Henry Shefflin - All-Ireland Final Day

mrgaa1

IMO I would hope that Henry would be given shirt number 17 and in the last minute or so he is allowed by the Kilkenny management to come onto the pitch and be part of their historic 5-in-a-row. He is simply the greatest hurler ever to grace the sport and it would only be right that he be allowed to stand on the pitch. Then he can walk up the steps and collect his medal and be part of history.
I know that Kilkenny management are ruthless - and it has worked so well - but lets hope it happens.

Dermo

mrgaa1 wrote: »

IMO I would hope that Henry would be given shirt number 17 and in the last minute or so he is allowed by the Kilkenny management to come onto the pitch and be part of their historic 5-in-a-row. He is simply the greatest hurler ever to grace the sport and it would only be right that he be allowed to stand on the pitch. Then he can walk up the steps and collect his medal and be part of history.
I know that Kilkenny management are ruthless - and it has worked so well - but lets hope it happens.

So Kilkenny are definitely going to win then? Without Shefflin, I think Tipp/Waterford could stand a chance.

Hurling Mad

Really feel for the guy and think the whole GAA world would say the same even though Tipp and Waterfors supporters rubbing their hands in delight no doubt. The Cats will still win, this will drive on the team, like when they did it for James McGarry when he lost his wife and JJ Delaney when he was out injured.

Royal Seahawk

mrgaa1 wrote: »

IMO I would hope that Henry would be given shirt number 17 and in the last minute or so he is allowed by the Kilkenny management to come onto the pitch and be part of their historic 5-in-a-row. He is simply the greatest hurler ever to grace the sport and it would only be right that he be allowed to stand on the pitch. Then he can walk up the steps and collect his medal and be part of history.
I know that Kilkenny management are ruthless - and it has worked so well - but lets hope it happens.

He's an excellent hurler but 'simply the greatest hurler ever to grace the sport'? I disagree, Brian Whelehan all day for me.
I don't think Henry would like to be part of something like you mentioned to be honest. I doubt it would be his style to come on for a couple of minutes to accept the plaudits for a five in a row, which I believe they'll win with or without Shefflin.

cson

My sympathy for him is a little dashed by him having 9 All Ireland medals already more than likely going to be 10. :pac:

Gerard.C

mrgaa1 wrote: »

IMO I would hope that Henry would be given shirt number 17 and in the last minute or so he is allowed by the Kilkenny management to come onto the pitch and be part of their historic 5-in-a-row. He is simply the greatest hurler ever to grace the sport and it would only be right that he be allowed to stand on the pitch. Then he can walk up the steps and collect his medal and be part of history.
I know that Kilkenny management are ruthless - and it has worked so well - but lets hope it happens.

What if Tipp or Waterford win? Then he's just a cripple that cant do anything

Limestone1

Dermo wrote: »

So Kilkenny are definitely going to win then? Without Shefflin, I think Tipp/Waterford could stand a chance.

Well ...maybe if JJ , Tommy Walsh, Cha and Richie Power get injured too, then we might get a close game !

Eddie Brennan was on the radio this morning saying Shefflin would have a big part to play off the field. Cody is not normally one for sentimentality but he did bring James McGarry on in the 2008 final when it was done and dusted.
To name a guy on the bench just to give him a lap of honour would be perceived as presumptious and serve as another motivation factor for the opposition. I don't think he'd do this against Tipp but he might do against Waterford.

adrian522

cson wrote: »

My sympathy for him is a little dashed by him having 9 All Ireland medals already more than likely going to be 10. :pac:

That probably says more about you than it does about him.

He has 7 all Ireland medals by the way.

adrian522

mrgaa1 wrote: »

IMO I would hope that Henry would be given shirt number 17 and in the last minute or so he is allowed by the Kilkenny management to come onto the pitch and be part of their historic 5-in-a-row. He is simply the greatest hurler ever to grace the sport and it would only be right that he be allowed to stand on the pitch. Then he can walk up the steps and collect his medal and be part of history.
I know that Kilkenny management are ruthless - and it has worked so well - but lets hope it happens.

Surely he'll get a medal either way as a member of the panel, doesn't need to limp onto the field to get one.

If they win that is, I agree completely with the posters who say that Tipp or Waterford have a good chance of turning KK over on the day. It wouldn't be right to play an injured player no matter what the score.

The HorsesMouth

Can't see it happening. As Cody has always said,this is about the team and Kilkenny as a whole,the panel of 30 or 31 whatever.There is no room for sentiment and if theres a need for a fit player to take that last subs place then Henry wont get a look in,nor would he want to I feel.

At least with James McGarry the man was fit to play.

