Disruptive posting in rail threads

Calina

The rail threads are once more becoming disruptive and unwelcoming for the vast majority of users.

I would like to remind regulars of the following comments in the charter:

Charter wrote:

Disruptive posting is not permitted. This includes the use of multiple accounts, spamming, baiting, trolling and anythign that makes it difficult for users to read the board, including, but not limited to oversized images, non-standard text or fonts (unless there is a particualr reason) or use of txt spk.

The charter in full can be read here

It is disappointing to have to police rail threads particularly but repeated requests to tone down the messing have gone unheeded.

Before posting, please stop for one moment and ask are you being constructive or disruptive, and more to the point, how will it be perceived by others reading.

Continued trolling/disruption will result in bans and thread closures.

corktina

whereas i fully agree with you that better policing and self-restraint by members is needed, regularly closing perfectly legimate topics because of such problems only rewards people who may seek to disrupt them and may in fact encourage people (who for reasons of their own wish to see a particular topic disappear) to be disruptive.

I don't know what the solution is but closing down topics punishes the innocent and is akin to a Teacher keeping the whole class in as a result of one miscreants activities.

Cookie_Monster

corktina wrote: »

I don't know what the solution is but closing down topics punishes the innocent and is akin to a Teacher keeping the whole class in as a result of one miscreants activities.

solution is to delete the trouble causing posts, but thats an unfair amount of work put on Mods so locking it is easier and fairer on them rather than constantly having to clean up the mess.

westtip

Actually I think the rail threads work perfectly ok until a certain moderator comes along and polices the place like teacher with a class full of naughty five year olds. I see DW Commuter has been banned - what a joke to ban one of the best thinking minds on the transport and commuting threads. If this is the direction Boards.ie wants to go down the place is becoming a joke.

I presume this thread was opened and given a sticky so others could give their views on the whole matter. So that is what I have done expressed an opinion - rather surprisingly that's what I thought Boreds.ie (sic) was about.

Historically bans and gagging has never worked, in any medium, but if it makes Boreds.ie happy to do so - this is their house. Personally I think its excessive and actually I cannot see what the aforementioned poster has done to warrant a ban.

Judgement Day

I have to agree and I think it's a big mistake to go banning someone like DW who has a lot to contribute here. One only has to look at how little discussion takes place on Platform 11/RUI to see what banning and locking threads does to a forum. Apart from the odd newbie who stumbles into it nobody does much discussing of anything on RUI except the mods between themselves. Any disagreement with the powers that be is not allowed, and my continual raising of issues such as Fastrack and CIE/IE/RUI's scorched earth policy towards station buildings and staff were like a red rag to a bull. I enjoy the Boards, the cut and thrust of discussions and, indeed, most of the humour. I note that both here and on Irish Railway News I seem to be fair game for character assassination whilst others are protected - nothing new there then. :rolleyes:

Ham'nd'egger

westtip wrote: »

Actually I think the rail threads work perfectly ok until a certain moderator comes along and polices the place like teacher with a class full of naughty five year olds. I see DW Commuter has been banned - what a joke to ban one of the best thinking minds on the transport and commuting threads. If this is the direction Boards.ie wants to go down the place is becoming a joke.

I presume this thread was opened and given a sticky so others could give their views on the whole matter. So that is what I have done expressed an opinion - rather surprisingly that's what I thought Boreds.ie (sic) was about.

Historically bans and gagging has never worked, in any medium, but if it makes Boreds.ie happy to do so - this is their house. Personally I think its excessive and actually I cannot see what the aforementioned poster has done to warrant a ban.

In fairness, he has only himself to blame for any ban that he has received here over the years. He has been banned several times before and for somebody who works in the media as he does, he more than anybody ought to know that shooting ones hip is not the way to go.

Judgement Day

Would this count as one?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67317188&postcount=22

zagmund

The first line of this thread says "The rail threads are once more becoming disruptive and unwelcoming for the vast majority of users." It's not wrong.

Moderating is not a fun job, but the mods are there for a reason. If people are being disruptive the mods have to do something. Of course the person getting the sanction isn't going to like it but that's the way it goes.

The repetitive jibes and dragging off topic from a number of users is the same as some bloke in the pub who keeps butting into the conversation and saying "Did I ever tell you about the time I was Borneo . . .". At first it's interesting. After the nth conversation has been turned around to Borneo it gets a bit tiresome, not least because we f'ing know about his views on Borneo at this stage and we don't need to hear them again.

