Subway Enniscorthy- Closed down?

JayEnnis

So I walked by subway in Enniscorthy and everything was gone! I'm wondering if its renovation or is it another victim of the economy. The place always seemed to do well and would always be packed at lunch time. The girls Catherine and Sinead were a great laugh too!

Judgement Day

Should think it has gone - I could never see it having been a paying proposition. As it is there are still three un-let units along there and students were never going to keep it going.

JayEnnis

But even without the students it always seemed to get a good bit of footfall. At least it was a step to modernising the town a bit.

ParalysedBeaver

Thought it was closing when I passed by Tuesday night and the owner guy from wexford was clearing it out.

Bearhunter

Another whole in the facade. When I was a teenager in the town, a friend of mine once described Enniscorthy as "the town of the dancing dead" (a line from the Lindisfarne song Lady Eleanor). I always have Bob Dylan's North Country Blues in my head when I go home:

"But the cardboard filled windows
And old men on the benches
Tell you now that the whole town is empty."

jpb1974

That's a shame... would drop in for a Meatball Sub from time to time.

Enniscorthy is a hard place to keep a business alive.

enniscorthy

TRUST ME MATE WHEN I SAY THE BUSINESSES CAN'T SURVIVE I'M FROM THE PLACE,I'VE SEEN THEM COME AND GO ITS LIKE THE ENNISCORTHY TRIANGLE.....ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY BUT SORRY TO SAY I DONT SEE IT CHANGING MUCH IN MY LIFETIME

JayEnnis

enniscorthy wrote: »

TRUST ME MATE WHEN I SAY THE BUSINESSES CAN'T SURVIVE I'M FROM THE PLACE,I'VE SEEN THEM COME AND GO ITS LIKE THE ENNISCORTHY TRIANGLE.....ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY BUT SORRY TO SAY I DONT SEE IT CHANGING MUCH IN MY LIFETIME

But you think a well known franchise could survive?

Judgement Day

JayEnnis wrote: »

But you think a well known franchise could survive?

It is the old story, location, location, location. It was a franchise operation and if the back-up service had been up to scratch the franchisee should have been dissuaded from opening in such an out of the way spot in the town.

jpb1974

the franchisee should have been dissuaded from opening in such an out of the way spot in the town. Today 01:26

Aye... I said this to the other half only last night and we both agreed that it was in a terrible location.

skepticalone

DOESNT MATTER WHERE YOUR LOCATED IN THIS TOWN , BUSINESS IS DEAD, SAD BUT TRUE .

jpb1974

According to the articile below there are 4,776 unemployed people in Enniscorthy. This has to be a huge percentage of the town population (anyone know the town population?).

There's not a lot of money in Enniscorthy... or at least not a very even distribution of it... and this means that luxuries like Subway Rolls and Sambos aren't going to be in high demand.

http://www.enniscorthyecho.ie/news/story/?trs=mhqlauojql&cat=news

JayEnnis

jpb1974 wrote: »

According to the articile below there are 4,776 unemployed people in Enniscorthy. This has to be a huge percentage of the town population (anyone know the town population?).

There's not a lot of money in Enniscorthy... or at least not a very even distribution of it... and this means that luxuries like Subway Rolls and Sambos aren't going to be in high demand.

http://www.enniscorthyecho.ie/news/story/?trs=mhqlauojql&cat=news

If I recall correctly from Geography class 3 years ago the population was hovering around 8,000.

Thats a mighty high percentage of unemployment. Thank god I am out of this place come september.

jpb1974

If I recall correctly from Geography class 3 years ago the population was hovering around 8,000.

Aye.. the other half said that she heard somewhere recently it was circa 10,000. The percentage of un-employed is un-real... and with the closure of Subway it might just be gone up a few

JayEnnis

jpb1974 wrote: »

Aye.. the other half said that she heard somewhere recently it was circa 10,000. The percentage of un-employed is un-real... and with the closure of Subway it might just be gone up a few

Yeah that would make sense with 3 years growth.

I'm just after finishing school and I've plenty experience as I've worked since I was in 3rd year but I found it impossible to secure work this summer.

cython

According to the census info from 2006, there were about 9500 people in the Enniscorthy area, assuming you want to take in Enniscorthy town and environs (presumably the dole office catchment would cover a similar area), so if you think there was growth in the last few years, it's probably over the 10,000 mark now. Have a look at this for where I sourced that.

