(UK) Mixed-sex wards in Hospitals

Owwmykneecap

No, not about intergender travelers in medical centres, but this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2010/aug/16/mixed-sex-wards-nhs

What's AH's consensus (!) on this issue?

Moi, as someone who spent quite a good bit of my life in the hospital back in the day, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. In fact I'd probably rather it.

Random

it never occured to me that men and women were separated in hospitals. ****ing nonsense if you ask me. our health care system is bad and confusing enough without splitting people up.

easyeason3

Once I wasn't near a person that kept trying to make mindless conversation I wouldn't care.

cute_cow

my grandad is in hospital at the mo, 2 men and 3 women in the ward with him.
Doesn't make a difference to me, if there are beds available, use the fecking things.

starbelgrade

Mixed sex in wards? Ooooh, Matron!

ejmaztec

Owwmykneecap wrote: »

No, not about intergender travelers in medical centres, but this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2010/aug/16/mixed-sex-wards-nhs

What's AH's consensus (!) on this issue?

Moi, as someone who spent quite a good bit of my life in the hospital back in the day, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. In fact I'd probably rather it.

Tell that to the guy who gets trollied off for a hysterectomy by mistake.

OutlawPete

Oh matron!

EDIT: Damn you Star :mad:

starbelgrade

OutlawPete wrote: »

Oh matron!

Is there an echo in here or wha ?

CavanCrew

I disagree.
The hospitals i have worked in have been mostly same sex wards, and i think that is the way it should be.
It makes it alot easier with regard to privacy as well.. well imo anyways.

PirateShampoo

Neither, i got confined to a hospital bed for a week with 7 other people in the room, it was a ****ing nightmare, between drunks and crazy old people screaming in the middle of the night. Private rooms for all normal people.

alwaysadub

Is there not already mixed wards no?
Wouldn't bother me. Once the fella beside me was cute and not a 60 year old perv

starbelgrade

As long as nobody in the bed next to you starts **** when they think you're asleep, I don't see a problem.

PirateShampoo

alwaysadub wrote: »

Is there not already mixed wards no?
Wouldn't bother me. Once the fella beside me was cute and not a 60 year old perv

Well I'm young ish fella, so here a image for you. When i was in hospital i had to have my daily painkillers administered anally, your in the next bed and that nurse is coming to you next............

ejmaztec

starbelgrade wrote: »

As long as nobody some guy in the bed next to you doesn't start **** when they think you're asleep, I don't see a problem.

My name is URL

Don't see what the big deal is either way.. I always put it down to the fact that they'd prefer to be separated.. nobody's in hospital for a good time!

starbelgrade

PirateShampoo wrote: »

When i was in hospital i had to have my daily painkillers administered anally, your in the next bed and that nurse is coming to you next............

Some people would pay good money for that type of thing.

alwaysadub

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Well I'm young ish fella, so here a image for you. When i was in hospital i had to have my daily painkillers administered anally, your in the next bed and that nurse is coming to you next............

:eek:
Same could happen in a single sex ward though!

Nothing wrong with a bit of anal every once in a while.. oh i mean yeah that'd be horrible..

Sound Bite

When I'm in hospital all I care about is being cured. Not bothered about who I'd have to share a ward with. Fix me up & I'll get over the rest of it.

Kimono-Girl

while they are at it they should group people into rooms by their relationship status and age groups...:pac:

opinion guy

To be honest I've always thought segregated sexes on wards was childish.

I don't know why people are worried about privacy thou - sure everyone knows that a plastic curtain is an impenetrable fortress of privacy :rolleyes:

CavanCrew

opinion guy wrote: »

I don't know why people are worried about privacy thou - sure everyone knows that a plastic curtain is an impenetrable fortress of privacy :rolleyes:

They have upgraded to cotton now

Plebs

I see the NHS are abolishing mixed-sex hospital wards. (A&E and intensive care will not have the stipulation). Good idea if you ask me. My 90 year-old granny was put in a mixed ward a couple of months ago. Not acceptable in my opinion. Thankfully she's somewhere much more suitable now and has put that bad memory behind her.

Also, unisex jacks? Egalitarian propaganda gone too far? I've been in such a building and the women have put up their own signs "ladies" on the door because they got sick of seeing skid marks, piss on the floor and the smell of slurry just after lunch: around 2pm. I say fair play to them.

MarkY91

so basicly every man pisses and ****s on the floor, and is aldo a pervert?

mikom

Plebs wrote: »

My 90 year-old granny was put in a mixed ward a couple of months ago. Not acceptable in my opinion.

Strange........ the travellers had nothing but praise for her.

Rabies

Same sex wards and toilets are fine.

Women and men drop the same stuff in the toilet. Women can be just as dirty as men.
Same sex is stuff is fine.

