UCD Parking

dyl10

I don't know if this interests anyone here, but I see parking related topics here from time to time.

I was speaking to a friend the other day who will be working in UCD over the next couple of weeks, installing vehicle registration, recognition cameras.
This will be a trial run of these, being on a few entrances and if successful will be rolled out all over campus.

Perhaps a good step toward solving the 'park and ride' issue in UCD.

n2o

In fairness I don't think park and ride is as significant a problem as people seem to think. There's just more cars and less spaces than there used to be. Water tower car park is out of action now as well.

dyl10

n2o wrote: »

In fairness I don't think park and ride is as significant a problem as people seem to think. There's just more cars and less spaces than there used to be. Water tower car park is out of action now as well.

In that case, I guess cameras are a cheaper way to appear to be tackling the problem than laying new car parks :eek:

Notorious

I say they scrap that white elephant of a student centre and put a multi-story car park in its place.

Ado86

So how is this going to work ?
Will we have to register our cars and then apply for some permit or something?
My car is going to be in the UCD car park pretty much 24/7 this year with the hours Im going to be doing...hope it wont be metred !

delta_bravo

dyl10 wrote: »

In that case, I guess cameras are a cheaper way to appear to be tackling the problem than laying new car parks :eek:

If they provided another 1000 spaces they would all fill. The car parks were about 70% full in summer when i was around. Nobody within a 4 mile area of campus should be driving unless they have some mobility difficulties. Bike lanes are quite good on routes to ucd and there are plenty of buses. Ucd opened a dirt car park last year over near newstead and it did nothing to ease parking. The campus has a unfair image of being a concrete jungle, covering the greenfield we have with Tarmac is not going to help

Red Alert

I live within a 4 mile radius of campus and there is only one bus in the morning and one in the evening. If I do any other combination of buses and walking it would take an hour and a half to get in and out. Compare that to say Kilmacanogue which is more than 4 miles away but has direct buses that are relatively regular. So banning anyone within any specific radius is not a good idea.

delta_bravo

Red Alert wrote: »

I live within a 4 mile radius of campus and there is only one bus in the morning and one in the evening. If I do any other combination of buses and walking it would take an hour and a half to get in and out. Compare that to say Kilmacanogue which is more than 4 miles away but has direct buses that are relatively regular. So banning anyone within any specific radius is not a good idea.

I'm not suggesting a ban, I suggest you cycle

muboop1

n2o wrote: »

In fairness I don't think park and ride is as significant a problem as people seem to think. There's just more cars and less spaces than there used to be. Water tower car park is out of action now as well.

Not true. Have you been there this summer? Still very busy in the car parks beside the n11. Even though 90% of the pol attending college aren't around. Once it hits like 8 on the morning so many people appear who park and bus it to town. Very obvious by their suits etc.

I agree the less spaces thing has made things worse. But that doesn't excuse hundreds of spaces not going to students.

Yuugib

Ey, can anybody advise where can students park for free on campus? I live quite far, so thinking of driving down sometimes... Have seen few pay parking machines before there..

antomorro-sei

What way will this work? Register at start of year, and then would you be guaranteed a spot?

n2o

muboop1 wrote: »

Not true. Have you been there this summer? Still very busy in the car parks beside the n11. Even though 90% of the pol attending college aren't around. Once it hits like 8 on the morning so many people appear who park and bus it to town. Very obvious by their suits etc.

I agree the less spaces thing has made things worse. But that doesn't excuse hundreds of spaces not going to students.

In fairness UCD does not revolve around undergrads. There must be around 3,000 staff and postgrads who are there for most of the summer.

While I'm sure there are a few park and ride people you must also remember that UCD is currently the biggest building site in the country. The O'Reilly car park is full of construction workers from the science centre.

graduate

And construction has meant the loss of the car park beside Quinn now too.

helimachoptor

Even from my time there parking was also a serious problem. I can never understand why they dont build and underground/multistorey car park. Get some of the student archi's and engineers involved.

Michael Collins

helimachoptor wrote: »

Even from my time there parking was also a serious problem. I can never understand why they dont build and underground/multistorey car park. Get some of the student archi's and engineers involved.

