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Area worst hit by the recession?

  • 01-08-2010 09:47PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭


    Has to be limerick.

    Fewer than 1,000 IDA jobs for limerick city and county since 1997, and thousands of IDA jobs lost. Nothing done since Dell's closure in 2008 has exacberated the situation.

    Waterford, and donegal would make the list too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    You wouldn't say that of you saw the shopping centre and retail park car parks in Limerick every weekend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    I see them, and I also see plenty of vacant places in them too unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Some people in donegal would tell you that the recession had no impact on donegal because the celtic tiger never arrived in the first place! Fruit of the loom, nena models, unifi et etc were all gone before the tiger truely arrived. People in the Finn valley area would not know what an IDA job was


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    ninty9er wrote: »
    You wouldn't say that of you saw the shopping centre and retail park car parks in Limerick every weekend.

    Not EVERYONE lost their job so yes some people will still be going on with their lives as normal.

    Cork could be up there by the time Pfizer closes but by the time all the jobs are lost hopefully emplyment will have picked up.
    Think the last round of lay offs is 2012 or 2015?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I think Waterford has been hit pretty badly, from what I've heard. Athlone would be another where something like 40% of men under 25 are unemployed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    RichardAnd wrote: »
    I think Waterford has been hit pretty badly, from what I've heard. Athlone would be another where something like 40% of men under 25 are unemployed.

    THats because they are either in school or collage. Stupid statistic tbh.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    Hogzy wrote: »
    THats because they are either in school or collage. Stupid statistic tbh.:rolleyes:


    Oh, that's news to me. That statistic came from RTE so I guess that's another example of their own brand of "journalism".

    Still, I spent 6 months there last summer on contract and the place seemed kind of depressed to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Joe1919


    This guy is suggesting Co Laois, although the info is a year old. Has anyone more up to date data?

    http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/05/11/where-in-ireland-has-seen-the-biggest-increase-in-unemployment/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I forgot as well to mention the devastating effect the fishing cutbacks had on donegal. I out of EVERY three people eligible to work in donegal is unemployed, although we have criminals from the north signing on en masse so maybe that stat is a little soft.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,044 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    doc_17 wrote: »
    Some people in donegal would tell you that the recession had no impact on donegal because the celtic tiger never arrived in the first place! Fruit of the loom, nena models, unifi et etc were all gone before the tiger truely arrived. People in the Finn valley area would not know what an IDA job was
    They would if they moved somewhere with the population density to support jobs en masse.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭doc_17


    murphaph wrote: »
    They would if they moved somewhere with the population density to support jobs en masse.

    Yeah so then they wouldn't be IN THE FINN VALLEY AREA. Or maybe I should have said "there are no IDA jobs in the Finn Valley" just to make my point crystal clear


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Hogzy wrote: »
    THats because they are either in school or collage. Stupid statistic tbh.:rolleyes:

    Depends on the provenance of the statistics. The live register, for example, excludes people in full time education.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,044 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    doc_17 wrote: »
    Yeah so then they wouldn't be IN THE FINN VALLEY AREA. Or maybe I should have said "there are no IDA jobs in the Finn Valley" just to make my point crystal clear
    My point was simple: Why should jobs be brought to the FINN VALLEY AREA?

    Donegal is simply not a logical place to build factories, no more than the Scottish Highlands are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    I disagree.

    That's the lazy attitude that the government adopted and as a result, dublin has become

    overcrowded with dreadful planning
    huge money spent on infrastructure, etc
    people paying way over the odds for average apartments

    whilst most of the country is left to rot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    I would wager Offaly to be one of the worst effected.

    Factories have been shutting down for years with only new jobs being in construction in the town which has obviously collapsed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    is biffo doing anything for offaly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    liammur wrote: »
    is biffo doing anything for offaly?

    Is Biffo doing anything for ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,044 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    liammur wrote: »
    I disagree.

    That's the lazy attitude that the government adopted and as a result, dublin has become

    overcrowded with dreadful planning
    huge money spent on infrastructure, etc
    people paying way over the odds for average apartments

    whilst most of the country is left to rot.
    Huge Money spent on Infrastructure in Dublin? I must have missed the train from the airport to my gaff last time I flew home. Where is it again? I suppose I could use the tram "network" (2 seperate lines actually, never completed). Are you maybe talking about the port tunnel which was built to get trucks primarily from outside Dublin to be able to reach the port without passing through the city?

    Most of the country left to rot?
    Lynch and now Shannon tunnels open. Vast quantities of motorway all over Ireland.

    Dublin has had dreadful planning imposed on it, no question...you seem to think that because Dublin was not planned well in recent years that it should not be improved..strange.

    If you think that the current government has focussed spending on Dublin at the expense of the regions, think again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    liammur wrote: »
    Has to be limerick.

    Fewer than 1,000 IDA jobs for limerick city and county since 1997, and thousands of IDA jobs lost. Nothing done since Dell's closure in 2008 has exacberated the situation.
    If there were less than a thousand created in the first place, how do you make out that there were less than that created. They have to be created first.

    You also have to aggregate the effect of the Shannon Free Zone. Thousands of people commute there every day. My dad is one that's been commuting there for 20 odd years from the city, the same way as many thousands of the people made redundant by Dell have no direct impact on the Limerick unemployment figures as many were commuting from Cork, Kerry and Tipperary to work there and in associated companies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    Well in terms of the Dublin, Cork, Galway and Limerick it has to be the latter that has taken the biggest hit...by far! Limerick City has been absolutely decimated by the recession, the amount of closed businesses in the city is staggering. We all know that Dell has also had a huge impact on this region and it looks like things are progressively getting worse. This problem is also compounded by the idiotic decisions taken by Limerick City Council who have effectively helped drive business out of the city and into the numerous retail parks circling the city. If you want an example of how not to plan/run a city then take a trip to Limerick and see for yourself. As a Lonely Planet guide once said - "It is best viewed in a rear view mirror."


