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USB DTT TUNER FOR IRISH DTT HELP?

  • 11-08-2010 10:35am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭


    Is it possible to buy an USB DTT tuner that will pick up the Irish dtt when it launches and do the new text as well? It would be a godsend if there was.

    gbcullen


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Any DTT USB stick that uses BDA driver can work if you have the correct software.

    But getting real 576i 25fps or 1080i 25fps on Laptop or PC screen is nearly impossible. The Screens are usually 60fps progressive and the video is then poorly deinterlaced and then frame rate converted. Video quality is degraded.

    A €60 set-box and cheap CRT outperforms at 576i and any decent real HDTV with built in tuner or setbox via HDMI is better.

    The MHEG5 on a PC/Laptop isn't a function of which USB dongle you buy but your application software.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭swoofer


    thank you, that was quick. There is a new sat box knocking about, its an Vu+ Duo HD Twin Tuner and it takes usb as well so I was thinking kill 3 birds with one stone so to speak. It is a PVR as well with 2 sat tuners so adding usb gives a 3rd. I could record, sat and DTT but its getting the right one and having the correct software.

    gb--


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Sky actually put USB DTT sticks on Sky Digiboxes in Italy. They might do it here as RTE's extra DTT TV, radio and HD won't be on Sky.

    It depends on having decent firmware supplied by the box maker if it will work at all and what features are supported. Only the SkyHD boxes would work here as the other Sky boxes with USB have no MPEG4 decoder.

    Setboxes unlike PCs use hardware DSP chips for decoder.

    non-Saorview set boxes are unlikely to support the RTE Digital Interactive/MHEG5 middleware even if a USB DTT stick works. Only a specific DTT stick listed as supported by firmware will work. Which with Sky here means none unless they provide and enable it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭stanley1


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    thank you, that was quick. There is a new sat box knocking about, its an Vu+ Duo HD Twin Tuner and it takes usb as well so I was thinking kill 3 birds with one stone so to speak. It is a PVR as well with 2 sat tuners so adding usb gives a 3rd. I could record, sat and DTT but its getting the right one and having the correct software.

    gb--

    USB DTT is still experimental with VU-Duo and only latest Dream Elite image supports it, still lots of lipsync problems to be ironed out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    Media Center 7 is the only software I have seen which supports MHEG5


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    Bob_Harris wrote: »
    Media Center 7 is the only software I have seen which supports MHEG5

    Newbie question alert and Off-Topic!!!
    Just that you mention MHEG5. Is this what Saorview/Saorsat will be using for interactive services?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    almighty1 wrote: »
    Newbie question alert and Off-Topic!!!
    Just that you mention MHEG5. Is this what Saorview/Saorsat will be using for interactive services?

    Yes, it was officially confirmed a week or so ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭givecredit


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    Is it possible to buy an USB DTT tuner that will pick up the Irish dtt when it launches and do the new text as well? It would be a godsend if there was.

    gbcullen

    http://cgi.ebay.ie/AVERMEDIA-AVerTV-Volar-Black-HD-A850-USB-TV-Tuner-NEW-/300443868837?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item45f3d99ea5

    This usb dtt works on the dream elite image. I currently have it working on a dreambox 800. You can record all current irish dtt transmissions at one time. ( currently 4 tv channels) and also record a satellite channel at same time. (5 channels at one time) while watching another recording or watching a different satellite channel on same transponder as one you are recording. Works perfectly.
    usb stick works out at €35


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    watty wrote: »
    But getting real 576i 25fps or 1080i 25fps on Laptop or PC screen is nearly impossible.

    I wouldn't say impossible.

    The most important thing is the refresh rate of the monitor. It needs to be divisible by 25. 75hz monitors are not that uncommon.

    The monitor I am using right now has a max refresh rate of 75hz and was the cheapest I found a few years ago, and I wasn't even looking for 75hz at the time.

    As for de-interlacing, for perfect de-interlacing ( hardware accelerated ) at minimum a €50 HD5450 is required.

    But software decoders like ffmpeg can also do a very good job of de-interlacing providing the CPU is powerful enough for HD and moderately powerful enough for SD.

    Edit:

    Here is a useful "de-interlacing stress test" to see how your software decoder / hardware decoder is performing with a 1080i source.

    From my own test, to my eye the ATI Vector Adaptive de-interlacing method is better than using ffmpeg with 'yadif' de-interlacer enabled, but only just.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭swoofer


    is that the dreambox 800 HD and would I get the same with the vu + duo? lip sync seems to be a problem.