It is planned I believe.

From the Campus Developement section of the UCD website:

Surface car parking will be replaced by multi-storey parking structures at strategic locations to provide a more sustainable use of campus lands. The development of a coherent and safe network of cycle paths will also help offset the use of and dependency on cars.

helimachoptor

OSI wrote: »

It is a big problem, every morning I turn up for work and watch as people park up and then walk over to the bus stop.
Planning laws for DLRCC means UCD can't build any more parking.

Michael Collins wrote: »

It is planned I believe.

From the Campus Developement section of the UCD website:

OSI, i do remember someone form the SU mentioning this a few years ago but as MC says i thought they had got it reversed as a special case. I'd rather see them build underground car parks than multi storey ones and try and keep some greenery.

wonderworm

OSI wrote: »

It is a big problem, every morning I turn up for work and watch as people park up and then walk over to the bus stop.



we do have students and staff who work/student off campus for example in the University hospitals and they are quite entitled to park in belfield and get the bus to their destination.

Paul Tergat

Im just wondering whether anyone reckons I could rent out a car park space to someone in UCD (this is not a direct attempt to sell). I live in the apartments above the Roebuck Spar and have 2 spaces that I just wont use so if I stuck up some notices around UCD does anyone think people would take em.

lemon_sherbert

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Im just wondering whether anyone reckons I could rent out a car park space to someone in UCD (this is not a direct attempt to sell). I live in the apartments above the Roebuck Spar and have 2 spaces that I just wont use so if I stuck up some notices around UCD does anyone think people would take em.

You may well find demand, but I'd suggest you look at the terms of your lease beforehand - don't want to give your landlord grounds to complain

antomorro-sei

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Im just wondering whether anyone reckons I could rent out a car park space to someone in UCD (this is not a direct attempt to sell). I live in the apartments above the Roebuck Spar and have 2 spaces that I just wont use so if I stuck up some notices around UCD does anyone think people would take em.

I'd buy it

Moomia

Im just wondering whether anyone reckons I could rent out a car park space to someone in UCD (this is not a direct attempt to sell). I live in the apartments above the Roebuck Spar and have 2 spaces that I just wont use so if I stuck up some notices around UCD does anyone think people would take em.

I'd be very interested!!!

ironclaw

I'd say it will be a registration system. Your number plate tagged to your student card / SIS Web Account. Then its a simple case of seeing what cars appear that are not on the list in the car parks. Its a good idea in my book.

In fairness, UCD parking is private property and should be used by people who have a direct and tangible connection to the University.

Chet T16

I have 6 cars and regularly take 2* up, maybe i'll need to put one reg on all of them

*no, not at the same time

jimmyfixit

I cant see how they could be used to add parking, UCD could have a couple of hundred visitors on any given day for meetings etc. What could UCD do with the reg numbers? They couldnt charge you for parking as you may be driving through the campus or dropping off. They could tell what time staff and students entered and left the campus maybe but what use is that.

It may be an extra security mesure to work with the existing CCTV system.

Parking is sh*te in UCD and always has been always will be. We will have to live with it, approx 17000 staff and students approx 3000 parking spots. At a meeting once and we were informed that the park and ride problem was less tha 70 cars as that a lot of them worked in the terrace, blackrock and the hospitals. They had the clampers at one stage warning people but it didnt pay.

n2o

jimmyfixit wrote: »

Parking is sh*te in UCD and always has been always will be. We will have to live with it, approx 17000 staff and students approx 3000 parking spots. At a meeting once and we were informed that the park and ride problem was less tha 70 cars as that a lot of them worked in the terrace, blackrock and the hospitals. They had the clampers at one stage warning people but it didnt pay.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who thinks that park and ride is a nothing issue.

As far as it always having been poor, 15 years ago before the student centre, before the health sciences building and before the conway institute there were always free spaces in the old science car park. The main difference is that back then students generally didn't have cars!

ironclaw

jimmyfixit wrote: »

I cant see how they could be used to add parking, UCD could have a couple of hundred visitors on any given day for meetings etc. What could UCD do with the reg numbers? They couldnt charge you for parking as you may be driving through the campus or dropping off. They could tell what time staff and students entered and left the campus maybe but what use is that.

