all people will understand the fact that when you go home for a visit you actually cant say how good this side of the world is because you are "boasting" "the big shot coming home" "show off" "bull $hiter" etc. You go home saying OZ or NZ is going "grand" and leave it at that in case you hurt someones feeling or sensibilities knowing deep down how much you love it and how lucky you really are. Life can be very good! But enough of that.
We Irish are very VERY insecure and lack self confidence collectively as a people. Why do we drink so much and sing all those oh so very sad songs about wars, emigration and years gone by. To make ourselves feel worse! And we love it!
I think Bono (who else eh
) said it best when he said this.An American will look up at somebody living in a big house on a hill and say, "Someday, I'm going to be like him". An Irishman will look up at the big house and say, "Someday, I'm going to get that fecker!"
So yea, in essence it is the old Irish disease raising is ugly head in this forum. What surprised me is that its this forum not in a forum say like After Hours, these comments are expected there but in a forum dominated by ex-pat Irish who should be some of the best, brightest, most confident posters of boards.ie. To be honest I am disappointed and it makes me a little sad.0 -
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Ah but see thats not what you said. You said they were pricks, you didnt say their music was $hite which is a totally different arugment.
Bono IS a prick. Even U2 fans can see that.Are they pricks because their music is $hite? Well thats a lame argument cause even a 3 year old could dismantle it.
I may not like Celine Dion or Michael Buble's music but I wont be calling her a bitch or him a prick because of that.
Being a prick has nothing to do with the music and all to do with the self indulgence and arrogance.Its a favourite pastime of ours to give out about U2. We did it with every other high profile Irish musican, dont see why it wont stop now. I really dont care for U2 at all but I just find all this pseudo-hatred of them to be nothing more than begrudery because if they were sitting at home doing nothing for the last 20 years people would still give out, such is our way.
Case in point, the rolling stones have been old and past it for 20 years.
Not at all. If U2 retired it'd just be awesome. I don't begrudge them succes, fair play for lasting so long. They have become very much a bunch of spoofers in musical terms though and that's the annoying part.
I hate the Stones' recent music as well.Also 1991? have you listened to POP and Zoopara?
Yes. Pop is one of the worst albums of the 90s.
I noticed you didn't defend anything from the 2000s
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I noticed you didn't defend anything from the 2000s
I really like the 2000's
All That You Can't Leave Behind & How to dismantle .... had some cracking tunes
Vertigo is a great 'gym' song, they play it in my spin class, and it is a great song Beautiful Day is good.
I think Pop is one of their worst albums, truly crap.0 -
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Bono IS a prick. Even U2 fans can see that.
LOL. The the joke is on you mate as you dont have a clue about U2 with that comment!Being a prick has nothing to do with the music and all to do with the self indulgence and arrogance..
Oh please do explain further. A rockstar that likes to promote himself? Jeez how dare he!:eek:Not at all. If U2 retired it'd just be awesome. I don't begrudge them succes, fair play for lasting so long. They have become very much a bunch of spoofers in musical terms though and that's the annoying part.
I hate the Stones' recent music as well.;)
Ah so they are spoofing their way to success? LOL. They are in the middle of what will become the most successful tour of any band in HISTORY and they are spoofers and then you dont call yourself a begruder..... wow!
Do you ever hear the Brits say the same about the stones. Hell no they dont, and their 20 years older FFS!!Yes. Pop is one of the worst albums of the 90s.
I noticed you didn't defend anything from the 2000s
Fair enough, you didn't like it but I thought it was one of their best albums, much better than elevation. Then again I like dance music.
The problem with Pop is that is was too ahead of its time for the mainstream American audience. In Europe, however it was received quite well. Listen to it again and it will be still fresh and have not aged at all. If it were released today it would be recevied very differently due to the bastardisation of every possible genre to make pop music. Katty Perry and Snoop dog doing a single says it all I am afraid.0 -
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Guys you all do realize that no one is going to make you go see them so I don’t really see the point of the argument.
I enjoyed the last time I got to see them and am sure I will again. If you don’t like them fine it won’t stop me having a good time.
I can’t really understand why some people are posting in the tread just to let us know that they don’t like them.
ah I never said I wouldnt go see them - will be in Auckland that weekend anyway and for $40 for a day out - sure why not I wouldnt begrudge them the price of a ticket 
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It's hardly a revolutionary suggestion to state he is a prick. It's a commonly held Irish opinion.
Fixed that for you.It may be wrong as I don't know the guy personally, but neither do you to discredit that particular opinion.
Thats a great attitude to have isn't it? The whole world are pricks because I don't know them and you cant say otherwise cause you don't know them either. What a dark and negative view to have of people.I've no problem with self promotion when it's done openly. Masquarading oneself as the saviour as a front is slightly different to that.