    When you say record are you recoding to PC hard drive? I cant figure out how you can do so many at same time?? Not got box yet so just doing figuring in my head.

    And of course thanks for reply.

    gbcullen


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    In my playing around with a couple of USB DTT adaptors, I found the main issue was having good software that would handle MPEG4 while also performing well for tuning and the likes. Outside of Windows 7, it seems to be still an issue with any free solution.

    I found VLC to have atrocious signal strength issues, and it even managed to achieve breakup on the strongest multiplex from Clermont Carn while not registering anything from Three Rock/Kippure, Mt. Leinster or Cairn Hill! Any set top box I used were able to work fine in comparison. Its tuning method is extremely inelegant and I get the feeling they still would prefer if people used programs through command line interface...

    I tried a couple of others, I think AltDVB was hopeless to configure with codecs but found signals fine, while ProgDVB had as good a sensitivity as any set top box and using an indoor aerial sufficed in places but only the paid version has MPEG4 support. Listening to RTÉ radio was fine.

    The significant signal strength and quality differences between software on a BDA device is something I cannot explain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭givecredit


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    is that the dreambox 800 HD and would I get the same with the vu + duo? lip sync seems to be a problem.
    When you say record are you recoding to PC hard drive? I cant figure out how you can do so many at same time?? Not got box yet so just doing figuring in my head.
    And of course thanks for reply.
    gbcullen

    Yes the Dreambox 800hd. Newer version due in sept 800hd se. I have an internal harddrive installed in 800hd so i am recording to that. All the irish dt channels are on the one mux, so this makes it possible to record all at one time. No lip sync problems
    This box has its limitations. Only one satellite tuner. If they added support for usb s2 tuner then this box would have no limits!
    When they fix the lip sync problems on the duo it will be an attractive option at the right price. (If the image support is kept up)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    In my playing around with a couple of USB DTT adaptors, I found the main issue was having good software that would handle MPEG4 while also performing well for tuning and the likes. Outside of Windows 7, it seems to be still an issue with any free solution.

    I found VLC to have atrocious signal strength issues, and it even managed to achieve breakup on the strongest multiplex from Clermont Carn while not registering anything from Three Rock/Kippure, Mt. Leinster or Cairn Hill! Any set top box I used were able to work fine in comparison. Its tuning method is extremely inelegant and I get the feeling they still would prefer if people used programs through command line interface...

    I tried a couple of others, I think AltDVB was hopeless to configure with codecs but found signals fine, while ProgDVB had as good a sensitivity as any set top box and using an indoor aerial sufficed in places but only the paid version has MPEG4 support. Listening to RTÉ radio was fine.

    The significant signal strength and quality differences between software on a BDA device is something I cannot explain.

    For €15 DVB Viewer is well worth it. Use ffmpeg or Windows 7 built in decoders for MPEG4.

    Whatever software you use it should not effect sensitivity of the tuner. Maybe one was displaying signal strength and the other signal quality. Different MPEG4 decoders handle weak signals (i.e. dvb stream with errors / missing packets) better than others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The "tuner" is in Hardware. The viterbi/FEC decoding is maybe in the Device Driver or hardware, so all applications should ALWAYS see the same quality/signal.

    VLC isn't intended to be used with Tuners, but with baseband capture cards, hence the lack of a decent interface to select channels.

    Bob Harris: I use 75Hz on my own 19" CRT PC Monitor when using it for TV with Desktop PC. But unless the source was progressive then interlaced (i.e. film) the results are poorer than my TV set + setbox. I don't believe "perfect" de-interlacing of interlaced source (interlaced camera or caption generator) is possible. It's going to blur or shudder.

    My laptop can do various refresh only when driving external screen only. Otherwise it's a fixed 60fps. Though the 1600 x 1200 built in LCD screen has some sort of weird internal interlace (an image of alternate horizontal lines flickers badly, yet a single line does not.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    I wasn't basing my observations on signal strength/quality bars, they are arbitrary and are decided on by the software maker. Not written in dB or dBm etc. I judged based on signal breakup and on whether it could detect or scan the multiplex for channels successfully. At a rough guess, I think using VLC was the equivalent of using a 10dB attenuator on a set top box but I'm only certain about multiplexes being unwatchable with "10% quality" with VLC while ProgDVB managed a reliable signal with no interruptions to radio channels in the exact same circumstances.