Padjo1981

I find it hard to belive the umemployment rate is as high as 40% in enniscorthy

JayEnnis

Padjo1981 wrote: »

I find it hard to belive the umemployment rate is as high as 40% in enniscorthy

I sure as hell don't.

sundula

Im surprised its not higher, it was high enough when things were good in the country. Employment would be astronomical if you factored in the people who were "retired" off the dole, basically guys who never worked and are deemed to be to old for the Social to even try and place them some where.

Enniscorthy has a big problem with 2nd and 3rd generation unemployment. Alot of the unemployed come from families who never worked who in turn came from families who never worked.

Hence the reason for the attitude in the town.

Cantona's Collars

Heard yesterday that 400 people applied for jobs in The Castle nightclub. A few years ago all that would apply were students looking for weekend work.The unemployment in the town is sky high and little hope of falling.Even if a business opens the rates charged are crippling.
Done properly all the area around Barrack Street could have been turned into a shopping centre and been a focal point in the town but that train has left and we have a car park,a bottleneck and a centre of town that resembles a graveyard.

RKQ

zerks wrote: »

Done properly all the area around Barrack Street could have been turned into a shopping centre and been a focal point in the town .

Rent is too high and there is no passing trade.
The shop units are on the wrong side of the Dunnes Stores entrance.

sundula

RKQ wrote: »

Rent is too high and there is no passing trade.
The shop units are on the wrong side of the Dunnes Stores entrance.

It should have been designed so that all the units were accessible from the Dunnes Shop, they should have created a mall or small shopping centre.

Judgement Day

sundula wrote: »

It should have been designed so that all the units were accessible from the Dunnes Shop, they should have created a mall or small shopping centre.

Ah yes, I was wondering when that would come up but it's Dunnes and 'The difference is we're rubbish'. The whole layout of the shop is daft and as for the 'so-called' customer service desk. If it wasn't for the pleasant staff they would have lost what little custom I still give them.

sundula

When i walked into that shop orginally i liked the general design but its like anything once you have seen it a few times you begin to see faults, as regards a layout that would incorporate smaller retail units its a disaster.

Of course Dunnes are keeping a tight grip on their old premises, absence of anything in the old shop is really not doing Rafter St. any favours.

furerer

Dont know what you're all so surprised about.....the rents on those "lock-ups" are astronomical....no-one will survive there.

There was 1000 applicants for 40 jobs at the castle.....I wonder how many were full time?

Unemployment.........man......you must all have bad memories, I'm still living in the Enniscorthy area and remember the queue's from the dole office in the old location.............out the door, round the corner, down to end of road, round the corner, down to end of road,....bla, bla, bla. The figure for the unemployed is the live register figure, now add on all the fas course people, the people on fis, lone parents, ce community schemes, and all the other xyz's that are out there to either supplement incomes, farmers?, or give training. The true figure is probably in the region of 70% of the towns people are in some sort of receipt of government assistance.

No money in Enniscorthy?????????? It was stated in the Echo that 1 businessman that ran a shop in the town that died amassed a tidy sum of over 1million. It's the same story that it was years ago......the rich do not want the non-rich to get anywhere in life........unless they benefit from it.

It will NEVER change......dont kid yourselves.

You know...........it maks me cringe when the wife watches that dribble "Dr.Phil" and he spouts on about how YOU can change your life,...YOU can become wealthy and lead a fulfilling life......what a load of boll-cks ....Dr.Phill, let me ask you this, if everyone becomes rich, who will clean your house, serve you your latte, fill the shelves up with groceries, empty your stinking dustbins, etc

As far as I can see, that's the story with Ireland, tell everyone that they can achieve anything,.........is that why 70% of Enniscorthy's people need financial assistance??

oldyouth

What a last post.

Fair play to the shop keeper who made a million before he kicked his clogs. Ask youself this. Did he do it all on his own or did he employ staff and provide them with a wage that they could bring home to their families? Was anyone going to refund him his capital outlay if things went wrong with the business and he lost everything?

Like chuff they would. Fair play to any business man who makes a success of their gamble and perhaps if we had less people watching Dr Phil in the middle of the day, we might get this country off its knees.

Every person can change their life for the better, even if it is only in a small, seemingly unnoticeable way

furerer

oldyouth wrote: »

What a last post.

Fair play to the shop keeper who made a million before he kicked his clogs. Ask youself this. Did he do it all on his own or did he employ staff and provide them with a wage that they could bring home to their families? Was anyone going to refund him his capital outlay if things went wrong with the business and he lost everything?

