The Irish Times-is it relevant anymore?

hello932

Just reading through todays paper and it is absolute drivel. Hard to believe this a national broadsheet...

JabbaTheHut

It's not all bad.....

jimmycrackcorm

It's august all the journos are on Holidays and they've asked some boards posters to write articles.

I actually enjoyed yours.

OPENROAD

How much is it these days?

OutlawPete

Nobody wants to read newspapers of the standard that they once were.

Well, not people in any great numbers at least.

People sure claim too though, but if people really wanted newspapers to present news they way it once was, then that's how newspapers would be presenting it each and every day.

It's supply and demand business at the end of the day and while people may slag off the Red Tops and criticise Boards users everytime the source for their threads are articles from The Sun, The Mirror etc - the truth is, that those papers are the ones with the highest number of sales for the very reason that they are giving people what they want.

I believe the vast majority of people are news snobs online and tabloid purchasers off it.

minister poxbottle

hello932 wrote: »

Just reading through todays paper and it is absolute drivel. Hard to believe this a national broadsheet...

Well dont read it again, that way you won't have to go on a public forum whinging. Stick to the beano :rolleyes:

Miss Lockhart

It's the only national paper I can bear to read these days. I don't always agree with it but the writing and reporting is usually at least factually accurate and not sensationalist. I understand why people read some of the tabloids for the sport though.

irishlad_85

The Indo is a tabloid effectively at this stage, it's half sports and entertainment, at least the times maintains some thorough reporting of national issues. And even the sports journalists in the Indo aren't a patch on the Times

TerryTibbs!

Is anything relevant?

It's the only good paper.. And I came to that conclusion myself after reading both in work. Indo is ok at times but since I grew out of tabloids when I was 18, i'm not too keen on it.

I find it way more interesting to read the likes of alternet when i'm online.

The Indo is by far the best newspaper, good compromise between the boredom of the times and the drivel of the tabloids.

The Indo is ok for light reading but I think the IT is the better newspaper.
The standards are slipping on their website though (I haven't read it in print for a long time so I don't know about that part) - there are a fair amount of typos and bad spelling/grammar.

Drumpot

irishlad_85 wrote: »

The Indo is a tabloid effectively at this stage, it's half sports and entertainment, at least the times maintains some thorough reporting of national issues. And even the sports journalists in the Indo aren't a patch on the Times

The Indo has always been a tabloid paper, maybe one of the classier ones, but a rag none the less . . Because its easy and enjoyable to read doesnt make many of its stories half baked.. They have to issue apologies for inaccurate stories quite regularly for a supposed "upstanding paper". Their editors generally have tabloid principles (none). I should know, they posted quotes (as facts) from a guy who screwed my dad as a business partner ( who is on the run from the fraud squad and left 12 kids in Ireland to flee to the states), without checking up if any of his accusations were true. . Lazy, rag, defemating journalism.

I dont buy any newspapers (as they are all full of sh*t jornalism) but the one I would trust the most is the Irish Times.

I enjoy reading the rags for the colorful crap they come up with, I consider that entertainment not in anyway educating (which is why we have so many miseducated people in Ireland who trust the crap they read in papers!). . While the Irish Times isnt always immune from "massaging the truth", they are certainly the more balanced & factual accurate of any paper in Ireland, prob why some people find them boring.

moonpurple

bought it one day recently...
big magazine about dresses mack up shoes
that decision has cost you one customer ....



i read the papers online, indo has more meat:pac:

jasonb

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

It's the only national paper I can bear to read these days. I don't always agree with it but the writing and reporting is usually at least factually accurate and not sensationalist.

Exactly. The Irish Times will stick to the facts and not sensationalise. Tabloids ( and I include the Independent in that ) are there to entertain, not report the news.

J.

mailforkev

Newspapers in general are becoming more and more less relevant to how people live their lives these days.

The Irish Times is currently the only actual weekday newspaper on sale in this country (with the possible exception of the Examiner as I've never read it). The others are wastes of newsprint, with anything from INM being at the top of that list.

titular

The Irish Times is just a big printed copy of the Dail report. It depends on what you look for from a Newspaper. If you just want to read verbatim what is going on with no independant analysis getting in the way, then the Irish Times does it's job well.

If, on the other hand you'd like to see some kind of rational and inciteful thought alongside the report, then buy The Guardian 'cause you won't get it in any Irish paper.

jasonb

jasonb wrote: »

Exactly. The Irish Times will stick to the facts and not sensationalise. Tabloids ( and I include the Independent in that ) are there to entertain, not report the news.

J.

AH is still the only place I have ever heard the Independent described as a tabloid.

Havent touched it since that gob****e Stephen Collins called for the govt to cancel the results of Lisbon 1 and push the treaty through anyway! Who needs democracy anyway..

As for the Indo its not a newspaper at all.