    Also, the problem I have is reconciling a functioning video codec with a useful DVBT demultiplexer, not so much the codec itself. I didn't think there could be such a difference in handling the transport stream but there you go. Splashing out is probably the way forward for me.

    For the OP, just be careful that you get a USB card that comes with good software. I never managed to get the Blaze HDTV software to work for me (Windows Vista, untried with other systems as it's for my laptop's use)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭Couch Potato


    Will this USB tuner work with Irish DTT

    http://cgi.ebay.ie/New-2010-HDTV-USB-FREEVIEW-DONGLE-DIGITAL-TV-TUNER-DVBT-/370418248592?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW

    looks a bit sketchy on the specs.

    I am running win 7 and have an old stick that just died (made in china !)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    Will this USB tuner work with Irish DTT

    http://cgi.ebay.ie/New-2010-HDTV-USB-FREEVIEW-DONGLE-DIGITAL-TV-TUNER-DVBT-/370418248592?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW

    looks a bit sketchy on the specs.

    I am running win 7 and have an old stick that just died (made in china !)

    Yeah I have that and it works with Irish DTT with the software supplied and also third party software like Media Center 7, DVBViewer, MediaPortal etc.

    One problem I found with it is the signal quality reporting. It starts off at the correct level but then drops down to 10% regardless of the actual signal quality. It doesn't effect the playback or anything but is annoying if you are trying to align your aerial and fine tune.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    the topic of USB sticks for DTT keeps coming up with the same questions been asked, and while i acknowledge watty's concerns, uusing sticks like these on a laptop is going to be a very common feature, for people on the move, at college, even in the home at times.


    given that, how about adding one of the threads with most information(or merge them ) as a sticky? what say you mods?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The problem is that the actual "Sticks" are generally not the issue, but
    • Which / what drivers and application ships with the Stick this week :) (You need BDA driver)
    • Type of PC
    • Has it got high power CPU so that graphics card doesn't matter? (to do H.264 MPEG4 and HD)
    • Is there already a 3rd party application with decent H.264 MPEG4 decoder?
    • What sort of graphics card(s) are there?
    • Have you got correct GPU (graphics Driver) and settings?
    • PC screen, native netbook/laptop screen, Composite or SCART PAL or HDMI 1080i screen?
    • Which OS (65% XP, 14% Vista, 15% Win7, 5% Mac, 1% Linux approx)?
    • Free or paid 3rd party viewing/PVR apps.

    I think the place for support, self help and sticky is HTPC/Media Centre forum as it's not a TV/Broadcast/"USB Stick" issue but 99.9% PC software.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=643


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    watty wrote: »
    The problem is that the actual "Sticks" are generally not the issue, but
    • Which / what drivers and application ships with the Stick this week :)
    • Type of PC
    • Has it got high power CPU so that graphics card doesn't matter? (to do H.264 MPEG4 and HD)
    • Is there already a 3rd party application with decent H.264 MPEG4 decoder?
    • What sort of graphics card(s) are there?
    • Have you got correct GPU (graphics Driver) and settings?
    • PC screen, native netbook/laptop screen, Composite or SCART PAL or HDMI 1080i screen?
    • Which OS (65% XP, 14% Vista, 15% Win7, 5% Mac, 1% Linux approx)?
    • Free or paid 3rd party viewing/PVR apps.

    I think the place for support, self help and sticky is HTPC/Media Centre forum as it's not a TV/Broadcast/"USB Stick" issue but 99.9% PC software.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=643

    maybe a sticky with a link over there then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    And please, for the love of humanity, can we avoid any more stickies in the Terrestrial forum?! 14 stickies is simply excessive as it stands, much as I respect any mod's perogative to arrange the forum as they see fit. But I don't think I've seen any website with even half that number of stickies in use on one forum alone.

    And with the nature of DTT/DAB and analogue switch-off, several of the stickies are chock-o-block with outdated information anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    People rarely read stickies anyway, especially if they are 50+ pages long.

    Stickies should be just locked threads, with a few posts of solid information, maintained by a mod and updated frequently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    That's why over on Techtír I switched from vBulletin (the software here) to Drupal, as Techtír's emphasis is on static Articles. Forum Sw suits ongoing discussion better. Hence the Stickies don't work.