Like chuff they would. Fair play to any business man who makes a success of their gamble and perhaps if we had less people watching Dr Phil in the middle of the day, we might get this country off its knees.

Every person can change their life for the better, even if it is only in a small, seemingly unnoticeable way

Yahoooooooooo.........someone I can make a point with. Staff....I believe his family worked there, so no wages for "workers" to bring home to their "families". I did not knock the man for earning his loot, just showing the vast difference between the haves and have-nots. As for his outlay, I also believe the shop was owned by his family previously so he had no "outlay", or "gamble".
Tell the government to supply work for the "middle of the day" tv watchers......better still.....why dont you tell us how you would put these "middle of the day" tv viewers back to work?
And yes, your right on the last point.........every person can change their life.......in a seemingly unnoticeable way (unnoticeable being the operative word)..........but tell that to the pakistan victims......the china lanslide victims........the poor in mexico.......the sewer children of brazil......you've been reading the Echo for too long.;)

Edited after posting to add the folowing:
The reason the country is on its knees....as you so aptly put it.......is not because of daytime tv viewers...........but because of the GREED of the few.

oldyouth

I'll respond to that when we're both sober

furerer

I do not drink.

Cantona's Collars

A lot of the old guard businesses in Enniscorthy seem to begrudge any new blood in the town-just look at the objections to Tesco.The main objector has a premises in a prime location in the town and any time I'm down that way I rarely see any customers in there.Certain businessmen seem to have a siege mentality of a spoiled child-if they can't have it no one will!! That's why trade in the town is dying.
Notices for planning went up on the site of the old Dunnes Stores but that was it,nothing more happened.The middle of the town is made up of takeaways,discount and charity shops with little else.A few clothes shops appear and disappear just as quick.What happened to the great plan to rejuvinate the Market Square and build a mall-followed the Celtic Tiger on the way out.
The case of Subway closing is a microcosm of what's happening in the town,new shoots of growth appear only to die away-pity,And shame on the self interested greedy pillars of the community that keep the town on it's knees commercially because of their fear to grow and adapt.The shoppers know what they want and it's not in Enniscorthy:(

RKQ

The rent is just too high. Subway was in a bad location - in the unit furthest from Dunnes entrance.

Most business were inherited and those now in charge are not capable of risk, business growth, providing value, being competitive or operating with business skill. They prefer to operate as "caretakers". Some have opened in Wexford or Gorey but this rarely works out.

Tesco is not the answer. Another (6th) supermarket on the outskirts of town, will do nothing to improve the quality or number of shops in the town centre.

Maybe there is no town centre?
Years ago, Slaney Street, Market Square & Rafter Street was the town centre. Now I'm not sure.

Its a pity they let Floods site decay so badly. It was a complete eyesore for years.

St Senan

Its still an Eyesore and will be for a long time.
Everyone know's Anton Treacy owns Murphy Floods, he did not pay any fines for having a derlict building. The council took no further action so now he makes a piss poor effort of a car park on the site and the council are happy. AFAIK it's pay parking and the council receive the money.
The only people who i feel sorry for regarding the Eyesore that is Murphy Floods is Wickhams Butchers having to rent another shop to still stay in Buisness.

The issue with Dunnestores was that the old Minch Norton site was sold to differant people. The people of the town at the time were led to believe that there was going to be a shopping mall incorperating Dunnes Stores constructed on the whole site with a walkway entrance going through from the market square close to Murphy Floods.

furerer

Rock on people...........never a truer word said........and who's to blame for this farce.......THE COUNCIL.......bunch of lemons not even worthy to grace a glass of gin

Cantona's Collars

Fair play to Wickhams having their old premises rebuilt and moving back to where they belong in Market Square.Pity they won't be part of a shiny new shopping mall-more lies from developers and councillors. If their promises were food we'd starve.

St Senan

In the Market square today and every other Sunday the only places that are open for buisness are Dunnes stores, Delaneys news agents, Shenanagins, The River Restaurant {must say John does a good sunday dinner} and the €2 chinese shop.Last sunday there were a few stalls on rafter street which drew no crowd at all. It's no wonder most familys go for a drive to Wexford and Gorey for shopping on a Sunday.

Cantona's Collars

Sunday is gone from a day of worship etc. to an important family day to do the shopping etc.The modern life means regular working weeks and hours are no more so people need shops open on Sundays,however Enniscorthy is in a time warp-some shops still close on a Thursday. No wonder folk get in the car and travel to Gorey or Wexford-just walk around Tesco on a Sunday afternoon or down the Main Street in Wexford and see how many Enniscorthy people you meet. How many more shops will close in the town in the next few months as people spend even less as they try and save for Christmas?