The state of the media in this country is woeful. Its mainly opinion with little or no investigative journalism. I believe this to be the main reason we keep voting idiots from FF back in hence why the country is in such a state.

Drumpot

Johanna Abundant Coin wrote: »

AH is still the only place I have ever heard the Independent described as a tabloid.

Prob because most people dont actually know the differance between journalism to entertain and journalism to inform . .

All news media's have their agenda's. Fox news is the best example. .Ever watch it during an election in the U.S. ? Its unashamadly bias, doesnt even try to cover it up. Hilarious stuff about democrats. . Its not differant for rag tag papers. . They ALL have their agenda's , but the rags love to make insinuations, innuendo's and make fantasy more relevant to their story then fact. . Also, they dont usually backup "opinions" with credible evidence, they use their prejudices on certain topics to encourage people to follow suit. . They also like to say things that they think the majority of the public will want to read . .

Renn

Quit reading the papers long ago. Must say it's scary when I see 80% of Luas commuters reading the articles from the Metro every single morning. Not saying it would be any better if the were reading The Irish Times but just the thoughts of everybody being fed the same thing.

syklops

Back when Gaybo presented the Late Late, and Kenny, had Kenny live, I always used to say The Times was the late late, and the Indo was Kenny Live, and the Sunday editions even more so.

Now that clown is ru(i)nning the late late, and Kenny is doing the frontline, I cant use the same analogy.

Lafortezza

The Irish Times was the only paper NOT to have Larry Murphy on the front page during the week, says a lot really.

Renn

Doesn't say much at all really.

melekalikimaka

Johanna Abundant Coin wrote: »

AH is still the only place I have ever heard the Independent described as a tabloid.

the independent is tripe

hidinginthebush

The Irish Times is the only paper I can bear to read. If I wanted to read half the stuff in the tabloids I'd just buy a copy of Heat or OK.

bonerm

I'd love to be able to use the Irish Times Archive but their prices are ridiculous. Beyond that I have no interest in their existence.

Bill2673

I read the journalists not the paper

Mary Fitzgerald
Keith Duggan
Ian O'Riordan
Carl O'Brien
Padraig O'Morain
Ross O'Caroll Kelly

I don't I've ever reached the end of a Fintan O'Toole article, or John Waters, or Tom Humphries.

laugh

The reason all the rags prosper is the same reason we don't have a quiz show on Irish television anymore; "ah jaysus now I can't be thinkin".

Menengroth™

Head and shoulders above the rest. Mind you, there's been **** all news in the last few days though.

Pandoras Twist

I'd rather read that then the godawful and utterly biased Indepedent

KyussBishop

I go through their website semi-regularly and the quality of articles is pretty poor, and with all that's been going on in the last few years I don't think they've done much/any effort so far as investigative journalism goes (maybe I'm wrong there, would be nice to be enlightened of some if they did).

I get the impression that newspapers and the media generally in Ireland have no balls when it comes to poking around, exposing corruption, adequately highlighting the important issues which the public should be focusing on etc. etc., and are becoming increasingly tabloidy.


It's surprising to me that people working in banks, or in government etc. haven't made any use of WikiLeaks or anything for exposing corruption in any way; could really use more of that in this country, and better investigative analysis of government etc.; especially with what I've heard in the past of some journo's being intimidated into quietly withholding important stories.

A lot of people complain about Irish apathy over events in the last few years (and more), but I personally think people overlook the far more important failings in the media in providing proper analysis and informing people as well as they should.


If any newspapers want to survive over the next decade, they need to beef up their online presence and try to make that more attractive to readers, whilst not locking everything behind a suicidal paywall; The Guardian is doing a good job of this in the UK, have tons of talented writers, and do a lot of quality journalism (investigative and otherwise).


What good reads are there for investigative stuff in Ireland?

melekalikimaka

melekalikimaka wrote: »

the independent is tripe

The Independent, Sunday Independent and the Racing Post are the only papers I will part with money for.

PeterIanStaker

I think that the Times is inherently biased with Miss Ex - PD Kennedy at the helm. And yes it is still better than the Indo (a better right wing cultural cringe vehicle) because it still has news now and then.

starlit

The Irish Times is alright but I prefer the Irish Independent its more informative in my opinion.

super_furry

It's not great but it's not as bad as the Independent. I honestly believe that the Sunday Independent is the worst newspaper in circulation today.

starlit

The Sunday Independent isn't great, I'd only read a few bits and thats it, read in less than a half an hour and I'd have gone through all the paper. The only thing decent to read in it is the GAA sport section!

tintin67

Pandoras Twist wrote: »

I'd rather read that then the godawful and utterly biased Indepedent

You're just joining the bandwagon, aren't you? Most of its columnists (Kevin Myers, David McWilliams, Ian O'Doherty etc) are virulently anti-government. You'd know that if you actually read 'the rag' instead of just going along with the mob.