Plebs

Rabies wrote: »

Same sex wards and toilets are fine.

Women and men drop the same stuff in the toilet. Women can be just as dirty as men.
Same sex is stuff is fine.

The NHS sees things differently. The sociological experiment has failed. We are now in an age where we have to undo some of the bad aspects of social liberalism.

steddyeddy

Jesus guys women fought for eqaul rights long enough and i comend them for it but along with eqaul rights comes eqaul treatment. Same sex, schools, toilets and wards are all fine

Plebs

steddyeddy wrote: »

Same sex, schools, toilets and wards are all fine

Even when the people don't want them? Or should the ideology prevail at the expense of the individual?

TiGeR KiNgS

Jesus people are ill in hospital (understatement of the year), there's going to be puke and sh*t everywhere, its a frigging hospital ofc there's 'little accidents' in and around toilets and wards. Can't expect unhealthy people to get the the toilet on time every time.

Rabies

Plebs wrote: »

I see the NHS are abolishing same-sex hospital wards. (A&E and intensive care will not have the stipulation). Good idea if you ask me. My 90 year-old granny was put in a mixed ward a couple of months ago. Not acceptable in my opinion. Thankfully she's somewhere much more suitable now and has put that bad memory behind her.

Was it an issue for you because of her age or sex, or is it a combination?

I can understand how uncomfortable it can be for an older person. But not can't see the problem for people under the age of 40.

As for the toilet comments. Both sexes can be clean or dirty.

Plebs

Do those in favour of same-sex wards and same-sex toilets believe in same-sex showers and changing rooms?

Fistycuffs

steddyeddy wrote: »

Jesus guys women fought for eqaul rights long enough and i comend them for it but along with eqaul rights comes eqaul treatment. Same sex, schools, toilets and wards are all fine

Spoken like someone who has never been ill in hospital or seen anyone be very ill there.

There is little or no privacy on any ward in hospital ,your business is blasted all over the place , people are helped get changed with curtains open and using bed pans etc.

Not everyone on these wards are equally unwell. Some people are walking around chatting wandering up and down all day and others are in need of help with everything and get no say over how much basic privacy they experience. Those people need to feel as comfortable as they can in that horrible situation and I'm sure having the guy / girl you fancy who works in the shop near your house in the bed across from you watching you would just make a horrible situation even worse. Also different generations find it different.

It may be worth bearing in mind that Amnesty consider having men and women sharing space in prison to be a breach of human rights.

Shared wards are grand if everyone there is just dealing with ingrown toenails and other trivial complaints but when people are very ill and at their most vunerable they deserve the extra dignity of a single sex environment I think.

rockmongrel

Are we so sexually repressed that men and women can't even be in the same room?

Rabies

Plebs wrote: »

Even when the people don't want them? Or should the ideology prevail at the expense of the individual?

The option should be there for a patient to have same or single sex wards. But it can't be a major issue to be in a ward with more people of the opposite sex unless when new borns are involved, intensive care etc. Regular hospital stays would work under one ward.

Plebs

Rabies wrote: »

The option should be there for a patient to have same or single sex wards. But it can't be a major issue to be in a ward with more people of the opposite sex unless when new borns are involved, intensive care etc. Regular hospital stays would work under one ward.

It's more economically prudent to just have same-sex wards than give people the option. There is no logical reason to insist on being in a same-sex ward.

Tar.Aldarion

Used unisex toilets for years, they have been working out fine for me anyway. Sounds like society ain't ready for unisex <facility here> eh.

Fistycuffs

I was in hospital last year on what was an all female ward until one young guy in his 20s was put in with 9 girls in their twenties. He was really nervous about his op. He was really shy, really uncomfortable being there with with all of us and when it was time for his op he had to put on that little blue paper gown with no back that looked like a micro mini skirt in as he was really tall and walk to the theatre crying in front of all of us. I think it being an all female ward made it a hundred times harder and more embarassing for him.
If it had been all male he mightve taken easier to someone trying to have a chat with him to make him feel at ease etc. Not everyone is socially comfortable with the opposite sex.

The easier solution for everyone is single sex wards in my opinion.

Doc

In the NHS everyone should be treated equally regardless of their sex. If a person wants a private room or a same sex ward they should go private. This may sound harsh particularly in the case of your 90 year old grandmother but it is reasonable. The taxpayer is paying for the NHS and has to be given the best value for money. What would happen if there was more women requiring beds then men but the women’s ward was full or vice-versa ?

Unisex toilets are also fine my last office had them and honestly men will treat them better knowing that a woman might walk in straight after them.

Rabies

Oh... I just realised I should have been saying uni sex not same sex.

MMMmmm sex.