I think it is probably worth noting that some posters have reminded us a number of times that they have been banned from this forum, from that forum, from a third forum, etc . . . I think the clue is in the admission to being banned from numerous forums.

I've been very active in a number of Irish forums. However, when I got tired of them I didn't go interjecting into mutiple discussions asking "Did I ever tell you about the time I was in Borneo . . ." and get myself banned. I just stopped using the forums. Simples, eh ?

I agree with the moderation policy & practice on Boards in general and this forum in particular.

z

westtip

It's Boreds.ie loss. For some strange reason I always thought this place was for recreational sounding off - actually it seems like its a waste of bloody time, for the time being I am out of this forum I hope ye all enjoy yourselves, mind your ps and qs tho, cos otherwise you will all get banned.

paddyland

It can be very hard to read and enjoy the very informative and mind broadening debates on transport related topics, when a certain element of posters with absolutely no knowledge or foundation post abject nonsense, to no obvious end other than to wind up and undermine people who try to debate fairly. Some of these insipid posts can either wittingly or unwittingly be very offensive to posters who actually work in, have knowledge of, and take pride in, the transport arena. You cannot blame these people for getting very annoyed in return.

Reading over the couple of threads that have been closed recently, it is quite obvious to me who is contributing in a meaningful way to informative discussion, or trying to, and who the wind up merchants are. However, if one were to report every post that causes offence, Boards would need a full time team to cope with it. I would like to know how many reports of posts a mod would find reasonable, because there are quite a few I would report, if I didn't feel I was wasting someone's time.

shamwari

zagmund wrote: »

I think it is probably worth noting that some posters have reminded us a number of times that they have been banned from this forum, from that forum, from a third forum, etc . . . I think the clue is in the admission to being banned from numerous forums.

I agree. When someone gets banned, there's always rants, raves, diatribes and fulminations at the moderators, whilst at the same time, the very actions which might have precipitated the ban in the first place are coveniently overlooked.

zagmund wrote: »

I agree with the moderation policy & practice on Boards in general and this forum in particular.

So do I. I post in several other forums on this board and have not witnesses the sort of gratuitous nonsense that sometimes goes on here. A clear look at the significant number of "Thank You" messages on the mods post above illustrates that the majority do indeed support the mods.

westtip wrote: »

what a joke to ban one of the best thinking minds on the transport and commuting threads.

A "best thinking mind" should stand out for all of the right reasons. Yes it is unfortunate that he was banned and I don't like seeing this sort of thing happening either. As in life, we can all be the architect of our own success, and sometimes unfortunately, our undoing too.

aliveandkicking

westtip wrote: »

Actually I think the rail threads work perfectly ok until a certain moderator comes along and polices the place like teacher with a class full of naughty five year olds.

My thoughts exactly. The moderator in question seems to breeze in to commuting and transport every so often make their presence felt and then isn't heard of again until the next time they get their knickers in a twist. The place generally runs fine when said moderator isn't around taking offence to everything.

Hungerford

shamwari wrote: »

I agree. When someone gets banned, there's always rants, raves, diatribes and fulminations at the moderators, whilst at the same time, the very actions which might have precipitated the ban in the first place are coveniently overlooked.

I don't think that anyone has a clue why he was banned. I certainly didn't notice anything particularly offensive about his recent behaviour.

P_1

Personally I feel that this forum has a bit of a bad vibe about it at times. Particularly when a certain mod has no input to it aside from closing threads and banning posters.

This may get me into a spot of bother

zagmund

I would have thought that it was normal not to hear from a mod except when there was moderation to be done. In other words if the forum is ticking along nicely you're not going to get a moderator coming in and telling everyone they are doing a great job, keep it up, and have a little bit of a treat for being such good posters. This is normal.

z

Hungerford

zagmund wrote: »

I would have thought that it was normal not to hear from a mod except when there was moderation to be done.

On most boards I am a member of, the mod tends to be encountered regularly as a poster. It also has the added advantage that they can nip trouble in the bud and don't have to go in like the stazi at a later point.

highlydebased

I dont know, sometimes some people get a bit out of hand here. Posting "Hey Porter" videos and stuff like that in rail threads which has no real relevance and having a go at people thanking posts ("All your thank merchants.."). I'm all for a debate but if you cant do it without being childish and silly then just go somewhere else.

Transportuser09

I would have to agree with Callina's decision - there is a tendancy for many posts in this section to go way off topic, particularly as rail related discussions seem to be used by certain individuals as vehicles to vent their personal grudges, etc... There have also been instances of threads which were obviously set up to stir things up.

