Eircom's Next Generation Broadband (NGB), is it here yet?

Charlie-Bravo

Been searching around wondering if this is available in Greystones yet. Cannot find it listed if completed or if planned to be completed.

Completed so far:UTV internet listed AvailibeWholesale
To be completed this year: Where is next for NGB

Anyone got any inside knowledge when Greystones will be upgraded to this NGB??

loyatemu

http://ngb.ie/map.htm

doesn't look like Greystones is on the list.

Quackhart

Kilmacanogue is on the list for definite. I remember hearing something about 24mb capacity for Greystones alright, no mention of NGB though.

For shame.....

Charlie-Bravo

I see a good portion of Meath is in line for NGB before the year is out but only Wicklow Town getting it in before Christmas. Probably a question for the net and comms section but why is a well populated area of Greystones (15k or so) not even listed when Wicklow only has circa 10k?!

The Guide

Heard yesterday - it will be next year before it hits Greystones

loyatemu

is it really that good though - Vodafone will do already "up to 8mb" or "up to 24mb" over your phoneline. I know Eircom claim that NGB is uncontended but I've never noticed contention having that great an impact on DSL.

Cryos

as an fyi the NGB is an upto 8mb "Managed Contention Service", its not truelly uncontended its just a marketing term for a new contention management technique.

Long thread over here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055930135

Also, this is not an upgrade from you to the exchange, its an exchange back to eircom upgrade; Some customers do get slightly faster speed but on the whole you get pretty much the same; Except when you go over your limit you will be charged for it.

There is nothing "Next Generation" about the service.

Blandpebbles

NGB is a trap for non techies. Just go with a service that isnt oversold and under maintained.

Charlie-Bravo

Apparently... the coverage map on NGB website shows a good portion of north east Wicklow lined up for 8Mb broadband upgrade between Dec and March. It doesn't say which year :rolleyes:

lendmeyourear

astrofluff wrote: »

Been searching around wondering if this is available in Greystones yet. Cannot find it listed if completed or if planned to be completed.

Completed so far:UTV internet listed AvailibeWholesale
To be completed this year: Where is next for NGB

Anyone got any inside knowledge when Greystones will be upgraded to this NGB??

does anyone know when 1mb broadband will arrive to me, just five miles from Maynooth....Eircom send me a card twice and gave me hope and I got the modem thingy and was sitting and waiting and waiting and charged the minute I got the wireless thingy and waited and waited for the engineers to 'jumper' me, but in the end, I would have to move my house nearer to Maynooth :-(((

so isn't it grand to be expecting 8mb service...wish I had that expectation

LEIN

lendmeyourear wrote: »

does anyone know when 1mb broadband will arrive to me, just five miles from Maynooth....Eircom send me a card twice and gave me hope and I got the modem thingy and was sitting and waiting and waiting and charged the minute I got the wireless thingy and waited and waited for the engineers to 'jumper' me, but in the end, I would have to move my house nearer to Maynooth :-(((

so isn't it grand to be expecting 8mb service...wish I had that expectation

This thread is for the Greystones area. There is a general BB forum under the Tech heading.


@ Astro.
If you can get UPC, i would dump DSL.
The speed and price of UPC is unreal compared to any DSL providers and as mentioned above this NGB is a gimmick.
Read some of the reviews on the BB forum and you will see what i mean. For Roughly the same price as 8Mb (actual for this area 3Mb) NGB with a 30GB cap you can get 20Mb (actual for this area 20Mb) on UPC with a 250GB cap.

Hope that makes sense.

Charlie-Bravo

back at ya Damo...

I would have moved to UPC long ago but for the best cost effective phone package for me is still with UTV. It comes down to total international minutes and UPC doesn't cut the mustard at my usage.

I can put up with the current speed of the DSL at what they are now i.e. much better and the exchange in Greystones has still to migrate.



Now, I don't know being a UTV internet customer if the exchange upgrade will benefit me.

darter

Wow. Those are impressive numbers astrofluff. Which plan do you have? Orion? Plus?