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    Most jobs Limerick got were prior to this government eg. Dell in 1991.
    FF since 1997 has done nothing for Limerick, most people realise that apart from the extremely limited.

    ---

    Look at the port tunnell, dublin airport T2, the upgrade of the M50, how costly was that? and that's just 3 off the top of my head!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Nolanger


    RichardAnd wrote: »
    I think Waterford has been hit pretty badly, from what I've heard.
    That's because the best and brightest have to leave to go to a proper university and usually never go back :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,044 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    liammur wrote: »
    Most jobs Limerick got were prior to this government eg. Dell in 1991.
    FF since 1997 has done nothing for Limerick, most people realise that apart from the extremely limited.

    ---

    Look at the port tunnell, dublin airport T2, the upgrade of the M50, how costly was that? and that's just 3 off the top of my head!
    Port Tunnel is more use to hauliers from outside Dublin than to the ordinary citizens I can assure you! Ordinary Dubs can't afford to use the shagging thing as it's rather expensive you know ;)

    As for T2, well, Dublin airport is a piece of strategically important national infrastructure. would you rather Dublin airport was starved of funding so we could build up regional airports that will never be able to function as hubs?

    Btw, Limerick (Shannon Airport) had a massive competitive advantage handed to it for decades with the compulsory Shannon stopover, which directly impacted on Dublin's attractiveness as a business location for US firms, yet Limerick STILL couldn't make hay with it.

    The M50 is a Dublin Bypass (or was). Would you rather force people from Limerick to drive through Dublin on their way to Belfast etc. just to bite off your nose to spite your face?

    Finally: DUBLIN CAN AFFORD IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. ANY AND ALL INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT IN LIMERICK (M20, M7 SRR, M18, Shannon Tunnel) is built with money from outside Limerick...show some friggin gratitude ffs!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    You are wrong on numerous points.

    I've always stated that limerick doesn't need a tunnell, total waste of money. Spend it on upgrading hospitals. I don't think for instance anyone here will argue about having a state of the art children's hospital in dublin and/or elsewhere.

    Secondly, the DAA is in total control od shannon airport, this would be like liverpool depending on man utd for cash.

    Thirdly, because the government places most IDA jobs in dublin, there should be an onus on the government to spread the wealth or else, give autonomy to the regions.

    And this is as silly as i've ever seen, but it made me laugh :

    Finally: DUBLIN CAN AFFORD IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. ANY AND ALL INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT IN LIMERICK (M20, M7 SRR, M18, Shannon Tunnel) is built with money from outside Limerick...show some friggin gratitude ffs!

    that's the reverse of people saying, dublin should only pay for the mess created by anglo, aib and boi as they're based in dublin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,044 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    liammur wrote: »
    You are wrong on numerous points.

    I've always stated that limerick doesn't need a tunnell, total waste of money. Spend it on upgrading hospitals. I don't think for instance anyone here will argue about having a state of the art children's hospital in dublin and/or elsewhere.

    Secondly, the DAA is in total control od shannon airport, this would be like liverpool depending on man utd for cash.

    Thirdly, because the government places most IDA jobs in dublin, there should be an onus on the government to spread the wealth or else, give autonomy to the regions.

    And this is as silly as i've ever seen, but it made me laugh :

    Finally: DUBLIN CAN AFFORD IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. ANY AND ALL INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT IN LIMERICK (M20, M7 SRR, M18, Shannon Tunnel) is built with money from outside Limerick...show some friggin gratitude ffs!

    that's the reverse of people saying, dublin should only pay for the mess created by anglo, aib and boi as they're based in dublin
    You're straying farther from reality with each post.

    The IDA markets Ireland, they actually try really hard to get MNCs to locate in the regions but guess what, they often don't want to!

    If Dublin had to foot the entire bill for Anglo etc. but never had to pay a cent to the regions, it would be a win win for the city and the Greater Dublin Region.

    As for pumping yet more money into our healthcare system...we already pump in more per capita than many states with FAR SUPERIOR healthcare systems. The problem with our HSE is not a lack of funding, as anyone with any cop on knows.

    For the record, I wish Limerick well, just sick to my back teeth of people mouthing off about spending money in Dublin being a "waste".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    Well for the record I also wish every region and person in this state well.

    I was in hospital in limerick recently and i can tell you that hospital is really run down and hasn't seen a penny in a long long time.
    I'd prefer the money to go in there than the tunnel, and the same applies to dublin and elsewhere.

    Talking about dublin paying for other areas is silly, a bit like mayo being entitled to all proceeds from corrib gas fields etc.

    As for IDA jobs, the government gives special grants to BMW area, hence galway has atttracted IBM, SAP, Boston Scientific just to name a few. It's easy to do it if they're prepared to do it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    Worst hit is Donegal. I would say its really Irelands forgotten county. But as far as numbers go.. Dublin is the hardest hit (dublin and the commuter belt)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    liammur wrote: »
    is biffo doing anything for offaly?

    That's not his job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    as a local td, maybe it is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,434 ✭✭✭doc_17


    murphaph wrote: »
    My point was simple: Why should jobs be brought to the FINN VALLEY AREA?

    Donegal is simply not a logical place to build factories, no more than the Scottish Highlands are.

    I get your point and understand where you're coming from. Not being smart here or looking to annoy you but what would you do with donegal and other sparsly populated areas? Just shut them down?


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