has anyone been done for driving alone on lp ?

laser2121

hey i only got my car last week nd i drive alone on lp but not long distance just 3-4 km eg work school in sept u know nd i want to know has anione on boards been done for it ???

questionmark?

laser2121 wrote: »

hey i only got my car last week nd i drive alone on lp but not long distance just 3-4 km eg work school in sept u know nd i want to know has anione on boards been done for it ???

This has being done before but anyways"!

A relative of mine who is a guard basically told me this - if someone is driving alone just for a drive he will apply the law, if someone is driving with the mates messing around he will apply the law, school run he'll apply the law ect...

The only time he will let somebody away with it is if their is no alternative transport and the trip is 100% necessary and of course you have applied for your test and have the letter in the car with you in which case he'll wish you the best of luck in your test.

But thats just him some guards could be more lenient more could be much more harsh. People have/will be fined for driving on their own on a LP.

Lesson is apply for the test, pass it(it's very simple to be fair) and hopefully enjoy a lifetime of happy and safe motoring.

OP you say that you got your car last week ya! does this mean your driving on your own a week after getting your car????

laser2121

questionmark? wrote: »

OP you say that you got your car last week ya! does this mean your driving on your own a week after getting your car????

yes i failed the test once on observation grounds last yr spent 700 euro on lessons before that i got the car as a present so i have some experience but i only got my own car last week

Treehouse72

laser2121 wrote: »

hey i only got my car last week nd i drive alone on lp but not long distance just 3-4 km eg work school in sept u know nd i want to know has anione on boards been done for it ???

Seriously?

laser2121

Treehouse72 wrote: »

Seriously?

yes

corktina

Why havent you re-sat your test yet? if you only failed on observations all you need do is bob your head around more at the mirrors.

Get that test done and prove to us that you are fit to be on the road with us.

furtzy

Young girl that works with my mum got done last year. Car was taken off her at the roadside and she ended up with a court date which resulted in a fine of €500.

Not sure if there was any previous trouble that caused this reaction

Jenna69

corktina wrote: »

Why havent you re-sat your test yet? if you only failed on observations all you need do is bob your head around more at the mirrors.

Get that test done and prove to us that you are fit to be on the road with us.

This type of statement really annoys me. Fit to be on the road with you????????????????? Who do you think you are?????????????????
Anyone on a LP that i know (inlcuding myself) takes more care and caution on the roads because we are on a LP. And i only got my LP in April so it will be at least October before i can take my test so don't say get the test done, i will do my test when i feel ready to do it and not a second before. We all have to start somewhere so give us a chance! Like i said before full licence holders don't want LP holders on the road at all. Well tough!:p:p:p

Cookie_Monster

1 don't drive unaccompanied

2 its only 3-4 km, cycle or walk

3 if you do drive I hope you get caught

shelly22

Jenna69 I totally agree, wt u
some of the driveing I see just mad and it's not from lp drivers

robbie_998

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

1 don't drive unaccompanied

2 its only 3-4 km, cycle or walk

3 if you do drive I hope you get caught

sounds though but i have to agree.

just dont do it like

just learn and pass your test like everybody else and it will work out a lot easier for you when you get stopped at the garda checkpoint.

Cookie_Monster

Jenna69 wrote: »

T i will do my test when i feel ready to do it and not a second before. We all have to start somewhere so give us a chance! Like i said before full licence holders don't want LP holders on the road at all. Well tough!:p:p:p

so you won't do the test until you are ready and you aren't ready to drive alone unrestricted on the roads until you have passed the test* but you are still going to drive anyway?

* by law

L1011

There have been relatively frequent licence checks done outside secondary schools, so don't bother trying.

spoonface

Jenna69 wrote: »

Anyone on a LP that i know (inlcuding myself) takes more care and caution on the roads because we are on a LP.

While Corktina is being a bit harsh, it's important as a learner to know that being careful and cautious is not the same as being competent and experienced. This is why you are required to have an accompanying driver.
An accompanying driver is a second set of eyes, helping you mind your blind spot and anticipate events ahead etc. It's not only for your safety but also for everyone else's safety.

djimi

Jenna69 wrote: »

This type of statement really annoys me. Fit to be on the road with you????????????????? Who do you think you are?????????????????
Anyone on a LP that i know (inlcuding myself) takes more care and caution on the roads because we are on a LP. And i only got my LP in April so it will be at least October before i can take my test so don't say get the test done, i will do my test when i feel ready to do it and not a second before. We all have to start somewhere so give us a chance! Like i said before full licence holders don't want LP holders on the road at all. Well tough!:p:p:p

With the greatest respect Jenna, a leaner is just that; someone who is learning, and as such can range from someone who has never sat behind the wheel of a car to someone who has a couple of years experience. The law regarding learner drivers not driving unaccompanied is there to prevent the former (those with zero experience) from passing a multiple choice exam and jumping behind the wheel of a car. Take offense all you want, but until you can prove you are fit to drive on the roads by passing your test, you have no business being on the roads unaccompanied, no matter how good you might think you are (and believe me most learners are nowhere near as good as they think they are). You can take all the care and pay all the attention you want, leaners drivers dont have the experience nor (for the most part) the skills to drive on their own.

djimi

laser2121 wrote: »

hey i only got my car last week nd i drive alone on lp but not long distance just 3-4 km eg work school in sept u know nd i want to know has anione on boards been done for it ???

