Tipperary v Kilkenny / All Ireland Final 2010

tom thum

so what are your thoughts about this match?

ShamoBuc

With Henry missing - toss of a coin I think. The only wat to beat this KK team is to score goals against them - Tip have proven capable of doing this when it matters. Would love Tip to stop them doing the 5 in a row. Whoever gets the slice of luck will win. Last year KK got the luck, this year hopefully it's Tips turn

zinx

ShamoBuc wrote: »

With Henry missing - toss of a coin I think. The only wat to beat this KK team is to score goals against them - Tip have proven capable of doing this when it matters. Would love Tip to stop them doing the 5 in a row. Whoever gets the slice of luck will win. Last year KK got the luck, this year hopefully it's Tips turn[/QUOTE
Luck has nothing to do with it.Winners make their own luck.
Kilkenny will not play as bad against them this time out and for that reason KK will win and win well.

aislingryan93

does anyone have tickets? I'm looking for 4 but will take what I can get would be happy with two.

ShamoBuc

Zinx ....Luck has nothing to do with it.Winners make their own luck.
Kilkenny will not play as bad against them this time out and for that reason KK will win and win well.[/QUOTE]

The ref made a bad call near the end and kk benefited to the tune of a goal - that was good luck for KK and bad luck for Tip.
KK will not play as bad again - !?! Do you have the lotto numbers aswell??

teednab-el

ShamoBuc wrote: »

The ref made a bad call near the end and kk benefited to the tune of a goal - that was good luck for KK and bad luck for Tip.
KK will not play as bad again - !?! Do you have the lotto numbers aswell??

your dead right....Richie Power took 9-10 steps without EVEN playing the ball and the referee calls a penalty for a Tipperary foul. You cant get any luckier than that IMO. And Tommy Dunne blew it also. Tipp were the better team that day and it was unbelievable that they didnt win the All Ireland. As a Corkman..That game kinda reminded me of the 2003 All Ireland final. Cork were the better team that day and somehow failed to win.

jkbrackens11

Kilkenny weren't allowed play that day because Tipp stood upto them and hopefully they turn the tide this time around.

Leroy Lita

bring on Kilkenny ta fu.ck!!h'on Tipp!!

Leroy Lita

jkbrackens11 wrote: »

Kilkenny weren't allowed play that day because Tipp stood upto them and hopefully they turn the tide this time around.

good man JKB11;)

Professey Chin

Anyone any idea who the ref will be?
Kinda strange that the last 4 years have only had 2 refs

allthedoyles

This was my recording of that fateful day last September - Surely KK have now used up those 9 lives


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asg_AjpTITY

caesar

As a neutral at last year’s game I was waiting for Kilkenny to get that goal however they got and when they did they tore Tipp apart, maybe that’s not a fair comment but they certainly uped it a notch. They won by five points in the end.

I only watched the highlights there two weeks ago on the free dvd from one of the papers and I felt that while the Dunne incident was significant it didn’t completely turn the game. In fact, as far as I remember Tipp put the next point on the board. Yes, the penalty decision was important but I dunno I just had the feeling that Kilkenny were going to get a goal. Personally I think Kilkenny deserved it on the day....over the 70 odd minutes not 62

Anyway that was then and this is now. I think Kilkenny are only too delighted to get Tipp because they have their chance to put to bed all the talk about Tipp "handing" it to them last year. And of course Tipp know their well able for them so it should make for a cracking final. I hope Sheflin is back however unlikely it seems because any true Tipp fan would want to beat Kilkenny at their best.

As for the result, I can't see past Kilkenny. Kilkenny won’t be under any illusions though, Tipperary are a fine team. That full forward line could prove to be a handful.

Diabhal Beag

I can still see Kilkenny winning. Tommy Walsh or no Tommy Walsh.

dotsflan

I can see kilkenny going for goals early here and trying to kill the game early on in typical cody style, they didnt seem to try this last year but we all know what happens when they get goals early on, but if tipp can ride out the storm early then they have a brilliant chance to get a grip on the game and go on and win it. But my gut feeling is that kilkenny will get the early goals, waterford never put up much of a test to the tipp full back line but galway did and they conceded three goals. Kilkenny to win by 8/9 pts IMO

mysillyusername

It wasn't just KK getting an easy penalty last year. Tipp had 3 goal chances and failed to take them..they had the game there for the winning....

