Who has Austin made?

jaykhunter

Hey guys, on my random wrestling thoughts throughout the day, I thought to myself "who has Austin ever made/put over?" What person has been elevated mostly by his hands? Well, i'm having a hard time. Any help?

I won't say Rock, because Austin never actually put Rock over until his very last match at WMXIX. Austin got pinned by Rock in the 2001 Survivor Series thanks to interference by Angle so I wouldn't count it. I'm sure Rock was somewhat elevated every time they fought, but he always looked inferior and destined to lose. I suppose Rock looked great at WMX7 seeing as it took Austin so much to beat him, but Austin did batter him with a chair until he stayed down and was pinned, in a pretty blue-balls finish.

I can't say Triple H either, because sure Austin didn't want to give him the belt in the first place (Tripper won via Foley in booking reminiscent of WM9), still beat Tripper in his comeback match in Series 2000; and also at No Way Out 2001.

(I'd say Rock and Triple H made/elevated each other, rather; with Foley too)

Penn

Even though he was already KOTR and pretty over due to the invasion story, Austin definitely helped Kurt Angle. Angle was getting almost bigger pops than The Rock for a lot of that period

Vince135792003

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Even though he was already KOTR and pretty over due to the invasion story, Austin definitely helped Kurt Angle. Angle was getting almost bigger pops than The Rock for a lot of that period

Yeah his program with Kurt really helped him. Pitty they turned Kurt back as a bad guy a few months later.

Ham'nd'egger

jaykhunter wrote: »

Hey guys, on my random wrestling thoughts throughout the day, I thought to myself "who has Austin ever made/put over?" What person has been elevated mostly by his hands? Well, i'm having a hard time. Any help?

I won't say Rock, because Austin never actually put Rock over until his very last match at WMXIX. Austin got pinned by Rock in the 2001 Survivor Series thanks to interference by Angle so I wouldn't count it. I'm sure Rock was somewhat elevated every time they fought, but he always looked inferior and destined to lose. I suppose Rock looked great at WMX7 seeing as it took Austin so much to beat him, but Austin did batter him with a chair until he stayed down and was pinned, in a pretty blue-balls finish.

I can't say Triple H either, because sure Austin didn't want to give him the belt in the first place (Tripper won via Foley in booking reminiscent of WM9), still beat Tripper in his comeback match in Series 2000; and also at No Way Out 2001.

(I'd say Rock and Triple H made/elevated each other, rather; with Foley too)

Just because Austin may not have "lost" bouts to the Rock anybody doesn't mean that he didn't put them or anybody over. There are many levels involved in getting a wrestler over and the fact that around 1999-2002 there were many strong contenders to face and threaten Austin should tell you that he did a brilliant job in making these challenges credible and as such, he put them over.

jaykhunter

Kurt Angle sounds good. I remember Angle having his first world title feud with Austin ( I don't count Rock ) where Austin looked weaker.

Hamndegger wrote: »

Just because Austin may not have "lost" bouts to the Rock anybody doesn't mean that he didn't put them or anybody over. There are many levels involved in getting a wrestler over and the fact that around 1999-2002 there were many strong contenders to face and threaten Austin should tell you that he did a brilliant job in making these challenges credible and as such, he put them over.

I know what you mean man, but even as a massive Rock mark I always felt Rock had no chance of beating Austin. He was no threat, since he jobbed cleanly every damn time. There was never any back and forth, it was always a steamroller. But i'm sure just being in a (always losing) feud with Austin elevated him still.

I suppose Austin brought him from IC champion to unworthy world champion. I'd say that Rock's feuds with Foley and Triple H did more for him than Austin did.

michael.etc...

jaykhunter wrote: »

I won't say Rock, because Austin never actually put Rock over until his very last match at WMXIX. Austin got pinned by Rock in the 2001 Survivor Series thanks to interference by Angle so I wouldn't count it. I'm sure Rock was somewhat elevated every time they fought, but he always looked inferior and destined to lose. I suppose Rock looked great at WMX7 seeing as it took Austin so much to beat him, but Austin did batter him with a chair until he stayed down and was pinned, in a pretty blue-balls finish.

I can't say Triple H either, because sure Austin didn't want to give him the belt in the first place (Tripper won via Foley in booking reminiscent of WM9), still beat Tripper in his comeback match in Series 2000; and also at No Way Out 2001.

(I'd say Rock and Triple H made/elevated each other, rather; with Foley too)

Triple H actually went over Austin at No Way Out 2001, 2 falls to 1. He also pinned him at No Mercy 1999, though it wasn't a clean finish.