Uni sex wards are fine. Saves on space too.
I personally don't have a problem with them, but I can see how some would. THe same goes for bathrooms

jimmycrackcorm

As I closed the curtain across my wifes cubicle in the ward tonight and waited for her to be attended to, I just wished that there was a male patient that was into soccer to have a bit of banter with.


And as an old guy across the other side of the ward started telling me about man utd, I, did wish, that I had paid enough attention to those murder dramas about killing patients in sleep.

Fortunately, he went to sleep. I bleated on about Fulham and Larry Murphy went to Cork.

mary01

Plebs wrote: »

I see the NHS are abolishing same-sex hospital wards. Good idea if you ask me. My 90 year-old granny was put in a mixed ward a couple of months ago. Not acceptable in my opinion.
A

Am I mis-reading this?

First you say you think it's a good idea to abolish same-sex wards, then you say it's not acceptable for your granny to be in a mixed ward

You're totally contradicting yourself or are you saying mixed wards a good idea unless it's your granny in one?

Am I missing something? I must be more tired than I thought:eek:

Plebs

Rabies wrote: »

Oh... I just realised I should have been saying uni sex not same sex.

MMMmmm sex.

Uni sex wards are fine. Saves on space too.
I personally don't have a problem with them, but I can see how some would. THe same goes for bathrooms

Why? Is "same sex" code for some other thing not consistent with your ideology?

The NHS have no trouble with the phrase. Makes perfect sense.

http://www.nhs.uk/choiceintheNHS/Rightsandpledges/samesexaccommodation/Pages/Overview.aspx

Tar.Aldarion

Rabies wrote: »

Oh... I just realised I should have been saying uni sex not same sex.

MMMmmm sex.

Uni sex wards are fine. Saves on space too.
I personally don't have a problem with them, but I can see how some would. THe same goes for bathrooms

I am unsure of all this new same-sex and uni sex 'termage'. It's ok, the uni isn't afraid of the sex, they can get a little closer.

Plebs

mary01 wrote: »

Am I mis-reading this?

First you say you think it's a good idea to abolish same-sex wards, then you say it's not acceptable for your granny to be in a mixed ward

You're totally contradicting yourself or are you saying mixed wards a good idea unless it's your granny in one?

Am I missing something? I must be more tired than I thought:eek:

Yeah, fixed that. All is clear now. lol.

Owwmykneecap

ffs like

Rabies

Plebs wrote: »

Why? Is "same sex" code for some other thing not consistent with your ideology?

The NHS have no trouble with the phrase. Makes perfect sense.

http://www.nhs.uk/choiceintheNHS/Rightsandpledges/samesexaccommodation/Pages/Overview.aspx

I'm all for uni sex.

my previous posts are pro uni sex, but the option for same sex wards should be available too.

I should proof read first

Tar.Aldarion

Rabies wrote: »

I'm all for uni sex.

my previous posts are pro uni sex, but the option for same sex wards should be available too.

I should proof read first

http://pics.livejournal.com/muffintop_pride/pic/0004g56x/s320x240

steddyeddy

Plebs wrote: »

Even when the people don't want them? Or should the ideology prevail at the expense of the individual?

Well weres the evidence people dont want them? Quite a few people here are saying they wouldnt mind them.

Teferi

Rabies wrote: »

Women and men drop the same stuff in the toilet. Women can be just as dirty as men.

Most people who work in pubs/clubs will tell you that the womens toilets are always far mankier than the lads.

Plebs

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well weres the evidence people dont want them? Quite a few people here are saying they wouldnt mind them.

The demographic here (Male, single, renting) isn't exactly representative.

steddyeddy

Fistycuffs wrote: »

Spoken like someone who has never been ill in hospital or seen anyone be very ill there.

There is little or no privacy on any ward in hospital ,your business is blasted all over the place , people are helped get changed with curtains open and using bed pans etc.

Not everyone on these wards are equally unwell. Some people are walking around chatting wandering up and down all day and others are in need of help with everything and get no say over how much basic privacy they experience. Those people need to feel as comfortable as they can in that horrible situation and I'm sure having the guy / girl you fancy who works in the shop near your house in the bed across from you watching you would just make a horrible situation even worse. Also different generations find it different.

It may be worth bearing in mind that Amnesty consider having men and women sharing space in prison to be a breach of human rights.

Shared wards are grand if everyone there is just dealing with ingrown toenails and other trivial complaints but when people are very ill and at their most vunerable they deserve the extra dignity of a single sex environment I think.

the only thing i would agree with there is that people in hospitals are in various degrees of health, I would say if their very ill they should have a single room, there is no room in the 2010 for segregation of the sexs. Progress needs to be made in this country regarding the seperation of the sexes ( not hospitals particularly ) but single sex schools is archaic and a remnant of the embarassing fact that most of the country at one stage were afraid of a bunch of men in dresses.