LOL, again LOL. Self promotion is OK but just don't go against the grain. You are just proving everything I said in an earlier post about the Irish attitude to success.Again, just because you criticise them doesn't make you a begrudger. I think you need to try distinguish the difference.
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The difference is right here in this thread. There wasn't criticism at the beginning of their music just down right annoyance that they are even touring this side of the world and basicly would they ever piss off. U2 are big, in your face and a world success. Some Irish people hate them for it.
THAT is begrudery.
Do you deny that Irish people in general have a problem with begrudery? A wise woman always used to tell me that we had no need for anyone else to put us down as we do the best job of that ourselves. All you have to do is look at our history of Irish arts. From Yeats to Joyce to Phil Lynott to the Cranberries to Sinead O'Connor everyone of them suffered from huge criticism from those at home. Of course when these same people die or dissappear of the scene they are revered.They are spoofing their way at the moment. The music of the 2000s has been piss weak but because they released some quality stuff 20/25 years ago folk will blindly buy into the new offering..
Seriously, you need to actually know what you are talking about as you don't have a clue. Look at the set list from the 360 tour. How many songs are from the 2000's? About half, while the other half is taken up with their best of rest.
The 3 million people who so far have attended this tour want to hear the old hits and see the show as a spectacle. They are not too bothered about their recent stuff. Nobody is fawning or pretending to fawn over their new stuff. They haven't won awards or Grammies for their new stuff, it hasn't sold particularly well but people want to see them live to hear their old stuff, much like The Police, Oasis, The Stones, AC/DC, any old band really.
Again, I use the stones as an example. Their recent stuff hasn't been great but that doesn't mean they put on a class show where they bang out their old tunes with the vigor of old. I suppose they are spoofers too, right?
Reminds me of a story.
When I was 11 playing for a local soccer team we had a guy from the senior squad help us out with training. He was showing us how to track the ball sideways with our studs. He said "If you want to learn off the best, look at Giggs' at how he does it." Some guy next to me (probably a Liverpool supporter) immediately quipped. "Giggs is a fool". The trainer stopped, looked at him in the eyes and said with a calmness and seriousness "If he is a fool, I would love to be one!"
Some people love to hate.If U2 released an 11 track album of Bono making noises while taking a dump people would buy it. Doesn't mean it's any good though.).
I suppose you never heard of Brian Eno and the passangers? Course you didnt!:rolleyes:
Meh, wasn't their best but wasn't their worst that was to be their next album.It possibly was better than Elevation but then again, Elevation was horrific in its own right.It was received quite well because it was U2, not because it was good (imo of course).
Again you don't have a clue what you are on about. Your some bull$hitter Xavi and you know it LOL! Google some reviews, ALOT of music critics were disappointed with it especially in the states. NY Times slated it for example and their POP Mart tour in the US wasn't sold out which was unheard of for U2. Because of this they took a much more softly softly approach to their elevation album. 0 -
Man - you have got some serious hardon for begrudgery....seems like you've been waiting to get that rant out for a while
by the way you are deluded if you think Irish people are the only ones who can't stand U2 - i have met alot of people who despise them with a passion that surpasses my own and none of those people were Irish - you should try to meet people from a more culturally diverse background...and how you determined (rather stated your opinion as fact) that
ill never know - its rare to find somone who neither loves them nor hates them...kind of like vegemite they dont instill apathyMost of the rest of the world don't really have a strong opinion on Bono and U2
I also think you should look up begrudgery - just because you can't stand someone and think they are annoying as f*ck doesnt imply you give a f*ck about what they have or where they are in life...only someone with serious confidence issues with make that logical jump as some sort of defence mechanism..
And in case you missed my link earlier - (see below) Now tell me this is due to Irish Begrudgery...
It may be a bit dated but still as relevant as ever
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worstThe eleven worst songs of 2004.
Narrowing down the worst songs of 2004 to a mere eleven was possibly the hardest thing I've ever done. What, with Jessica Simpson's "ReJoyce" Christmas-exploitation album, Lindsay Lohan's aural holocaust, "Speak," and Celine Dion's pretentious bull**** "Miracle," and by the way, I didn't think it was possible for me to hate Celine Dion anymore than I already did until I saw the cover of her newest album and accompanying calendar for the modern "grrrl power" super-bitch who finds solace in Dion's brash self-righteous smuggery. Alas, I used some restraint and narrowed the list down to eleven. Here they are:
1. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - Vertigo
The only thing worse than U2 is a snobby U2 fan. They think they're so hip now that U2 has their own iPod commercial. Wow, you're on an iPod commercial?
Other than the ****ty song (which I'll get to shortly), the U2 Vertigo commercial uses the same black silhouette style as every other iPod commercial with one exception: Bono's face (the lead singer) is visible along with the rest of the band. Every iPod commercial was the same until U2 came along and took a **** on convention.