VW 1

cson wrote: »

My sympathy for him is a little dashed by him having 9 All Ireland medals already more than likely going to be 10. :pac:

9 all stars, 7 all ireland medals going for 8

deisedevil

mrgaa1 wrote: »

IMO I would hope that Henry would be given shirt number 17 and in the last minute or so he is allowed by the Kilkenny management to come onto the pitch and be part of their historic 5-in-a-row. He is simply the greatest hurler ever to grace the sport and it would only be right that he be allowed to stand on the pitch. Then he can walk up the steps and collect his medal and be part of history.
I know that Kilkenny management are ruthless - and it has worked so well - but lets hope it happens.

No chance of that happening. He'll be there on the steps with the rest IF they win but Cody won't be putting him on the pitch.

You knew what you were doing posting that didn't ya. Come on, be honest! :rolleyes:

cremeegg

adrian522 wrote: »

That probably says more about you than it does about him.

He has 7 all Ireland medals by the way.

I dunno lads.. Im as gracious as the next man... I readily admit that henry is one of the greatest of the greats ... his injury is terrible and no-one likes to see it .. you always want to see the best players on the pitch.. But he does have 7 all ireland medals.. must be his tenth final id say... but i cant help but feel it will increase the likelyhood of tony browne or ken magrath or paul curran or fanning getting their hands on a celtic cross... and thus my sympathy for henry is diluted.

Is that wrong... ???

dastardly00

There are normally 34 or 35 lads at the KK training sessions but not all of them can be named on the match day panel. So it would be unfair on them if someone who is fit isn't named on the panel, and Henry is instead. I don't think Henry would want this to happen either.

It really is a shame that Henry will not be playing, as he is one of the greatest players, if not the greatest player ever.

deisedevil

cremeegg wrote: »

I dunno lads.. Im as gracious as the next man... I readily admit that henry is one of the greatest of the greats ... his injury is terrible and no-one likes to see it .. you always want to see the best players on the pitch.. But he does have 7 all ireland medals.. must be his tenth final id say... but i cant help but feel it will increase the likelyhood of tony browne or ken magrath or paul curran or fanning getting their hands on a celtic cross... and thus my sympathy for henry is diluted.

Is that wrong... ???

Can't help but feel the same way myself. (and then I feel guilty for it, lol. )

Shannonsider

Not a hope will this scenario pan out, as the man would not be 100% fit. As for all the talk about this giving Tipp/Waterford a better chance of winning, I don't think it will make a difference. Comerford came on last Sunday and threw the ball over the bar straight away. Not saying anything about Henry's performances, but this will just mean there are fella's queuing in Kilkenny to wear number 11 in the All Ireland final. I don't think Henry's absence will have any negative affect on the score board in the final.Am I the only one who think's there's no point in either Tipp/Waterford turning up for the final? I know, I know... on any given day.... 15 against 15.... but realistically have theire ever been favourites that seem to play like underdogs EVERY single game??

getleft

For Brian Cody to give Henry the number 17 shirt in order to facilitate his equaling Ringy's record of All Ireland medals would go against the entire philosophy of Cody and what this team is all about. The Kilkenny hurling squad is an almost pure meritocracy where if a fella is going well in training/for the club etc he is given a chance. No jersey is sacred, and no one is untouchable and there is no individualism. It would be very destructive to that ethos should Henry be selected.

Anyway, being the gentleman he is, I doubt Shefflin would want to deny a teammate a crack at an all Ireland final when he cannot add any value to the endeavor given his physical condition.

(BTW I'm a Corkman in case I'm accused of being a Cat for above comments.)

deisedevil

Shannonsider wrote: »

Am I the only one who think's there's no point in either Tipp/Waterford turning up for the final? I know, I know... on any given day.... 15 against 15.... but realistically have theire ever been favourites that seem to play like underdogs EVERY single game??

There's little or no hope for whoever they play in the final. But like you said, on any given day...............

johnnyfruitcake

This will just drive on the KK boys at training, knowing there is a place on the team for an all Ireland final, Henry will still be at all the training sessions and will play a huge part off the field, I cant see them being beaten, especially by Waterford, I think there all Ireland is this weekend...

aidan24326

adrian522 wrote: »

Surely he'll get a medal either way as a member of the panel, doesn't need to limp onto the field to get one.

Of course he will get a medal. And while you wouldn't like to see any lad getting injured, we shouldn't be feeling too sorry for Henry. He has a stack of All-Ireland medals already, and considering he's only 31 he will probably play in another final or two before he retires. It would be tougher on a guy who was heading into his first final or who played for a team that mightn't get the chance again. Henry has experienced All-Ireland final day multiple times, alot of players never even get to play in one.

If they win that is, I agree completely with the posters who say that Tipp or Waterford have a good chance of turning KK over on the day. It wouldn't be right to play an injured player no matter what the score.