I have UTV Clicksilver and am only getting 2.55/0.31.

LEIN

astrofluff wrote: »

back at ya Damo...

I would have moved to UPC long ago but for the best cost effective phone package for me is still with UTV. It comes down to total international minutes and UPC doesn't cut the mustard at my usage.

I can put up with the current speed of the DSL at what they are now i.e. much better and the exchange in Greystones has still to migrate.



Now, I don't know being a UTV internet customer if the exchange upgrade will benefit me.

That is a great speed. When i first moved to Charlesland over 2 years ago i was told be a few DSL providers that the max was 3Mb and even that would be hard to achieve. Think someone was telling me some porky pies!

turfthrower

I'm on vodafone for both my phone and broadband and I'm in Greystones, and am currently getting quite good speeds on my broadband.



It's a 7mb package, so as you can see, that's more or less what I've got. I've been with two or three other suppliers in the past but this is by far the best.

lendmeyourear

astrofluff wrote: »

I see a good portion of Meath is in line for NGB before the year is out but only Wicklow Town getting it in before Christmas. Probably a question for the net and comms section but why is a well populated area of Greystones (15k or so) not even listed when Wicklow only has circa 10k?!

Where might I see this map please. I got the rural broadband scheme from 3, bit of a laugh a minute...under the terms of this...if you were able to get a signal in the loo, that qualified as supply to your house. In my case, I was able to get it in a tiny bedroom at the end of the house but I wanted it in the main living room, after much aggravation, they supplied me with a unit that would bounce the signal from the tiny bedroom to the living room but not until I had a few rants and told them to stuff it. The downside is anyway, that it works, it doesn't, etc. always getting dropped. So I welcome this news.

matt-dublin

@astro don't UPC have unlimited international minutes for 5 yoyos a month?

I'm getting 20mb, 1 plus box, two standard boxes and phone for 62 a month

Charlie-Bravo

Thanks Matt - I looked at the pricing a good while back so things could have changed since - thanks for letting me know and I'll look into it.

The profile I had last night was connected at 7.6Mb - got that off the router's status page. Now it's connected at 6.3Mb and below is the speed achieved...of course, there's always that contention issue which will drop the speed a little.



***Edit

@Darter: It's Clicksilver Plus 7.6Mb Broadband.

lendmeyourear

astrofluff wrote: »

Thanks Matt - I looked at the pricing a good while back so things could have changed since - thanks for letting me know and I'll look into it.

The profile I had last night was connected at 7.6Mb - got that off the router's status page. Now it's connected at 6.3Mb and below is the speed achieved...of course, there's always that contention issue which will drop the speed a little.



Oh envy envy! a download speed of 5.28mb/s
I saw in the magazine that comes with the Sunday Business Post that Eircom are the only operator that can provide 100% coverage across Ireland with DSL, 3G and Satellite.... only maybe I could get Satellite but I could not afford it... would that be megaeuro.

lendmeyourear

matt-dublin wrote: »

@astro don't UPC have unlimited international minutes for 5 yoyos a month?

I'm getting 20mb, 1 plus box, two standard boxes and phone for 62 a month

hmmm, my calls and phone are 55 euro a month...no broadband available,
cannot get rid of my landline cos vodafone or the others will not work here, I am told its because of the tall trees around house...they recommended I cut them down, UPC included for our not so super digital signal hahaha.

Blandpebbles

Contention does not affect connection synch speed. You can connect at 7.6 and get 40k because so many people are using the same pipe. If your connection is dropping speed it means your line is not stable I.e. With high attenuation.

I would say your speed is dropping at night due interference from street lights.

Contention number of people using same pipe.

Charlie-Bravo

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Contention does not affect connection synch speed. You can connect at 7.6 and get 40k because so many people are using the same pipe. If your connection is dropping speed it means your line is not stable I.e. With high attenuation.

I would say your speed is dropping at night due interference from street lights.

Contention number of people using same pipe.

