Roscommon vs. Cork All-Ireland SFC Q-F Discussion

Syferus

So, Cork fans, how much are my Rossies going to lose by? I didn't know football scores went into the hundreds!

They'll do us and Connacht proud and dump the pre-season All-Ireland favourites out. Seriously.

Diabhal Beag

Going for Roscommon (like 31 other counties). I don't want to Rossie's fairytale to end until at least the Quarters.

Ian_K

Just dont see them winning enough possession to feed Mr. Shine.
Cork to make hard work of it but scrape a win by 3 or 4 points

tawfeeredux

Roscommon really need to at least replicate the defensive performance from the Sligo game to have any chance. That was the first time in a while that I've seen them that the opposing team didn't cut through the centre of our defence on a regular basis. Even in the semi-final, we let Leitrim through at speed a few times, though they didn't have the cutting edge to really punish us. I can imagine guys like Pearse O'Neill really going to town if we go back to that sort of display.

Though it's not just the defence. I think the core of the performance against Sligo was the amount of ball we won around midfield. Half backs & half forwards (esp Cregg) were immense in this regard. Cork's size around the middle gives them more kick-out options & will give them an advantage in terms of winning clean ball, so I think we really need to break ball as much as possible & hope to win more than our share of the breaks.

It'll be very tough. I'm still dreaming of putting one over on Cork, but realistically, if we can keep it to 4-5 points in the end, i think it'd be a decent end to our championship campaign.

Murphj7

I would reckon Shields will put Shine in his pocket. Shine hasnt done much, a Coonaught Final isnt what you call major, Shields is known for marking renowned forward, O Sullivan Donaghy Walsh and O Neill.

homerjay2005

the confidence roscommon people have is baffling.

can they win? yes of course they can, on any given day, teams can beat anybody and cork are there to be beaten. however, will they win, no they wont. cork are a far better team than roscommon and i feel, that if both teams play to their potential, cork will win this by 8 to 12 points.

ShamoBuc

Cork should not lose this match. I believe they will do enough to win 6 or 7 points. I just cannot see Roscommon outscoring this cork team.

nice_guy80

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the confidence roscommon people have is baffling.

can they win? yes of course they can, on any given day, teams can beat anybody and cork are there to be beaten. however, will they win, no they wont. cork are a far better team than roscommon and i feel, that if both teams play to their potential, cork will win this by 8 to 12 points.

Roscommon have some football pedigree and tradition which allows their supporters to dream of putting it up to the big boys

Syferus

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the confidence roscommon people have is baffling.

can they win? yes of course they can, on any given day, teams can beat anybody and cork are there to be beaten. however, will they win, no they wont. cork are a far better team than roscommon and i feel, that if both teams play to their potential, cork will win this by 8 to 12 points.

Ideally we should be subservant to our footballing superiors? So far in this thread and in the draw thread if anyone has had even the faintest mention of Roscommon having a chance it's always been tempered by a respect for the task ahead of us. We know better than most about counties getting overconfident, sir!

namloc1980

I expect Cork to win handy enough here. Alot of premature talk going on this week writing off Cork after the Limerick game. In the qualifiers so far Cork destroyed Cavan and had a very impressive, and relatively straight forward, 7 point win over Wexford. Cork were heading for a 4 point win against Limerick before having a bit of a brain fart in injury time at the end of the second half. Even after that they came out and pretty much dominated extra-time. Limerick would put it up to any team in the country as the showed against Kerry in the Munster Final scoring 1-14, with Kerry needing some Gooch magic to get the win. 7-10 point win for Cork.

Bomany

Cork will dispose of Roscommon easily enough.

wow sierra

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the confidence roscommon people have is baffling.

can they win? yes of course they can, on any given day, teams can beat anybody and cork are there to be beaten. however, will they win, no they wont. cork are a far better team than roscommon and i feel, that if both teams play to their potential, cork will win this by 8 to 12 points.

Of course if both teams play to their current potential Cork will win - As a Rossie I am flattered to read you think they will only win by 8pts playing at their best;);). The whole essence of sport is that teams rarely do play at their best. For Gods sake some Shamrock Rovers fans are hoping to beat Juventus tomorrow.