For the sake of waiting a few weeks to resit the test is it really worth risking having a black mark against your driving record before you even start? If youre still in school then ask yourself can you afford the fine if you do get done for it?

OldmanMondeo

I was behind someone yesterday morning who was on a learner permit, the guy should not have been on the road with a driving instructor he was that bad.

OP, don't drive alone, it is not worth the hassle if you are stopped.

Jenna69

djimi wrote: »

With the greatest respect Jenna, a leaner is just that; someone who is learning, and as such can range from someone who has never sat behind the wheel of a car to someone who has a couple of years experience. The law regarding learner drivers not driving unaccompanied is there to prevent the former (those with zero experience) from passing a multiple choice exam and jumping behind the wheel of a car. Take offense all you want, but until you can prove you are fit to drive on the roads by passing your test, you have no business being on the roads unaccompanied, no matter how good you might think you are (and believe me most learners are nowhere near as good as they think they are). You can take all the care and pay all the attention you want, leaners drivers dont have the experience nor (for the most part) the skills to drive on their own.

I never claimed to be a great driver, i said i was probably more careful than the next person but how am i meant to get that experience and skill if i dont drive. I need to practice and practice if i'm to pass my test. Like i said just give us a chance. Also if LP drivers are not bothered about driving alone why should you be bothered.

coronaextra

Another point, (it was probably covered many times before but...) If in the case of a learner driver being involved in an accident while driving alone, would the insurance company pay up???

Cookie_Monster

coronaextra wrote: »

Another point, (it was probably covered many times before but...) If in the case of a learner driver being involved in an accident while driving alone, would the insurance company pay up???

they will cover the other party but will chase you for costs as you are in violation of the terms of the contract

Anan1

Jenna69 wrote: »

I never claimed to be a great driver, i said i was probably more careful than the next person but how am i meant to get that experience and skill if i dont drive. I need to practice and practice if i'm to pass my test. Like i said just give us a chance.

Bring a licensed driver with you. You're a learner, you need to learn.

Jenna69 wrote: »

Also if LP drivers are not bothered about driving alone why should you be bothered.

Because you might hit one of us.

coronaextra

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

they will cover the other party but will chase you for costs as you are in violation of the terms of the contract

Was just thinking that myself!!!
So that should be a little thing to consider when L drivers go driving around on their own!

robbie_998

coronaextra wrote: »

Was just thinking that myself!!!
So that should be a little thing to consider when L drivers go driving around on their own!

and also at the scene of accidents the gardai are called in anyway so they could do you in there and then on the spot for being leaner with nobody with you

Jenna69

Anan1 wrote: »

Bring a licensed driver with you. You're a learner, you need to learn.

Because you might hit one of us.[/QUOTE]

I think there's more chance of you hitting me.

paddyland

A learner driving under supervision of an instructor, or at the very least, another qualified driver, is learning, because hopefully, when they make a mistake, they get put right, and gradually, the mistakes are ironed out.

A learner driving alone is NOT learning, all they are doing is reinforcing their own inexperience, and convincing themselves that they know how to drive when they don't.

It is arguable to me whether the test standard is even good enough as it stands, as most people who do it promptly ignore test standards and return to a very amateur standard of driving. But while it stands, it is there for a reason, and is there precisely because some people take an attitude that they can do as they please.

Cookie_Monster

Jenna69 wrote: »

I think there's more chance of you hitting me.

:rolleyes:
Nieve and overconfident

doesn't bode well for your driving I must say

paddyland

Jenna69 wrote: »

I need to practice and practice if i'm to pass my test.

I hope all that practice is under the required and adequate supervision... :rolleyes:

Stark

If you're as brilliant and careful a driver as you say you are, you should have no problem passing the test and driving legally...

Anan1

Jenna69 wrote: »

I think there's more chance of you hitting me.

With all due respect, you don't appear to have any grasp of your own inexperience.

knipex

Jenna69 wrote: »

This type of statement really annoys me. Fit to be on the road with you????????????????? Who do you think you are?????????????????
Anyone on a LP that i know (inlcuding myself) takes more care and caution on the roads because we are on a LP. And i only got my LP in April so it will be at least October before i can take my test so don't say get the test done, i will do my test when i feel ready to do it and not a second before. We all have to start somewhere so give us a chance! Like i said before full licence holders don't want LP holders on the road at all. Well tough!:p:p:p

Passing the test demonstrates you have a minimal level of competence to operate what is potentially a lethal machine.