    History

    When Byte and I moderated here we set up an ICDG "wiki" for Static information and to save good stuff from posts. One problem is that Three Letter Acronyms (TLAs) don't work on Board's searches, such as DTT, TG4, FTA, DVB and RTE.

    http://www.bytelive.com/wiki/tiki-index.php I think we have most of the stuff not out-of-date that was put up on the wiki copied into Techtir articles now,
    i.e. http://www.techtir.ie/articles/howto
    Some of it needs tidied up a bit as initially we tried boards type vBulletin with plug-ins for articles.
    Anyone/Everyone is welcome to contribute.
    here is fine for discussion, but not good for Articles. Wikipedia is OK to create "verified" informational entries but they don't allow your own work or research or "how to" articles.

    These Cable, Satellite and Terrestrial forums a spin off originally from http://www.iolfree.ie/~icdg/ which moved to boards.ie as hosted forums originally. Broadcasting History is from http://www.irish-tv.com/ (Richard Logue's) Irish TV forum and given a home here under broadcasting. Foreign satellite was started here by popular demand after the Forums had already joined the Boards mainstream (Until Saorsat starts it's all Foreign :) ) but it's really about payTV Football as the original Satellite Forum always had plenty of non-UK sat discussion.

    So really the "Cable & Digital TV" part of "boards.ie > Tech > Cable & Digital TV" historically is not part of boards.ie culture or originated by boards. Some of the originals involved are thus having the original aims of IrishTV and ICDG with other technologies under the umbrella of www.techtir.ie It's a year old on 21st September.

    See http://www.techtir.ie/history


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    I like the idea of a linux package running the USB tuner from a port but am wondering how it being done and recording still being available. Does the VUduo have 2 USB ports or is this via another esata port ? Well done on that.

    Is it present always or is it an app that you must launch. i.ie. Is it auto detetced ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Watty is spot-on with the wiki thing IMO, as ever.

    I was thinking about this issue and how really some sort of fixed info site would be needed in conjunction with the Terrestrial forum as stickies will never bridge that gap, whether there's 4 or 14.

    But that's off-topic I suppose.

    I find that ProgDVB is working well, though the select region part when searching for transponders should be left to all (8 MHz). The Ireland selection would only work in Dublin generally. And I had to re-install the program to change that, as I couldn't find an option to change region in the software:o

    In essence, any cheap DTT stick should work to some extent. Beware that anything I've used are somewhat taxing especially for laptops and when using USB instead of PC express cards (laptops) or PCI/E cards (PCs). I think the graphics card or intergrated graphics also makes a difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    yes, the gpu and its driver has a huge impact on lower spec cpus.

    The recent version of ProgDVB is reasonable value as bought program as is Core AVC mpeg4 codec. Maybe someone has done or will do an MHEG5 plugin for ProgDVB. The Teletext one works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I was thinking about this issue and how really some sort of fixed info site would be needed in conjunction with the Terrestrial forum as stickies will never bridge that gap, whether there's 4 or 14.
    Done for you already :) Free to use and no advertising on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭irishchris


    STB wrote: »
    I like the idea of a linux package running the USB tuner from a port but am wondering how it being done and recording still being available. Does the VUduo have 2 USB ports or is this via another esata port ? Well done on that.

    Is it present always or is it an app that you must launch. i.ie. Is it auto detetced ?

    hi just browsing though this olf post. vu+ now supports sundtek usb tuner on all images and it supports dtt and cable through one usb port. there are 3 usb ports on the vu+ - 2 back 1 front. hauppage avermedia also supported on new de image. the lip sync issue is solved temporarily by timeshift for one second and does not appear on recorded programs. but thankfully has been confirmed is fixed in next official driver due out mid of this month. so i now have 2 dvb-s tuners/one dtt tuner and one dvb-c tuner in one reciever. also the vu+ picks up the full 7 day epg ota. the tuners are always available as are listed in same way as the sat tuners. just flick through your program guide and select and channels come up straight away like the sat channels.

    hope this helps


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    givecredit wrote: »
    http://cgi.ebay.ie/AVERMEDIA-AVerTV-Volar-Black-HD-A850-USB-TV-Tuner-NEW-/300443868837?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item45f3d99ea5

    This usb dtt works on the dream elite image. I currently have it working on a dreambox 800. You can record all current irish dtt transmissions at one time. ( currently 4 tv channels) and also record a satellite channel at same time. (5 channels at one time) while watching another recording or watching a different satellite channel on same transponder as one you are recording. Works perfectly.
    usb stick works out at €35
    I have the dm800HD-s running dreamelite blackhole 12, how much hassle was it to get the TV stick up & running when connected to the usb port on the 800HD ? also can you incorporate the epg into the sat/dreambox epg or are they separate ?
    thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    givecredit wrote: »
    http://cgi.ebay.ie/AVERMEDIA-AVerTV-Volar-Black-HD-A850-USB-TV-Tuner-NEW-/300443868837?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item45f3d99ea5

