300 apply for job in Donegal filling station

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Gaz

There is a place called Muff ?

Cookie_Monster

Who wouldn't want a job filling in muff?

TheReverend

That is hilarious :P. In all seriousness how much would you make working at the filling station, unless it was over €250 a week not many people would bother from down here.

Cookie_Monster

8.65 and lets say 30 hours a week = 259.50 less tax etc

loobylou

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Who wouldn't want a job filling in muff?

Sounds like a great place to work, plenty of after work activities. http://www.muffdivingclub.ie/

D-Generate

I call bluff on this. Remember there was another story similar enough recently about a chipper which received a massive amount of applications too, I think it was in Donegal also. It is merely a way to get in to the papers and handy free advertising.

RichardAnd

D-Generate wrote: »

I call bluff on this. Remember there was another story similar enough recently about a chipper which received a massive amount of applications too, I think it was in Donegal also. It is merely a way to get in to the papers and handy free advertising.

I've seen it with a cinema in Gort, or somewhere in Galway anyway. 300 might be exaggerated but I wouldn't call bluff at all. Jobs are scarce and as my grandmother put it "everyone is going for everything now".

The_Honeybadger

loobylou wrote: »

Sounds like a great place to work, plenty of after work activities. http://www.muffdivingclub.ie/

LOL !! But seriously 259 euro for a 30 hour week and the dole is 196, also bear in mind it could effect other entitlements like rents supplement etc. Why would anybody bother, it's crazy. It may make sense for some young fella living at home who can only claim 100 euro to take this job, or somebody who's partner is already working and is not entitled to claim though.

The_Honeybadger

RichardAnd wrote: »

I've seen it with a cinema in Gort, or somewhere in Galway anyway. 300 might be exaggerated but I wouldn't call bluff at all. Jobs are scarce and as my grandmother put it "everyone is going for everything now".

An old job of mine was advertised about 4 months ago, pretty good job but nothing special. I still have friends within the company and one of them told me that they stopped taking applications after the first two days as they were totally overwhelmed with CV's. Granted this job paid alot more than min wage but still I'd have no trouble believing 300 applied.

SeaFields

The retailer i work for opened a new store at the end of last year. They received 3500 applications for 80 positions.

Sergeant

The central bank got 1500 applications for 60 graduate positions.

http://www.rte.ie/business/2010/0812/presswatch.html

jmayo

Sergeant wrote: »

The central bank got 1500 applications for 60 graduate positions.

http://www.rte.ie/business/2010/0812/presswatch.html

What the hell is our central bank doing with 60 graduate positions ?

I can't wait for the CB/IFSRA fans to educate me :rolleyes:
Of course somebody is going to tell me that they are self funded by levying the banks, etc.
Oh wait a minute who now owns most of the banks :rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster

jmayo wrote: »

What the hell is our central bank doing with 60 graduate positions ?

I can't wait for the CB/IFSRA fans to educate me :rolleyes:
Of course somebody is going to tell me that they are self funded by levying the banks, etc.
Oh wait a minute who now owns most of the banks :rolleyes:

to increase staff level so that they can actually enforce rules and turnover more stones on all the shady practices ala Quinn Direct. Advertising them as graduate positions allows for much lower pay levels and since everyone will apply anyway it makes no difference to them

Sergeant

jmayo wrote: »

What the hell is our central bank doing with 60 graduate positions ?

I can't wait for the CB/IFSRA fans to educate me :rolleyes:
Of course somebody is going to tell me that they are self funded by levying the banks, etc.
Oh wait a minute who now owns most of the banks :rolleyes:

To improve the level of regulation of our financial institutions. Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.


In fairness Matthew Elderfield said he needed more staff, younger, less institutionalised. And he doesn't strike me as a PS lackie.

hoyanto

SeaFields wrote: »

The retailer i work for opened a new store at the end of last year. They received 3500 applications for 80 positions.

No no now, stop trying to paint a picture against the agreed narrative here on the Boards.ie Irish Economy forum. Don't you know there are thousands of jobs out there and the simple fact is that everyone here knows that the 450,000 unemployed people (more like 650,000 if you include emigrants and those not entitled to any dole etc) simply do not want to work because our luxurious social welfare system stops people from taking up work.

I thought everyone got the memo?