L1011

zagmund wrote: »

I would have thought that it was normal not to hear from a mod except when there was moderation to be done. In other words if the forum is ticking along nicely you're not going to get a moderator coming in and telling everyone they are doing a great job, keep it up, and have a little bit of a treat for being such good posters. This is normal.

z

A moderator should be a regular user of the forum they moderate. Unless you operate a system where the moderators have separate shell accounts for moderation activities, you would expect to see them post regularly *as normal posters*.

Having a moderator who sits and only surfaces when required - and isn't a shell account used for such - is not normal.

Victor

pithater1 wrote: »

Personally I feel that this forum has a bit of a bad vibe about it at times. Particularly when a certain mod has no input to it aside from closing threads and banning posters.

Do you want to say this person's name out loud?

Moderators tend to react to three things (a) things that are reported (b) things they spot themselves while browsing (c) things that are "odd" e.g. a thread gaining dozens of posts in a day.

There are some threads that I never read and wouldn't moderate unless (a) or (c) happened.

This may get me into a spot of bother

Meaningful feedback isn't a problem.

penexpers

Has any consideration been given to getting more moderators? Other less busy forums seem to have more moderators.

westtip

Victor wrote: »

Do you want to say this person's name out loud?

.

I will say it out loud Victor - Calina.

Hungerford

penexpers wrote: »

Has any consideration been given to getting more moderators? Other less busy forums seem to have more moderators.

I would gladly become a moderator if I could figure out how to apply. I'm reading the rail threads constantly so I'd be in a good place to spot anything dodgy. Plus I'm not affiliated to any of the rival groups which seem to surface on the board from time to time. My post count isn't the highest though....

Cookie_Monster

Hungerford wrote: »

I would gladly become a moderator if I could figure out how to apply. I'm reading the rail threads constantly so I'd be in a good place to spot anything dodgy. Plus I'm not affiliated to any of the rival groups which seem to surface on the board from time to time. My post count isn't the highest though....

you can't apply, you have to be asked.

(asking to apply rules you out to, rumour has it )

Judgement Day

I agree with post #19 by MYOB - a moderator should be a regular contributor to a forum and it seems to be the case in the other forums that I frequent. That said I appreciate that there has been a fair bit of **** stirring in this forum (some of it down to me) but at least it keeps it lively and when certain people are banned there is noticeably less activity. As for posting items such as "Oh Mr. Porter" for God's sake lighten up - Boards is supposed to be a bit of fun as well as informative! If you want to read dry old ****e and count axleboxes you know where to go.

Cookie_Monster

Judgement Day wrote: »

As for posting items such as "Oh Mr. Porter" for God's sake lighten up - Boards is supposed to be a bit of fun as well as informative! If you want to read dry old ****e and count axleboxes you know where to go.

while some of the posting gets annoying, this is key for me. Boards should be fun. Many jokey posts ad to the conversation and move it along. This forum is dry enough already without this kind of thing every now and again.

Oliver1985

Hungerford wrote: »

I would gladly become a moderator if I could figure out how to apply. I'm reading the rail threads constantly so I'd be in a good place to spot anything dodgy. Plus I'm not affiliated to any of the rival groups which seem to surface on the board from time to time. My post count isn't the highest though....

As a major lurker of the transport forum you could get my vote anyway , its pretty obvious the problem on here you have people you give a great input on both sides then you have the tools who behave like a 2 year old with there "is that you barry" and "you must be an cie manager"

Judgement Day

Oliver1985 wrote: »

As a major lurker of the transport forum you could get my vote anyway , its pretty obvious the problem on here you have people you give a great input on both sides then you have the tools who behave like a 2 year old with there "is that you barry" and "you must be an cie manager"

One of those quotes you can put down to me and if you don't get the point of the Barry Kenny question then that's your problem. There are far too many apologists for CIE/IE who pop in here from time to time. Why is that I get the feeling that even this thread is entering dangerous territory and a lock is imminent - think I'll quit while I'm ahead.

thomasj

I do agree that moderators should contribute more but they have lives like the rest of us and moderating is a big enough and thankless

The commoderators had to remove a name of a person as a result of a complaint received

People cross the line at times thats the reason we need moderators like the moderator in question.

Hungerford

thomasj wrote: »

The commoderators had to remove a name of a person as a result of a complaint received

To be honest, I don't see why they had to. The comment certainly wasn't even remotely libellous.

Anyway, I think that we actually have two different but related problems here regarding rail threads: 1. the misbehaviour of certain posters and 2. poor moderating [that's my application in the bin ].

