Callouts

shawpower

Okay guys, we've been rocking in parties quite a lot recently and having a great laugh. But one thing I noticed last night playing S&D was that there wasn't much in the way of callouts going on. Fair enough in TDM it isn't as necessary, but I think when we play DOM, CTF and S&D, we should be using them more.

One example was in the game of S&D on Quarry, one of our team was shooting at an enemy but died. I was thinking at the time that as they were shooting, or after they saw the player, they should have called out his location. Once they died, those of us who were left couldn't hear him anymore. So we had no idea where the enemy was. I think we won 4-3 in the end, but since we were playing randoms, we should have won more easily. I think the call outs would help with this. So, I'm posting up call outs that TmarTn has created on his YouTube channel. Anyone else think they're worth using, or are people more interested in having a laugh as we play, and that this is too "pro" etc?

Strike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRNBjsXeI70

Vacant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqWdZzqa3co

Fuel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydmRrrC-sMQ

Carnival

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbPYa4sL4qU

Salvage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnbMtFPme98

Crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp51bWCN_dE

Bailout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIBt5KCRqBI

Overgrown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoKqO2Jungg

Storm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAsJnhYHq24

Terminal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3uDYCMtQG4

Sub Base

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJnhbgRlj2M

Skidrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUEvWwkPMsE

Highrise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gj0wvt23JA

Scrapyard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJydL-m6Jps

Invasion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8JWiv5rspk

Favela

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6srrKbFVig

Estate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t33vZnb4Uas

Afghan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pUrILBFXLg

Karachi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-uzbmJRwV8

Wasteland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmvPJCTsz3M

Derail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxqNB5553uM

Rundown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3VD8Rlf0DI

Quarry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-x6dqzLz6Q

Underpass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGrYIedIF24

krudler

Isnt that a lot of stuff to remember lol although its easier than "that big building, no the other big building,behind you! to your left!"

I was playing with an American guy who thought he was actually in the army (he may have been) one night, he kept telling us there were "tangos to our 6" and all this stuff, was pretty funny.

shawpower

krudler wrote: »

Isnt that a lot of stuff to remember lol although its easier than "that big building, no the other big building,behind you! to your left!"

I was playing with an American guy who thought he was actually in the army (he may have been) one night, he kept telling us there were "tangos to our 6" and all this stuff, was pretty funny.

True, and I'm not suggesting everyone learn them off "as their homework". But if we start using some, you'll pick them up over time. And if you actually think about them, most are very easy to remember because they are very accurate. I mean "statue" in Strike. Everyone knows where that is, but it's just a matter of using that word, rather than saying "that walled area just off the main street". Similarly, "Blue" in Strike is for the blue building. And there is only one. Quite a few of the callouts are the same through different maps, as there are a few "power station", "bunker", "blue" building, "yellow" building. And you'd be surprised how quickly you'd know what someone is talking about if they called it out over the mic.

I don't go as far as that US guy, but someone telling you that there is an enemy in a certain location is as good as a UAV. And we all agree how powerful the UAV is when they are up. (Unless you get a party of gits who all run with ColdBlooded! )

CORaven

I am liking your thinking. Call-outs are great, and as you said, there are as good as UAV. Time to study these so we have the same name locations :P

Call-outs tend to be most effective on S&D and campers. However I do not see a practical application to them in bigger games though, (except if you identify spawn locations).

Mr. Manager

Yea I think if you predominantly play S&D they'd be a great help. I've watched only the first one but will get the study done asap!

shawpower

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Yea I think if you predominantly play S&D they'd be a great help. I've watched only the first one but will get the study done asap!

I think they'd be very handy for CTF, which I enjoy. Plus a bit in Dom, so you can say where people are coming for to take a flag, or where they are hiding to protect one.

Mysterious Man

It seems to work without the callouts.

I'm not arsed learning all of them.

shawpower

Mysterious Man wrote: »

It seems to work without the callouts.

I'm not arsed learning all of them.

First post on the forum, and it's this? 2nd account Troll by any chance??

Shammy

I was surprised at how many good players there are here on boards, playing dom with them i dont think we ever lost a single game, callouts arent totally important as most of the players would look at there radar , see where a team mate was downed as a skull will show up.

I dont play an awful lot of snd but maybe callouts might be more important in that mode.

