A really big crash

Our man in Havana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr0YQtmzpJ0

No one stopped to assist.

Big Nasty

They probably heard the ****e he had on the radio and decided to keep on going!

Hope nobody was killed.

Scuid Mhór

that was pretty hardcore.

GTE

It can happy so easily and simply.

The Big Red Button

That's terrifying.

Do you know if the person/people in the car survived?

Esel

A lot of crap on the road at that point - seems to be the cause.

stealthyspeeder

in case anyones interested.... the date stamp at the top of the vid is wrong, I watched that vid in 2009 without the datestamp

Gumbo

just backs up the idea that incar recording is useful.
i'd love a decent set uo in my motor.

peasant

seems to be driving over a steel pipe or something, which then flips, gets stuck in the road and launches the back of the car in the air


Edit ..there it is, the bugger, tumbling about after the impact

-Corkie-

kceire wrote: »

just backs up the idea that incar recording is useful.
i'd love a decent set uo in my motor.

+1 I think they are around 150. Cormie that posts here has one. They will go way down in price in a year or so. I would love one as well.

Muckie

Jesus, that does make the heart stop for a second.
You just never know. Bought a Mini DV M80 Camera off
ebay recently €24 delivered and all. Records like the one above.

opinion guy

Haddockman wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr0YQtmzpJ0

No one stopped to assist.

Would it have been safe to stop and start running about the place ?
I ask because on the M1 one time I came across a van that had somehow just turned over - it must have happened no less than a minute before I got there and I first noticed something was up when a bunch of cars were suddenly and dangerously pulling in to the hard shoulder to help. Then I saw the overturned van as I was almost level with it (it had been blocked from my view by other vehicles). Then I wanted to stop but I realised it wasn't safe so I didn't. But I pulled in as quick as I could (was doing 120kph). At that point it didn't seem safe to walk back what with people pulling in suddenly and people still doing 120kph so I just phoned it in to the emergency services. Anyhow point is it may not have been safe for any of those people to stop - there doesn't seem to be a hard shoulder for example

SARASON wrote: »

+1 I think they are around 150. Cormie that posts here has one. They will go way down in price in a year or so. I would love one as well.

Why ?

-Corkie-

opinion guy wrote: »

Why ?

With demand like all other electronics. Muckie just posted there. He got one for 24 euro.

vectra

Muckie wrote: »

Jesus, that does make the heart stop for a second.
You just never know. Bought a Mini DV M80 Camera off
ebay recently €24 delivered and all. Records like the one above.

Link and sample vid please??
Am interested in getting something myself.
Cheers

opinion guy

SARASON wrote: »

With demand like all other electronics. Muckie just posted there. He got one for 24 euro.

Sorry I meant why do you want one ?
I'd never even thought of such a thing until just now

Abelloid

kceire wrote: »

just backs up the idea that incar recording is useful.
i'd love a decent set uo in my motor.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055935996

Under a tenner and will record 1/2 hour files at a time, I've used it loads on the road, mounted both inside and outside the car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a55a9_XKFBI

-Corkie-

opinion guy wrote: »

Sorry I meant why do you want one ?
I'd never even thought of such a thing until just now

Well number 1 I am a gadget freak.:D

Number 2 with the useless drivers we have here I think its money well spent to record some of these things. We could have a More obnoxious driving thread!!;). Think of the craic we would have then!!

Our man in Havana

It would be handy for evidence in the event of legal proceedings.

seensensee

ooh ooh iee ling ling ling... the silver car in the fast lane saw it coming too :eek:

-Corkie-

Haddockman wrote: »

It would be handy for evidence in the event of legal proceedings.

Ya the one cormie has records speed and location via gps. At least you could prove your speed in the event of a collision on a narrow road. Some guy posted here months ago saying he was going to import them in bulk and sell them to us but I never heard anything since...:)

bada_bing

jaysus shocking vid. does anyone know what country it happened in??

wandatowell

WOW that silver car had a lucky escape

Muckie

vectra wrote: »

Link and sample vid please??
Am interested in getting something myself.
Cheers

Thats the one above alrite. Its a great little gadet.

Battery needs to be fully charged up. Haven't made any cool
ids yet :pac:, but am going to Mondello with my Subaru buddies
so will make some then .