Padjo1981

The town is a hole. there is no redeeming feature about it at all. It's supposed to be the second town of wexford. Gorey has a new cinema, and tesco's, and it is doing great. There are alot of people traveling out of town to tesco. So who ever said tesco is not the answer??? what is? what other company do you know looking to put employment and investment into the town. The objectors are like vampires, bleeding the town to death, and not allowing any life to be incected back in. It's a disgrace the council are so whipped by the old fraternity. Next elections I am going to run and give them all a bloody shock.
Sorry about the rant, but am just back from a walk with a friend of mine from out of town, and it's shamefull the state of the place. And I am looking for wotrk at the min. SO not it's all bad from my view

Cantona's Collars

Hate to drag up the old Tesco debate but heard a report on the news about plans for a multimillion euro development in Waterford-I stand to be corrected but isn't this the planned development of Dan Kickham who wanted to bring Tesco and other retailers to HIS site in Enniscorthy.I'm sure the issue of objections and planning in Waterford won't be an issue as it is here,as said before in this thread,new businesses,especially retail don't last in Enniscorthy because of a cartel of narrow minded people who are too self serving to care about the future of the town.
Pity one of the major employers can't even create even more jobs and maybe invigorate his home town.If one of the big players get's shot down by vested interests what hope have the small guys?

jpb1974

Sad to say it but we shop in Tesco in Wexford town every week.

Free parking.

Large spacious store.

The young lad loves looking at the toys, dvds and computer games.

Herself likes a browse through the clothing area.

I like all the electronics, car and diy nick-nacks.

Huge selection

Good prices

Lots of special offers

Usually we might make a day out of it, Cinema, McDonalds or KFC, shopping. Keeps everyone happy.

Compare that to town... Dunnes, Supervalu, Lidl and Aldi... I just can't be bothered... at least Lidl and Aldi have free parking.

St Senan

We gave up a long time ago going to Tesco in Wexforscorthy. Now we Travel to Newross Tesco 1 week 25mins Drive and Arklow the next week 40min drive also we pay a visit to the shopping centre in Gorey and 1 Sunday a month we Travel to the Shopping centre in Carlow. We even done shopping in Tesco in Tullow on the odd occasion. And as the same as yourself the young lad loves looking at the toys, dvds and computer games.
Herself likes a browse through the clothing area. I like all the electronics, car and diy nick-nacks.

Compare these Towns to our Enniscorthy/BEDROCK town... Dunnes, Supervalu, Lidl and Aldi and a €2 chinese shop open on Sundays

Cantona's Collars

Scaller and JPB are right in their statements-every week there's a mass exodus from the town by people going elsewhere to shop,as an example just a couple of weeks ago the other half and her friends wanted some stuff for fancy dress and nothing was to be had in Enniscorthy so off they went to Carlow,got what they wanted and spent money in other shops buying stuff they thought they needed.
Enniscorthy has too many similar shops selling more or less the same stuff-can you blame folk for having to go elsewhere.Spoke to a woman from Arklow a while ago and she loves going into Kavanaghs shop any time she's in Enniscorthy as they always have something new but in her opinion the shopping in the rest of the town is terrible.Very little in the town to tempt anyone,no wonder Subway closed,no passing trade,people go into the town,get what they want and leave-they visit Wexford for a shopping trip and spend time+money in the town.

RKQ

I don't think a new Tesco in Blackstoops is the answer.
I agree with a lot of the comments above.

As a child we had a market in the Market Square one Tuesday a month. It always drew a crowd until vested interested had it removed!
Now we have a Market Square with no Market!!!?????

Tesco in Wexford, Arklow, Carlow & Gorey are in (or very near) the Town centre, thats why they work so well. Walking to Tesco from town centre & vice versa.

Maybe Dunnes needs to work harder with its town centre store. Free parking would help. Or is "Free Parking" a dirty word in Enniscorthy?
I think paid parking on the Prom is a really bad idea.

Goreygal

I agree RKQ... the issue isn't with Tesco's per se... it's with the proposed location....Blackstoops is not a "walking" destination for town so it would create an either/or situation regards to going into town - not a great way to allow for regeneration of the town in the future.