Cookie_Monster

hoyanto wrote: »

I thought everyone got the memo?

they still have to apply for job to show "they're trying" to the dole office though

johnnyskeleton

I know that petrol station, it's called "TOP MUFF"!

jmayo

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

to increase staff level so that they can actually enforce rules and turnover more stones on all the shady practices ala Quinn Direct. Advertising them as graduate positions allows for much lower pay levels and since everyone will apply anyway it makes no difference to them

Hang on are these jobs in IFSRA or CB ?

Isn't ISFRA meant to be the regulatory arm (well at least it appears to at long last fulfill that objective regarding financial institutions since Elderfield took over) and the CB ehh does...
Oh yeah it looks after our currency...oh wait the ECB does most of that now...ehh wait got it, it prints the notes out in Sandyford.

Oh here we are from the Financial Regulators website :

The Central Bank’s responsibilties include surveillance of the strengths and vulnerabilities of the overall economy and financial system.

The Financial Regulator’s remit includes monitoring the financial soundness of individual institutions, in addition to wide-ranging consumer protection powers.

Didn't they do a fine job. :rolleyes:

FFS they should be sued for false advertising.

Can anyone provide figures for how many are now employed in CB & IFSRA in comparison to the days when we had our very own currency ?

Remember IFSRA were another qaungoe of sorts created during the Great Age of Quangoe Creation ala bertie's tenure in office.
It was spawned out of the CB back in 2003.

Sergeant wrote: »

To improve the level of regulation of our financial institutions. Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

In fairness Matthew Elderfield said he needed more staff, younger, less institutionalised. And he doesn't strike me as a PS lackie.

True enough Elderfield has been a breath of fresh air God bless him.

Also has added entertainment value of getting up the noses of gombeen gobdaws like "jack" neddy o'keefe. :rolleyes:

danbohan

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i dont think a single poster has agreed with you that benfits need to be cut , which just shows that the great disease of the tiger ie denial is alive and well .intersting times ahead me thinks

jmayo

danbohan wrote: »

i dont think a single poster has agreed with you that benfits need to be cut , which just shows that the great disease of the tiger ie denial is alive and well .intersting times ahead me thinks

The only time I want to hear that word "denial" used is when some guest presenter on No Frontiers is visit Egypt.

Benefits and the minimum wage will have to be slashed.

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Brussels Sprout

donegalfella wrote: »

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If you didn't want the emphasis to be on the number of applicants for a minimum wage job then you shouldn't have named the thread '300 apply for job in Donegal filling station'

ardmacha

The point of the thread, which appears to have been lost, is that the ratio of Northern to Southern applicants was 9:1, even though the filling station is in Co. Donegal.

If you draw a 10km radius around the location of the job, about 90% of the people would be in the North.

The welfare rates are relevant, but many people interested in this would be on the lower rate for young people.

mikemac

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donegalfella wrote: »

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The benefits are a factor of course.
But look at population centres.
Muff is in Donegal but just about. Not far from Derry, hell it's almost a suburb of Derry!

University of Ulster is nearby, this sort of job are ideal for students as late evenings and weekends are available.

If you advertise a job and around 90% of the locals are in Derry then of course you'll have 90% of applicants from there.

But this article went for the benefits angle instead.

johnnyskeleton

donegalfella wrote: »

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A much more plausible explanation is that Derry is about 2km away from Muff and has a population of about 100k. Buncrana is the nearest reasonable sized town in Donegal with a few thousand, and Letterkenny is about 20 miles away with about 15k people. So not surprising that a lot of applications came from the North.

Moreover, there have been a number of other articles like this where most of the applicants were presumably based in ROI, I think there were about 900 applications for a few jobs in centra that formed a queue all the way down grafton street a few years ago.

To prove your point you should show some minimum wage jobs that havent been filled in the South. That would certainly suggest that no one wants to do that work because the social welfare is too good. But just because some people feel that way doesn't mean that it is true for the whole country.

Finally, even if 1 in 10 applicants are from the north, that still means 30 or so applicants for 1 job from the ROI. Surely that if anything shows that despite high social welfare payments

danbohan wrote: »

i dont think a single poster has agreed with you that benfits need to be cut , which just shows that the great disease of the tiger ie denial is alive and well .intersting times ahead me thinks

Care to explain your logic there? No one has said that they shouldn't be cut either. Do you infer from that that Donegalfella is the only poster on the entire website who believes that social welfare should be cut, and that everyone else is living in tiger denial?

