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MNSCI .22 Prone Rifle PR60 & PR40, 50m & 100yd, Aggregate Shoot next Sat & Sun.
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I'd forgotten how hard 100yd is with iron sights! Once I got sighted in I was OK, but it took a long time to get there. It's particularly hard when your spotting scope only shows holes which are two rounds in size or which break a line!
Still, I had fun and enjoyed a good day's shooting. I'm looking forward to tomorrow.
If anyone's in Midlands tomorrow, come over and say hi.0 -
I seem to remember the worst of it being that you damn near need a power drill to get the rearsights wound up enough to go from 50m to 100yds in any sort of reasonable time
25 yds indoors to 50m outdoors was only ever a few clicks because they're on either side of the apogee, but 100yds, you're really having to crank it on a bit.0 -
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It's tough alright, but there are a few things that could help a lot. Having backer cards and holes cut in the target board behind the bulls help pick out the shot holes. My biggest problem was being able to pick out my target; I had to pin the target over the number to get it high enough so I wasn't getting too much of the ground baffles in my sights for the bottom bull. The numbers need to be a lot bigger and alternately coloured to help.
There's a lot of wind between you and the target
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Conor had a 377 in the 50m (with my rifle) and I had a 370 today. AFAIK, Conor won the Saturday competition and it was looking good for Sean Baldwin to win the aggregate.
Not enough scores in by the time I left to be sure, but I must say well done to Midlands for running this, it was a fantastic weekend's shooting. Fair play to fat_tony who's sights wouldn't click up to 100 yards, so having inserted a shim overnight, proceeded to shoot 100 shots at 100 yards and 40 shots at 50m today.
Serious stamina called on to do that :cool:0 -
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Just a few thoughts on the inaugural Midlands weekend aggregate.
First, didn't talk to anyone who didn't think it was a great idea (had to get that out of the way first). Everyone enjoyed it immensely and took something positive away from the experience.
Shooting at 100 yards took a little getting used to, but most people improved on the second day (although some who will remain nameless had a nice calm detail on Saturday
). There sure is a lot of wind from 50m out to 100 yards :eek:.
Numbers need to be higher. It was organised so that people could always find a free firing point, but there tended to be a predomination at one distance or another which made it a bit unbalanced.
Pre-booking of details needs to be implemented for the next time and a longer run in for entries. Indeed there could be entries from the UK if it were advertised there, as it's great value for money.
A few more volunteers would help take some of the load off the Midlands lads who were swamped with work at times. Also at least a second stats officer so that one person isn't stuck all weekend going blind from staring at targets. Electronic targets would be great .
I hadn't seen the new layout for 50m on the Gehmann boxes, but I was absolutely gobsmacked at the work done on that range. The target gallery was an absolutely fantastic bit of work which I believe is down to ezridax, I never got the chance to say well done to him, so I'm doing it now.
200 match shots in two days is very intensive and tiring, but I'm sure the benefits will be apparent over the coming months.
Finally, well done to all who competed.0 -
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Just a few thoughts on the inaugural Midlands weekend aggregate.
First, didn't talk to anyone who didn't think it was a great idea (had to get that out of the way first). Everyone enjoyed it immensely and took something positive away from the experience.
Shooting at 100 yards took a little getting used to, but most people improved on the second day (although some who will remain nameless had a nice calm detail on Saturday). There sure is a lot of wind from 50m out to 100 yards :eek:.
Numbers need to be higher. It was organised so that people could always find a free firing point, but there tended to be a predomination at one distance or another which made it a bit unbalanced.
Pre-booking of details needs to be implemented for the next time and a longer run in for entries. Indeed there could be entries from the UK if it were advertised there, as it's great value for money.
A few more volunteers would help take some of the load off the Midlands lads who were swamped with work at times. Also at least a second stats officer so that one person isn't stuck all weekend going blind from staring at targets. Electronic targets would be great .
I hadn't seen the new layout for 50m on the Gehmann boxes, but I was absolutely gobsmacked at the work done on that range. The target gallery was an absolutely fantastic bit of work which I believe is down to ezridax, I never got the chance to say well done to him, so I'm doing it now.
200 match shots in two days is very intensive and tiring, but I'm sure the benefits will be apparent over the coming months.
Finally, well done to all who competed.
If you only knew the sheer amount of manhours Ezridax and co have put in free gratis.
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »If you only knew the sheer amount of manhours Ezridax and co have put in free gratis.