The point is we know this Roscommon team will be well prepared and they will do us proud, as they already have. They are a talented committed group of players who have all already won in Croke Park. And if Cork hit a bad day and we get some luck we could win. Thats sport. With the age profile, we know we have many more days out with them anyway in years to come.

Magi11

I hope Roscommon give it a lash, unlike Sligo in 2007 who went out to keep the score down. However, Cork should win by as much as they want but unlike 2007 will be spared making arses of themselves in the final against Kerry by being beaten by Tyrone in the semi final.

wow sierra

Murphj7 wrote: »

I would reckon Shields will put Shine in his pocket. Shine hasnt done much, a Coonaught Final isnt what you call major, Shields is known for marking renowned forward, O Sullivan Donaghy Walsh and O Neill.

While Shine is an excellent all round player, his main asset to the team is as a placekicker. Even if he is man marked out of the game he will still put away the frees won by the other forwards. By the way he has won All Ireland Minor title, Connaught Under 21 and Senior and has in general been playing great football for most of his 21 years. But that aint much eh? Oh and that renowned "Walsh" couldn't get a look at the ball against him in that All Ireland Minor final.

Syferus

wow sierra wrote: »

While Shine is an excellent all round player, his main asset to the team is as a placekicker. Even if he is man marked out of the game he will still put away the frees won by the other forwards. By the way he has won All Ireland Minor title, Connaught Under 21 and Senior and has in general been playing great football for most of his 21 years. But that aint much eh? Oh and that renowned "Walsh" couldn't get a look at the ball against him in that All Ireland Minor final.

To be fair, he's entirely correct - in the minor final and replay of 2006 Shine played in midfield directly against Walsh and by all accounts won their battle convincingly. The only scary part about Shine being a class act is that Australian buzzards may start sounding him out and while Kerry can cope with a star forward leaving, it'd be a far heftier blow for a county of our size.

Murphj7

Roscommon are like Cavan and Wexford HAD TRADITION. That same Walsh won young player of the year, won an All Ireland. In Kerry its all about the tin can Sam Maguire. He missed handy frees in last matchh, Croke Park will get to Roscommon, Shine is only player who would make Cork 15.
Limerick would have beaten any Connaught side.

Syferus

Murphj7 wrote: »

Roscommon are like Cavan and Wexford HAD TRADITION. That same Walsh won young player of the year, won an All Ireland. In Kerry its all about the tin can Sam Maguire. He missed handy frees in last matchh, Croke Park will get to Roscommon, Shine is only player who would make Cork 15.
Limerick would have beaten any Connaught side.

I think we lost our tradition on the road to Castlebar - the trailgate was horrible and there was alot of flags strewn around the place!

We did find a trophy while we were looking for our lost tradition, so that will tide us over until it's returned to us.

rossie1977

this match could go one of two ways, roscommon could get stagefright and be beat out the door before the half-time whistle or they could rise to the occasion and give it a good lash like say sligo did last year against kerry, i really hope the latter but i am fearing the former roscommon cannot afford to start slowly in this game or its will be gone within 15mins

piece of trivia for cork fans, last time cork played roscommon in croke park they went on to win the all-ireland in 1990

rossie1977

Murphj7 wrote: »

Roscommon are like Cavan and Wexford HAD TRADITION.

ah now wexford haven't appeared in all-ireland final since 1918, roscommon have more recent tradition than that to be fair, cavan and offaly would be better comparison

TheSpecialOne

Cork will maul them, Connaught Football is scandalously bad!If Cork are as serious as they want us to believe they will win by 10-15 points.

wow sierra

Roscommon last trip to Croke Park was in 2007 when we beat Cavan easily, we beat Wexford in the Championship in 2009. Now why do those teams sound familiar - oh yeah they were beaten by the mighty Cork in their great 2010 Championship run;);). Last time we played Cork was 2008 and were beaten by 2 points - I think that was the same year we were making headlines for defeats in the 20 point range.
TRADITION - You've just got to love it:D:);)

No I don't think we are likely to win on Sunday, but we might ....... that's all we are saying.

tawfeeredux

Anyone know if Senan Kilbride is anywhere near fitness yet? I know he was back training with the panel before the Connacht final, but can't remember if he made the subs bench. It'd be great to have him as an extra option in full forward line if Shine is held or has to move further out the field.