As sanctimonious as U2 tries to be, the reason their faces are lit during the commercial isn't because they're larger-than-life rock stars, but rather, because they're not. When was the last time U2 had a hit? Or a flop? Or anything for that matter? Their last major release was in 2000, an album which was so inconsequential that merely labeling it as such bumps it into a lesser category of sucktitude (but just barely, so eat ****). If their faces weren't lit up, nobody would know who they were except for the most diehard U2 fans, and nobody cares what they think.
As for the "Vertigo" song itself, it's a mix of twangy guitars, unnecessary spanish, and Bono's stupid glasses. By the way, just because a singer wears stupid goggles doesn't mean that they're suddenly cool or hip. Oooh look! Bono the rock star is wearing redneck Nascar goggles, let's all fellate him for being so rebellious; take that Hollywood! They're still the same goggles that dumbass Nascar fans wear to every boring Nascar "event." Man I hate Nascar. And while I'm at it, here's a quick open letter to the NASCAR community: quit writing poems about Dale Earnhardt. Nobody cares. And no, it wasn't NASCAR's fault for not making the tracks wide enough. Nobody would watch NASCAR if it weren't for the wrecks because it's BORING. You love the wrecks because it gives you people something to talk about in your boring lives; don't get all teary eyed when one of your redneck heroes bites it, you hypocritical turds. The wall won, get over it.
Anyway, back to Vertigo: this song sucks so much because of the unique tag-team trio of ****ty music, the forced chic of iPod ads, and its stupid fan base. I looked around on some U2 message boards to see what the fans were saying about this song and its turgid lyrics, here's what fan member "Bob" has to say:
Vertigo actually has some seriously heavy lyric - but I bet most of mainstream radio listeners will never know what they mean - I love that! It makes me feel priviledged [sic] to know what the man has to say - there are so many invaluable messages in their albums, certainly this one will be another thought provoking and life influencing scripture.
Here's a sample of the "seriously heavy lyrics" in Vertigo:
WoooAoo! WoooAoo! WoooAoo! WoooAoo! Click here to listen (49k mp3):
And who could forget this poignant verse:
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah,
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Click here to listen (96k mp3):
Yeah, real heavy lyrics, dip****. When Bono's not mumbling like an idiot, he's trying to be emotional by flailing his arms in the air like he's so overcome that he can't help but bellow out a limp-dick line like "I can feeeeEEEEEEeeeeeel." Pussy.
2. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - Miracle Drug
Coming in at #2 is "Miracle Drug" from the same album. When this album first came out, people wouldn't shut up about the hype that "U2 has made a triumphant return to its rock and roll roots." Triumphant? What exactly has U2 "triumphed" over? The only thing triumphant about U2 is their uncanny ability to produce the same cookie cutter sound that's slowly crippling originality and innovation on airwaves around the world. Congratulations you hacks, you've made FM radio unlistenable.
Bono is 44. He's too old to "rock." I know people have been saying the same thing about Rolling Stones for years now, and every time the Rolling Stones go on tour, they prove their critics right. Give it a rest. I don't even blame U2 for this, it's you stupid fans. Maybe they'll stop annoying us with obnoxious commercials if you morons would stop lapping this **** up like anti-freeze at a petting zoo.
Yet another fan on a message board had this to say about "Miracle Drug:"
I think that Bono turns pop culture upside down with the line "I've had enough of romantic love."
Wow, how profound. Look out pop-culture! Bono has had enough of "romantic love." Here comes Bono and his idiotic fans to make ambiguous jabs at you.
3. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
zzZZZZZzz.... YAWN. So let me get this straight: U2's "triumphant return to its rock and roll roots" includes a teary song about his dad's struggle with cancer? Rock on you frauds.
4. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - Love And Peace Or Else
If there was a list of things a pacifist should never say, "or else" would probably top it. Everything about this song is stupid. Love and peace or else? Or else what, you pussies? What are you going to do about it? Sing another crybaby song for your crybaby fans? Tough **** bitches, war kicks ass.
Can't you hippies just piss off and surrender somewhere quietly for once without singing a song about it?
5. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - City of Blinding Lights
New age mystic bull****.
6. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - All Because Of You
This is the one song on the album that U2's arrogant fans can't come to a consensus about. Some believe it's a song about life, some death, and others God. One thing I think everyone can agree on is: nobody cares.
7. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - A Man And A Woman
Great song, if you ignore the ho-hum music and the fact that "romance" doesn't rhyme with "distance." This song exemplifies the reason I hate songs with lyrics. Listen you dolts: if a song has a "message," then it probably doesn't matter because more often than not, song writers compromise their message for the sake of making a song that sounds good, or they compromise the music for the sake of pushing their shallow agenda. Maybe U2 wouldn't suck so hard if they stopped preaching and started rocking instead. Of course, that's difficult to do with Pantera holding a near monopoly on all things that rock.
8. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - Crumbs From Your Table
This song is about how America and its wealthiest people don't do enough to help solve world hunger. The title suggests that crumbs from our table could help starving people in Africa. Bono indicts America for being hypocritical with these lines:
Would you deny for others
What you demand for yourself?
Bono could not be reached for comment as he was stepping off his private jet and into his limousine.
9. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - One Step Closer
This sounds like the soundtrack of a coma.
10. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - Original Of The Species
This song was supposedly written about the daughter of guitarist "The Edge." Yeah, that's his nickname: The Edge. I used to think names like "The Edge" or "Spike" were cool, but then I turned 12.
The only way I could ever respect him is if he shouted some stupid catch phrase before every concert like "WATCH OUT! THE EDGE WILL CUT YOU!" That might almost be stupid enough to be cool again with the dumbass hipster crowd, until the next stupid trend shows up at Hot Topic for you to oversaturate and ruin.
11. How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2 - Yahweh
This quote epitomizes U2's pious, holier-than-thou attitude:
"I don't know why, but we always had this belief that there was something sacred about our music, that it was almost holy."
-Bono, pompous asshole and lead singer of U2
Cocky, high-handed, imperial assholes.0 -
Man - you have got some serious hardon for begrudgery....seems like you've been waiting to get that rant out for a while
by the way you are deluded if you think Irish people are the only ones who can't stand U2 - i have met alot of people who despise them with a passion that surpasses my own and none of those people were Irish - you should try to meet people from a more culturally diverse background and how you determined that [QOUTE]Most of the rest of the world don't really have a strong opinion on Bono and U2[/QOUTE] ill never know - its rare to find somone who neither loves them or hates them...kind of like vegemite
I also think you should look up begrudgery - just because you can't stand someone and think they are annoying as f*ck doesnt imply you give a f*ck about what they have or where they are in life...only someone with serious confidence issues with make that logical jump as some sort of defence mechanism..
And in case you missed my link earlier - (see below) Now tell me this is due to Irish Begrudgery...
It may be a bit dated but still as relevant as ever
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst
Yes, yes yes I get it. You dont like U2. Well done! Do you want a prize?
I made my initial comment because it was true. Criticizing a bands music ability is very different to critising a band for.... being I dont know... around you? The comments made no reference to music ability until challenged.
Interesting the backtracking.
As for the rest of the world. I cant talk for 6 billion people but just taking an Australian perspective.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1466854
Not many negative comments there from a fourm that I suppose would have a "culturally diverse background" :rolleyes:
Anyway, I suppose I cant be accused of the only one sterotyping anymore..:pac: even though I did apologise for mine. People are funny creatures. Must have really hit a nerve0 -
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So you finally understand that? Then why all the ranting about about your insight into the completely unrelated Irish Psyche?
Because the reason you dont like them has more to do with that Irish psyche than your dislike for their music. My point all along. You will never see so much hatred for them as you will from Irish people.What, so every comment in the internet must now be fully qualified so people of all intellegence can decipher them?
I've never met someone in real life or on the internet with such a thin skin - if you get this upset about people not liking U2 that it invokes a number of Anti Irish rants - I worry
LOL, ROFL,
Don't worry about me mate, as I know for sure I am not going to worry about you! Well you had no problem talking for the rest of the world earlier - and finding a false positive forum where people like u2 does not then imply that people of nationalites other than Irish do not like them
My point exactly when you said.I know of no other band that generates stronger, and divides opinion globally more than U2
Thanks for proving it!;)You should really read back over this thread - everything you complain about you do in spades without blushing...people indeed are funny creatures
I made a one line comment about the begrudery of the Irish and how it clouds their judgment. I still have to hear from anyone that this is not the case that in fact Irish people are NOT begrudgers and that we are a very confident and secure people.
I just used U2 as an example of this, something that seemed to offend some people. I am not saying because you don't like U2 it automaticly makes you a begruder but using words like pricks & fcuking idiots makes it hard to take seriously the opinion that its their taste in music that is the root cause of their dislike. Usually its done as an after thought.
This thread (and its sprawl, sorry Hussey!) just proves my point exactly!0 -
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Bono IS a giant fucking prick, I really dislike him.
But as somebody that really dislikes bono, i still think U2 are one of the best Bands over 1980-2010.
I wasn't too pushed on going to be honest, I said i'll see, but i'm paying for 2 other gigs, a skiing trip, a new house and I'm looking for a new job the week they are out. So i'll prob pass.
Until I heard who the special guest artist is.............
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