Its a good idea , my call outs usually revolve around the dom flags , be it what ever mode i play

Mysterious Man

shawpower wrote: »

First post on the forum, and it's this? 2nd account Troll by any chance??

I fail to see the trolling myself.

I'm just saying learning them all off takes dedication and quite a bit of retention.

Not for me i'm afraid although it is a good idea.

shawpower

Mysterious Man wrote: »

I fail to see the trolling myself.

I'm just saying learning them all off takes dedication and quite a bit of retention.

Not for me i'm afraid although it is a good idea.

Fair enough.

Agree with you Shammy that there are some good players on Boards. I normally use the Dom flags as callouts as well, but reckon it's handy to have a few more.

minotour

I dont use voice myself, too much randomness on it, annoys the missus BUT if i did i would imagine this is exactly what it should be used for.

Agree with Shammy too, i rely on radar, visual indicators like skulls etc and the ingame voice for situational awareness and it serves me well. There are times though when i'd like to warn the team that the bomb or HQ is unprotected or something similar.............

Quesiton - In a "last alive" situation can the dead teammates advise the spectated player? Im always shouting "Dont go around that corner, DOH!" but then i dont even have the mic on, ya know?

raze

minotour wrote: »

Quesiton - In a "last alive" situation can the dead teammates advise the spectated player? Im always shouting "Dont go around that corner, DOH!" but then i dont even have the mic on, ya know?

Only by sending a text message. During SnD the chat channels are split three ways - team A, team B, and a common channel for dead players/spectators from both teams.

Callouts can really help a team gel together once everyone is used to using the same terms. I was playing HCTDM on Karachi before with a friend who I don't play with that often - after he got killed he was saying "get the guy at the bridge, he just killed me", and I'm totally confused, saying back to him "bridge? what bridge? Didn't you die at the clocktower?".

"Uh... there's a clocktower on this map?"

So a little bit of homework to get common terms for places really helps.

krudler

Theres some places everyone knows, the petrol station on Overgrown or Invasion, most parts of Estate, its places like Strike that have very similar buildings that are harder to figure out where people are talking about.

although since most MW2 players are either talking gibberish, or have some obnoxious music blaring into their mics I usually mute everyone anyway

yimrsg

I'll own up to this one now whilst playing on Underpass before anyone reminds me:

Me: There's a guy on the ceiling!
Everyone else: Eh what?
Me: Oh wait the roof, he's not spiderpig.

I did another one on quarry saying there's a group camping on the second floor factory before realising there's about 4 two story factorys in the level. I mean well but often my garbled dead rattles are often useless and best ignored.

kielmanator

One example was in the game of S&D on Quarry, one of our team was shooting at an enemy but died. I was thinking at the time that as they were shooting, or after they saw the player, they should have called out his location. Once they died, those of us who were left couldn't hear him anymore. So we had no idea where the enemy was.

I'm not sure was that me, but if someone dies in S&D, they can't talk to their teammates?

shawpower

kielmanator wrote: »

I'm not sure was that me, but if someone dies in S&D, they can't talk to their teammates?

Yeah, that's my point. They can't talk to us after they die, so if they were making call outs as they started shooting, we'd have known where the enemy was after they died. Maybe it's not the best example, but my point was that a white skull doesn't tell us a huge amount, and most people use silenced weapons so the UAV isn't much use either.

cherryghost

When you're playing the maps over and over again, you learn your own way of callouts with a team. Those ones you linked are terrible tbh, too detailed and such. I only watched the first 3. For example Strike, we call the 'Main Street' Mid, we call 'Blue Building' Flowers, we call the 'Duplex Motel' Mid building etc etc.