Interesting idea nonetheless, because Rock and Hunter both reached their primes in his absence. Foley should be mentioned, because Austin absolutely made him look a credible threat in 98. In the case of Stone Cold though, while he rarely put anyone over 1,2,3, he was on such an astronomic level above everyone else, he often elevated people through association. I think Rock was a good example of this, though he was headed there regardless.

chordtype

jaykhunter wrote: »

Hey guys, on my random wrestling thoughts throughout the day, I thought to myself "who has Austin ever made/put over?" What person has been elevated mostly by his hands? Well, i'm having a hard time. Any help?

I can't say Triple H either, because sure Austin didn't want to give him the belt in the first place (Tripper won via Foley in booking reminiscent of WM9), still beat Tripper in his comeback match in Series 2000; and also at No Way Out 2001.

I think Austin did put Trips over at No Way Out.

I suppose one argument could be that by virtue of being in there with Austin you are being made a big star automatically.

Wasn't the whole reason he left originally because he didn't want to put Brock over clean?

jaykhunter

Cheers man.

michael.etc... wrote: »

Triple H actually went over Austin at No Way Out 2001, 2 falls to 1.

You're right! How did Austin still make it into WM main event then? Or was it that nothing was on the line?

He also pinned him at No Mercy 1999, though it wasn't a clean finish.

Cool, that's better than nothing.

Interesting idea nonetheless, because Rock and Hunter both reached their primes in his absence. Foley should be mentioned, because Austin absolutely made him look a credible threat in 98. In the case of Stone Cold though, while he rarely put anyone over 1,2,3, he was on such an astronomic level above everyone else, he often elevated people through association. I think Rock was a good example of this, though he was headed there regardless.

Very well said. I never thought of Dude Love (IMO Foley's worst gimmick) was ever a credible threat either, since Austin was so strong, and Dude felt like a poor man's replacement for a top heel. Dude's character is face, and he didn't feel committed to the heel role. I didn't think Dude Love ever got over in WWF, even with Vince dancing with the Dudettes.

jaykhunter

chordtype wrote: »

Wasn't the whole reason he left originally because he didn't want to put Brock over clean?

Not to go off-topic, but the reasons go from Creative wanting Austin to job to Coach, to job on free TV immediately to Brock, to being Flair's butler etc etc. The real reason he left (besides his body being too battered) is because he wasn't the top dog in WWF and couldn't stand it. The landscape totally changed during his year off, where many new permanent main eventers were made. He went from his music hitting 4-5 times per show, the whole episode centering around him, to being asked to job to Scott Hall mid-PPV (after turning down a match with Hogan at WMX8). He didn't want what WWE proposed, so he walked away. The whole 'Paranoid Rattlesnake' gimmick in 2001 was very true to life, as Austin was not being shown the proper attention that he was accustomed to, and resented it.

Anyway let's stick with the 'who did Austin make/put over' focus

michael.etc...

chordtype wrote: »

Wasn't the whole reason he left originally because he didn't want to put Brock over clean?

Not exactly- he didn't want to put him over at all, in a non-advertised, throwaway tv match. He was completely right too- Brock/Austin should have been a big PPV match.

You're right! How did Austin still make it into WM main event then? Or was it that nothing was on the line?

Austin had already won the Rumble, and nothing was on the line, it was just a case of getting the feud finished with. Still a strange decision mind you.

I agree that Dude never got over beyond a certain level, but i think by mid-98 fans kind of looked at him as Mick Foley selling out, rather than the character dude. I thought they did well with very little there, and the angle in which Foley turned on him was really hot. But the whole thing did have that taste of "filler", until Taker and Kane got back in the mix.

Ridley

Jericho in a way...

Oh wait. Vince McMahon.

CMpunked

Automatically when I seen that title I thought angle.

I'll always remember their first encounter when Kurt tried to give him a medal.
Angle was very much a santino comedy wrestler at the time, hanging around with E&C.

Another I'd pitch is Jericho. Even though Jericho had a fruitful rise, it all kicked up a notch when he won the undisputed championship. He was able to go around for years announcing how he bet both rock and Austin in one night.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone exclaim that they bet Austin as much as he did.

2nd Row Donkey

Excellent Topic

never really thought about it before, but its amazing that he never really put over anyone solidly.

I guess thats what happens when your such a massive face like he was.