It may be an extra security mesure to work with the existing CCTV system.

Parking is sh*te in UCD and always has been always will be. We will have to live with it, approx 17000 staff and students approx 3000 parking spots. At a meeting once and we were informed that the park and ride problem was less tha 70 cars as that a lot of them worked in the terrace, blackrock and the hospitals. They had the clampers at one stage warning people but it didnt pay.

Its actually pretty simple. Big corporations have whats called a AVPR system (Automatic Vehicle Plate Recognition) Its very simple to use, one or two cameras on every entrance logs the plate of every car in and out. This can then be compared to a database of allowed plates, anything that shows up can be considered a park and ride, visitor etc.

In big corporations, such as Microsoft, your asked for your car reg before you come to any meeting. So that plate is added to the system for the day your due to arrive. Or just have all visitors pay for parking and remind them that spaces are limited.

It actually wouldn't be a huge investment at all and would help in some way to alleviate the problem. I think it is clear however there arn't enough spaces but if 100 spaces per day where taken back from freeloaders we'd be well on our way.

mumtoe&e

I am a UCD student - doing Midwifery and when on placement in Holles st - I park in UCD and get the no 10 in - so dont assume that everyone u see parking and then getting the bus are just being cheeky and taking up UCD spots - there are many nursing students who do this - as there is no other option of getting into their placement hospitals!

ironclaw

mumtoe&e wrote: »

I am a UCD student - doing Midwifery and when on placement in Holles st - I park in UCD and get the no 10 in - so dont assume that everyone u see parking and then getting the bus are just being cheeky and taking up UCD spots - there are many nursing students who do this - as there is no other option of getting into their placement hospitals!

Not a personally directed comment, but the arguement can be made that your not conducting business in UCD on the day in question and as such your taking away a space for a student who may be.

You can get to Holles St without parking in UCD. A student attending UCD may not be able to go to a lecture etc without driving & parking.


Its a two sided argument, I can appreciate that.

mumtoe&e

ironclaw wrote: »

Not a personally directed comment, but the arguement can be made that your not conducting business in UCD on the day in question and as such your taking away a space for a student who may be.

You can get to Holles St without parking in UCD. A student attending UCD may not be able to go to a lecture etc without driving & parking.


Its a two sided argument, I can appreciate that.

Well no offence, but I AM a student of UCD and as part of my course I HAVE to do placement in the hospital, so sorry, I dont agree with you!!!

I am commuting from Baltinglass Wicklow! I drive an hour to UCD and then bus it to holles st, believe me I would much prefer an alternative option!
Us who have to do work placement as park of our course are well entitled to park in the college while we are on placement!

stop

mumtoe&e wrote: »

Well no offence, but I AM a student of UCD and as part of my course I HAVE to do placement in the hospital, so sorry, I dont agree with you!!!

I am commuting from Baltinglass Wicklow! I drive an hour to UCD and then bus it to holles st, believe me I would much prefer an alternative option!
Us who have to do work placement as park of our course are well entitled to park in the college while we are on placement!

Do you actually have to do anything in Belfield while on placement? Because if not, I can't see any excuse for taking someone else's spot.
If you do (library etc), that's fair enough.

mumtoe&e

stop wrote: »

Do you actually have to do anything in Belfield while on placement? Because if not, I can't see any excuse for taking someone else's spot.
If you do (library etc), that's fair enough.

Nope generally no, I wouldnt go into college the days I am on placement, the odd day I might head into the library if we finish up early in the hospital - but we will have to agree to disagree on this one i'm afraid. as part of our course as UCD students we HAVE to do placement - we are still students of UCD while on placement - so if you want to be petty - well there will always be a few wont there..

ironclaw

mumtoe&e wrote: »

Nope generally no, I wouldnt go into college the days I am on placement, the odd day I might head into the library if we finish up early in the hospital - but we will have to agree to disagree on this one i'm afraid. as part of our course as UCD students we HAVE to do placement - we are still students of UCD while on placement - so if you want to be petty - well there will always be a few wont there..

