The solution to losing weight

Dr Nic

This isnt my idea, and its probably nothing new.
But it has worked well for me.

First off the problem(s) with most 'weight loss' diets.

1. Too drastic - Starvation releases fat storing hormones, so all your effort goes for nought.
2. They take too long. By my estimation most people have a tolerance of about 4 days on a diet. If they dont see results they get sick of it and leave it
3. You're hungry. This pisses most people off

Now the solution

1. The v-diet. Its a liquid diet. High protein - casein shakes, moderate fat - good oils and flax, low carbs.

And the best thing about it is:

1. You dont have to be strict on it. I do maybe 5 good days out of 7, with a cheat meal of scrambled eggs on toast each day.
2. The fat is falling off me. I was 21% BF by dexa scan about 5 weeks ago. Im back in for another Dexa in a 3 weeks and i'll be under 15% for sure, if not closer to 10 than 15%
3. Im never hungry. A casein shake really fills you up
4. You can play sports. You're not near 100% with the low carbs, but you're still ok. If you've a big game of soccer/Gaa/rugby/marathon - feed up on carbs for up to 3 days before. I didnt feed up enough initially and it really caught my glycogen stores
5. Its great. Its like a diet without a dieting!
6. Its cheap and portable

Lantus

It's a proper 'diet' in terms of this is designed for 4 weeks and then you transition back to 'normal food'

The human stomach isn't really designed to process liquids and most people who do this tend to feel really tired as well, (sports are discouraged for the 4 week duration.)

It's a quick fix that doesn't address why your doing it or how your going to adopt a healthy life for the other 48 weeks of the year.

I couldn't drink liquids for 4 weeks with only a handful of proper meals and I'm really disciplined. Why would you want to do this?

EileenG

I'll agree that it works, and if you have to lose weight for a significant reason by a particular date, it's one way of doing it.

But it's not something you can do long term, and it's not feasible for most people. I've got young children, and there's no way I could put out real food for them to eat, then sit down at the table and have a casein shake.

rocky

Say hello to constipation.

What's the calorie intake on this diet? Why can you not have the same amount of calories from protein rich foods like chicken tuna etc? If you want to do a rapid fat loss diet, why not try PSMF, sounds like the V diet is the liquid version of this. I would prefer eating real foods than drinking shakes. Where did you get the idea that an all-liquid diet 'doesn't feel like dieting'? Au contraire...

metamorphosis

OP - go over to the athletics forum and ask if they could sustain this diet and training and then simply carb load 3 days before a race like you suggest ...

Dr Nic

Relax Guys...
Im not saying its perfect. But it ticks a lot of boxes in my book.
Plus it emphasises Psylium Husks with every shake...

And what i do is not at all strict. Cheat meals and fruit every day. And the fat still falls off...

If you've to lose a few kilos of fat only in a month, then give it a try...
Its easy in all ways i look at it.
If you dont like it, then apologies!

rocky

Again, how many calories are you taking in?

brianthebard

Its more than a bit rich to suggest people follow a diet that you yourself are not capable of following properly. Sure the v diet works, cutting out two of the three major macronutrient profiles from your daily diet will do that. That it doesn't feel or seem like a diet however is a somewhat ridiculous thing to claim.

Dr Nic

About 1800cals on a 'low day'. Of which i only do maybe 4 a week. Depends on training schedule.

Brian - I dont understand the direction of your post. Sounds like argueing for the sake of it. Im not selling anything. I dont care a jot about how closely one sticks to the diet.

All im putting out there is what i see as a simple way of losing weight imo - which is mostly fat. Its a relatively healthy method, probably healthier than my previous diet. And the best thing is, it works quickly.

I hadnt heard of it until 6 weeks ago, maybe others out there havent either.
Thats why im posting it here.

There's no randomised control trial behind it or anything, so people will have to make up their own minds about it

candy-gal1

Dr Nic wrote: »

This isnt my idea, and its probably nothing new.
But it has worked well for me.

First off the problem(s) with most 'weight loss' diets.