Jolt2007

You know I've wondered this question but with Shawn Michaels. He's always praised everywhere for putting guys over but who did he ever actually make, or put over big time because of a feud with him? Sure he lost matches here and there but it takes more than that to make a guy a top star. Buuut that's off topic.

On topic Angle is a good choice.

CMpunked

Jolt2007 wrote: »

You know I've wondered this question but with Shawn Michaels. He's always praised everywhere for putting guys over but who did he ever actually make, or put over big time because of a feud with him? Sure he lost matches here and there but it takes more than that to make a guy a top star. Buuut that's off topic.

Ironically..
The first to come to mind is austin at WM '98.

It's just one big paradox!

GTR63

In the 12+ years i've watched Wrestling its rare to see someone put a guy over(with a 1,2,3 win or via tapout).Very often you can earn more respect in defeat eg Austin vs Bret at Mania 97.If a Talent puts over everyone he soon becomes a Jobber.

PS lets not forget Austin was nearly crippled when he hung up his boots (watch him take the Rock Bottoms in his last match it made me wince).So how could he be expected to put guys more over than he did helping develop Rock & Angle.
He wanted to put over Lesnar on ppv but didn't want to do it on a Pointless Raw.

flahavaj

Angle was the best name I could come up with too.

Interesting that when you talk about not putting people over clean, the likes of HHH, Taker and Hogan get brought up regularly, but when you think about it Austin didn't job that cleanly to many people at all. Why does he get spared the normal criticism I wonder? is it because he didn't outstay his welcome so he never really got the backlash from the internet that staleness inevitably brings?

CMpunked

Austin had a handful of feuds and quite memorable ones at that. The wrestlers he always seemed to be involved in were at the same level as him.

Hhh and taker have been in worthless feuds over the years when it was less interesting to watch and seemed like they were just to massage their egos.

Take hhhs feud with the spirit squad.

SlickRic

Angle is definitely the one IMO.

i wouldn't put Jericho in there; The Rock was most certainly the one that put him over to the next level, giving him the 'Big One', and generally not making him look like a chump.

Austin helped a little, but i wouldn't give him the credit.

to be fair, he put HHH over when Austin returned. yeah, he crushed Hunter at the Survivor Series, without a pinfall, but that 2 out of 3 falls match, where Hunter won two straight falls, was a big deal IMO.

apart from that, not a lot. but he was so ridiculously over, and on a whole other level to anyone else, you couldn't have had him put many over. it would have pointlessly taken away his momentum; something WWE couldn't afford to do at the time.

Vince135792003

flahavaj wrote: »

Why does he get spared the normal criticism I wonder?

His run at the top was relatively short and unique in that he was feuding with a non wrestler. He was also very much a new star in 1998.

He's also the biggest drawing pro-wrestler of all time.

Ultimately pro-wrestling is about entertaining fans, drawing them in and making money and the best way to do it was let Steve Austin be the star. Sometimes that's what you do. Make the people happy and let your star/hero win (like what they do with Cena).

And you keep doing it until the numbers say it's time for a change. The numbers told Vince McMahon in 1999 to keep doing what he was doing with Austin because tv ratings, ppv buys and merchandise just got bigger and bigger.

Ridley

flahavaj wrote: »

Why does he get spared the normal criticism I wonder? is it because he didn't outstay his welcome so he never really got the backlash from the internet that staleness inevitably brings?

He was really popular. That's it, in my opinion. I don't really see that much Undertaker criticism but Hogan, HBK, HHH all have or had big reputations for being, putting it nicely, jerks backstage.

Unlike Austin who can walk out on the company, get arrested for beating his wife and do less than Foley did in his one-off WWE returns, and still get a large proportion of support because he was the guy that most people paid to see. Benoit has some apologists because he was popular. It's also why some people will cheer Bret Hart on a wave of nostalgia and ignore the obvious in that he can't go in the ring anymore.

Degag

I think the biggest person that Austin made was himself truthfully. I mean Vince certainly had a hand in it, but Austin is still probably the most popular wrestler since Hogan. The pops he got are still phenomenal, he was a money making machine, alot of people think he was a catalyst towards saving the WWE from bankruptcy bank in the Monday Night Wars Era. He was a fantastic wrestler and personality and it's probably pretty apt to remember that in this thread also.

flahavaj

Vince135792003 wrote: »

His run at the top was relatively short and unique in that he was feuding with a non wrestler. He was also very much a new star in 1998.

He's also the biggest drawing pro-wrestler of all time.