RichardAnd

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I think there were about 900 applications for a few jobs in centra that formed a queue all the way down grafton street a few years ago.

It was a Londis and 99% of them were foreigners, not Irish.

johnnyskeleton

RichardAnd wrote: »

It was a Londis and 99% of them were foreigners, not Irish.

That's a pretty specific percentage. How many of those 99% foreigners were not eligible for social welfare?

RichardAnd

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

That's a pretty specific percentage. How many of those 99% foreigners were not eligible for social welfare?

Well maybe I just counted them all and came up with that figure

No you're right, the reason they were all foreign was precisely because they weren't entitled to social welfare. I was merely stating a fact.

gleep

I know someone who applied for this job YESTERDAY! The guy in Top Muff(:) )told him the closing date was the 5th but to get his CV in today and he'll consider him. So....

This is a publicity stunt, but I wouldn't doubt the figures. And I have to agree with previous posters, about 90% of the population in a 5k radius of the station live in Derry. There are no major Southern towns nearby but thousands of Derry people living not far from the station.

johnnyskeleton

RichardAnd wrote: »

Well maybe I just counted them all and came up with that figure

No you're right, the reason they were all foreign was precisely because they weren't entitled to social welfare. I was merely stating a fact.

I don't think that is a fair assumption. It's not just Irish citizens who can get social welfare. Besides, even if there are more or even a lot more non nationals who want to work than Irish citizens who want to work, that doesn't mean that there aren't Irish citizens who do want to work.

danbohan

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

A much more plausible explanation is that Derry is about 2km away from Muff and has a population of about 100k. Buncrana is the nearest reasonable sized town in Donegal with a few thousand, and Letterkenny is about 20 miles away with about 15k people. So not surprising that a lot of applications came from the North.

Moreover, there have been a number of other articles like this where most of the applicants were presumably based in ROI, I think there were about 900 applications for a few jobs in centra that formed a queue all the way down grafton street a few years ago.

To prove your point you should show some minimum wage jobs that havent been filled in the South. That would certainly suggest that no one wants to do that work because the social welfare is too good. But just because some people feel that way doesn't mean that it is true for the whole country.

Finally, even if 1 in 10 applicants are from the north, that still means 30 or so applicants for 1 job from the ROI. Surely that if anything shows that despite high social welfare payments



Care to explain your logic there? No one has said that they shouldn't be cut either. Do you infer from that that Donegalfella is the only poster on the entire website who believes that social welfare should be cut, and that everyone else is living in tiger denial?

the first part of your post is denial as well , donegal has 30% unemployment i believe not sure what the figure for derry is ,if the unemployment assistance / benifit was same here as in the north i am sure that the number of aplications would ,1 be higher 2 equally split , i did not say everybody was in denial i said the majority of posters were not agreeing with donegalfella that it should be cut ,

GSF

The other point to note is that with an exchange rate of €1.22 at the moment (and the job being presumably paid in €'s not £'s) this post should be less attractive to someone living in NI because of the poor fx rate.

johnnyskeleton

danbohan wrote: »

the first part of your post is denial as well , donegal has 30% unemployment i believe not sure what the figure for derry is ,if the unemployment assistance / benifit was same here as in the north i am sure that the number of aplications would ,1 be higher 2 equally split , i did not say everybody was in denial i said the majority of posters were not agreeing with donegalfella that it should be cut ,

No its not it is simple geography. If a factory opened up in Dunboyne and 9 out of every 10 job applicants was from Dublin, you wouldn't say that the people of County Meath would rather be on the dole than work.

Even if benefits were the same and this encouraged more people to apply for this job, I still wouldn't expect there to be more or an equal amount of people from Donegal looking for this job.

But notwithstanding that, for your argument to hold water there would have to be 100% of applicants from the North and 0% of applicants in the South. You are basically saying that to be on the dole is better than to work minimum wage, so why did the 30 people from the South apply? They can't all be dole exempt.

Again, this is not denying that social welfare should be cut, I am just looking at the evidence that you are putting forward to do so and it is not very convincing. The reason social welfare needs to be cut is because we are spending too much money which we don't have on it.

Lockstep

The Radisson had 700 applicants for jobs during Race Week here in Galway.

I certainly wouldn't agree with DF claim that people have become lazy and welfare-dependant. There were people of every conceivable nationality, age and qualification working there.