Our man in Havana

http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/mini-video-recorder-with-incar-mounting-stand/

podgee

SARASON wrote: »

Some guy posted here months ago saying he was going to import them in bulk and sell them to us but I never heard anything since...:)

That was me - haven't done anything about it yet - long finger and all that. I have been testing two different types. It'll happen one day...

This one isn't great - a very late amber gambler from Friday night..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTm7lUQV1XU

Podgee

Vertakill

bada_bing wrote: »

jaysus shocking vid. does anyone know what country it happened in??

The language sounds Mandarin so I'm guessing China.


Some truck probably lost part of what it was carrying and left that pipe on the ground. Bloody lethal.

Hit a rock outside a quarry in the same vein and it ripped my exhaust part. Luckily the car didn't pop up like this unfortunate persons.

opinion guy

Haddockman wrote: »

It would be handy for evidence in the event of legal proceedings.

Hmmm seems like the could be a curse as well as a blessing !!

smemon

seems to me like nobody tried to slow down - look at that silver car... it would have seen the dust / crash ahead yet appeared to speed up or at least maintain speed and got lucky...

ok, if you're travelling at 120km/hr you're not going to stop quickly, but surely if you see a car in front wobble or hit something and lose control you slam on the brakes anticipating it's going to cross lanes?

in that video, not one car hit the brakes despite there clearly being debris all over the place BEFORE that crash...

JCL

vectra wrote: »

Link and sample vid please??
Am interested in getting something myself.
Cheers

These guys do them and are worth a call.
http://www.xdrivenie.com/

seamus

smemon wrote: »

seems to me like nobody tried to slow down - look at that silver car... it would have seen the dust / crash ahead yet appeared to speed up or at least maintain speed and got lucky...

Mob mentality - people generally assume that if there are lots of other people around, someone else will stop or has stopped and that their own personal contribution will not be useful. There's quite a delay between the crash happening and the first car passing by, so it's possible that no-one else saw the actual crash or at least didn't see the scale of it.

peasant

There is a van on the other carriageway that actually stops and the truck driver can be seen shouting to them.

Not sure if it would be such a wise idea to stop at the scene of the accident.

The truck is stopped in the overtaking lane and that will create quite a hairy situation for any traffic in that lane, fast approaching this obstacle.

Without the scene of the accident being secured from behind, stopping in the hard shoulder or driving lane will create a bottleneck that would most likely lead to more accidents.

Basically the whole traffic coming from behind would have to be stopped to make it safe

Matt Simis

Vertakill wrote: »

Hit a rock outside a quarry in the same vein and it ripped my exhaust part. Luckily the car didn't pop up like this unfortunate persons.

But it hit the back of the car the same, maybe the difference between FWD and RWD, the saloon (assuming its FWD) in the vid was still being pulled and steered by the Front wheels with zero traction on the rear. In your car the RWD was powering the car and the front steering, loosing the rear for a split-second means a loss of power, not an increase like a FWD.


Also, this appears to be China, their Chinese special domestic vehicles are generally quite poor in many regards aside from their cloned looks.

peasant

Matt Simis wrote: »

But it hit the back of the car the same, maybe the difference between FWD and RWD, the saloon (assuming its FWD) in the vid was still being pulled and steered by the Front wheels with zero traction on the rear. In your car the RWD was powering the car and the front steering, loosing the rear for a split-second means a loss of power, not an increase like a FWD.

Nothing to do with FWD or RWD. This object, pipe or girder or whatever it was, was stood on its end underneath the car, digging into the road and into the car at the same time. That lifted the rear of the car clear off the ground and as it didn't lever right in the middle of the car, it also threw it sideways.

Not much the driver could have done in that situation, you'd need to be lightning fast in your reactions to get that back under control.

Aslo, quite possibly that object did some serious damage to the rear axle/brakes when it hit, making it even more difficult to get the car back under control

EDIT ...yepp, just looked at it again ...right rear wheel seems to have lost most of its support and is just flapping about, throwing the car completely off balance

plissken

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Hope nobody was killed.

