TNA Suspend Samoa Joe?

CMpunked

Not sure I should post this in it's own thread seeing as it is just a rumour.. But looks like Samoa joes been given his marching orders. Link to follow...

CMpunked

Off the WWR Facebook page:
Breaking news: Samoa Joe has been suspended from TNA indefinitely due to an apparent bad attitude. There is also speculation that the company hasn't been happy with Joe's weight.


www.wwr.ie up-date: Samoa Joe was said to be very upset following his recent match with Jeff Hardy on Impact which ended in a time limit draw. According to Jason Powell, Joe "blew up backstage" following the bout because he felt the finish was given away by TNA having ring announcer Jeremy Borash say there were 30 seconds remaining when Joe specifically asked them not to.

Joe hasn’t worked for the company since the outburst. He wasn’t on hand for last week’s Impact television tapings in Orlando. One source claims Joe yelled at production team members David Sahadi and Keith Mitchell, while others say it was Vince Russo — who reportedly instructed Borash.

Meanwhile, another source felt that Joe was right about the finish being given away, but added that he handled the situation poorly.

D2D

CMpunked wrote: »

Off the WWR Facebook page:
Breaking news: Samoa Joe has been suspended from TNA indefinitely due to an apparent bad attitude. There is also speculation that the company hasn't been happy with Joe's weight.


www.wwr.ie up-date: Samoa Joe was said to be very upset following his recent match with Jeff Hardy on Impact which ended in a time limit draw. According to Jason Powell, Joe "blew up backstage" following the bout because he felt the finish was given away by TNA having ring announcer Jeremy Borash say there were 30 seconds remaining when Joe specifically asked them not to.

Joe hasn’t worked for the company since the outburst. He wasn’t on hand for last week’s Impact television tapings in Orlando. One source claims Joe yelled at production team members David Sahadi and Keith Mitchell, while others say it was Vince Russo — who reportedly instructed Borash.

Meanwhile, another source felt that Joe was right about the finish being given away, but added that he handled the situation poorly.

Cant say I blame Joe on this.

Headshot

not happy with his weight? well have a look at hardy, joe's weight suits him

waltersobchak

Joe weight? Thats such BS, at the end of the day, the guy is never gonna be John Cena or Batista, but the over weightness is kind of part of his gimmick and i cant imagine him being any other way..

Sirsok

In fairness he was givin leave to lose weight (when he was attacked by ninjas) and he hasnt really approved, personally i still think he's awesome but i can see why mamagement would be pissed......also you cant really scream at someone like that, agreed borash announcin it did give it away but to blow up infront of dixie to seems a bit to aggro so i fully understand..........

also cant see TNA being to happy with AJ for a interview he gave statin how he is or was pissed of .....heres link

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/stories/AJ_Styles_Speaks_Out_-_Being_Pissed_Off_RVD_M.shtml

D2D

Sirsok wrote: »

In fairness he was givin leave to lose weight (when he was attacked by ninjas) and he hasnt really approved, personally i still think he's awesome but i can see why mamagement would be pissed......also you cant really scream at someone like that, agreed borash announcin it did give it away but to blow up infront of dixie to seems a bit to aggro so i fully understand..........

also cant see TNA being to happy with AJ for a interview he gave statin how he is or was pissed of .....heres link

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/stories/AJ_Styles_Speaks_Out_-_Being_Pissed_Off_RVD_M.shtml

Oh TNA, how I love you

Sirsok

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Oh TNA, how I love you

I know had to laugh as i wrote it

CMpunked

waltersobchak wrote: »

Joe weight? Thats such BS, at the end of the day, the guy is never gonna be John Cena or Batista,

Going by the tantrum, maybe he does? :P

Vince135792003

Samoa Joe is a really unique,valuable wrestler. He's someone different (in a good way) and gave TNA in his matches a different feel to the matches you would see in the WWE.

From the outside looking in they have ****ed Joe around and completely miscast him the same way they have AJ Styles.

