Do you download cracked apps?

pjhamill

Personally I think it's wrong.The amount of effort that goes into making a good app.

fmcattack

Whats the difference between apps and music/games/software...

Personally I'll download them to try and if there worth it I'll buy

abouttobebanned

Do you download music? Films?

Quite a lot of work goes into those as well.

Piracy is a crime. Do not accept it. Demand a genuine video cassette from your retailer.

pjhamill

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Do you download music? Films?

Quite a lot of work goes into those as well.

Piracy is a crime. Do not accept it. Demand a genuine video cassette from your retailer.

NO i'm totally against piracy.

vinnycoyne

Just as a reminder - from the forum charter:

No discussion of anything illegal, with special mention of cracked apps.

As long as there's no discussion of how to obtain cracked apps then I'm okay with this thread continuing.

Back on topic: hell no!

pjhamill

Ye Vinny I'd be the first to kick them out

jester77

I've worked as a developer and I know the effort that goes into creating a piece of software. I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with the app store.

It's fantastic that you can get everything in one place, before I would get apps from handango and sites like this and it was not easy to find relevant software and get updates. The app store makes this easy.

I don't like the pricing and review process of the app store. 79c is cheap but if you develop a good app, then you should be entitled to charge more than 79c but alot people now are against paying more than 79c which annoys me. Plus the fact that people are willing to pirate a 79c app really saddens me, it's less than a cheeseburger. And the reviews people leave amaze me, for example: I use a really great pizza app that finds all pizza stores that deliver to my area. Fantastic app yet people are leaving 1 star because there is a poor selection of delivery options in their area, nothing to do with the app at all

pjhamill

Ye some people don't understand what review means

mondeo

I would try a cracked to determine if it's worth buying.

Stuxnet

pjhamill

mondeo wrote: »

I would try a cracked to determine if it's worth buying.

Ye there should be a way to preview each app for like 5 minutes or something.

jesus_thats_gre

I will be honest, I did and still do now but also spend a shed load of money on games, cinema, software and blurays.

Virtually every version of Windows I had from Windows 95 to XP was pirated. It was on that however that I was able to have a computer at home when in college and it played a big part in me developing the skill set that I have now. Now that I am working and applying that skill set in the work place, all of my software properly licensed and will continue to be so for quite sometime to come.

Virtually every boxset that I have (and I have a lot) were purchased as a result of me downloading the shows and really liking them.

I have some cracked apps on my iPad but I never use them. I just downloaded them becase I was curious to see what they were like and I could do so easily. I would never have downloaded and paid for them because I have absolutely no use for them.

Piracy is wrong and is rightly illegal. It isn't black and white though and I fully believe that copyright owners should be looking at changing their business models instead of resisting change and holding onto an outdated way of doing things.

AntiVirus

jester77 wrote: »

I use a really great pizza app that finds all pizza stores that deliver to my area. Fantastic app yet people are leaving 1 star because there is a poor selection of delivery options in their area, nothing to do with the app at all

Not a great app really if it has a poor selection for there area. Are they allowed to get there money back?

cojomo2

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Do you download music? Films?

Quite a lot of work goes into those as well.

Piracy is a crime. Do not accept it. Demand a genuine video cassette from your retailer.

or one of those fancy dvd/blue ray thingies ...

Agent Smith

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Do you download music? Films?

Quite a lot of work goes into those as well.

Piracy is a crime. Do not accept it. Demand a genuine video cassette from your retailer.

You Wouldnt Download a car...





I FUCKING WOULD IF I COULD!

Stuxnet

its kinda like the 5 knuckle shuffle, not every one will admit to it !!

jester77

AntiVirus wrote: »

Not a great app really if it has a poor selection for there area. Are they allowed to get there money back?

If you live somewhere that has few pizzeria's, then that is hardly the apps fault. Plus the app is free, they make their money from the business's that use their portal. So it's not like people are losing out.

Inquitus

Appstore doesn't give refunds, it would benefit greatly from try before you buy, especially given some of the crap on it.

I'll pirate anything I can get my grubby paws on, I have bought some albums 5-10 times over the last 30 years on different formats which degrade over time. CD's, DVDs etc. don't last forever and have a finite lifespan, for all the DVDs and CDs I bought that are no longer with me, I download TV Series, Movies and Music now.