Judging by the reaction of the driver of the lorry/bus who walks from the crashed car after briefly looking inside the cabin, I can only assume no one inside the car could be saved. Would love to be proven wrong however.

Matt Simis

peasant wrote: »

Nothing to do with FWD or RWD. This object, pipe or girder or whatever it was, was stood on its end underneath the car, digging into the road and into the car at the same time. That lifted the rear of the car clear off the ground and as it didn't lever right in the middle of the car, it also threw it sideways.

You are probably right, but Id like to see a test like this with RWD, AWD and FWD. There has to be a significant difference between them all as we are talking about the difference between driven wheels leaving the ground and not.

opinion guy

smemon wrote: »

seems to me like nobody tried to slow down - look at that silver car... it would have seen the dust / crash ahead yet appeared to speed up or at least maintain speed and got lucky...

ok, if you're travelling at 120km/hr you're not going to stop quickly, but surely if you see a car in front wobble or hit something and lose control you slam on the brakes anticipating it's going to cross lanes?

in that video, not one car hit the brakes despite there clearly being debris all over the place BEFORE that crash...

Its really obvious to me that the cars did slow down. Also the sivler car maintained speed. The crashed car was in deceleration from the time of impact as was the bus - this is why the silver car appears to speed up. I doubt the driver in the silver car even had time to react in any meaningful way given that he probably thought at the initial impact with the pipe that the crashed car went away from him and then bounced back at high speed.

seamus wrote: »

Mob mentality - people generally assume that if there are lots of other people around, someone else will stop or has stopped and that their own personal contribution will not be useful. There's quite a delay between the crash happening and the first car passing by, so it's possible that no-one else saw the actual crash or at least didn't see the scale of it.

I said it earlier but no way would it have been safe to stop with all that debris around. Also the bus may have obstructed people's view. There is no hard shoulder. The only safe stopping spot would have against the median barrier just after the crash. And even that wouldn't be safe - just mildly less dangerous. I honestly don't think anyone should have stopped unless they had useful skills like being a doctor, fireman or off duty cop. They all should phone it in thou. They did all slow down - I don't konw how people can't see that.

seamus

opinion guy wrote: »

There is no hard shoulder. The only safe stopping spot would have against the median barrier just after the crash. And even that wouldn't be safe - just mildly less dangerous. I honestly don't think anyone should have stopped unless they had useful skills like being a doctor, fireman or off duty cop. They all should phone it in thou.

I dunno, maybe it's just me. There's a hard shoulder there, albeit not a big one. You could pull across the grass to give yourself extra room.

If there's someone in need of urgent assistance, then I don't think it's right to say that you should leave it to a cop, doctor or fireman. One mightn't get to the scene for twenty minutes. I agree totally that it might not safe, and crossing a motorway on foot is no picnic, but I would rather put myself at that risk than just leave someone to die.

That said, from the demeanour of the camera car's driver, it looks like the other driver was well brown bread. There was no panic or urgency in him at all.

opinion guy

seamus wrote: »

I dunno, maybe it's just me. There's a hard shoulder there, albeit not a big one. You could pull across the grass to give yourself extra room.

If there's someone in need of urgent assistance, then I don't think it's right to say that you should leave it to a cop, doctor or fireman. One mightn't get to the scene for twenty minutes. I agree totally that it might not safe, and crossing a motorway on foot is no picnic, but I would rather put myself at that risk than just leave someone to die.

That said, from the demeanour of the camera car's driver, it looks like the other driver was well brown bread. There was no panic or urgency in him at all.

Sorry you are right there is a hard shoulder. So maybe someone could stop. But I still have reservations about people stopping - principly because I've seen a very dangerous situation develop from people all stopping at once as I explained earlier. Stopping and trying to help may very well cause another crash - it happens. The first rule of first aid is to not put yourself or anyone else in danger before trying to help the stricken person. Obviously one can chose to endanger oneself if you wish. But if your parked car cause a further danger then I think thats irresponsible

daRobot

To me it looks like whatever that was that he drove over, blew out his rear tyre instantly and that's what sent him into the barrier.

Vertakill

peasant wrote: »

Nothing to do with FWD or RWD. This object, pipe or girder or whatever it was, was stood on its end underneath the car, digging into the road and into the car at the same time. That lifted the rear of the car clear off the ground and as it didn't lever right in the middle of the car, it also threw it sideways.