GTR63

Joe not going to be the next Batista or Cena.People say that like they're Famous. Paul Heyman said recently & he's right, Nobody outside Wrestling fans knows any wrestlers now compared to 10 years ago.Everyone knew who Stone Cold & The Rock were then.
As for Joe I think he needs a kick in the ass & i'm a BIG Fan of his.Yeah TNA's management & booking is a disgrace but does that stop AJ or Angle having great matches,No it doesn't. Get your head out of your ass joe.Oh & everything AJ said is the Truth,tna has made some Incredibly bad buisness decisions not only talent wise.


Just Heard Joe Kernan left Galway good Feck off back to Armagh Fatso,i'm fair on the tear right now.

Headshot

out if interest could Joe go to wwe with his weight?

krudler

"I wouldnt go so far as to call the brother fat, hes got a weight problem, whats the guy gonna do? he's Samoan"

D2D

Headshot wrote: »

out if interest could Joe go to wwe with his weight?

Joe is 6"2 285 lbs, Husky Harris is 6"2 295lbs so I don't think weight would be a huge deal in WWE

GTR63

Headshot wrote: »

out if interest could Joe go to wwe with his weight?

WWE wouldn't touch him with his weight its the same with Awesome Kong just cause in wwe's eyes the look isn't profitable.Even though in my opinion Kong would outdraw & make more money than Every Diva combined ten times over.I seen Joe up close in Liverpool 2 years ago & the camera didn't do his size justice but 2 years later it doesn't lie.PS I Rate Joe as one of Wrestlings top workers in spite of his Size.

Machismo Fan

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/49682/update-on-top-tna-wrestler-suspension.html?p=1

As we mentioned earlier today on the Elite site, Samoa Joe was suspended by TNA. He was not happy after his match with Jeff Hardy and was vocal about it in the back after match. The problem that we were told got him suspended was that he went into the production truck during the broadcast to complain, which is seen as a breach of etiquette. The word I have gotten was that he will be suspended for about a month.

Machismo Fan

Vince135792003 wrote: »

From the outside looking in they have ****ed Joe around and completely miscast him the same way they have AJ Styles.

In fairness, TNA didn't just mess up with Styles and Joe but rather the majority of the roster.

GTR63

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Joe is 6"2 285 lbs, Husky Harris is 6"2 295lbs so I don't think weight would be a huge deal in WWE

His dad was low rent WWE midcarder I.R.S though.After hiring Tamina (who is more of a Man than the Majority of WWE's male roster) wwe proved they'd hire ANY relatives of past wwe's performers.
Do they push any guys who haven't got the WWE look eg The Miz, McIntyre & Swagger.I don't think so.

D2D

GTR63 wrote: »

Do they push any guys who haven't got the WWE look eg The Miz, McIntyre & Swagger.I don't think so.

Umaga got an excellent push around 2006/7 and he didn't have the WWE look that you're on about so someone like Joe could definetly be pushed. Anyway, he's only suspended so the liklihood of Joe going to WWE prob isn't that high

GTR63

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Umaga got an excellent push around 2006/7 and he didn't have the WWE look that you're on about so someone like Joe could definetly be pushed. Anyway, he's only suspended so the liklihood of Joe going to WWE prob isn't that high

Ah but you forgot Joe is a star in TNA & ROH. Vince wouldn't like that as he proved when he'd Hardcore Holly beat Punk clean,
who didn't beat Bryan Danielson clean,if its possible he hates christian even more now & Gail Kim who was one of the best women workers is now jobbed out constantly.(I know Umaga was in TNA but few know that,it was the work of New Japan that got him the wwe return).

CMpunked

GTR63 wrote: »

Do they push any guys who haven't got the WWE look eg The Miz, McIntyre & Swagger.I don't think so.

Are you asking do they push these wrestlers or that they have the wwe look?

GTR63

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Umaga got an excellent push around 2006/7 and he didn't have the WWE look that you're on about so someone like Joe could definetly be pushed. Anyway, he's only suspended so the liklihood of Joe going to WWE prob isn't that high

CMpunked wrote: »

Are you asking do they push these wrestlers or that they have the wwe look?