If you cannot pass the test then you do not have this minimal level of competence and should not be driving unaccompanied. If you can do the test. Its simple.

Jenna69

Stark wrote: »

If you're as brilliant and careful a driver as you say you are, you should have no problem passing the test and driving legally...

Show me where in any of my posts have i said that my driving is brilliant???? Please show me cos i know i never said it.

paddyland

Jenna69 wrote: »

Show me where in any of my posts have i said that my driving is brilliant???? Please show me cos i know i never said it.

Hence the reason for driving tests, and laws governing such... :rolleyes:

Theanswers

To be honest the test is very unfair. It really comes down to the day...
You can fail through no fault of your own!

I bet that half the so-called experienced drivers where to sit a test today, they would fail...

It really isnt as easy as you think, seriously...

Stark

It's not like you have to wait a year for another test if you fail these days. Just do the test again a few weeks later if you fail.

Anan1

Theanswers wrote: »

To be honest the test is very unfair. It really comes down to the day...
You can fail through no fault of your own!

How?

Theanswers wrote: »

It really isnt as easy as you think, seriously...

Passing the test doesn't automatically make one a safe driver, but anyone who can't manage even that basic minimum is not yet ready to drive unaccompanied.

cantdecide

A Learner's Permit is just that- it is not a driving license. That's why it's not called a 'provisional license' any more.

The driving test isn't the enemy, it's only a thing that must be got out of the way. Get it passed and get on with it and quit whinging about how unfair the whole thing is.

I had to do a Theory Test to get a LP for my bike a couple of years ago and I had the test passed after 7 months. Not cos I'm great. Just because it's the way of things and you must be proactive about road safety.

patrickc

Jenna69 wrote: »

Anan1 wrote: »

Bring a licensed driver with you. You're a learner, you need to learn.

Because you might hit one of us.[/QUOTE]

I think there's more chance of you hitting me.

Jenna69 wrote: »

I never claimed to be a great driver, i said i was probably more careful than the next person but how am i meant to get that experience and skill if i dont drive. I need to practice and practice if i'm to pass my test. Like i said just give us a chance. Also if LP drivers are not bothered about driving alone why should you be bothered.

if your more careful how do you not know what speed your doing, or what coasting is?

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67370348&postcount=17

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67268376&postcount=1


when coasting you have alot less control over your car, so more than likely you'll be the one hitting one of us.

furtzy

Jenna69 wrote: »

Anan1 wrote: »

Bring a licensed driver with you. You're a learner, you need to learn.

Because you might hit one of us.[/QUOTE]

I think there's more chance of you hitting me.

Terrible attitude....and displays the very reason why you should be accompanied by an experienced driver

djimi

Jenna69 wrote: »

I never claimed to be a great driver, i said i was probably more careful than the next person but how am i meant to get that experience and skill if i dont drive. I need to practice and practice if i'm to pass my test. Like i said just give us a chance. Also if LP drivers are not bothered about driving alone why should you be bothered.

Give you a chance to do what? Allow some complete driving noob to jump behind the wheel of a car and run me off the road? Get a grip for god sake; you have a learners permit, not a drivers license. Until you can prove you are fit to be on the road then you have no business driving unaccompanied. Its not hard to understand; a car in the hands of someone who does not know how to control it is a potentially lethal object, and there is absolutely nothing you can say to me that will justify someone who has not passed their test driving around unaccompanied.

djimi

Jenna69 wrote: »

Anan1 wrote: »

Bring a licensed driver with you. You're a learner, you need to learn.

Because you might hit one of us.[/QUOTE]

I think there's more chance of you hitting me.

No, there really isnt.

laser2121

djimi wrote: »

With the greatest respect Jenna, a leaner is just that; someone who is learning, and as such can range from someone who has never sat behind the wheel of a car to someone who has a couple of years experience. The law regarding learner drivers not driving unaccompanied is there to prevent the former (those with zero experience) from passing a multiple choice exam and jumping behind the wheel of a car. Take offense all you want, but until you can prove you are fit to drive on the roads by passing your test, you have no business being on the roads unaccompanied, no matter how good you might think you are (and believe me most learners are nowhere near as good as they think they are). You can take all the care and pay all the attention you want, leaners drivers dont have the experience nor (for the most part) the skills to drive on their own.

right nd tell me wer can we get the experience do we get it in the shop or some thing now seriously full licence drivers dont want us on the roads untill wepass our test but how can we pass our test withought driving nd if the reply is lessons iv done 24 nd money dosnt grow on any of the trees outside

djimi

laser2121 wrote: »

right nd tell me wer can we get the experience do we get it in the shop or some thing now seriously full licence drivers dont want us on the roads untill wepass our test but how can we pass our test withought driving nd if the reply is lessons iv done 24 nd money dosnt grow on any of the trees outside

You find a fully licensed driver and you bring them along with you. Either that or you use a driving school. Its an inconvenience I know, but so is causing a fatal accident thru inexperienced or incompetant driving...