Cantona's Collars

Reported in today's Guardian that Subway in Enniscorthy was subject to rates of €5000 which is extortionate,there's a full page article on the origins of rates and how they're calculated.Some of the figures are frightening:eek:

furerer

Be prepared for more closures in the town as the rates rise 105%.
It is not only sickening about the hikes in charges throughout the country, but it's scandalous how the people let the council and the govt get away with it. Dont pay these charges.....what are they going to do? put everyone in prison? Close every shop in town? then where would they get their "expense" money?
People in this country need to start voicing their anger at the political system.........it obviously does not work for the common man/woman. Councils need to be accountable to the public.........a public accounts committee would be a good start whereby all spending and charging would have to be passed by them first.

Bearhunter

105% rate rises? Bloody hell. What does the council do with the money? It doesn't seem to be spent on the town. Is there a website with the council's finances on it anywhere? Or somewhere I can contact to get the accounts?

Cantona's Collars

Do they not realise that the country is in recession,people are watching what they spend and as a result trade is down and add that to the rates rise local shops are in a precarious position.The town is already dying and the rates are helping kill it even quicker.How some stay open amazes me as the customers going through the doors are minimal.Looks like Subway won't be the last to shut it's doors for good this year.:(

spyderski

BMW Main Dealer, Mercedes Main dealer, the HQ of one of the largest IT businesses in the country. Massive amounts of traffic being directed through the town (on EuroRoute 1) because of the failure to bypass the town.....
Things in Enniscorthy are no worse than in a lot of parts of the country, so why the problems (which I accept are there)?
Too few families controlling the main businesses, and a lack of local support for local small businesses (butchers, grocers etc) are some of the causes, but this is no different from many regional towns.

furerer

Bearhunter wrote: »

105% rate rises? Bloody hell. What does the council do with the money? It doesn't seem to be spent on the town. Is there a website with the council's finances on it anywhere? Or somewhere I can contact to get the accounts?

Bearhunter..........sounds like I've given you a coronary..........but that's the figure highlited in "the echo" paper.........that's why Mahady Breen is closing it's doors.
What does the council do with the money?.........good question. I have looked at the budget figures for 2009, you can do the same here
http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Finance/PublicationsandDownloads/Thefile,8509,en.pdf
You know it's amazing if you look at all the figures to see how the money is spent, for instance, under table F-expenditure, environmental services-division E, litter warden service

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0 spent, so Wexford county does not have a litter warden? no wonder there is so much dumping, and expenditure under the same table for "provision and improvement of litter bins" is also.......you guessed it........0. But "service support costs" in every area is quite high, in some cases higher than the expenditure of the work/job/project.........for instance Wexford spent 232,233 euro in the monitoring of waste regs, but the service support costs were 326,525 euro. What are these "service support costs"? and who gets them.
The biggest laugh.......in my opinion.........is the expenditure on local roads-maintenance and improvement......not including regional or national roads, but local only..........20.5 million.........well they didn't spend it in Enniscorthy!

JayEnnis

furerer wrote: »

Bearhunter..........sounds like I've given you a coronary..........but that's the figure highlited in "the echo" paper.........that's why Mahady Breen is closing it's doors.
What does the council do with the money?.........good question. I have looked at the budget figures for 2009, you can do the same here
http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Finance/PublicationsandDownloads/Thefile,8509,en.pdf
You know it's amazing if you look at all the figures to see how the money is spent, for instance, under table F-expenditure, environmental services-division E, litter warden service

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0 spent, so Wexford county does not have a litter warden? no wonder there is so much dumping, and expenditure under the same table for "provision and improvement of litter bins" is also.......you guessed it........0. But "service support costs" in every area is quite high, in some cases higher than the expenditure of the work/job/project.........for instance Wexford spent 232,233 euro in the monitoring of waste regs, but the service support costs were 326,525 euro. What are these "service support costs"? and who gets them.
The biggest laugh.......in my opinion.........is the expenditure on local roads-maintenance and improvement......not including regional or national roads, but local only..........20.5 million.........well they didn't spend it in Enniscorthy!

Ah sure didn't they throw a few shovels of tarmac into the potholes filled with water. :rolleyes:

Cantona's Collars

It's not even proper tarmac,it's delayset or 'cold tar'-I've used it before and it's not suitable for high traffic areas and definitely not roads plus it's more expensive than actual 'proper' tar.The waste of money is phenomenal while the council finds new ways to tax the businesses that are essential for the life of the town.We're already witnessing the weekly migrations to Arklow,Carlow and Wexford for shopping and as much as people say New Ross has little to offer it can still attract shoppers from Enniscorthy.