Give me something like Steam but for Music and DVDs that I can forever access in the cloud then I might start buying again, but for now, fcuk all the stone age copyright holders and their backwards ideas about content distribution.

Stuxnet

Ive been stung on the cydia app store as well as apple app store, some dev's are robbing people also ! its a 2 way street

Hogzy

Have to say android system is fantastic.

If you buy an app you dont pay for it till 24hrs later. If you uninstall it within the 24hrs you dont pay for it. You can only do this once with each app though, otherwise people would never pay :P
Apple should really consider a system like this.

pjhamill

Ye we need a system that allows us to test apps like ibooks does with books.

vinnycoyne

Hogzy wrote: »

Have to say android system is fantastic.

If you buy an app you dont pay for it till 24hrs later. If you uninstall it within the 24hrs you dont pay for it. You can only do this once with each app though, otherwise people would never pay :P
Apple should really consider a system like this.

pjhamill wrote: »

Ye we need a system that allows us to test apps like ibooks does with books.

Both are great ideas. It would also mean that devs wouldn't have to build & maintain two versions of each app in order to provide a free trial.

Pittens

Give me something like Steam but for Music and DVDs that I can forever access in the cloud then I might start buying again, but for now, fcuk all the stone age copyright holders and their backwards ideas about content distribution.

Where backward means you pay for someone else's work? Hilarious.

Before the App Store people could pretend they were sucking it to the man. Now they are stealing from the work of normal everyday folks. Utterly vile.

Ive been stung on the cydia app store as well as apple app store, some dev's are robbing people also ! its a 2 way street

most devs have nothing to do with cydia. If you have jailborken your phone you are not paying for anything are you?

Pittens

Inquitus wrote: »

Give me something like Steam but for Music and DVDs that I can forever access in the cloud then I might start buying again, but for now, fcuk all the stone age copyright holders and their backwards ideas about content distribution.

The appstore has that. YOu cant rebuy the same application again.

Next excuse?

Pittens

I reckon there should be some kind of app alliance, where each app can know - via a server - whether the app has been thieved or not and and it logs it. When the number of thefts equals the value of the phone, the app destroys the phone, erasing all content. That would be awesome.

Stuxnet

Pittens wrote: »

most devs have nothing to do with cydia. If you have jailborken your phone you are not paying for anything are you?

no, not true, cydia has its own store also, and rock , they offer excellent themes and apps you cant buy from apple ! thousands of developers contribute and have their own repositories where you can buy stuff, alot of it free also

not everyone wants to be steve jobs lapdog, cydia doesnt automatically mean pirate

Inquitus

Pittens wrote: »

The appstore has that. YOu cant rebuy the same application again.

Next excuse?

If I dl a TV series or a movie off of itunes, I can only use it on an apple device, and should I stop using an apple device I can no longer access my purchase, much the same as all the DRM music I bought off itunes back in the day, not to mention any iBooks purchases.

And if you happened to slightly more literate you might have been able to grasp the general thrust of my comment, but then we all know just how........you are.

vinnycoyne

Lads, please tone down the personal comments. Thanks.

hshortt

None of the apps are cracked.

The illegal distribution methods come from the removal/bypassing of Apple-applied DRM. All applications are submitted to the App Store without DRM added. The DRM is then applied when you buy/download an application from the store. Removing the DRM is what enabled the applications to be distributed.

What happens thereafter is detailed in other places.

Cheers

Owen

I've paid 100 Euro for Navigon when it came out, and between that and everything else on my phone, I've probably paid over 250 Euro so far. Do I pirate apps? I actually do, but for a purpose. If an app doesn't have a stripped out free version, I'll pirate it to try it out. If it's good, then I'll buy it, if not, it goes in the bin.

I'm against piracy in principle, especially as I'd like to develop some apps in the future, but I do bend the rules a teensy bit

unklerosco

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I will be honest, I did and still do now but also spend a shed load of money on games, cinema, software and blurays.

Virtually every version of Windows I had from Windows 95 to XP was pirated. It was on that however that I was able to have a computer at home when in college and it played a big part in me developing the skill set that I have now. Now that I am working and applying that skill set in the work place, all of my software properly licensed and will continue to be so for quite sometime to come.