Jenna69

Wow you've done your homework ha ha!

Yes patrickc i am a Learner Driver so i don't know everything about everything but who does. I'm sure full licence drivers don't know everything either. Just because you pass your test doesn't mean that all of a sudden you know everything there is to know about driving. Once you start driving you are learning for life. Everyday driving throws up different situations that you have to deal with and learn from.

And i'm definitely not naiive to think i'm an excellent driver at this stage.

C0N0R

laser2121 wrote: »

right nd tell me wer can we get the experience do we get it in the shop or some thing now seriously full licence drivers dont want us on the roads untill wepass our test but how can we pass our test withought driving nd if the reply is lessons iv done 24 nd money dosnt grow on any of the trees outside

Get an experienced driver to sit with you. Parent friend relative. Shouldn't cost much if anything.

godtabh

Jenna69 wrote: »

Anyone on a LP that i know (inlcuding myself) takes more care and caution on the roads because we are on a LP. And i only got my LP in April so it will be at least October before i can take my test so don't say get the test done, i will do my test when i feel ready to do it and not a second before. We all have to start somewhere so give us a chance! Like i said before full licence holders don't want LP holders on the road at all. Well tough!:p:p:p

And you fell capable to drive on your own when your not meant to be in the meant time?

hobochris

laser2121 wrote: »

right nd tell me wer can we get the experience do we get it in the shop or some thing now seriously full licence drivers dont want us on the roads untill wepass our test but how can we pass our test withought driving nd if the reply is lessons iv done 24 nd money dosnt grow on any of the trees outside

As has been said you get an experienced driver (who has held their licence for at least two years as the new law states) or pay for lessons.

If money is a problem then that is your problem, driving is a privilege not a right( Many learners seem to have the misguided idea that it is the latter ).

Jenna69

godtabh wrote: »

And you fell capable to drive on your own when your not meant to be in the meant time?

Didn't understand a word of that. English please.

elbee

I just don't understand this attitude of 'the rules don't apply to me because the rules are silly and I know better.'

The law says you can't. Simple as. Why do some learners believe that they are so magical and special that the rules don't apply? That is actually a serious question, I really want to know the logic behind it.

I'm a learner driver too, and I wouldn't think of driving unaccompanied. I'm pretty sure the law doesn't say 'Drivers holding a learner's permit cannot drive unaccompanied unless they really feel like it, in which case the Oireachtas believes it's, like, totally fine.' It also doesn't exempt me by name because of my utter fabulousness (ingrates. . .).

That attitude really annoys me because it ends with all learners being tarred with the same brush.

Anan1

Jenna69 wrote: »

And i'm definitely not naiive to think i'm an excellent driver at this stage.

You must be a very fast learner, given that you posted this only five weeks ago:

Jenna69 wrote: »

OMG i conked out in the middle of a roundabout yesterday, i went into it ok but i slowed down as i was turning and when i went to accelerate into my exit i conked out, couldn't understand what i did wrong. I started up the engine again, into 1st gear and onto acc while letting up clutch and out again, this happened three times until i realised i wasn't on the acc at all but kept hitting the brake instead of acc. No wonder i couldn't take off. Can you tell i'm on a LP :o:o
Also thanks to the van driver coming behind me for giving me plenty of time to recover and not hurrying me by beeping me along. Cheers;)

laser2121

patrickc wrote: »

Jenna69 wrote: »

if your more careful how do you not know what speed your doing, or what coasting is?

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67370348&postcount=17

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67268376&postcount=1


when coasting you have alot less control over your car, so more than likely you'll be the one hitting one of us.

so ur tellingme thar having the clutch pressed down gives me less control over my car

how ??

djimi

Jenna69 wrote: »

Wow you've done your homework ha ha!

Yes patrickc i am a Learner Driver so i don't know everything about everything but who does. I'm sure full licence drivers don't know everything either. Just because you pass your test doesn't mean that all of a sudden you know everything there is to know about driving. Once you start driving you are learning for life. Everyday driving throws up different situations that you have to deal with and learn from.

And i'm definitely not naiive to think i'm an excellent driver at this stage.

Passing your test doenst mean you know everything, but it shows you know enough to at least be considered competant on the road. Having never passed your test, you have not proved yourself a competant driver. Im really not sure what part of that concept you are finding so hard to grasp.