Sorry my mistake,my complaint is wwe in the main push talents like those mentioned cause vince likes they're look,no matter what they're weaknesses are they'll be pushed & I imagine they kiss vince's ass(hopefully not phisically kiss it,we know vince actually likes that).

CMpunked

I heard the Miz was really disliked backstage and refered to as being the reality guy by vince. But ended up always being available for media involvments.
And now poof, he's getting a serious push.

waltersobchak

CM Punk supposidly is very much in Vince's good books these days, and Joe is best friends with John Cena, so the potilical clout of those two alone would mean Joe would do well in WWE..

Degag

GTR63 wrote: »

WWE wouldn't touch him with his weight its the same with Awesome Kong just cause in wwe's eyes the look isn't profitable.Even though in my opinion Kong would outdraw & make more money than Every Diva combined ten times over.I seen Joe up close in Liverpool 2 years ago & the camera didn't do his size justice but 2 years later it doesn't lie.PS I Rate Joe as one of Wrestlings top workers in spite of his Size.

Bullsiht. There have been plenty of "overweight" workers who have worked with the 'E over the years. Yokozuna, Mabel/Viscera/Big Daddy V, Rikishi, Umaga, Show, Rosey, even Andre - and hell, it's taken me seconds to come up with these names, there are plenty more.

Vince135792003

Machismo Fan wrote: »

In fairness, TNA didn't just mess up with Styles and Joe but rather the majority of the roster.

Yeah but these 2 stand out to me. They were guys that TNA could have hung their hat on and said "These are our stars. They are unique and they are different to what else is out there".

Samoa Joe meant something in 2005. There was an aura about him. They decided to take him out of the X division and put him in with the "stars" and slowly but surely he's become just another guy.

geeky

GTR63 wrote: »

His dad was low rent WWE midcarder I.R.S though.

:eek:
Heresy. At his peak, IRS was an amazing gimmick, and some of his cameo appearances since his wrestling days have been fantastic.

On topic, I'm not sure he'd get over so well with WWE. His weight was kinda compensated for in TNA because they have plenty of average-sized guys on their roster - therefore, it was possible to bill him as this big bad beast who beat the lard out of people. WWE don't have that many guys at 6'0 or less, meaning that character would be a bit less credible. Also, maybe it's because I've watched him after years of soul-destroying booking, but his work today just ain't that great. If he were to go to WWE, he'd need some Rocky-style training first.

Why Kong hasn't been signed up and allowed to blaze a trail through the women's division is beyond me, though. It might actually make a few people give a monkey's.

flahavaj

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Yeah but these 2 stand out to me. They were guys that TNA could have hung their hat on and said "These are our stars. They are unique and they are different to what else is out there".

Samoa Joe meant something in 2005. There was an aura about him. They decided to take him out of the X division and put him in with the "stars" and slowly but surely he's become just another guy.

I thought he was on the cusp of big things in 2005. i was at his last ROh shows in Liverpool when he was about to go full time exclusively with TNA. he looked to me a guy about to nreask out as a biog star in the business. he had that superstar aura that Main Eventers have, that swagger that you can't teach people.

Fast forward 5 years and as you say he's just another guy lost in the mix in TNA.

On the weight thing, he has put a LOT of weight on since his run in ROH as champion. Not sure that its a sign of laziness or anything though, it seems to be a genetic thing with Samoans that they pile on the weight as they get older unfortunately.

JP Liz V1

He is too young for TNA currently he needs to come back when he is a geriatric

Joking a side its a shame if he is gone it looked like he was starting a feud withh Morgan and/or Hernandez - despite his weight he can still put on great matches with him and Daniels gone looks like there is no TNA originals left only AJ

jaykhunter

Who was in the production truck that Samoa Joe complained to?

Also, it's great to see Samoa Joe get suspended, rather than just get abducted for the 4th time.