Legends
I've done a small amount of work improving DURC and rrpc has worked on improving the range in Rathdrum. Anyone who has done even a little bit of work maintaining or improving a range can tell that there was a massive amount of work put into the Midlands ranges.0 -
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Well, we've run nationals up there before... but that wouldn't help the numbers in MidlandsIt wasn't me! wrote: »It's a question of facilities. We don't have them. We could do it in Comber or the like, but that's it. 0 -
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For a start we could advertise it in 'The Rifleman' (NSRA mag) which would reach the UK guys and start from there. If you started at 8am, you could run seven 60 shot details up to 18:30. That's 70 through in a day with ten firing points. Not too shabbyIt wasn't me! wrote: »That'll be nice alright, but I'd be very surprised if many more people started travelling. 0 -
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Good and all as it sounds, you're supposed to fire on the same range if it's to be a proper fair matchThere are loads of 50m Prone Ranges, with ten firing points a piece, all around the country,
Eagles,
DRC,
BRC,
ECSC,
MNSCI
FRC
that's 60 firing points right there.. BRC and DRC have 8 apiece btw and ECSC has a max of 9; the bays are just a bit too narrow to squeeze 4 in. Fermoy has a 40' container for 50m prone rifle so it's the same as DRC; though you could try shooting from under the benches on the BR range at a pinch. :eek:
If you know of a 50m or 100 yard indoor range, I'm all earsWhereas they all have covered firing points you would have to deal with the rounds travelling through the dreaded "outside" with unponderables such as "wind" and "air".
It's actually a tarmac 'road' that's used as a firing point. I've shot on it many times; nice and cushy for the elbowsI've seen 200 people shooting Prone in Bisley, just lying in a line in a field..
If you've got the numbers, there's always a means to do it. For example you could run an extra day and seggregate classes so that each class shoots together and thus has equality of conditions.If it's that they want to come here for a big shoot then you can do it - if it's that you want them to go somewhere specific for a shoot - you can't do it.
B'Man
I think getting 50-70 would be achievable in the short term, once you get there I doubt it would be too much of an imposition to enlarge the facilities. Midlands has another 50m range with capacity for an extra 8-10 firing points. The 100 yards could be expanded into the 200 yard range easily by just moving the target line forwards.
Wouldn't it be great to have such problems? 0 -
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They're an excuse for already competing shooters; they're a reason for potential new shooters. And they're mostly yanked from what we learnt in seminars from crowds like Volunteer Ireland - and are pretty well-known at this point. Biggest thing to turn off a volunteer is not knowing what they're getting into in some detail; next biggest thing is not seeing why they'd get into it in the first place (which is counter-intuitive, I thought it'd be the other way round, but there you go).the reasons listed by Sparks above are more excuse than reason.
The electronics have been a bit of a success for this, mind, and if we pushed them a bit more, had more photos/video of them in use so the new shooters could see what they could be trying, as well as a few videos of lads shooting on a pleasant-looking range on a warm sunny day... well that's motivation right there
There'd be noone range officering or stats officering either, they'd be too busy handling all the complaints from Paddy and Mick who drew the "wrong" range to compete on and therefore couldn't possibly beat Tom and Harry who drew the "easy" range to shoot on...PLUS.....
....there'd be no-one from Ireland actually shooting, because they'd be needed to run this nationwide event!
You know, that really is step one - run the thing againSo let's hope this event becomes an annual one. 0 -
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Actually, that's easy enough (at least for DURC, not sure what UCD's experience is like) - club championships and club matches there tended to range from busy to full while I was there. It's convincing college students to give up the weekend they're working on to come in at 0800 and pack gear and pile into someone else's car (dunno 'bout you but my student days didn't include being given a car and I damn sure never had enough money to buy oneI am not talking about trying to convince college students to drive to the ends of the country to shoot matches - as you say it is hard enough to get them to go to a match downstairs in the college when they only have to bring a membership[ card. ) and go to somewhere they've never been before to do something they're not sure they're any good at against people they've never met in a place they've never been.
From a volunteerism point of view, it's a genuinely nontrivial task.
But that's not a large PR60 match, that's two medium-size matches happening concurrently, and you can't even share range personnel or resources the way you can for class matches.Have PR60 Events and have Sporting Rifle events. That way you attract people from both codes.
That's what I meant by cash prizes. But most people just think that they can't win against Paddy or Joe or Mick and so don't want to pay entry fees with cash prizes because they think they might as well just give the prize to Paddy and cut out the middleman.As to charging more to make bigger trophies - I think people would prefer a smaller medal and more money in their arse pocket to buy ammo- but that's just me.
Of course, there's always sponsorship. If DURC can get a Shilen barrel for a prize just by asking via email, it can't be competely impossible to do.0 -
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