Ultimately pro-wrestling is about entertaining fans, drawing them in and making money and the best way to do it was let Steve Austin be the star. Sometimes that's what you do. Make the people happy and let your star/hero win (like what they do with Cena).

And you keep doing it until the numbers say it's time for a change. The numbers told Vince McMahon in 1999 to keep doing what he was doing with Austin because tv ratings, ppv buys and merchandise just got bigger and bigger.

Ultimately this is the answer to the OP. He may not have put many individuals over but he was the catalyst in many ways in WWE turning around their business from the depths of the mid 90's and getting hammered by WCW to the immense popularity they achieveved at the end of and turn of the decade. In may ways everyone else was "put over" simply by being on the same show as him.

He didn't "make" any one individual per se - he was too busy making WWE into the dominant monster it is today, and making Vince a billionaire.

jaykhunter

Vince wrote:

He's also the biggest drawing pro-wrestler of all time.

flahavaj wrote: »

He didn't "make" any one individual per se - he was too busy making WWE into the dominant monster it is today, and making Vince a billionaire.

Totally agreed, the Austin of 1997-Survivor Series 99. He was on top and everyone (including me) marked out like crazy every week. Wrestling would not be what it is today without him. It was an amazing time and my favourite period of wrestling.

The whole point of the thread was to point out that the Austin that wasn't the biggest/only draw in WWF/E (i.e. Unforgiven 2000-WMXIX) was pretty selfish. That time he's remembered for his poorly-received 2001 heel turn, playing the insecure paranoid champion, and "taking his ball and going home" in 2002 after refusing everything creative had for him.

I also think it's worth mentioning that it was his neck injury from SummerSlam 97 that really shortened his career. Maybe if Austin continued wrestling until 2006 (for example) he would've made a few stars. Listening to his words from documentaries/interviews, it sounds like he wanted to be top dog or nothing.

Vince135792003

His program with Benoit when he turned heel did Benoit alot of favours too.

Unfortunately Benoit got injured 2 months into his push.

JP Liz V1

Austin's best feud imo was with The Rock and I think it helped both of them

He definitely helped get Kurt Angle over

starviewadams

Poorly conceived heel run?I thought his heel run was brilliant and far more entertaining then his years as a face.I always thought that when The Rock came back in July 2001 he should have feuded with a heel Austin instead of Austin feuding with Angle and Rock feuding with Booker T.Angle was well over by the time he feuded with Austin so I wouldn't say he made him,Kurt made himself he was so awesome back then.

I also thought that Austin was one of the main guys that got RVD super over when he arrived,unfortunately Triple H returned soon after and nixed Van Dam's push.

jaykhunter

starviewadams wrote: »

Poorly conceived heel run?

jaykhunter wrote: »

Totally agreed [...] time he's remembered for his poorly-received 2001 heel turn, playing the insecure [...]

Even Austin in interviews said it was a mistake to turn heel, and the manner in which he did so. I did enjoy it towards the end, but it was a painful teething process the wasn't considered a success. I remembering him whipping Cole on RAW because he was really pushing to remain heel, since the crowd were still cheering him. That's not to say there wasn't entertainment to be had, i thought Austin and Angle vying for Vince's 'affection' was pretty funny, although contextually it made no sense, what with the invasion going on.

All I remember about Austin and Benoit is that Benoit slagged Austin for being a crap wrestler, and that night Austin wrestled a *wrestling* match with Benoit; I remember King being surprised at Austin pulling out more amateur moves out of his pre-Stone Cold repertoire. I thought that was awesome.

RVD all I can recall is Austin (leader of the alliance) telling him to keep his feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars. Did they ever wrestle or tag?

Maybe it is really just a "elevated by association" and "got himself, and WWF over" more than making stars.

GTR63

I talked to my brothers about this last night & we remembered we used to call Austin "FATHEAD" at one time cause he`d always stunner guys for no reason he did this to Foley a fair few times & he`d never accept help from anyone.Oh & JR kissing his ass didn`t help him either.
Don`t know why we were so Harsh though.As has been said on this thread he made himself & Vince was right to push him,with his injuries he didn`t have much time at the top when you think about it,4/5 years at the top isn`t long comparing it to past or modern Main Eventers.

starviewadams

jaykhunter wrote: »

Even Austin in interviews said it was a mistake to turn heel, and the manner in which he did so. I did enjoy it towards the end, but it was a painful teething process the wasn't considered a success. I remembering him whipping Cole on RAW because he was really pushing to remain heel, since the crowd were still cheering him. That's not to say there wasn't entertainment to be had, i thought Austin and Angle vying for Vince's 'affection' was pretty funny, although contextually it made no sense, what with the invasion going on.