    This usb dtt works on the dream elite image. I currently have it working on a dreambox 800. You can record all current irish dtt transmissions at one time. ( currently 4 tv channels) and also record a satellite channel at same time. (5 channels at one time) while watching another recording or watching a different satellite channel on same transponder as one you are recording. Works perfectly.
    usb stick works out at €35
    Just flashed a newer image to the DM800, it's works on sim1 B/L#72 boxes,..it has the USB TV stick options & a few other small mods, all I need now is a TV stick to try it out.
    info & download link here & here *TAKE NOTE* only use if your 800 meets the requirments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    I took a chance & ordered one of these DTT Tv sticks works 100% on my windows 7 laptop but the supplied mini antenna is useless so I connected a bigger set top antenna & bingo,..all Irish DTT TV/radio channels found,..the stick worked with windows media centre & the supplied ArcSoft software,...alas I can't get it to work on the dreambox 800:( it's seen as an AF9015 device in windows & there are dreambox drivers for this family of devices which I did try but no luck,...I'll keep trying anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    For Linux you read the docs and then buy a stick. Not an AF90xx either.

    I have not really finished writing this
    http://www.techtir.ie/node/1003625
    But it has sound Linux advice.
    If a Linux based set-box, check you set-box wiki/docs/forums for 100% OK stick as not as many as Desktop linux is supported.



    Review
    http://www.techtir.ie/reviews/mobidtv-dual-usb-dtt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    getting a TV stick to work on a linux computer is less of a problem than getting it to work on a dreambox,..you have the added problems with different kernels,bootloaders,images,..the reason why some people have managed to get tv sticks working on dreamboxes & other linux based recievers is because they have altered/patched original images & kernels to suit. I could have bought a €70 hauppauge wintv-nova-hd-s2 usb stick which has been proven to work but I was trying to do it on the cheap,...ah well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    On linux, esp. a set-box, you ONLY buy 100% proven zero caveat hardware unless your mission in life is to write Linux Device Drivers.

    (Not addressed to you lensman, but a general comment!)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    watty wrote: »
    On linux, esp. a set-box, you ONLY buy 100% proven zero caveat hardware unless your mission in life is to write Linux Device Drivers.

    (Not addressed to you lensman, but a general comment!)

    someone has to be a guinea pig though and buy the first one...:)

    (again not at lensman)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    it won't be me anyway,..that type of work used to give me a buzz when I cycled to kevin st back in the 70's but not any more,...I'll leave it to the youth :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The Driver author gets my vote for that role.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    Right,...sorted,..I got a 2nd hand Hauppauge DTT Nova-T USB tuner up & running on a DM800HD, pulling in 17 channels, are they broadcasting in HD or SD at the moment ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Yes and No :D

    RTE 2 is HD format. But all upscaled SD content.

    http://www.saortv.info/news/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    ahh,..I see said the blind man,...figured it out using the extended info option on the dreambox,..says SD for rte1,tv3 & tg4 but HD for rte2,..nothing HD showing as yet though,...I did notice a HD test channel was broadcasting during the week (swans),..I'll keep an eye out tomorrow.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    I bought a cheap USB stick hoping to use it on Linux ... unfortunately the tuner had been updated in the device and the new one is not presently supported.
    Probably my own fault for not spotting it ..... but ignorance does that some times. :mad:
    The device name/number did not change!

    The good news is that, should the stick survive long enough it should work with a new kernel (2.6.37 I think).