Syferus

tawfeeredux wrote: »

Anyone know if Senan Kilbride is anywhere near fitness yet? I know he was back training with the panel before the Connacht final, but can't remember if he made the subs bench. It'd be great to have him as an extra option in full forward line if Shine is held or has to move further out the field.

I've heard nothing but Kilbride always struck me as a player with a touch of class but that was very well diguised by our bad runs in the past few years (though 2009 showed more shoots of promise than alot of outsiders would have you believe!) and I think if we continue to have good runs he'll make a name for himself in the future.

grenache

All depends how Cork approach this game, if they labour like they did against Limerick, then Roscommon will be nip and tuck with them. If they play somewhere near their potential (and i believe they will now they've reached Croke Park) then they should win this by 7-8 points.

Syferus

Does anyone remember the 2003 first round qualifier between the teams? For my money, that was the start of our best run since the trail end of the Connacht double of 1990/1991 and given that, the best run in my own contemporary memory!

I wished I'd went to the Hyde for that game, but really after being knocked out of Connacht att he first bite most of us just supposed we'd at best put up a valiant effort and that'd be our sum total for the summer

I know it's been mentioned before, but it's pretty interesting that besides Kerry, only Fermanagh (the very next year) have beaten Cork in the championship since that day in June 2003. Surely six years is long enough for one county to wait for someone but Kerry to knock them out!

blackbelt

As a neutral rooting for Roscommon,sadly I can only see this going one way...a total annihilation of Cork.

Roscommon will need to be properly tested for the semi final.

Bill2673

Murphj7 wrote: »

Roscommon are like Cavan and Wexford HAD TRADITION. That same Walsh won young player of the year, won an All Ireland. In Kerry its all about the tin can Sam Maguire. He missed handy frees in last matchh, Croke Park will get to Roscommon, Shine is only player who would make Cork 15.
Limerick would have beaten any Connaught side.

Just a point on this......Wexford had a streaky run a hundred years ago, but it is true that Roscommon and especially Cavan had very lengthy periods where they were king pins in their region and even in the entire country from 1930s through to 1950s.

Now it may be that GAA is on the wane in these counties and that is why they don't compete as well.

One thing I would point to (and apologies for going completely off topic from the OP) is population shift.

Take a latter day super power Meath. 100 years ago, Roscommon's population was nearly twice that of Meath. Today, Meath's population is nearly three time's that of Roscommon's. If you add into the mix that people in the 18-24 age group are quite likely to be leaving the county to study at university/ college/ get a job.....

Roscommon had tradition/ still has tradition......the numbers game is stacked against the county. So if they can beat Cork, its a phenomenal achievement.

tawfeeredux

blackbelt wrote: »

As a neutral rooting for Roscommon,sadly I can only see this going one way...a total annihilation of Cork.

Roscommon will need to be properly tested for the semi final.

Steady on there! Even the Rossies aren't gettin that carried away with themselves .

blackbelt

tawfeeredux wrote: »

Steady on there! Even the Rossies aren't gettin that carried away with themselves .

:D:D:D:D:D:D

rossie1977

Bill2673 wrote: »

Roscommon had tradition/ still has tradition......the numbers game is stacked against the county. So if they can beat Cork, its a phenomenal achievement.

yeah to say roscommon don't still have tradition is not right, its a football proud county that has produced great teams and some of the finest players ever to play the game, sure the last 10-15 years have been bleak but thats not to say the candle dimmed completely during that time

we are still the only county in ireland to beat kerry at every level in an ireland final (senior,u-21, minor and junior)

megadodge

The feeling around Roscommon before the draw was made was "anybody but Cork" and it hasn't changed since.

It is very hard to see the Rossies winning this one as Cork are an extremely good team. Despite the fact that they only seem to have two natural finishers (Colm O'Neill and Goulding) their ball-winning ability, strength, size, pace and ball-carrying ability is enough to swamp most teams in terms of possession and pressure and means they create so many chances that on the law of averages they kick enough scores to win.