Just to confirm - I know the difference between the connection profile speed and the actual download speed achieved. I was just saying it happened to be connected with a profile of 6.3Mb at the time of my speed test.

Re: streetlights, I was getting the best speed at night, when it is most probably due to contention and usage being low!

Blandpebbles

Finally i wouldnt touch Eircom with a barge pole, they throttled me within a week of getting it and i dumped them immediately... next generation my rear.

argosy2006

hI HAVE Eircom NGB 8 mb.



see. all those 8's :mad:

WTF

argosy2006

argosy2006 wrote: »

hI HAVE Eircom NGB 8 mb.



see. all those 8's :mad:

WTF

this is suppose to be 8mb,,? why am i paying for 8 mb and getting 0.88 of a MB?

darter

argosy2006 wrote: »

this is suppose to be 8mb,,? why am i paying for 8 mb and getting 0.88 of a MB?

Have you brought this to eircom's attention? what is their response?

argosy2006

darter wrote: »

Have you brought this to eircom's attention? what is their response?

Nope havent brought it to there attention,

darter

argosy2006 wrote: »

Nope havent brought it to there attention,

I doubt that eircom read this board (:rolleyes:), so complaining here is not very effective. Yes, steam is released, but you want action.

Some time ago (2008) when I was getting poor UTV speeds below what I was paying for, I complained to UTV, and did get some information from them that explained the problem. Of course, UTV was blaming eircom...

I'm now on UTV's Clicksilver and should get max of 3 Mb/s, and generally get over 2 Mb/s. So I'm reasonably happy.

lendmeyourear

Damo9090 wrote: »

This thread is for the Greystones area. There is a general BB forum under the Tech heading.


@ Astro.
If you can get UPC, i would dump DSL.
The speed and price of UPC is unreal compared to any DSL providers and as mentioned above this NGB is a gimmick.
Read some of the reviews on the BB forum and you will see what i mean. For Roughly the same price as 8Mb (actual for this area 3Mb) NGB with a 30GB cap you can get 20Mb (actual for this area 20Mb) on UPC with a 250GB cap.

Hope that makes sense.

It does. thank you very much...but I can only get digital TV via UPC and not even with the best of signals..however, I should push along to the BB thread then to get 'up to speed' which is the only speed I will ever accomplish with BB living just 20 miles outside Dublin into Meath...sad to say.:)

Charlie-Bravo

So it's March - Eircom are due to have the NGB stuff done by the end of the month. Considering the current speeds I'm getting I think I would prefer if they didn't do anything.

Here's two different speed tests today:




The odd thing is that the router is only connected at 7616kps!!!

LEIN

Did you try other tests astro?

speedtest.net can be a little wide of the mark.

I got a speed test of 104Mb/s on a 30Mb connection.
That speed is impossible with my router.

Charlie-Bravo

Thanks for the suggestion Damo. Here's Magnet's results:

Download Speed: 4434 kbps (554.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 560 kbps (70 KB/sec transfer rate)

Download Speed: 5539 kbps (692.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 534 kbps (66.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

The download speed ran constantly on Magnet where while watching the Speedtest.net test it spiked getting the high reading. You are right - they are wide of the mark!

matt-dublin

See sig for UPC....

LEIN

UPC on a bad day over wireless network.

Charlie-Bravo

maybe try using low-res images, it should work faster

eigrod

astrofluff wrote: »

Apparently... the coverage map on NGB website shows a good portion of north east Wicklow lined up for 8Mb broadband upgrade between Dec and March. It doesn't say which year :rolleyes:

Anyone know any more on this ? I did a speedtest last night and still not on the 8mb NGB.

bido

eigrod wrote: »

Anyone know any more on this ? I did a speedtest last night and still not on the 8mb NGB.

I Phoned them last week was told it would be the end of the year before we get it, did'nt say what year:mad::mad:

eigrod

bido wrote: »

I Phoned them last week was told it would be the end of the year before we get it, did'nt say what year:mad::mad:

So the map they have on their website is complete and utter bs ?