Joe is a lot heavier than he was in 2006, although I thought he has lost a little weight recently. It's such a shame that Joe has gone right now, as he's been having great/entertaining matches on iMPACT in the last MONTH (against RVD, Hardy, AJ, 3 way with Wolfe etc)

.......the fact that Joe has faced those four in matches on free TV without build-up really grinds my gears TNA :mad:

I think Joe has a point; although TNA should've just announced the time limit before the match and left it at that. I suppose in wrestling though, since it's a rare occurrence (time limit draw) management should be able to tell the guys how long they have left. So I think Joe over-reacted. At least they didn't do it with 5 minutes left, then 1 minute, then the last 10 seconds.

CMpunked

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

He is too young for TNA currently he needs to come back when he is a geriatric

Joking a side its a shame if he is gone it looked like he was starting a feud withh Morgan and/or Hernandez - despite his weight he can still put on great matches with him and Daniels gone looks like there is no TNA originals left only AJ

AFAIK, he's only suspended for a month. But if they're doing block tapings of impact, that could resonate as a very long time.

D2D

CMpunked wrote: »

AFAIK, he's only suspended for a month. But if they're doing block tapings of impact, that could resonate as a very long time.

I'm pretty sure Bryan Alverez said that Joe was around 3 weeks into his suspension when the news broke

gimmick

A 10 minute time limit between 2 main event calibre wrestlers on free TV was just stupid. Firstly such a match should not be given away on free TV, secondly if one was to lose inside 10 minutes, it would make that person look quite weak indeed.

I say kudos to him for speaking his mind against such daft behaviour.

JP Liz V1

CMpunked wrote: »

AFAIK, he's only suspended for a month. But if they're doing block tapings of impact, that could resonate as a very long time.

Giving TNA's current situation i.e. Hulk Hogan at the helm it could be permanent

jaykhunter

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Bryan Alverez said that Joe was around 3 weeks into his suspension when the news broke

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH ......... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

That's like when it was announced at the start iMPACT that Kurt Angle was suspended for a week and Angle shows up (having finished his suspension?!) about 20 minutes into the show; and beats up some faces backstage for spending his paycheque on a suit.... What's the point of mentioning a suspension if it doesn't affect his appearances on TV?!

JP Liz V1

Was Joe's kidnapping ever mentioned again in TNA? I mean who took him?

GTR63

Degag wrote: »

Bullsiht. There have been plenty of "overweight" workers who have worked with the 'E over the years. Yokozuna, Mabel/Viscera/Big Daddy V, Rikishi, Umaga, Show, Rosey, even Andre - and hell, it's taken me seconds to come up with these names, there are plenty more.

Considering you can't spell Bull**** i'll try to explain slowly.Yes at one time they did but in the HD generation they won't push many Larger talent now. Show,Yokozuna, Rikishi,Rosey & the overrated Blob Andre were lazy talent that never deserved the push but some made wwe money despite that.Andre was a glorified freakshow & hasn't Big Show rightfully been let go due to his weight on more than one occasion.Mick Foley was another that comes to my mind hadn't the wwe look but was a star for the company.PS not too many talents you named are around or Alive now

waltersobchak

GTR63 wrote: »

Considering you can't spell Bull**** i'll try to explain slowly.Yes at one time they did but in the HD generation they won't push many Larger talent now. Show,Yokozuna, Rikishi,Rosey & the overrated Blob Andre were lazy talent that never deserved the push but some made wwe money despite that.Andre was a glorified freakshow & hasn't Big Show rightfully been let go due to his weight on more than one occasion.Mick Foley was another that comes to my mind hadn't the wwe look but was a star for the company.PS not too many talents you named are around or Alive now

Thats probably one of the stupidest comments ive ever read on here..

jaykhunter

GTR63 wrote: »

Considering you can't spell Bull**** i'll try to explain slowly.

No need for that kind of condescension. We're all amigos here.
Besides, now you see what happens when you spell swears correctly. Some people hate the **** so they choose to misspell.