I think tipp are the one team that can beat KK..but bring it on..go KK

Owen101

If this, if that, bla bla bla de bla..the short answer is Kilkenny are going to go through Tipp for a short cut. Not only have KK the best 15, they also have the 2nd best 15 in the b team! This match will be all over bar the shouting in about eight and a half minutes courtesy of Eddie and Richie. Would also be amazed if Henry Shefflin doesnt start or the very least on the bench. All the speculation is classic smoke and mirrors.

Keano

Would also be amazed if Henry Shefflin doesnt start or the very least on the bench. All the speculation is classic smoke and mirrors.

Kilkenny/Cody doesn't carry on with that sort of stuff.

Min

Kilkenny have improved a lot on last year, a lot of people talking about last year but Kilkenny are back in 2008 mode. Tipperary would need to be a lot better than they were in the 2009 final.

cson

Owen101 wrote: »

Would also be amazed if Henry Shefflin doesnt start or the very least on the bench. All the speculation is classic smoke and mirrors.

The magic GAA water doesn't quite reduce cruciate recovery times to 5 weeks unfortunately.

MfMan

Owen101 wrote: »

If this, if that, bla bla bla de bla..the short answer is Kilkenny are going to go through Tipp for a short cut. Not only have KK the best 15, they also have the 2nd best 15 in the b team! This match will be all over bar the shouting in about eight and a half minutes courtesy of Eddie and Richie. Would also be amazed if Henry Shefflin doesnt start or the very least on the bench. All the speculation is classic smoke and mirrors.

I'd be amazed if all 6 selected forwards for KK the next day finish the game; has Brennan finished a game in this year's c'ship? Larkin, Fogarty (Cork game apart), Comerford can all be ordinary enough. KK are quite properly a super team but their real strength is in midfield and the half-back line - their forwards IMHO can be quite vulnerable, esp. without Shefflin to make the play.

Mushy

Do honestly think Tipp can do it this time.

El Vino

Amazing team Kilkenny, was surprised how close Tipp got to them last year as I was expecting the worst, as experienced by Waterford and Limerick teams against them in finals. I also have huge respect for Cody and the team which is why I believe that the Sheflin injury isn't smoke and mirrors.

They have demoralised the current Cork panel to such an extent I almost felt sorry for John Gardiner trying to talk up Corks chances before their match in 2008, you could see from his body language he had no appetite for facing them.

Everything will need to go right for Tipp and they need goals maybe 3. It's still a long shot even with injuries but this Kilkenny team will be beaten eventually.

Owen101

Owen101 wrote: »

If this, if that, bla bla bla de bla..the short answer is Kilkenny are going to go through Tipp for a short cut. Not only have KK the best 15, they also have the 2nd best 15 in the b team! This match will be all over bar the shouting in about eight and a half minutes courtesy of Eddie and Richie. Would also be amazed if Henry Shefflin doesnt start or the very least on the bench. All the speculation is classic smoke and mirrors.

Welcome to boards mystic meg :rolleyes: To be honest KK have a great panel no manner who they start but thats not for Tipp to be concerned about. ye can speculate between yourselves who will start or who wont, i couldnt care less to be honest. tipp have weathered fantastic forward lines this year and while there is always room for improvement i have faith that we'll weather the storm and may even cook up one or two of our own

Keano

Mushy wrote: »

Do honestly think Tipp can do it this time.

You know I feel the same. No idea why, as KK are as good as any year but I think Tipp can take them.

Mushy

Keano A Legend wrote: »

You know I feel the same. No idea why, as KK are as good as any year but I think Tipp can take them.

I've had gut feelings on things before and they've turned out right. Wales grand slam in 2006 (I think), Inter Milan Champs League last year...of course didnt bet cos told they'd both be the ultimate waste of money. This gut feelng has been going on long time, this is it!

Clare Bear

Just like football (where thankfully the favourites are well gone) this year I really hope that Tipp win this. If for the interest in the game more than anything else. If any team can bet Kilkenny it will be Tipp. I have a lot of respect for Kilkenny, they're in a league of their own but I'd like to see someone else win for a change. It will be a hard battle and probably a close call but I think Tipp can do it.

killbillvol2

If these teams played 10 times KK would win 8 or 9 of the games. But it's a huge game for KK this year. No matter how well Cody will prepare them the weight of history can have an effect. That and the injuries might just give Tipp a chance.