Thanks for the info anyway bido.

toitle

Map seems to indicate that we're due to be activated this month?
Things like this are part of the reason I'm planning on emmigrating

eigrod

I raised the NGB for Greystones delay with the Eircom guy over on this thread .

He has just PM'd me as follows :

Hi eigrod
Yes can confirm that there is a slight delay due to new cabling to facilitate NGB and have been advised new enable date is May.. If you post me here by end of April I should be able to give you a closer eta.
Apologies for delay but this work will take a few weeks.
Tony

eigrod

I contacted Tony from Eircom via boards.ie again over the past couple of days and just received the following (disappointing) response.

The map on the www.ngb.ie website is still not updated to reflect this though, which could be construed as false advertising really.

Hi eigrod
I am afraid that latest date has this upgrade going through in July / Sept. The delay appears to be due to problems with upgrades to other exchanges. This has cause a knock on affect as techs have had to take longer to resolve this issue. I have been advised that the new dates provided have taken possible delays into account.
Apologies for the delay in up-grading your local exchange it is in hand.
Tony

eigrod

Up and running for me now. Got an email today, and sure enough, carried out a speedtest and have been upgraded.

matt-dublin

what speed you get?

eigrod

matt-dublin wrote: »

what speed you get?

Up around 6.9mb I think. I'll double check the exact figure tonight.

matt-dublin

move to upc lol :P

Charlie-Bravo

eigrod wrote: »

Up and running for me now. Got an email today, and sure enough, carried out a speedtest and have been upgraded.

Interesting, did you check what your router is connected at on the router config menus? Mines still on 7.6Mb (non-eircom provider). Just wondering if you have to be with eircom to get the 8Mb 'contention free' (I use that loosely) broadband.

eigrod

astrofluff wrote: »

Interesting, did you check what your router is connected at on the router config menus? Mines still on 7.6Mb (non-eircom provider). Just wondering if you have to be with eircom to get the 8Mb 'contention free' (I use that loosely) broadband.

I'll post the speedtest result tonight. Forgot to do it last night.

You should check out this forum on here : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1293

Lots of questions answered there and the Eircom guys that man that forum are quite good, to be fair to them. If your question isn't there already, just open a new topic.

eigrod

Speed: 7648 kbps /512 kbps

Charlie-Bravo

For about the last two weeks the service being provided to me has dropped significantly. - Even though the exchange is now upgraded to 12Mb (I was connecting at 10Mb downstream as seen from my routers page) I am only getting down speed of less than 0.5Mb or even not service at all even though the internet lights are active on the router.

I have been onto my provider (UTV) to highlight this problem but they are none the wiser and lowered my profile to 8.1Mb to see if this will sort the issue but to no avail.

I have completed plenty of internet searches and I found many posts of a similar nature on the Vodafone forums. Now, I also posted this query over of Tech>Broadband one of the boardsies says that UTV might be line sharing with Vodafone and this may just be a problem with both their services off the Greystones Exchange.

So, has anyone here who has a DSL (Eircom, Vodafone, UTV or otherwise) experienced significantly bad broadband in the last couple of weeks? Please let me know - it could be related to the exchange upgrade so I'm trying to figure out where or which provider the problems are occuring with. Needle in a hay stack I know but any info will help! Thanks!

mirrorball

astrofluff wrote: »

So, has anyone here who has a DSL (Eircom, Vodafone, UTV or otherwise) experienced significantly bad broadband in the last couple of weeks? Please let me know - it could be related to the exchange upgrade so I'm trying to figure out where or which provider the problems are occuring with. Needle in a hay stack I know but any info will help! Thanks!

Me! I'm on UTV as well, the 8Mb NGB package. Last 2/3 weeks have been ranging between 0.5 and 0.9Mb/s download speed. I have logged the prob with UTV but no joy so far.

Charlie-Bravo

Thanks Mirrorball - keep in touch via posts and PMs.