All I remember about Austin and Benoit is that Benoit slagged Austin for being a crap wrestler, and that night Austin wrestled a *wrestling* match with Benoit; I remember King being surprised at Austin pulling out more amateur moves out of his pre-Stone Cold repertoire. I thought that was awesome.

RVD all I can recall is Austin (leader of the alliance) telling him to keep his feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars. Did they ever wrestle or tag?

Maybe it is really just a "elevated by association" and "got himself, and WWF over" more than making stars.

Yeah I know but I really enjoyed his heel stuff,his face stuff was becoming very stale imo and the heel turn gave him the chance to do lots of different things that we had never seen from the Stone Cold character before.

He and RVD wrestled a few times,I recall Van Dam pinning him in the main event of SmackDown at one stage and of course the triple threat at No Mercy 01 between himself,Austin and Kurt Angle.They also had lots of backstage skits where Austin was jealous of Van Dam's popularity among the other alliance members.I thought it helped RVD's main event credibility a lot and he was waay over back then.
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paddyismaddy

besides himself i'd say vince mcmahon

Vince135792003

jaykhunter wrote: »

All I remember about Austin and Benoit is that Benoit slagged Austin for being a crap wrestler, and that night Austin wrestled a *wrestling* match with Benoit; I remember King being surprised at Austin pulling out more amateur moves out of his pre-Stone Cold repertoire. I thought that was awesome.

They had 2 great matches 1 on Raw and 1 on Smackdown (the 10 german suplexes match). Benoit was treated like a top tier guy.

CMpunked

Is there any way Rikishi could be a suggestion?

Pre-rundown, he was just a dancing Samoan who had quite a rotund rear end.

When it was revealed it was him he was shot straight into one of the biggest angles. Fair enough he was totally squashed by austins return, but stone cold got arrested so I guess rikishi kinda.... Won?

michael.etc...

CMpunked wrote: »

Is there any way Rikishi could be a suggestion?

Pre-rundown, he was just a dancing Samoan who had quite a rotund rear end.

When it was revealed it was him he was shot straight into one of the biggest angles. Fair enough he was totally squashed by austins return, but stone cold got arrested so I guess rikishi kinda.... Won?

There is no way Rikishi was put over by Austin in any fashion. The creative team half got him over prior to their No Mercy match as a heel, then Austin squashed and killed his momentun. A month later, a a match with The Rock helped him out a little, but by that point he was playing second fiddle to Triple H, and ended up drifting back down the card.

Rjd2

michael.etc... wrote: »

There is no way Rikishi was put over by Austin in any fashion. The creative team half got him over prior to their No Mercy match as a heel, then Austin squashed and killed his momentun. A month later, a a match with The Rock helped him out a little, but by that point he was playing second fiddle to Triple H, and ended up drifting back down the card.

Yep, one of those guys who really did not need to be turned heel really. He was never going to be a main event player, but as a face with 2cool he had a lovely slot as an upper carder who was over as rover on a weekly basis. The turn killed him in the long run.:(

Listen to that pop:(

michael.etc...

I actually really liked the idea of him as a heel, but the whole Rock aspect didn't sit at all with basically being Triple H's bum chum. And he needed to feud solidly with either Rock or Austin and properly go over one, building on it, rather than switching between the two, then being the fat guy who fell onto a bale of hay in the Armageddon Hell In A Cell.

rossie1977

hogan and austin were such big draws at their peaks that they put over guys simply by being in the same ring, thats the difference between someone like randy orton, hhh and even the undertaker. someone throwing austin or hogan out of the royal rumble back in the day would have got a huge rub, how much did it help maven??

CMpunked

rossie1977 wrote: »

how much did it help maven??

Who?;)

2nd Row Donkey

*shouts* .."what about Maven"

no wait.. that was the other guy..Raven!

The Volt

In circumstances where The Rock was squashed by Lesnar, I think Austin's preferential treatment is indefensible and frankly, greedy from himself. Had he lost to Coach it may have sent Coach's career off in a different direction to the one it went in the end. I always thought that there was potential for coach to be a good GM, a victory over Austin would have boosted that.

michael.etc...

Voltwad wrote: »

In circumstances where The Rock was squashed by Lesnar, I think Austin's preferential treatment is indefensible and frankly, greedy from himself. Had he lost to Coach it may have sent Coach's career off in a different direction to the one it went in the end. I always thought that there was potential for coach to be a good GM, a victory over Austin would have boosted that.