My own suspicion is that they are interlinked. The problem at the moment is that some individuals are essentially baiting the mods, the mods are too slow to act [there's doubts that some even read this board on a regular basis], when they do act they come down overly hard and the cycle begins again.

I think that we actually need lighter, more flexible, moderating which will nip issues in the bud quickly with the minimum of bloodshed. From experience, the best moderating is the type you notice least where dodgy comments are removed quietly, the posters involved are quietly spoken to via PM and the threads remain open for discussion.

popebenny16

its is an emotive topic. we can all see the craven (no pun intended) attitude that Irish Rail has towards what is going on, we can see the opportunistic and parochial methodology that the tds use regarding our rail network and the way that methodology is used to apply pressure to CIE/IE to get what the present power cabal wants. Noel Dempsey's website with trains with Navan on them, for example, not to mention the WRC.

you cannot blame posters who have - in real life - done the business with these buffoons and chancers and then come on here to be tackled by their cheerleaders and become cynical, annoyed and fustrated. This is not a dry exercise in achedemia. there are groups out there who when you see a mark three train, for example, being taken back into service at their behest, seem to have some sort of inner sanctum access to IE. I was told, to my face, by a senior IE manager that all such talk of that railtour being a mark 3 was not true - two weeks later it was happening, despite him saying that if it was he would know about it and he didnt, and that the resources for refurb and passing one into service simply did not exist.

when faced with this sort of attitude in real life, can you blame some of us for going "off the rails" (pun intended this time) from time to time when you see apologists and spinners for IE management.

And, yes, I am sorry for the wake up call Callina, but Irish Rail Management do read your board. Unlike on RUI where I can call up the IP address of the posters and viewers, you cannot know who they are, but they are there, which is why you have a conflict of interests thread in your own board. It is in this atmosphere that you will get these annoyances from people who, lets face it, will never get anything out of this, because of the activities and the goading of those who are, indeed, flag bearers for irish rail managment who have bent over backwards to accommodate them, and bugger the passenger.

So there's your "why" for the disruptive posts. Unless you get that then it is self defeating in trying to police this issue and all you will end up doing is closing threads.

Hungerford

popebenny16 wrote: »

And, yes, I am sorry for the wake up call Callina, but Irish Rail Management do read your board. Unlike on RUI where I can call up the IP address of the posters and viewers, you cannot know who they are, but they are there, which is why you have a conflict of interests thread in your own board.

I've long come to conclusion that Irish Rail management have been reading this board (a big hello to Barry Kenny and the guys!) - it's absolutely inconceivable that they would be monitoring RUI's board and not this one. I also have my suspicions about some of the posters here based on what they get up to from time to time...

Judgement Day

I'm damn sure they monitor all discussion about them here and elsewhere, as they certainly did in the 1970s. I was through some old Dept of Transport offices in Kildare Street in the late 1970s and got loads of newclippings files. They used to have a weekly internal management newsletter - Eolas (?) - and every newscutting from every newspaper (including provincial ones) that mentioned CIE was reproduced in it. Remember, just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!

dermo88

Here is my view on it.

The job of a moderator is thankless, and can be boring. The moderator can be a poster, but I have observed over the years that they can be biased.

At some point in time, a line has to be set. If a poster keeps breaching the rules and blatantly ignoring the instructions given a by a moderator, eventually they will be banned, no matter how informative they were.

If a poster is banned on spurious grounds, then the poster should retain enough evidence to publicly embarrass the website, the moderator, and defend themselves. I did that quite effectively with IRN, but thats not relevant to boards.ie. If I have an axe to grind against another website, then its not to be said here.

Then again....lets see, lets go for it. They (IRN) are using an outdated, outmoded colour scheme on a site about Irish Railways. Now, lets see how fast I last before a moderator goes and warns me.

I like the "light touch" moderation on this section of boards.ie. But if that changes, then we are the lesser for it.

As for CIE, they are in the Self preservation society. Last week it was Greek State Railways on the chopping block with IMF motivated cutbacks and privatisation. The litany of waste in Greece was positively breathtaking, it made Fianna Fail and the Anglo Irish scandal look like altarboys. At some stage soon, inevitably, Iarnrod Eireann and the CIE group will face the same axeman. Thats why they monitor all we say and do.

popebenny16

well, it boils down to the following;

1. people posting who really cannot believe what is being done to the rail service in this country and are at their wits end about it

2. people who seem to think that the railways were better in some past day and are more interested in that then campaigning to fight what is going on

3. a mixture of the two.