I appreciate your argument but look at it this way. Imagine parking in St. Vincents Hospital was free. Now, you need to go to the hospital however you can't drive because you know that its very likely there will be no spaces to park. Now,say 90% of the people parking in the hospital are actively attending it and as such have strong justification to be there. However, the other 10% are people who are using it as a jump off point to go to work and have no daily link to the hospital. I think its fair to say that those 10% are being rather selfish.

While UCD isn't a life and death arena, I do strongly believe that all parking should be reserved for people that have an active daily tangible link to the campus. While a placement is important, I don't think it justifies a parking space. If I got my degree from UCD, in 10 years does that mean I can go to work and park in UCD? No, it doesn't because I have no business being in the UCD car park.

mumtoe&e

"If I got my degree from UCD, in 10 years does that mean I can go to work and park in UCD? No, it doesn't because I have no business being in the UCD car park"

NO it doesnt mean you can park in UCD as you WILL NOT be a UCD Student - same as when I qualify, I wont have rights to park there - but for now - I AM a student, so am well within my rights to park there now, and whilst on placement!

Overature

sorry, what is park and ride?

antomorro-sei

Overature wrote: »

sorry, what is park and ride?

Driving into UCD, parking there, then going and getting/riding the bus into town.

stop

mumtoe&e wrote: »

Nope generally no, I wouldnt go into college the days I am on placement, the odd day I might head into the library if we finish up early in the hospital - but we will have to agree to disagree on this one i'm afraid. as part of our course as UCD students we HAVE to do placement - we are still students of UCD while on placement - so if you want to be petty - well there will always be a few wont there..

So where do you draw the line? Students working in a hospital is ok for you, what about students working on the farm in Newcastle? Or students on Erasmus?

mumtoe&e

stop wrote: »

So where do you draw the line? Students working in a hospital is ok for you, what about students working on the farm in Newcastle? Or students on Erasmus?

Is working on a farm in Newcastle an integrated part of any course in UCD?:D If so, then yeah the student would be within their rights to park there!!! Placement is a requirement of many courses throughout UCD - we as UCD students, whilst on placement are still unpaid students of UCD, we are always the responsibilty of UCD - therefore yes, we are well within our rights to park there - but perhaps its time to get over it - its not all student nurses/midwives taking up the spaces - so move on! YAWN!

stop

mumtoe&e wrote: »

Is working on a farm in Newcastle an integrated part of any course in UCD?:D If so, then yeah the student would be within their rights to park there!!! Placement is a requirement of many courses throughout UCD - we as UCD students, whilst on placement are still unpaid students of UCD, we are always the responsibilty of UCD - therefore yes, we are well within our rights to park there - but perhaps its time to get over it - its not all student nurses/midwives taking up the spaces - so move on! YAWN!

So by your logic UCD should have ~22,000 parking spaces then?

I think your decision is motivated by the fact that you can park in UCD for free. It's nothing got to do with "being within your rights".

mumtoe&e

stop wrote: »

So by your logic UCD should have ~22,000 parking spaces then?

I think your decision is motivated by the fact that you can park in UCD for free. It's nothing got to do with "being within your rights".

Yes of course my decision is motivated by the fact that I can park in UCD for free!!!!! :rolleyes:
For the 100th time - I am a student of UCD whilst on placement and we are the responsibilty of UCD whilst on placement!
And yes I am within my rights parking there - I pay my UCD fees for the year, every year! I am classed as a student of UCD from sept-may, whether I am on placement in the hospital, or in the college library! Get over it!

ucd.1985

Just because you are in the care of UCD you think you deserve a parking space despite the fact that you have no business on campus 90% of the time you pakr there.

Stupid agrument. :rolleyes:

mumtoe&e

ucd.1985 wrote: »

Just because you are in the care of UCD you think you deserve a parking space despite the fact that you have no business on campus 90% of the time you pakr there.

Stupid agrument. :rolleyes:

90% - please enlighten me and elaborate- where is the 90% coming from!!