If Tipp beat Waterford with an improved and convincing display I'd give them an outside chance of causing an upset, but they really would need to play alot better than they have been playing. If Waterford get through, then I'd give them no chance whatsoever. Apologies to the Deise supporters but there's just no way I could see Waterford winning it. They'd be hugely motivated to atone for the disaster of two years ago and for that reason I'd see the game being a good bit more competitive this time, but Kilkenny would probably still win with a bit to spare.

theverminator5

without henry killkennys odds must have decresed as they have a less chance of winning

Magi11

I think it speaks volumes of the regard we all have for Kilkenny that we totally believe this story. If this was any other county we would be speculating about the likelihood of the injured person starting. I really like the old fashionedness of Kilkenny. No dummy teams, no big newspaper articles, no stunts. Reading this Banty?????

deisedevil

Magi11 wrote: »

I think it speaks volumes of the regard we all have for Kilkenny that we totally believe this story. If this was any other county we would be speculating about the likelihood of the injured person starting. I really like the old fashionedness of Kilkenny. No dummy teams, no big newspaper articles, no stunts. Reading this Banty?????

When is the last time you heard of a team saying a player had done his cruciate ligaments and few weeks later there he was on the starting line up.

But I get what your saying alright, Kilkenny don't have any nonsense about them at all.

teednab-el

mrgaa1 wrote: »

IMO I would hope that Henry would be given shirt number 17 and in the last minute or so he is allowed by the Kilkenny management to come onto the pitch and be part of their historic 5-in-a-row. He is simply the greatest hurler ever to grace the sport and it would only be right that he be allowed to stand on the pitch. Then he can walk up the steps and collect his medal and be part of history.
I know that Kilkenny management are ruthless - and it has worked so well - but lets hope it happens.

No point feeling sorry for him at all. He has too much success as it is. It would be nice to see another player getting his chance to shine though. I love the way you say historic 5 in a row. Dont be so sure of yourself eventhough it is almost a certainty...Kilkenny must win the match first.

Fandango

teednab-el wrote: »

Dont be so sure of yourself eventhough it is almost a certainty...Kilkenny must win the match first.

Wouldnt say it was a certainty at all. Fully expect them to win the AI but whoever the opposition ends up being, having that you stopped KK's five in a row to your name would be a huge thing. They will be hugely up for it. Not that they would need more motivation than winning the McCarthy but im sure it will drive them on that bit more. Obviously we all expect a KK win but stranger things have happened!

WallyGUFC

Don't mean to be insensitive as he is one of the best around, but what do you suggest? He comes on with 2 hurls acting as crutches? He's done his cruciate, sport isn't fair, but he can be safe in the knowledge that he played a massive part in KK achieving the 5 in a row. Him missing 1 match won't change it.

And they have to win it 1st!:D

Fentdog84

There are many fantastic players on the Kilkenny team/panel but I believe Shefflin is head & shoulders above the rest he will be a HUGE loss & secretly I think Cody is very worried now. Henry has been THE Man behind KK's invincibility. He's been the one getting the big scores & is an integral part of their link up play in the forwards the team is practically built around him. It is a massive incentive for Tipp & Waterford to win now next sunday as I think they both would have a very real chance in the final. Even after Henry went off against Cork, their play started to deteriorate. Game on!!

dastardly00

The Irish Times are running this story today about Shefflin heading to Ger Hartmann’s sports injury clinic in Limerick for treatment.

Surely it would require the biggest miracle ever for Henry to be fit for the final.

*walks to the nearest church for a pray....*

theverminator5

terrable to see the best player ever to miss the 5 in a row

mrgaa1

dastardly00 wrote: »

The Irish Times are running this story today about Shefflin heading to Ger Hartmann’s sports injury clinic in Limerick for treatment.

Surely it would require the biggest miracle ever for Henry to be fit for the final.

*walks to the nearest church for a pray....*

who knows - stranger things have happened.

Professey Chin

dastardly00 wrote: »

The Irish Times are running this story today about Shefflin heading to Ger Hartmann’s sports injury clinic in Limerick for treatment.

Surely it would require the biggest miracle ever for Henry to be fit for the final.

*walks to the nearest church for a pray....*

If his cruciate is gone he can go to all the greatest/renowned/voodoo doctors in the world.They can be up to 9 months out.Even small issues can be 10/12 weeks

run_Forrest_run

Fentdog84 wrote: »

There are many fantastic players on the Kilkenny team/panel but I believe Shefflin is head & shoulders above the rest he will be a HUGE loss & secretly I think Cody is very worried now. Henry has been THE Man behind KK's invincibility. He's been the one getting the big scores & is an integral part of their link up play in the forwards the team is practically built around him. It is a massive incentive for Tipp & Waterford to win now next sunday as I think they both would have a very real chance in the final. Even after Henry went off against Cork, their play started to deteriorate. Game on!!

wow, how can you tell if Cody is worried?? it's a bit pathetic that you are happy for the sake of game & competition that Sheff won't be able to play.
I think you'll find when Henry went off the game was over anyway, Cork were being hammered and there was no way Kilkenny were going to let them back into it. It fizzled out because it's hard to remain high tempo when you're making a fool out of the opposition.

dirtyden

Magi11 wrote: »

I think it speaks volumes of the regard we all have for Kilkenny that we totally believe this story. If this was any other county we would be speculating about the likelihood of the injured person starting. I really like the old fashionedness of Kilkenny. No dummy teams, no big newspaper articles, no stunts. Reading this Banty?????