Virtually every boxset that I have (and I have a lot) were purchased as a result of me downloading the shows and really liking them.

I have some cracked apps on my iPad but I never use them. I just downloaded them becase I was curious to see what they were like and I could do so easily. I would never have downloaded and paid for them because I have absolutely no use for them.

Piracy is wrong and is rightly illegal. It isn't black and white though and I fully believe that copyright owners should be looking at changing their business models instead of resisting change and holding onto an outdated way of doing things.

100% agree with that... I've downloaded plenty of boxsets etc and have gone out and bought them to watch all the extras etc etc. Anything I didn't like after the first/second show I deleted..

Same with apps, they all need to come with trial versions... There's no way I'm spending €10+ on something without getting a chance to try it out first... Bring back demo discs!!!! :p

Pittens

Same with apps, they all need to come with trial versions... There's no way I'm spending €10+ on something without getting a chance to try it out first... Bring back demo discs!!!!

I am pretty sure that Apple allows no cause refunds. Will look it up.

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/features/408977/how_to_get_a_refund_from_the_itunes_app_store.html

( well you are supposed to add a cause).

unklerosco

Pittens wrote: »

I am pretty sure that Apple allows no cause refunds. Will look it up.

They do, meant to be a pain to get the refund tho.. They also hold onto their 30% for hosting the app..

kjl

Well, Im just going to admit it, I do, and have no problems with it. I know a lot of work goes into making an app, but will the cascades of sh!t on the app store I just don't want to risk getting something rubbish for whatever I pay.

If an app is good, I will tell people about it, therefore generating business for that developer. 95% of iPhone users don't know how to do pirate apps so the devs should be happy that people in the know are using their app. If they are so concerned about it they should do what I do, contact the likes of filedude and other hosting companies and ask them to remove it.

pjhamill

The amount of people who actually have no problem downloading cracked apps and saying stuff like it's not that hard to make an app really piss me off.Like they could make one.The amount of bull**** that comes out of some people.

pjhamill

Apple should just prevent people downloading them.

Stuxnet

Lol, how ? Toyota shouldn't let people drive cars, they might go over the limit,

There is piracy on all consoles bar the ps3, it's practically impossible stop,

Rented Mule

Agent Smith wrote: »

You Wouldnt Download a car...





I FUCKING WOULD IF I COULD!

They need to find you more things to do at work !!

AntiVirus

jester77 wrote: »

If you live somewhere that has few pizzeria's, then that is hardly the apps fault. Plus the app is free, they make their money from the business's that use their portal. So it's not like people are losing out.

Whats the name of the app, I'll test it and see if its as good as you say

Johnzy Fitzgerald

Used to download cracked apps quite a bit when I first got my 3G (late 2008), but I found that I rarely used the apps or played the games because there are so many quality apps out there that I was always trying out something new before I gave the last thing a proper go.
Once I upgraded to the 3GS I didn't even bother jailbreaking it and I found that I get more use and enjoyment out of the apps that I pay for (simply because I can't be downloading like a mad man (no morals involved)).
I'm not really decided if there's much for me to gain by jailbreaking my iPhone 4.

nesf

Pirate to trial yes, but generally I'd purchase any app I actually used.

ShaneU

No, there's some many great apps for free on the store, I just don't think it's worth the hassle.

jester77

AntiVirus wrote: »

Whats the name of the app, I'll test it and see if its as good as you say

Well, it's a German app so unless you are in Germany it won't be of any use. Here's the link

Keano!

The bull5hit from some people here.

"I download as a trial, if I like it, I'll buy it" - Yeah right, who are you kidding. Is the trial a few months long or something?



Yes I do it. Find I generally delete it about a day after downloading, but the ones I like, I'll keep obviously. FYI, I currently have 6 'cracked' apps. Do I feel guilty? No.... Money's tight :eek:

georgiemcgrane

Keano! wrote: »

The bull5hit from some people here.

"I download as a trial, if I like it, I'll buy it" - Yeah right, who are you kidding. Is the trial a few months long or something?



Yes I do it. Find I generally delete it about a day after downloading, but the ones I like, I'll keep obviously. FYI, I currently have 6 'cracked' apps. Do I feel guilty? No.... Money's tight :eek:

Im sure thats what a guy who just snatched cash out of the hand of an old lady collecting her pension said - "Sorry Miss But Money Is Tight".