Seriously, don't bother trying to learn other peoples callouts. Make the callouts your own and the team will follow. It's the easiest way

everlast75

If they disected the maps in black ops into grid locations, it would solve the problem... plus its realistic that such co-ordinates would be used in the army...

betcha they won't though :rolleyes:

gavitron22

everlast75 wrote: »

If they disected the maps in black ops into grid locations, it would solve the problem... plus its realistic that such co-ordinates would be used in the army...

betcha they won't though :rolleyes:

yeah i'd love this, and the idea of callouts is great, i play search a lot so it's handy, and yeah in search usually no uav, silenced weapons etc, plus in hardcore it's just about the only way to play (as well as sitrep pro for hardcore, makes it immeasurably better), and no in search if your last man standing you can't hear.

about the grid thing though, that'd be brilliant i'd love that, actually calling coordinates and stuff! but, you could do that anyway with a lot of call of duty maps, like you look at cod 4, ALL of those maps were elaborations of shipment, every single one. 9 squares, three by three, think of the amount that exactly fit into it, and many mw2 maps are similar enough with chug points still being in this exact format. :cool:

oh and whoever said that's what the voice thing should be used for, exactly! when i got cod 4 my and my freind played it for 19 hours straight (free gaf...) and only played free for all, because we didn't have a mic and thought it'd be too hard to play team games without the mic doing callouts! how naive of us... but still! that's the real reason it's there! :pac:

Kersmash

This video here really highlights the effectiveness of callouts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWhQuLEYdoA

yimrsg

Kersmash wrote: »

This video here really highlights the effectiveness of callouts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWhQuLEYdoA

It also highlights the importance of decent players and being familiar with their roles in the team. They had several runners, some "midfielders" and "defenders". Each covered a particular side/area and was in constant chatter with those around. No need for UAV when a team is that tight.

Also a group of all 10th level prestiges either means they're all half decent or else they got there by "other methods". Slagging them off as hackers after losing just shows which category they fall under. The final k/d score was just a massacre.

sierra117x

at the end of the day it is just a game not a military campaign

Nuri Sahin

Bit of experience in playing the game and common sense comes into play more so than learning call outs.

Call outs are only really useful in SnD or simply, comp matches.

Anything else IMO, is a bit OTT.

mighty magpie

a few years ago (cod 4 days) there was about 20+ players who were all mates, 3 of these were brothers who lived in the same house and had 3 seperate xboxes often playing at the same time and in the same team. When one died they would just callout into the next room or up the stairs to their brother. Was funny as hell hearing them roar into their mics "HE'S GOING TO PLANT THE BOMB AT B" These weren't children either. Youngest was 24!!!:D

everlast75

Adnan Alves wrote: »

Bit of experience in playing the game and common sense comes into play more so than learning call outs.

Call outs are only really useful in SnD or simply, comp matches.

Anything else IMO, is a bit OTT.

TMI?

LOL

Nuri Sahin

(Hurray for Google :pac: )

Cossax

Adnan Alves wrote: »

Bit of experience in playing the game and common sense comes into play more so than learning call outs.

Call outs are only really useful in SnD or simply, comp matches.

Anything else IMO, is a bit OTT.

Call outs are useful in all game types (particularly for dealing with campers) but esp. so in objective games. I wouldn't go so far as to learn a whole map of call outs off but I would look at the main call out points for a map, pick up other people's or describe places yourself anyway.

It also depends on the standard of player you're against, if you're mopping up there's not much need to call out but if it's tight you'll be making calls - so obviously less useful on the PS3 *runs*.

Nuri Sahin

Cossax wrote: »

Call outs are useful in all game types (particularly for dealing with campers) but esp. so in objective games. I wouldn't go so far as to learn a whole map of call outs off but I would look at the main call out points for a map, pick up other people's or describe places yourself anyway.

It also depends on the standard of player you're against, if you're mopping up there's not much need to call out but if it's tight you'll be making calls - so obviously less useful on the PS3 *runs*.

It depends on who you are playing with more so.

Considering the vast majority of people play TDM and Domination(in pub matches obviously). Call outs are certainly not needed. Anyone who thinks otherwise is off their rocker, again IMO

Plus the simple fact that a lot people do not play in a party and thus a lot of random players are idiots that will not listen to anything you or I will say makes it even more pointless.

.. like I said, unless your into SnD or competitive gaming in general you'll not get much use out of call outs.

edit - re: call outs for campers. That's a general point that's been around for many a year in FPS games. I'm talking about strategic/pre-planned call outs and all that malark.

Magill

Callouts are a great help, not really needed for public play tho. I've very rarely come across anyone else that calls out in mw2 public tho, strange for me. Im constantly calling out positions even if my entire team are micless... old cs habbit i guess. If you really want to dominate randoms good communication is REALLY helpful.

x43r0

Cossax wrote: »

It also depends on the standard of player you're against - so obviously less useful on the PS3

Zing!

everlast75

my thought exactly!!!