Mmmmm, I do remember reading in the run-up to the last game that Brian Hogan was definitely out, but lo and behold who played centre back! Your point does have some merit they don't go for this kind of thing as much as some other teams, always a great Ger Loughnane ruse.

K4t

dirtyden wrote: »

Mmmmm, I do remember reading in the run-up to the last game that Brian Hogan was definitely out, but lo and behold who played centre back! Your point does have some merit they don't go for this kind of thing as much as some other teams, always a great Ger Loughnane ruse.

Hogan was injured but played because KK's first choice centre back (John Tennyson) was already ruled out due to injury. Hogan had to be replaced in the first half.

danton

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

If his cruciate is gone he can go to all the greatest/renowned/voodoo doctors in the world.They can be up to 9 months out.Even small issues can be 10/12 weeks

Sure I went to a well known orthopedic surgeon in Cork in 2006 with a torn ACL and he told me I didn't need to have an operation as "4 of the Dublin senior football panel were currently playing with torn ACLs". Those were his exact words. I didn't know whether to believe him or not.

I then asked to be referred to another well known orthopedic consultant in Waterford for the operation. So far so good.

mrgaa1

looks like it could happen - can't wait for this final - the build up is just getting better and better

rebel girl 15

Shefflin came through a full training session last night, so it looks like he will be fit for the game

Benny Cake

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Shefflin came through a full training session last night, so it looks like he will be fit for the game

I wouldn't be writing his name on the starting sheet just yet..... I was at the session and while he played the full practise match it was obivous he was minding himself. He wasnt striding out properly and was moving gingerly enough.... Ive no doubt he'll be in the squad for the final but you might see him used from the bench.

In saying all this he still scored 3 points from play and set up 1-3 for TJ Reid last night- all this while only going 60% - Some man......

event

Magi11 wrote: »

I think it speaks volumes of the regard we all have for Kilkenny that we totally believe this story. If this was any other county we would be speculating about the likelihood of the injured person starting. I really like the old fashionedness of Kilkenny. No dummy teams, no big newspaper articles, no stunts. Reading this Banty?????

if he plays, i dont believe he did tear his ACL

maybe bruised or damaged, but not torn

conno16

anyone with any basic grasp of musculoskeletal physiology will know that shefflin and co are fooling themselves if they think they'll be able to compete at anything even near to 50% levels for the final
this is ridiculous in my opinion
what has shefflin left to prove
cody will have a lot to answer for if he even considers starting either of the two players

Diabhal Beag

I'd laugh if all the focus is on Shefflin for AI final day and Eoin Larkin scores a hat-trick :pac:


A lot of mind-games going on I'd say.

conno16

if he starts these two cripples it'll be seriously play into tipps hands

would be great for the game to see tipp give them a good beating anyways
who might assume the role of seamus darby?
have tipp any fat bald guy in the panel that usually cant hit an cows ass with a banjo

dotsflan

conno16 wrote: »

have tipp any fat bald guy in the panel that usually cant hit an cows ass with a banjo

a return for john carroll maybe??:pac::pac:

conno16

get him on the panel straightaway
a stable diet of guinness and taytos for the next 2 weeks as well

deisedevil

conno16 wrote: »

anyone with any basic grasp of musculoskeletal physiology will know that shefflin and co are fooling themselves if they think they'll be able to compete at anything even near to 50% levels for the final
this is ridiculous in my opinion
what has shefflin left to prove
cody will have a lot to answer for if he even considers starting either of the two players

Cody answers to no one. Not even to someone with a basic grasp of musculoskeletal physiology.

Why would it be good for the game if Tipp win by the way? Wouldn't it be good for the game to have the best team there ever was get their 5 in a row and hopefully see everyone else come up to their level. That would be better for the game.

conno16

deisedevil wrote: »

Cody answers to no one. Not even to someone with a basic grasp of musculoskeletal physiology.

give me a break ffs

djScarey

we'll break it gently, Conno.

salthillman

Hope he comes on and and one of the Tipp lads break his legs...

conno16

haven't a clue what ur trying to say or imply mate

conno16

salthillman wrote: »

Hope he comes on and and one of the Tipp lads break his legs...

ho ho ho
real witty

djScarey

conno16 wrote: »

haven't a clue what ur trying to say or imply mate

Thought you were punning on "break", but I was wrong.