Stupid argument is right - seen as how there is no argument! I can park there - end of! do I feel guilty when I as a UCD student park there whilst I am working as a UCD student? Em nope, I sure as hell dont!:P:D

dyl10

ucd.1985 wrote: »

Just because you are in the care of UCD you think you deserve a parking space despite the fact that you have no business on campus 90% of the time you pakr there.

Stupid agrument. :rolleyes:

The poster is not in 'the care' of UCD, he/she is not a patient in the university, the poster is a paying student/customer of UCD.
The stupid argument is to claim that he or she has no grounds to argue a parking space in UCD.

mumtoe&e

dyl10 wrote: »

The poster is not in 'the care' of UCD, he/she is not a patient in the university, the poster is a paying student/customer of UCD.
The stupid argument is to claim that he or she has no grounds to argue a parking space in UCD.

thank you dyl10!
people are seriously deluded!

maccy

antomorro-sei wrote: »

I'd buy it

Moomia wrote: »

Im just wondering whether anyone reckons I could rent out a car park space to someone in UCD (this is not a direct attempt to sell). I live in the apartments above the Roebuck Spar and have 2 spaces that I just wont use so if I stuck up some notices around UCD does anyone think people would take em.

I'd be very interested!!!

Or just park a couple of metres away in the estates for free...

Tom1991

that works sometimes until a granny is shrieking at you sayin your blocking her drive wen your 4 ft from the entrance of her house and the the next house. scandalous the parking will be with the clock tower and sports science car park and quinn paid car park out of action.i thought the worst was that bus lane at dundrum taking years to finish .be in before half 8 was my old rule till after christmas now its looking like be in before 8

Paul Tergat

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Im just wondering whether anyone reckons I could rent out a car park space to someone in UCD (this is not a direct attempt to sell). I live in the apartments above the Roebuck Spar and have 2 spaces that I just wont use so if I stuck up some notices around UCD does anyone think people would take em.

Just on this. I PM'd Raphael and he said it was ok for to to just chuck up a follow up post to say I've 1 space in Roebuck Hill for rent for the year. It's underground secure parking (you'll get a buzzer for it). If anyone is actually interested chuck me a PM so we dont clog up this thread.

maccy wrote: »

Or just park a couple of metres away in the estates for free...

This is s good option also for students!

delta_bravo

I have been in a few days this week doing lectures for the PGDE. Clonskeagh will be the worst entrance to go in as the Water Tower and Chapel car parks are closed off. The car park near o'reilly hall is also partially closed. Drove in at 2pm yesterday and around campus spaces were about 90% occupied.

Chet T16

delta_bravo wrote: »

I have been in a few days this week doing lectures for the PGDE. Clonskeagh will be the worst entrance to go in as the Water Tower and Chapel car parks are closed off. The car park near o'reilly hall is also partially closed. Drove in at 2pm yesterday and around campus spaces were about 90% occupied.

WTF? This is starting to take the piss. I'm going to go up during the week and see whats what

stop

delta_bravo wrote: »

I have been in a few days this week doing lectures for the PGDE. Clonskeagh will be the worst entrance to go in as the Water Tower and Chapel car parks are closed off. The car park near o'reilly hall is also partially closed. Drove in at 2pm yesterday and around campus spaces were about 90% occupied.

I saw what loons like a bit of Tarmac being laid in the one at the water tower, maybe this is finally going to sort out the park where you want no matter how many you block in situation...

Blut2

I've been around campus all summer and to be honest, when theres no undergrad students around parking just about works as it should. About 80% of spaces are generally full in the day time from my experience. Usually theres always a few spaces in any car park so you're not driving around for too long looking for one. This is great and all but its a bit of a travesty that parking only works as its supposed to when theres no undergrads on campus. Once the 14,000ish of them come back to college I dont even want to think about what parking is going to be like, "bad" would be an understatement. It does seem to get worse every year sadly, they really do need a big underground/multistory car park.

Whats the deal with the car park next to Quinn? Are they extending it or what?

n2o

Blut2 wrote: »

Whats the deal with the car park next to Quinn? Are they extending it or what?

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