Magill

Cossax wrote: »

It also depends on the standard of player you're against, if you're mopping up there's not much need to call out but if it's tight you'll be making calls - so obviously less useful on the PS3 *runs*.

LOl, i like how deluded some xbox players are I've played on both consoles quite alot and both have as many bad players as the other... the only thing the xbox has more of is loud mouth dickwads that rage quit 5 minutes because they're getting dun.

everlast75

Oooohhh - I smell an inter-console challenge/tournament type thingy

Magill

everlast75 wrote: »

Oooohhh - I smell an inter-console challenge/tournament type thingy

Lets not get into it, because frankly, most xbox owners don't have a ps3 because they cant afford it and therefore have no experience of playing on ze ps3

Kersmash

and vice versa!

Magill

Kersmash wrote: »

and vice versa!

Exactly, the whole ps3 thing being easier is hearsay.

Shammy

Magill wrote: »

Lets not get into it, because frankly, most xbox owners don't have a ps3 because they cant afford it and therefore have no experience of playing on ze ps3

I have both

Magill wrote: »

Exactly, the whole ps3 thing being easier is hearsay.

Not entirely true

Magill

Shammy wrote: »

I have both



Not entirely true

I have both aswel, and i never found it harder on the xbox at all, whats your psn ? Should jump on for some games some time. Its just fanboyism imo.

everlast75

There we go then - first match?

Shammy Vs Magill..


(Rings Bell)


ROUND 1!

shawpower

cherryghost wrote: »

When you're playing the maps over and over again, you learn your own way of callouts with a team. Those ones you linked are terrible tbh, too detailed and such. I only watched the first 3. For example Strike, we call the 'Main Street' Mid, we call 'Blue Building' Flowers, we call the 'Duplex Motel' Mid building etc etc.

Seriously, don't bother trying to learn other peoples callouts. Make the callouts your own and the team will follow. It's the easiest way

LoL. How do you make out their callouts are terrible? If it works for them, then surely that means their good? And what's the difference between "Duplex Motel" and "Mid Building". Duplex motel refers to a specific building, while mid building is too vague imho. But then again, if you know what mid building is, then it's perfect for you. They could be called building A, B, C as long as people know what they are. In the main, I thought the callouts were pretty descriptive of where the location is, so can't really fault them on that.

The point about it being OTT is fair enough I guess. Personally I'd not restrict it to S&D, but certainly that's where the most benefit might accrue. I'd be delighted if I was around the C flag in Favela, and heard that there was someone coming around by barber shop. It gives me a big advantage over them, and it doesn't really matter whether it's TDM or S&D for that to be the case. But I do agree that it's a bit much for people to learn off every callout for 20 maps unless you were playing as a team the whole time. But on the flip side, I don't see why anyone couldn't use the simple "Say what you see" guide as a callout? I mean surely everyone knows where "barbershop", "lanundrette", "Garage", "poppys", "Cave", "Church" are on different maps? So if you see someone beside the Pipes in Salvage, then if you call that out people are going to know what you mean...

Dcully

Hilarious thread tbh
If i see that poor kid getting hit by that street fighter Dad of his once more im calling social services.

everlast75

HADOUKEN!!!

shawpower

Callouts worked a treat here. And it didn't have to be mad complicated. "C middle window", "elevator", "under heli", "heli", "A hut", "C hut". They're all very easy when you think about it. Obvioulsy they're strong players too, but if a good player does something I'd like to learn from them and try it too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3LCJG72S60

Shammy

Magill wrote: »

I have both aswel, and i never found it harder on the xbox at all, whats your psn ? Should jump on for some games some time. Its just fanboyism imo.

Brother in law has it at the moment , actually has it for the last 4 months :rolleyes:,
I'll probably pick up the next cod for it.
Psn : iSHAMMY

shawpower

Shammy wrote: »

Brother in law has it at the moment , actually has it for the last 4 months :rolleyes:,
I'll probably pick up the next cod for it.
Psn : iSHAMMY

What, and not play with us XBL players?? :eek::eek:

Shammy

shawpower wrote: »

What, and not play with us XBL players?? :eek::eek:

Ha ha pick it up for both