    It does work, along with the provided software on Win7 ... which I do not own. :(

    @Watty ... the link in this part of the techtir page you linked to is not working anymore apparently ... just a heads-up
    "Very funny. The Author buys a USB DVB-t stick supported by Ubuntu (Linux) so just works when he adds "Me Tv" from Download centre. But on windows, confronted with badly designed "shovel ware". Shame on you Pinnacle"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    the Hauppauge sticks seem to be the best bet....they can cost a bit but I got one used from ebay for €13,...this company also sell them in,..you might pick up one cheap,..most are listed in their "buy it now" option but sometimes they have them for auction & they sell a lot cheaper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty



    @Watty ... the link in this part of the techtir page you linked to is not working anymore apparently ... just a heads-up
    "Very funny. The Author buys a USB DVB-t stick supported by Ubuntu (Linux) so just works when he adds "Me Tv" from Download centre. But on windows, confronted with badly designed "shovel ware". Shame on you Pinnacle"

    Removed dead links.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    just came across this info,..not verifed by me but it does support a cheap USB DTT tuner (af9015 chipset) I bought for €6 but failed to get it working on a Dreambox800HD awhile back, this update says it will work now and over 20 other usb DTT tuners also.
    original link
    http://tinyurl.com/6h6fstf
    download link
    http://rapidshare.com/files/450651210/usbtuner_0.1_dm800.rar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    That's a members only forum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭lensman


    sorry about that,...the download link contains all the information from the original post ,..how to install the drivers & the ipk package on the dreambox,..other posts are from people saying it works,..I have not installed this driver package myself as I managed to get a hauppage usb stick working with a dreamelite BH 133 image which has support for the hauppage tuner I have,..as I said I also have a cheap €6 af9015 chipset based tuner which did not work with my image but this package is reported to support it & over 20 others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,049 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Just to update ..... the cheap USB stick I referred to earlier is now working here on Linux as I have updated the kernel to 2.6.37

    All 17 channels are available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭The Bull


    I seen this online and im thinking of buying is it to use with a new vu-duo im thinking of getting, Will it support all the channels including Rte 2HD ?

    http://www.ielektroniks.com/tv-digit...hauppauge.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭The Bull


    the_syco wrote: »

    Yes that the one

    it translates into this
    Quick Receiving Overview TDT WinTV-MiniStick HD Hauppauge! with him you will be to the last one in TDT, since you will be able to see and to record the TDT in High resolution. Conéctalo to your desktop computer, portable or to your compatible receiver linux as they can be these models: Vu Pair, Vu Only, DM800… The new WinTV program v.7 of Hauppauge is HD and uses the graphical card to diminish the consumption of the CPU and this form, not to slow down the operation of the computer. WinTV-MiniStick HD, more portability in a Mini Stick. Smaller, conéctalo to port USB 2,0 of your computer and to its antenna TDT including. In few minutes you will be able to see TDT HD High resolution and TDT in your computer. With at a distance compact control you will be able to use the TimeShifting and to control all the functions easily. Total control of your recordings of TDT HD and TDT with Timer. It records in hard disk with the original quality, your programs in format MPEG-4 H.264 for TDT HD and in MPEG-2 for the TDT. It in advance programs the recording of your favorite programs of TV at any time, although you are absent, by means of our Timer. You will be able to create your videoteca 100% High Definition and Digitalis of films and soccers match! NOTES: •The WinTV-miniSTICK includes a portable digital antenna will be able to use, it while it travels (following the reception). When the home or the office is used in, a building antenna is recommended. •DVB-T Radio is not DAB Radio. •In order to use the WinTV-miniSTICK for the television with the Windows XP Media Center it asks for a certification Media Center DVD or MPEG-2 software decoder since it is obligatory. If you are constructing a Media Center PC, Microsoft talks about in their Web site of a certificate list of decoders Media Center DVD. The Windows Media Center application is included with Windows XP Media Center, Windows 7/Vista Ultimate and Windows 7/Vista Home Premium editions. The attached remote control is not certificate MCE and it does not replace the remote control of Media Center. Product Description. TYPICAL: •Mini Stick of TDT HD (standard MPEG-2 and H.264) and of TDT for its portable one, compatible mini-PC, tablecloth and receivers linux. •Stick HD with antenna connector TV including. •TDT HD has up to 4 times more definition than the normal TDT. •It includes the Timer of recording •WinTVScheduler to once program its recordings of TV, every day or every week •The High resolution without abrir its computer: device USB-2 mini and very easy to install. •H.264 of TDT HD and in MPEG-2 for the TDT. •It includes the remote control TO GO Hauppauge for a easy control of WinTV or Microsoft Media Center (in some models). •Recording in the hard disk in original format. REQUIREMENTS OF THE SYSTEM: •Minimum processor of 1,2 GHz Intel® or equivalent. •In order to see TDT HD: Core Duo processor, 2,8 GHz 4 Intel Pentium or equivalent or 2,0 Processor GHz or superior if combined with a graphical card nVidia 8 •Series or ATI 10 Series and Windows® 7/Vista (32


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