On the other hand, the KK team won't be listening to the sh1te being talked by their supporters and know how to close out a tight game. They could also run riot with a couple of breaks of the ball. And Tipp bottled it last year...have they the balls to win it this year if it's there for them late in the game?

Hopefully it'll all be in the balance with 10 minutes to go and we'll be talking about what a great game it was afterwards.

Owen101

Owen101 wrote: »

If this, if that, bla bla bla de bla..the short answer is Kilkenny are going to go through Tipp for a short cut.

Dont be so stupid the quickest way to Dublin is either through the m8 off Durrow or the m9 off carlow or even more alternatively take the n77/78 through Comer, Athy......nowhere near Co tipperary surely ye know that by now....STOOPID!!!!

adrian522

Ref for the final is apparently Wadding of Waterford.

OK choice, sometimes a little over fussy but OK in general.

Keano

adrian522 wrote: »

Ref for the final is apparently Wadding of Waterford.

OK choice, sometimes a little over fussy but OK in general.

Over fussy is ok as long as he is consistent no one will mind.

cateye

In my honest opinion Tipperary did not win last year because they didnt take the goal chances that were presented to them . If brennan, power or shefflin had the chances that callinan and kelly had they would have been green flags and match won. Kilkenny got two chances in the second half and took them. match over

Kilkenny have been moving on a different level this year. Tipps midfield and half forward line will not get the space and time on the ball that they got against waterford. They also gave away a lot of needless frees to waterford. They constantly fouled mullane. There are a lot more danger men in the kilkenny forward unit. How can they counteract this???.

Luck plays a part in a lot of all irelands but i think Kilkenny will win this with a bit to spare especially with Shefflin not togging out in the dressing room beforehand.
Can you imagine the motivation to do it for him.

Tipperary are saying they are the bogey team for Kilkenny.
Certainty that was true in the sixties.
Kilkenny supporters say they should have won the 91 against tipp in the all ireland due to that lucky deflected goal that was never a free in the first place!!!!. But i disagree as kilkenny had enough possession in that match to win but didnt take their chances and so didnt deserve to win . The same as tipp last year.

Tipp have won only four all irelands in 40 years.Kilkenny have won 15 .they have only have beaten kilkenny once in that time whilst kilkenny have beaten them the last three times in big championship games in the last decade alone.

Kilkenny do not fear the tipp men and will be out to prove a point that last year was no fluke and so cement there place in history as the best hurling team ever.

teednab-el

cateye wrote: »

Kilkenny do not fear the tipp men and will be out to prove a point that last year was no fluke and so cement there place in history as the best hurling team ever.

We will see whats in store for 2010. Tipp are out to get ye. We will leave the hurling do the talking.

Gerard.C

"One in a row"

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mags85

adrian522 wrote: »

Ref for the final is apparently Wadding of Waterford.

OK choice, sometimes a little over fussy but OK in general.

As long as its not Barry Kelly I don't mind.

Owen101

Keano A Legend wrote: »

Kilkenny/Cody doesn't carry on with that sort of stuff.

...but they try everything else to somehow shoehorn themselves in as underdogs, talking themselves down etc. Cody does this year after year and its pure guff, almost laughable. Same sh1te talk again this year no doubt! Paddy power as of 18/08 - Kilkenny now 3/1 on. 2/1 on, before they embarrassed Cork, seemed reasonable value now.

adrian522

Owen101 wrote: »

...but they try everything else to somehow shoehorn themselves in as underdogs, talking themselves down etc. Cody does this year after year and its pure guff, almost laughable. Same sh1te talk again this year no doubt! Paddy power as of 18/08 - Kilkenny now 3/1 on. 2/1 on, before they embarrassed Cork, seemed reasonable value now.

I'm sure you have a point I just don't know what it is...Kilkenny are favourites? Big deal? GAA mamager talks up opposition, of course nobody else does that?

Keano

Owen101 wrote: »

...but they try everything else to somehow shoehorn themselves in as underdogs, talking themselves down etc. Cody does this year after year and its pure guff, almost laughable. Same sh1te talk again this year no doubt! Paddy power as of 18/08 - Kilkenny now 3/1 on. 2/1 on, before they embarrassed Cork, seemed reasonable value now.

There is a difference between talking up the opposition and telling fibs. Cody will name his starting 15 and that will be the starting 15.

Owen101

adrian522 wrote: »

I'm sure you have a point I just don't know what it is...Kilkenny are favourites? Big deal? GAA mamager talks up opposition, of course nobody else does that?