Yes at one time they did but in the HD generation they won't push many Larger talent now. Show,Yokozuna, Rikishi,Rosey & the overrated Blob Andre were lazy talent that never deserved the push but some made wwe money despite that.Andre was a glorified freakshow & hasn't Big Show rightfully been let go due to his weight on more than one occasion.Mick Foley was another that comes to my mind hadn't the wwe look but was a star for the company.PS not too many talents you named are around or Alive now

He's just making the point that there have been overweight wrestlers who 'made it' in WWF/E, so it's possible that Joe could get a job. Although I think you're right, Vince has very, very small tolerance for fat wrestlers in the current era.

I would've mentioned Manu as a 'recent' overweight/wrong look wrestler that was released. Didn't Morishima get a tryout and not get past 'the my God, look at him' stage? To my knowledge Big Show was never fired because of his weight, but was given a leave of absence because his weight but a huge strain on his knees and gave him limited mobility. Just by his size, regardless of his in-ring work, he has a job.

Also, it's definitely worth noting that Vince re-hired Goldust aka Black Reign, who, despite not being on TV much or any kind of push, went from



in TNA, to



So, Vince could just stick him in FCW/NXT for a year and he'd be properly motivated to drop as much weight as possible.

GTR63

Apparently some on here think Andre was a great worker,have you seen any of his matches they put people to sleep.Please god don't mention Wrestlemania III cause only Bam Bam Bigelo(a great super heavyweight) vs L.T. was a worse mania main event.
PS Anyone remember the Piggie James storyline which was repulsive towards women if that isn't a example of wwe's narrowminded view noting is.

gimmick

Lads, please less of the condescention etc. There is a good atmosphere on this board and I would like to keep it that way.

CMpunked

I can't see wwe wanting Joe to be honest. They make a big deal of size etc and if he gets suspended by a company that is supposed to look past all that..
Well it doesn't look too good.

flahavaj

GTR63 wrote: »

Apparently some on here think Andre was a great worker,have you seen any of his matches they put people to sleep.Please god don't mention Wrestlemania III cause only Bam Bam Bigelo(a great super heavyweight) vs L.T. was a worse mania main event.
PS Anyone remember the Piggie James storyline which was repulsive towards women if that isn't a example of wwe's narrowminded view noting is.

Andre deteriorated badly towards the end of his career to be fair. ironically enough he was many many yeasrs past his best by the time he was involved in his big money making run that culminated at Wrestlemania.

Some of the stuff Andre could do at his peak on the territories was extraordinary and he was an excellent worker IMO. I would strongly encourage you to seek out some footage of himoutside WWF before writing him off as a "useless blob."

In fairness to him and even putting aside his physical deterioration, all that was required of him in his early 80's WWF run was to swat people aside and just "be big" really. WWF was far from a workrate centric promotion in those days amd match quality very much too a back seat to the cartoonish characters, storylines and face/heel divide.

You could pick pretty much any wrestler from Hogan to Tully Blanchard to Greg Valentine to Jim Duggan and write them off as a poor worker based solely on the work they were required to do by WWF in those days. But that would be to do those guys a grave injustice and would be to judge an entire career based on a very short and unique period of pro wrestling. The same applies to Andre.

Like in most arguments its probably better to see the bigger picture before writing someone off.

waltersobchak

flahavaj wrote: »

Andre deteriorated badly towards the end of his career to be fair. ironically enough he was many many yeasrs past his best by the time he was involved in his big money making run that culminated at Wrestlemania.

Some of the stuff Andre could do at his peak on the territories was extraordinary and he was an excellent worker IMO. I would strongly encourage you to seek out some footage of himoutside WWF before writing him off as a "useless blob."

In fairness to him and even putting aside his physical deterioration, all that was required of him in his early 80's WWF run was to swat people aside and just "be big" really. WWF was far from a workrate centric promotion in those days amd match quality very much too a back seat to the cartoonish characters, storylines and face/heel divide.

You could pick pretty much any wrestler from Hogan to Tully Blanchard to Greg Valentine to Jim Duggan and write them off as a poor worker based solely on the work they were required to do by WWF in those days. But that would be to do those guys a grave injustice and would be to judge an entire career based on a very short and unique period of pro wrestling. The same applies to Andre.