Say what you want to feel better about it, but your breaking the law and depriving hard working software publishers of the pittance (which is all most apps cost) they need to make their business viable.

Owen

Keano! wrote: »

The bull5hit from some people here.

"I download as a trial, if I like it, I'll buy it" - Yeah right, who are you kidding. Is the trial a few months long or something?

Maybe you're dishonest enough not to pay for software, but not everyone's like you. I genuinely do pay for apps on my phone, it's only fair to the developers. I'm self employed, I know what it is to have to struggle for income.

Keano!

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Maybe you're dishonest enough not to pay for software, but not everyone's like you. I genuinely do pay for apps on my phone, it's only fair to the developers. I'm self employed, I know what it is to have to struggle for income.

Sorry, I'm actually being honest. Learn what the word means.

Who said I didn't pay for apps. I have some apps I have paid for from the iTunes store.


When I see the chance to save a few bob, more often then not I'm going to take it.



Anyway, you all missed my point about people downloading them cracked and then saying they will buy the full app if they liked the cracked one. LMAO... please....:pac:

deep1

I don't download cracked apps, as a Software developer myself i know the work behind it, and i feel sorry for some developers when people start asking for refund or giving out if update doesn't work or something goes wrong.
But i agree there should be atleast a day trial (There are few lite apps anyway) to test app before someone commit to buy.

georgiemcgrane

Keano! wrote: »

Sorry, I'm actually being honest. Learn what the word means.

Who said I didn't pay for apps. I have some apps I have paid for from the iTunes store.

When I see the chance to save a few bob, more often then not I'm going to take it.

Anyway, you all missed my point about people downloading them cracked and then saying they will buy the full app if they liked the cracked one. LMAO... please....:pac:

Dont try to make out like your doing a service to app publishers by "trying before your buying" - If you want a service like that, contact apple and ask about it. Most decent developers would prob welcome such a feature, It would cut out a lot of rubbish on the app store and ensure a stronger presence for the decent apps on there.

However your statement about "saving a few bob" is pretty culturally engrained in Ireland. People download and use cracked apps because someone else has done the hard work of stealing and making it available through cydia, A lot of people would buy a "cheap TV" or "DVD" from a less than reputable source (dodgy Bob from the pub - always has bargains) but not too many would actually rob a warehouse or retailer directly. The bigger picture is being missed here and that is Buying from Dodgy Bob or downloading cracked apps from cydia creates a "Market Demand" for such things and that demand will be met.

Your just contributing to the demand. On top of which (and Im not being personal here) your just a leech who benefits from the work of others whilst parading yourself about the place like some kind of software robin hood claiming poverty as a justification for your actions.

Owen

Keano! wrote: »

Anyway, you all missed my point about people downloading them cracked and then saying they will buy the full app if they liked the cracked one. LMAO... please....:pac:

That's exactly why I do. If I can't find a free stripped out version of an app I want to buy, I'll get the pirate one. If its rubbish, it gets uninstalled. If it's anyway decent, I'll uninstall it and pay for it.

I agree with previous posters, the Android method of trying an app out for 24 hours seems best.

keane2097

Developers need to wise up imo.

It's all grand crying about people taking bread off your table and all the rest of it, but the fact is, that's reality.

It's not going to stop, people aren't going to change, and, if anything, it will probably get worse.

Developers need to find a different paradigm, like making the apps free and making their money through ads, because you're not going to stop piracy.

There is another side to this issue as well, in that some people think that every pirated version of an app equates to a real money loss to a developer. This is just wrong. In a lot (I would say the vast majority) of cases, somebody who downloads a cracked version of your app was NEVER going to pay for it.

Let's simplify it and say 100% of people who use a cracked version of your app wouldn't have installed it if they had to pay for it (obv inaccurate but not wildly so). In this scenario, you have a swathe of people who will either use your app or not, but either way you are not gonig to get any money from them directly. Therefore, your income (from them) is actually completely unaffected by whether or not they install your app. You nevertheless benefit from increased exposure of your app that may lead to other people deciding to purchase it in future.

tl;dr: Pirating a .79c app is not the same thing as stealing .79c from a developer, it's not even close.