Also, isn't Muff right on the border/beside Derry? Derry is the closest conurbation to it to my knowledge. Nearest town in Éire to is Buncrana, which has less than 3500 people.

Lockstep

GSF wrote: »

The other point to note is that with an exchange rate of €1.22 at the moment (and the job being presumably paid in €'s not £'s) this post should be less attractive to someone living in NI because of the poor fx rate.

Would've thought it'd be the opposite; work in Ireland (high wages), live in NI (cheaper cost of living)

I was working in Scotland for part of the summer and I got the raw deal; paid somewhat above the British minimum wage, having to return to Ireland to live off the money (which was more expensive)

If anything, working in Éire and living in NOrthern Ireland makes much more economic sense.

danbohan

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

No its not it is simple geography. If a factory opened up in Dunboyne and 9 out of every 10 job applicants was from Dublin, you wouldn't say that the people of County Meath would rather be on the dole than work.

Even if benefits were the same and this encouraged more people to apply for this job, I still wouldn't expect there to be more or an equal amount of people from Donegal looking for this job.

But notwithstanding that, for your argument to hold water there would have to be 100% of applicants from the North and 0% of applicants in the South. You are basically saying that to be on the dole is better than to work minimum wage, so why did the 30 people from the South apply? They can't all be dole exempt.

Again, this is not denying that social welfare should be cut, I am just looking at the evidence that you are putting forward to do so and it is not very convincing. The reason social welfare needs to be cut is because we are spending too much money which we don't have on it.

maybe the 30 people that applied are not on dole or eligble for it or maybe they would rather work even for less than they get on the dole ,bottom line is in most circumstances the dole in rep of ireland is equal or better to min wage when benifits such as rent etc added , both need to be reduced .the only evidence needed is look at this countrys borrowing rate etc , any arguments against cuts valid though they may be cannot be justified in this countrys perilious postion i thing we are in agreement on that

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johnnyskeleton

danbohan wrote: »

maybe the 30 people that applied are not on dole or eligble for it or maybe they would rather work even for less than they get on the dole

Well maybe the people who applied from the North did so because they can work in the republic and claim benefits in the North or maybe they have two jobs and are not declaring the other incomes for tax purposes. We just can't speculate as to their motivations. Either there are people prepared to work for minimum wage in Ireland or there are not. The fact that 30 people applied for a job in a petrol station in Muff says it all - there are plenty people who want jobs, even at minimum wage.

danbohan wrote: »

bottom line is in most circumstances the dole in rep of ireland is equal or better to min wage when benifits such as rent etc added

That's as may well be, but that does not automatically mean that no one will work at minimum wage. If you can find for me some jobs at minimum wage that are going a beggin' but can't be filled then you may have made your point, but until then you are just speculating as to people's motives. Did it occur to you, for instance, that notwitstanding that they would be better off on the dole some people want to work and/or don't want to be a drain on the public purse and so will work no matter what - even if there is a better deal for them on the dole. Equally, some people will not work even if the incentive is much greater.

danbohan wrote: »

, both need to be reduced .

I agree and no where on this thread has anyone said otherwise. But while I agree with the point I don't agree with your reasons for stating it. We need to reduce social welfare because we cannot afford to pay it at the levels we are currently paying. We need to reduce minimum wage in order to attract foreign investment. We do not need to do so just because the good people of Derry are taking our jobs (in TOP Muff).

danbohan wrote: »

the only evidence needed is look at this countrys borrowing rate etc , any arguments against cuts valid though they may be cannot be justified in this countrys perilious postion i thing we are in agreement on that

That's what I said. You've just taken my point. The reason to cut SW is because we cannot afford it. The fact (even if it were proven) that only 30 people in the Republic want to work in a petrol station in Muff Co. Donegal is not a sufficient reason in itself to cut SW.

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The problem I have is that you are looking at it too superficially. Taking the 5k unemployed in Inishowen, I think it is unrealistic to expect them to apply for every job going. Otherwise every job would have 5k applications.

What do you do when applying for a job? Well first of all you don't apply to jobs that you don't know about. Is it possible that the job was advertised in the window of the station and the majority of customers in the station come from NI? Maybe most people in Inisowen get their petrol in Buncrana. Or, since the article appears in the Derry journal, is it possible that the job was advertised there and so the majority of people who heard about the job were from Derry? We just don't know from that article.