Not much the driver could have done in that situation, you'd need to be lightning fast in your reactions to get that back under control.

Aslo, quite possibly that object did some serious damage to the rear axle/brakes when it hit, making it even more difficult to get the car back under control

EDIT ...yepp, just looked at it again ...right rear wheel seems to have lost most of its support and is just flapping about, throwing the car completely off balance

Yeah, it seems the right rear tire blew on impact, and god only knows what happened to the whole wheel.

My car bobbed up the air too but my wheels were all untouched and it didn't pull in any direction like in this video thankfully. Or maybe the fright of hitting something at that speed made the driver jolt their steering wheel? Who knows.


I think the car that crashed was going a bit too fast as well. If anything like a blow out happens at that speed, you're going to be very very lucky to keep the car on the road.

The object is pretty distinctive in that it's raised off the ground and it's a different color to the motorway (my infamous quarry rock was disguised with the road with dust etc:))

I'd say they were possibly going too fast to notice this in time.

the_syco

What looks like the main cause for the crash was a poor reaction. When the wheel went, the car swerved, and hit the wall. If it tried to swerve, the driver may have had some chance, but once it hit the barrier at that angle, it was game over.

From what I've heard, the safety tests in China for cars are very low, and thus I can't see anyone surviving that crash.

I.S.T.

seamus wrote: »

That said, from the demeanour of the camera car's driver, it looks like the other driver was well brown bread. There was no panic or urgency in him at all.

People are often very calm in a situation like that. It doesn't hit them until later.

SV

Speeding was clearly the problem here.
if he was going slower he would have seen the distraction.
:mad:

opinion guy

Gaybo is that you again !??!
How many re-reg's do yo have ?? :P

Cuddlesworth

Whole thing is about 1.5 seconds from pipe to barrier. You see the front wheels begin opposite lock about 1 second in, but way way too late. And in the middle of what looks like a fuel spill as well so they never stood a chance.

The whole area looks like the scene of a previous crash not cleaned up properly?

I.S.T.

SV wrote: »

Speeding was clearly the problem here.
if he was going slower he would have seen the distraction.
:mad:

What speed do you think he should have been doing in order to avoid the crash?

Vertakill

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

What speed do you think he should have been doing in order to avoid the crash?

As I said in my earlier post, the object on the road isn't exactly hidden. It's pretty large, it's a different color to the road and if the person was going at a normal speed I think they may have seen it.

They may or may not have been able to avoid it. Maybe they could've maneuvered around it or just slowed down enough for it to do less damage.... we'll never know.

But it's pretty clear that he was breaking the speed limit considering how fast he passes the camera vehicle, which looked to be going about 70mph.

I.S.T.

Vertakill wrote: »

As I said in my earlier post, the object on the road isn't exactly hidden. It's pretty large, it's a different color to the road and if the person was going at a normal speed I think they may have seen it.

They may or may not have been able to avoid it. Maybe they could've maneuvered around it or just slowed down enough for it to do less damage.... we'll never know.

But it's pretty clear that he was breaking the speed limit considering how fast he passes the camera vehicle, which looked to be going about 70mph.

In any case I don't believe you can tell the speed of any of the vehicles by just looking at the footage. You are just making assumptions.

opinion guy

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

In any case I don't believe you can tell the speed of any of the vehicles by just looking at the footage. You are just making assumptions.

Well if you knew the length of the white lines you might be able to work it out.

peasant

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

In any case I don't believe you can tell the speed of any of the vehicles by just looking at the footage. You are just making assumptions.

The bus and the camera truck/bus are doing between 80 and 100 km/h ..more likely 80 ish because after the crash the camera vehicle stops rather quickly.

From that I would assume that the car that had the accident is doing 120-140 km/h max.

This accident cannot be blamed on speed. This accident happened because there was a field of debris strewn all over the motorway and not cleaned up.

rob230te

To me it looks like the car is at the very left of the lane. Like he saw the object and tried to go over it with centre of car, thinking he'd clear it. I'd say if silver car had slowed it would have been a bigger accident. His speed saves him.