I can't understand this viewpoint at all. Austn's issue wasn't in putting over Lesnar, it was doing so in a random, throwaway television match without hype. It would have been a waste of one of Lesnar's potential big drawing match-ups, to have him pin Austin in an unadvertised bout. It would have meant nothing other than shock value.

The Rock was not squashed by Lesnar in the slightest either. They had a competitive, back-and-forth effort, and Lesnar had Heyman intefering on his behalf. It was presented as if the odds were simply too much by the end.

I also have to say, Coach (a non-worker) being put over by Austin would have been insane. Going over a wrestler does not make someone a good GM.

The Volt

michael.etc... wrote: »

I can't understand this viewpoint at all. Austn's issue wasn't in putting over Lesnar, it was doing so in a random, throwaway television match without hype. It would have been a waste of one of Lesnar's potential big drawing match-ups, to have him pin Austin in an unadvertised bout. It would have meant nothing other than shock value.

The Rock was not squashed by Lesnar in the slightest either. They had a competitive, back-and-forth effort, and Lesnar had Heyman intefering on his behalf. It was presented as if the odds were simply too much by the end.

I also have to say, Coach (a non-worker) being put over by Austin would have been insane. Going over a wrestler does not make someone a good GM.

I never mentioned anything about Austin facing Lesnar. Having him beat Rock was more than enough to do it for him. Lesnar came out of that match pretty much showing he could go toe to toe with anybody, Heyman was just an added bonus, a mouthpiece for while he was still Raw.

As for making/breaking a GM, it's all about hype, charisma, feeding off the audience. Coach could have lived off a victory like that for months and months. I would have liked to have seen Bischoff pin Austin back in '03.

michael.etc...

Voltwad wrote: »

I never mentioned anything about Austin facing Lesnar. Having him beat Rock was more than enough to do it for him. Lesnar came out of that match pretty much showing he could go toe to toe with anybody, Heyman was just an added bonus, a mouthpiece for while he was still Raw.

As for making/breaking a GM, it's all about hype, charisma, feeding off the audience. Coach could have lived off a victory like that for months and months. I would have liked to have seen Bischoff pin Austin back in '03.

Completely misunderstood the first sentence of your post. Apologies.

I'm not a fan of non-wrestlers going over workers though. I agree with what you're saying in theory as to the milking a victory over Austin, but it's only effective if rare, and it has to be with guys who are going to be in the ring on a regular basis. for me, in 03, a Jericho, Christian, or Booker could have been the beneficiary of a clean win in that situation.

Dean820

He let Jericho beat him and The Rock in one night, thats taking one for the team.

rossie1977

Voltwad wrote: »

As for making/breaking a GM, it's all about hype, charisma, feeding off the audience. Coach could have lived off a victory like that for months and months. I would have liked to have seen Bischoff pin Austin back in '03.

is that you vince russo

The Volt

rossie1977 wrote: »

is that you vince russo

Not for the title like Austin wasn't wrestling at all really back then, his career as we had known it was over as such.

jaykhunter

Dean820 wrote: »

He let Jericho beat him and The Rock in one night, thats taking one for the team.

Austin was the stronger and the match and got screwed over by the nWo. That's like saying Cena 'put over' Sheamus in the Fatal 4 Way match!!

Penn

jaykhunter wrote: »

Austin was the stronger and the match and got screwed over by the nWo. That's like saying Cena 'put over' Sheamus in the Fatal 4 Way match!!

Jericho beat Austin and The Rock in the same night 2 months before the nWo showed up. Although I can't actually remember if there was any interference in Jericho and Austin's match

Rjd2

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Jericho beat Austin and The Rock in the same night 2 months before the nWo showed up. Although I can't actually remember if there was any interference in Jericho and Austin's match

Booker T interfered in one of them anyways.

I know heels not winning cleanly...:eek::eek::eek::eek:

jaykhunter

ah, that's right I'm thinking of No Way Out. I'd've much preferred Jericho cheated to win rather than via interference; but sure Jericho's reign kinda centered on him being a transitional champion and treating him like a joke. Jericho sure milked that fact :pac::pac: Booker T did hit Austin with the title; although i don't think that lead to a feud....

Either way winning doesn't necessarily mean he was put over.

Anyway to make a guy, he has to look strong and win decisively (or lose in a really strong, emotional effort); and Jericho was neither.

Wompa1

Owen Hart!?...not intentionally though