Next, when you hear about a job, do you automatically apply for it? Well, if you've applied for 100 minimum wage jobs in the area and have been rejected you can be forgiven if your enthusiasm has wained. You might also lose heart by the amount of competition if there have already been 300 applications.

Another important point in that area is transport. You could walk/cycle from Derry to Muff each morning, but from other towns in Inisowen you'd want to drive. There is the swilly bus, but that's not exactly a regular service.

Finally, and while I don't think this is a valid point from an individual's point of view, nevertheless it does affect people, most of the unemployed in Donegal AFAIK are long term unemployed and construction. For the long term unemployed, there is a good chance that they have given up hope of getting a job years ago (if they couldn't get one during full employment, what hope during a very severe recession?) and for the construction sector some of them may still be trying to get a job in that area, and/or considering emigration.

I'm sure similar issues arise in Derry, but the point is that we cannot tell from that article what the motivation of unemployed people in that area is.

However, if you can show me a factory which pays minimum wage and can't get ROI staff but can get NI staff then your point would have much more validity.

Lockstep

I think the problem arises as to proximity. It's a minimum wage job so it's not very attractive to people unless they live very closeby, given the costs of transportation which can quickly offset the money they might make.
It's happened toa few people I've worked with.

danbohan

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I think the problem arises as to proximity. It's a minimum wage job so it's not very attractive to people unless they live very closeby, given the costs of transportation which can quickly offset the money they might make.
It's happened toa few people I've worked with.

then perhaps the goverments should make it attractive . ! 8 euro per hour vs food stamps suddenly seems much better .

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hoyanto

danbohan wrote: »

then perhaps the goverments should make it attractive . ! 8 euro per hour vs food stamps suddenly seems much better .

Yeah what a useful suggestion man, because I know I would be really happy to receive food stamps in exchange for the thousands and thousands of Euros I have paid in PRSI over the years. I can't see why no one thought of this before.

rightwingdub

I knoe someone who owns a chipper and he offered a full time job to a single mum with one kid, she turned down the job because with the benefits that she'd receive from the state she would be €60 per week better off, seriously what sort of a country are we living in that it pays not to work.

mikemac

danbohan wrote: »

then perhaps the goverments should make it attractive . ! 8 euro per hour vs food stamps suddenly seems much better .

Food stamps?
Now I know they do it in the USA

After thousands and thousands paid in PRSI, I thought it would be better then this, humiliating

rightwingdub

feelingstressed wrote: »

Food stamps?
Now I know they do it in the USA

After thousands and thousands paid in PRSI, I thought it would be better then this, humiliating

Don't people lose welfare benefits after 27 months in the US and then they have to onto food stamps, what about rent etc?

RichardAnd

rightwingdub wrote: »

Don't people lose welfare benefits after 27 months in the US and then they have to onto food stamps, what about rent etc?

In the US, unemployment leads to homelessness. There are tent cities popping up all over the larger cities full of the recently homeless. There are a few videos up on youtube that show this, quite harrowing.

TheReverend

danbohan wrote: »

then perhaps the goverments should make it attractive . ! 8 euro per hour vs food stamps suddenly seems much better .

do we really want to go down the same road and the USA? I say no

ei.sdraob

TheReverend wrote: »

do we really want to go down the same road and the USA? I say no

Im in US now, yes we should go down that road

the people i met so far have a very good work ethic and work hard to get ahead, something the nanny/welfare state destroyed in Ireland

for example how many bank managers in ireland you know who also work part time in restaurants? the minimum wage is much lower here but at same time so is the cost of living and yes the two are related

and above all everyone is very friendly and welcoming, something we lost over last decade...

TheReverend

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Im in US now, yes we should go down that road

the people i met so far have a very good work ethic and work hard to get ahead, something the nanny/welfare state destroyed in Ireland

for example how many bank managers in ireland you know who also work part time in restaurants? the minimum wage is much lower here but at same time so is the cost of living and yes the two are related

and above all everyone is very friendly and welcoming, something we lost over last decade...

Because working two jobs to make ends meet is awesome right

ei.sdraob

TheReverend wrote: »

Because working two jobs to make ends meet is awesome right

because your state is not borrowing 20% of its GDP a year at high interest to keep people in a welfare trap..

and who said make ends meet? i said hard working and having a work ethic