Like in most arguments its probably better to see the bigger picture before writing someone off.

I remember reading a story about Andre when he was filming The Princess Bride, he physically couldnt do any of the stunts, which included lifting a normal sized man on his back, because he was in so much physical pain.. So i could only imagine how that would have affected him in the ring tbh..

jaykhunter

Definitely. I think it's overlooked that in general, in-ring work was very poor in previous eras, forgetting that "work-rate" was actually the least important aspect of the show, (behind gimmicks, bodies, promos, signature moves etc) and was more than acceptable at the time -- actually, it wasn't ever mentioned until the internet age and marks became smarks, when fans became much more critical.

If we had characters as fresh, exciting and innovative as the ones we had 25 years ago, and 12 years ago, we wouldn't require good athletic wrestling now.

One last thing, work-rate rarely, rarely sells. It's all about those aforementioned traits. There's a reason why work-rate focused ROH is doing horrible business even though they've been around slightly longer than TNA.

waltersobchak

jaykhunter wrote: »

Definitely. I think it's overlooked that in general, in-ring work was very poor in previous eras, forgetting that "work-rate" was actually the least important aspect of the show, (behind gimmicks, bodies, promos, signature moves etc) and was more than acceptable at the time -- actually, it wasn't ever mentioned until the internet age and marks became smarks, when fans became much more critical.

If we had characters as fresh, exciting and innovative as the ones we had 25 years ago, and 12 years ago, we wouldn't require good athletic wrestling now.

One last thing, work-rate rarely, rarely sells. It's all about those aforementioned traits. There's a reason why work-rate focused ROH is doing horrible business even though they've been around slightly longer than TNA.

At the end of the day workrate dont mean Jacksh*t, if you cant connect with an audience and get yourself over.. The casual Wrestling fan will pop a lot more for a Big Boot from Hogan, than a GTS from KENTA..

D2D

To follow up on earlier reports regarding Samoa Joe being suspended by TNA for one month, The Figure Four Weekly Newsletter reports that TNA sent out an internal memo right after the incident happened two weeks ago. So this means it didn't hit the internet until almost two to three weeks later.

Rjd2

GTR63 wrote: »

Ah but you forgot Joe is a star in TNA & ROH. Vince wouldn't like that as he proved when he'd Hardcore Holly beat Punk clean,
who didn't beat Bryan Danielson clean,if its possible he hates christian even more now & Gail Kim who was one of the best women workers is now jobbed out constantly.(I know Umaga was in TNA but few know that,it was the work of New Japan that got him the wwe return).

Punk was pushed very early in his ECW days. The Holly job was silly but it wasn't as big as deal as some people made it out to be. Swagger was jobbing to Santino a few months ago, while Drew a few months ago was squashed by Matt on Raw. Young lads no matter what their background will have to do some jobs in the early days, it happens.

Anyways look at how many titles Punk has won and PPV'S he has headlined in the last few years, Vince likes him.

Christian had ECW built around him for a few months, so he can't complain to much. The internet may never accept it but the guy is an upper carder at best, no shame in that, he has a solid position on the roster and is making money.

Gail? She has been woeful since her return and nobody cares about her. Natalya a much superior worker has done nothing since her arrival, so its clear that background doesn't matter in this case either.

Danielson was doing lovely before he was fired, he had pinned Miz clean on Raw and was clearly going to be an integral element of a huge Nexus angle. Who cares if he jobbed for a few months, life was looking good for him before he left.

So I don't think Vince cares as much as he did about where you are from when you enter his company.

DM_7

The lack of talk specific to Joe in this thread shows how the "Aura" he had 4 or 5 years ago has vanished.

Terrible shame, he was the guy to watch back then.

GTR63

I'm a Joe fan but I struggle to think of the last great match he had,the rematch of him AJ & Daniels. Before that it was the Cage match with Angle.His lost a lot of passion,you can blame tna for that but real men have to have pride in their work.

CMpunked

I can't remember the last time something happened in wrestling that the news broke 2 weeks later.

Must be a record!