Jay P

I've read the Times fairly regularly since I was about 15 because it was always lying around the house, and I think it's great. It's generally well-researched and un-biased, and the news is actual news, unlike 90% of what you find in the red-tops, and the glorified red-top that is The Independent.

The same goes for The Sunday Times, which is a great paper. Between everything that comes in it, it keeps me occupied while eating breakfast for most of the week.

Mint Sauce

Indo couple of days during the week and the times at the weekend for the supplements. Stopped buying the redtops a couple of years ago.

veritable

Jay P wrote: »

I've read the Times fairly regularly since I was about 15 because it was always lying around the house, and I think it's great. It's generally well-researched and un-biased, and the news is actual news, unlike 90% of what you find in the red-tops, and the glorified red-top that is The Independent.

The same goes for The Sunday Times, which is a great paper. Between everything that comes in it, it keeps me occupied while eating breakfast for most of the week.

The Irish times is just as biased as any other newspaper out there. They simply dress it up (lipstick on a pig, etc).

The Irish public has virtually no choice when it comes to newspapers or news media.

The rubbish that the IT prints seems to worsen each week. It is anti-american, anti-israel and anti-catholic. It stands for nothing.

The old grey lady spent almost an entire week pushing the female TD quota story. One story after another about the ridiculous nonsense of quotas that neither men nor women favour.

The IT doesn't even attempt to balance the leftist ideology garbage it prints 6 days a week. But the Irish have no other broadsheet to buy! The indo is a bit more balanced but apart from that, what else?

The IT sales have fallen dramatically over the past year. Hopefully it will continue to decline until one day this pig with lipstick is in the gutter where it belongs.

markesmith

veritable wrote: »

The Irish times is just as biased as any other newspaper out there. They simply dress it up (lipstick on a pig, etc).

The Irish public has virtually no choice when it comes to newspapers or news media.

The rubbish that the IT prints seems to worsen each week. It is anti-american, anti-israel and anti-catholic. It stands for nothing.

The old grey lady spent almost an entire week pushing the female TD quota story. One story after another about the ridiculous nonsense of quotas that neither men nor women favour.

The IT doesn't even attempt to balance the leftist ideology garbage it prints 6 days a week. But the Irish have no other broadsheet to buy! The indo is a bit more balanced but apart from that, what else?

The IT sales have fallen dramatically over the past year. Hopefully it will continue to decline until one day this pig with lipstick is in the gutter where it belongs.

The Irish Times is a quality paper. I find it very hard to understand, much less appreciate, any of the points you've made here.

The Indo is a tabloid. The Sindo is a newsletter for Dublin 4 socialites and gossip-mongers.

aDeener

Drumpot wrote: »

The Indo has always been a tabloid paper, maybe one of the classier ones, but a rag none the less . . Because its easy and enjoyable to read doesnt make many of its stories half baked.. They have to issue apologies for inaccurate stories quite regularly for a supposed "upstanding paper". Their editors generally have tabloid principles (none). I should know, they posted quotes (as facts) from a guy who screwed my dad as a business partner ( who is on the run from the fraud squad and left 12 kids in Ireland to flee to the states), without checking up if any of his accusations were true. . Lazy, rag, defemating journalism.

I dont buy any newspapers (as they are all full of sh*t jornalism) but the one I would trust the most is the Irish Times.

I enjoy reading the rags for the colorful crap they come up with, I consider that entertainment not in anyway educating (which is why we have so many miseducated people in Ireland who trust the crap they read in papers!). . While the Irish Times isnt always immune from "massaging the truth", they are certainly the more balanced & factual accurate of any paper in Ireland, prob why some people find them boring.

you must really hate your father

OutlawPete

I like Newspapers that don't call people names.

Very hard to find these days.

Just tell me what someone did and I'll decide for myself if they are a 'evil monster' or not.

Wacker

I swore never to go near The Independent again after the first reported case of Foot and Mouth in Ireland. They led with "The Plague is Here". From a broadsheet?!? Absolute idiocy. They have never done anything to indicate that this was a poor choice.

tintin67

Wacker wrote: »

I swore never to go near The Independent again after the first reported case of Foot and Mouth in Ireland. They led with "The Plague is Here". From a broadsheet?!? Absolute idiocy. They have never done anything to indicate that this was a poor choice.

Stop swearing. How would you know that they have never done anything to indicate that this was a poor choice of headline if you have never gone near it since?

Wacker

tintin67 wrote: »

Stop swearing. How would you know that they have never done anything to indicate that this was a poor choice of headline if you have never gone near it since?

Read 'go near' as 'buy'. I still read it in barber shops and the like.

javaboy

tintin67 wrote: »

You're just joining the bandwagon, aren't you? Most of its columnists (Kevin Myers, David McWilliams, Ian O'Doherty etc) are virulently anti-government. You'd know that if you actually read 'the rag' instead of just going along with the mob.

So let me get this straight. You're defending the Indo from accusations of bias by stating how biased their journalists are?