4. employees of IE with an axe to grind against the likes of RUI ect

5. people who are appreicative of IE organising junkets for them which means they are defensive of IE

the problem is that when one member of each school of thought addresses the other it results in the deep antagonism coming to the surface.

I actually dont think that anyone from the IE PR office has an account and posts here, they would stick out a mile. what you get arepeople who work in inchicore or elsewhere who think that people who go agin IE will eventually have their job. This is nonsense, the person who will have their job is Colm McCarthy. Just like those companies who didnt have the balls to sack their workforces and got in a downsizer the Government have him to blame for what they will do to IE and they will not give a toss - and neither will he.

The big issue facing irish rail is making itself relevant in the post tiger ireland. I know for a fact, having spoken to them, that my ten year old son has a better chance of doing that. They have a terrible ostrich-like quality to them, maybe is good old fashioned shock, but they seem frozen in the headlights and seem to think that offering up the likes of Rosslare for a ritual sacrifice will stay off the evil day. It wont.

The underlying problem is that we are living, in fact the terribly sad fact is that we have lived through the greatest opportunity the railways in this country had in over 100 years and it has been blown. It probably will not happen for another 100 years. In those circumstances you cannot blame people venting, tearing hair out and generally losing the plot.

As for modding this board, I am an ex-mod on boards.ie and I think the C&T board is modded better then most to be honest, there is a line, its nothing new, and we can vent without crossing it.

shamwari

dermo88 wrote: »

Here is my view on it.

The job of a moderator is thankless, and can be boring. The moderator can be a poster, but I have observed over the years that they can be biased.

At some point in time, a line has to be set. If a poster keeps breaching the rules and blatantly ignoring the instructions given a by a moderator, eventually they will be banned, no matter how informative they were.

If a poster is banned on spurious grounds, then the poster should retain enough evidence to publicly embarrass the website, the moderator, and defend themselves. I did that quite effectively with IRN, but thats not relevant to boards.ie. If I have an axe to grind against another website, then its not to be said here.

Then again....lets see, lets go for it. They (IRN) are using an outdated, outmoded colour scheme on a site about Irish Railways. Now, lets see how fast I last before a moderator goes and warns me.

I like the "light touch" moderation on this section of boards.ie. But if that changes, then we are the lesser for it.

I think this has to go down as perhaps the most hypocritcal post I've ever read anywhere. :rolleyes:

dermo88

Thanks, I have been insulted by worse people, so coming from you, should I regard it as a compliment? One could call it hypocrisy, I prefer to call it diplomacy, cloaked in sarcasm.

corktina

dermo is not the Messiah, he is a very naughty boy!

Would anyone actually want to be a Moderator on here? I think Id rather be one of the Boys in the Front Bar

Cookie_Monster

given this whole topic, has anyone found C&T quieter than usual recently

foggy_lad

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

given this whole topic, has anyone found C&T quieter than usual recently

Everywhere is quiet in the busiest few weeks in the year for taking holidays!

shamwari

dermo88 wrote: »

I prefer to call it diplomacy, cloaked in sarcasm.

Call it what you like. It's still nonsense.

dermo88

Thank you Shamwari, thats the conduct that will get the pair of us kicked out. The board has already lost DWCommuter, but there were not many options left to the moderator in question. You took the last clause in the post, and twisted it to suit your agenda. The real agenda here is:

Discuss commuting and transport

Solve problems

Expose CIE and their obvious lies (well....thats a personal aim)

Discuss various other issues.

I admit it was not one of my better posts, and had too much of the Sir Humphrey Appleby's in it. You should have noticed I used "Italics", which implies a tongue in cheek remark. If you do not understand that, then I was incorrect and hope you are not too upset.

Cookie_Monster

shamwari wrote: »

Call it what you like. It's still nonsense.

how and why?

I see nothing but sense in it

popebenny16

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

how and why?

I see nothing but sense in it

i dont see anything wrong with it either, and if you are banned from C&T you can go to the help desk forum (if its still there) and appeal to the Cmods (if thats what they are still called) and upwards. I know that none of the admins ect have any axe to grind either way and would be impartial on this issue.

it is easy though to mistake moderator bias when it does not exist. I dont for example think Callina has any gra for the anti-critical-of-ie posters here. I know that Victor, for example, hates me with a passion, but as an ex-mod I cannot be banned from anywhere on the site for a period of three years.

westtip

dermo88 wrote: »

The board has already lost DWCommuter, but there were not many options left to the moderator in question. .