1. Too drastic - Starvation releases fat storing hormones, so all your effort goes for nought.
2. They take too long. By my estimation most people have a tolerance of about 4 days on a diet. If they dont see results they get sick of it and leave it
3. You're hungry. This pisses most people off

Now the solution

1. The v-diet. Its a liquid diet. High protein - casein shakes, moderate fat - good oils and flax, low carbs.

And the best thing about it is:

1. You dont have to be strict on it. I do maybe 5 good days out of 7, with a cheat meal of scrambled eggs on toast each day.
2. The fat is falling off me. I was 21% BF by dexa scan about 5 weeks ago. Im back in for another Dexa in a 3 weeks and i'll be under 15% for sure, if not closer to 10 than 15%
3. Im never hungry. A casein shake really fills you up
4. You can play sports. You're not near 100% with the low carbs, but you're still ok. If you've a big game of soccer/Gaa/rugby/marathon - feed up on carbs for up to 3 days before. I didnt feed up enough initially and it really caught my glycogen stores
5. Its great. Its like a diet without a dieting!
6. Its cheap and portable

Hmmm sounds interesting! just a few questions (sorry to sound stupid)

What are cassein shakes?

What would an average low carb, high protein, moderate fat meal consist of for example?

Thanks!

sh1tstirrer

Dr Nic do you know what happens when you come off your shake diet and start eating normal? You put on weight twice as fast as you lost it. It's the main reason that fad diets don't work. If you were to eat less of what you normally eat and excercise more it will be easier and more normal to continue this after getting to your desired weight.

Dr Nic

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

You put on weight twice as fast as you lost it.

Lol - You have proof of this of course?
I dont mean to sound bad here, but what you said is one of the most generalised cliches going.
If you eat 5000 cals of course you will. But if you just want a quick hit of 4-5kg fat loss in 2 months, and can return to sustaining 2500cals easily, then you definitely wont.

Ive no interest in getting into what i fear this will degenerate into.

For me - it works, its quick easy cheap portable cheatable.

More info on shakes etc here for candy gal!
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Good luck Guys!

Khannie

Dr Nic wrote: »

Lol - You have proof of this of course?

Well the amount you can lose in a day is fixed. You can only under-eat by 2000 odd calories per day (by eating nothing). That's not sustainable. The reverse is not true. There's a much higher upper limit on how much you could over eat by per day. 2000 calories surplus is just a few pints and a take away after.

brianthebard

Dr Nic wrote: »

About 1800cals on a 'low day'. Of which i only do maybe 4 a week. Depends on training schedule.

Brian - I dont understand the direction of your post. Sounds like argueing for the sake of it. Im not selling anything. I dont care a jot about how closely one sticks to the diet.

Its very simple, you're not following the v-diet you made up something else that mixes that with regular eating. I don't have a problem with that, but you shouldn't recommend something if you aren't using it yourself, you will confuse people and some who follow your version of the diet might not loose weight and not know why. You would be taking in a lot less calories on the proper v-diet than 1800 which is also misleading.

sh1tstirrer

Dr Nic wrote: »

If you eat 5000 cals of course you will. But if you just want a quick hit of 4-5kg fat loss in 2 months, and can return to sustaining 2500cals easily, then you definitely wont.!

If you can sustain a certain amount of calories daily easily, you wouldn't need a fad diet in the first place

Dr Nic

My daily cals from strict vdiet ranged from 1400 to 1700. Is 100cals considered 'a lot' brian?

Have you ever bulked sh1tsitter?

brianthebard

Dr Nic wrote: »

My daily cals from strict vdiet ranged from 1400 to 1700. Is 100cals considered 'a lot' brian?

Yeah 100cals is a lot if you're already on a big deficit. Look you don't really seem to get what I'm saying so I'll try and make it clearer. I have no problem with you following whatever diet you want and changing whatever you want about it. But don't then recommend a diet, use its name, and tell people they can change it and cheat on it and get results, because that will only lead to people who aren't as active as you or who have more cheat meals or worse meals not losing weight and not knowing why.
If I said that I was in my fifth week of atkins induction and that it was super easy, I just eat 100g of carbs every few days, I would expect you or someone else to pull me up on that and say I'm not following atkins properly and that is not how it works. Its as simple as that, what you're doing is not the v-diet, its changed an awful lot from the v-diet, and while it might be working in your case it won't work for everyone.

Wonkagirl

Why do people attack posters so quickly on the N&D forums?

We should be encouraging information flow, we're all grown adults and if someone doesnt like something they dont follow the particular diet/advice..

It's certainly something i'd consider partially, this week in particular, as i've a wedding at the wedding and i'm as bloated as bejaysis after carbloading for a race last weekend, so thanks Dr Nic!