Point is Kilkenny will win the match inside 10 minutes and there's no need for Coady to talk up the opposition.

Owen101

Keano A Legend wrote: »

There is a difference between talking up the opposition and telling fibs. Cody will name his starting 15 and that will be the starting 15.

Sure. Will be interesting to read your excuse when the team is announced to include Shefflin. Looking forward to 5th September.

adrian522

Owen101 wrote: »

Point is Kilkenny will win the match inside 10 minutes and there's no need for Coady to talk up the opposition.

No they won't, no offence but you don't seem to know a whole lot about the sport if you think the game will be over within 10 minutes.

Cody (note the spelling) always respects the opposition and as such is only saying what he thinks when "talking up the opposition"

liammur

I suspect KK will win this one, but with the 4 point handicap i'd side with tipp. It's going to be that close.

adrian522

adrian522 wrote: »

Ref for the final is apparently Wadding of Waterford.

OK choice, sometimes a little over fussy but OK in general.

So Kilkenny can put Diarmuid Kirwan beside Shefflin in the absentee list?

adrian522

Deleted User wrote: »

So Kilkenny can put Diarmuid Kirwan beside Shefflin in the absentee list?

Jaysus will ye never get over it, ye'll be complaining about it for decades at this rate...

you'd swear Tipp never won an AI due to a dodgy decision...oh wait!!

adrian522

adrian522 wrote: »

Jaysus will ye never get over it, ye'll be complaining about it for decades at this rate...

you'd swear Tipp never won an AI due to a dodgy decision...oh wait!!

Just a bit of tongue in cheek humour before the big game.

teednab-el

Gerard.C wrote: »

"One in a row"

UP THE PREMIER

The good old words of Donal Og Grady.

Keano

Owen101 wrote: »

Sure. Will be interesting to read your excuse when the team is announced to include Shefflin. Looking forward to 5th September.

What planet are you on? You seriously believe Sheflin is 100% fit and it is one big conspiracy theory?

Ricardo G

Would love to see Tipp winning this but tbh i cant see it, they beat a very very bad Waterford side by only 7 points !! I know Tipp will say ''last year we were just unlucky'' but Cody planning to show Tipp they were'nt unlucky, Kilkenny will up the anti and win by 7/8 points imo.

aidan24326

Ricardo G wrote: »

Would love to see Tipp winning this but tbh i cant see it, they beat a very very bad Waterford side by only 7 points !!

I can't see Tipp winning it either, but I wouldn't say they beat a very bad Waterford team. They beat a decent Waterford team and beat them comfortably enough, that's as much as you could have asked of them.

If Shefflin and Tommy Walsh aren't playing that does make it a bit more interesting. We're always hearing about Kilkenny's great panel and how their 'B' team is the second best team in the country and all of this stuff. Well their strength in depth might be put to the test now. If they can beat Tipp without arguably the two best hurlers in the country then we may all just give up and go home. Kilkenny have been operating on another level but whatever about T Walsh I do feel they will be weaker without Shefflin, as he leads the forward line and his influence and experience there will be sorely missed.

djScarey

Good point, Aidan. Kilkenny forwards seem to excel only when Henry is around. They have not been so hot without Henry in the League eg. They still fired a bit after Shefflin was injured v Cork, but not enough to sustain scoring supremacy for the remainder of the match. This is no doubt a big big concern for Kilkenny management and the backs will need to be on the top of their game, as there will not be the usual freefall of scores when Henry is around.

existential

Shefflin and Tommy Walsh out really evens the playing field imo. We all know that Kilkenny have an abundance of quality on the benches, but you take the top two players out of any team and you still weaken it. With Shefflin and Walsh I'd definitely say Kilkenny to win but without I'm not so sure.

Tipperary have an exceptional full forward line in Kelly, Corbett, and McGrath and I believe they can get possibly get 3 or 4 goals if things go their way on the day. Certainly not a guaranteed Kilkenny win as some seem to think. An intriguing game and hard to call.

adrian522

Lads tommy walsh is playing the final, bruised shoulder but nothing too serious.

I still think they have very able subs on every line of the field, Kavanagh, Ryall, Lyng, R. Hogan, Comerford.
I think Tipp will need goals to win, something they didnt get last year though they had plenty of chances..

Tough one to call but I think Kilkenny by 3 or 4,