Have I missed something here - apart from some kind of vendetta against DW by Calina I can't actually see why he got banned. Calina created this thread and no doubt he/she will close the thread very soon - contemplating our collective navel and banning people from expressing opinions and at times being witty and dry in their sardonic comments will get nobody anywhere. Wit and dry humour is very welcome on bored.ie I fully expect Calina to ban everybody soon from this forum and then start posting up posts and answering them her self - perhaps her (for I do believe it is a female of the species) and Victor can carry a conversation in every rail thread on the board, chatting away in agreement with themselves - for crissakes will some of ye loosen up......the reason why noone is posting on the rail thread is cos if you don't sound a like a trainspotter you aren't one and are clearly not welcome to make your opinion heard. Bring back Nigel and Tarquin I say. JD crack open the ginger beer.....

Victor

Can we leave Dermo's personality out of this thread?

dermo88 wrote: »

Then again....lets see, lets go for it. They (IRN) are using an outdated, outmoded colour scheme on a site about Irish Railways. Now, lets see how fast I last before a moderator goes and warns me.

Insofar as they don't affect the passenger experience, we do prefer if the inner workings of other organisations didn't feature here. In can be unseemly.

Wit and dry humour is very welcome on bored.ie

Indeed.

westtip wrote: »

contemplating our collective navel and banning people from expressing opinions and at times being witty and dry in their sardonic comments will get nobody anywhere.

Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. People aren't entitled to insult, troll, bait, be disruptive or make people be concerned for their personal safety. Details are in the charter.

I fully expect Calina to ban everybody soon from this forum

There are 68 accounts which have ever had their access permissions (mostly, but not necessarily exclusively bans and unbans) changed on C&T* **. 29 are currently banned (about half down to 3 individuals with different accounts). 9 of those are since the software upgrade (April 2009?) that allows date and reason for bans to be recorded. Not a whole lot of people get banned.

Bring back Nigel and Tarquin I say. JD crack open the ginger beer.....

You see this as a bit of craic. Other see it as at best rediculing, perhaps baiting, at worst insulting and even racist.

the reason why noone is posting on the rail thread is cos if you don't sound a like a trainspotter you aren't one and are clearly not welcome to make your opinion heard.

Are you suggesting that only trainspotters are allowed post and any one else isn't. Shoul I ban myself?




* Does not necessarily include people who have been site banned.

** Approximately 125 from Accommodation & Property, 700+ from Personal Issues.

dermo88

Which is why I italicised that particular section. In any case, if suspensions bannings are going to be the order of the day around here, then I may as well see if anyone in Ireland can get me a new membership of the rotary club, where there are lashings and lashings of ginger beer and ambrosia creamed rice served in a craven manner by a coven of anoraked goons. I won't use the word "twats" again to describe the Minister of Transport, Chairman of CIE, Braindead lobbyists, for fear of being sued in courts for a replacement set of false teeth when they fly out of the window of the craven in shock.

westtip

dermo88 wrote: »

. I won't use the word "twats" again to describe the Minister of Transport, Chairman of CIE, Braindead lobbyists, .

Why not everybody else does? Although perhaps not in writing, and perhaps twats is a bit below the belt but for example is it wrong for me to say about Dempsey - You know he's lying cos his lips are moving. He is a politician therefore open to comments like this.

I have written to several politicians and told them they are brain dead - but they haven't sued me....

aliveandkicking

Victor wrote: »

There are 68 accounts which have ever had their access permissions (mostly, but not necessarily exclusively bans and unbans) changed on C&T* **. 29 are currently banned (about half down to 3 individuals with different accounts). 9 of those are since the software upgrade (April 2009?) that allows date and reason for bans to be recorded. Not a whole lot of people get banned.

Would be interesting to see a breakdown of how many Calina has changed their access permissions on C&T compared to yourself Victor. How many of the 68 were yours I wonder? I'd say very few have any problems with your moderation of this forum as you generally apply common sense, unfortunately Calina often behaves like a bossy schoolteacher with a class full of 4 year olds.

zagmund

Last time I checked there was a forum somewhere in the depths of Boards for dicsussion of moderation policies. You can go on and on and on about individual moderators here but it's not going to change the fact that moderators are here to moderate and that's what's happened in this case.

z

popebenny16

yes, it used to be feedback but those things should go to helpdesk to prevent the "fight the power" bandwagoners going on.

if DWC is banned then I'm ****ed if i can see why, having checked his post history, but going by his new sig it seems like it may be the second-to-last.