Roscommon's biggest problem will be midfield, where Corks' central diamond is so big and good in the air, it's a case of 'where does Claffey kick it out to'. Despite Finneran's excellent Connacht final display, his lack of physical strength will, I suspect, be found out pretty quickly and he's going to need an awful lot of help from our half lines. Karl Mannion will really have to step it up and I'm not sure he has the wherewithal to do that for the entire match.

Our best hope lies in our hard-working and talented half-forward line. If these guys can get in around Cork for the kickouts and disrupt them and then use their running ability to carry the ball at Cork, it could make things interesting, but I would be surprised to see Roscommon within 5 points or less at the final whistle.

Comic Book Guy

As Fergie said this is now bonus territory for us Rossies, however its not every year we get to play championship foortball in august so i hope all the players empty the tank and give it a right cut.
A good start is vital for Ros to settle into the game, from a Cork point of view i would be telling the players to avoid giving up silly frees in the first quarter hour giving Shine and Ros a chance to establish themselves.
While a lot of people have been writing off corks all ireland chances they are still in the quarters playing weel within themselves. They hammered cavan, were comfortable against wexford and despite a poor performance beat a very under rated Limerick.
Cant see us getting anywhere near the amount of possession we enjoyed in the first half against sligo against a very strong and mobile middle 4 for Cork.
However i'm confident Ros will do themselves justice with a good performance but ultimately come up short by 4-5 points, but am hoping cork dont hit full tilt (remember donegal last year!!)

theverminator5

think cork will win but i dont think it will be as much as the bookies suggest.
Shine is a top free taker and cork neerly lost to limerick because of poor frees they will have to sort that out to be sure.

tomdadude

I feel unless Roscommon get a good start this one could over by half time.

Cork don't really hold that fear factor that Kerry do for example so Roscommon won't be fazed by Cork at all.They just won't be good enough.

andyman

wow sierra wrote: »

While Shine is an excellent all round player, his main asset to the team is as a placekicker. Even if he is man marked out of the game he will still put away the frees won by the other forwards. By the way he has won All Ireland Minor title, Connaught Under 21 and Senior and has in general been playing great football for most of his 21 years. But that aint much eh? Oh and that renowned "Walsh" couldn't get a look at the ball against him in that All Ireland Minor final.

He has a Sigerson Cup medal too.

Syferus

And for what it's worth, an O'Bryne Cup medal from this year too - DCU really shone (ho.. ho?) this season. A forward group that included fellow Connacht stand-outs David Kelly and Cathal Cregg aswell!

flas

Syferus wrote: »

And for what it's worth, an O'Bryne Cup medal from this year too - DCU really shone (ho.. ho?) this season. A forward group that included fellow Connacht stand-outs David Kelly and Cathal Cregg aswell!

and david keenan also...

irishturkey

I'd love to be confident of a Roscommon win but just don't see enough quality in their team. In Casey, McDermott, Domican, Mannion, Shine, Heneghan and Cregg they have players who can do a job but I just thnk Cork will have them under the cosh from the start. Corks midfield arent going to give Finneran as much ball as Sligo did and Shine won't get half as much space.

Also, as well as Shine played against Sligo. he missed some very kickable frees. Cork won't let those go unpunished.

Sad to say it but I expect a 6-10 point win for the rebels.

Ian_K

Cork Team For Sunday

http://gaacork.ie/

Quirke

Carey
Shields
O'Sullivan

O'Leary
Canty
Kissane

Kavanagh :eek:
Walsh

Kerrigan
P O'Neill
Kelly

Goulding
Sheehan
C O'Neill

castie

Ian_K wrote: »

Cork Team For Sunday

http://gaacork.ie/

Quirke

Carey
Shields
O'Sullivan

O'Leary
Canty
Kissane

Kavanagh :eek:
Walsh

Kerrigan
P O'Neill
Kelly

Goulding
Sheehan
C O'Neill

Murphy isnt quite right yet.
So no point in risking him from the start.

Is cadogen on the bench even?

ShamoBuc

I hope Cadogan doesn't see any game time on sunday - unless we are in difficulty in defence, which I doubt will happen - he has a rather important hurling match on the horizon!!

yungwan

Heading to Croker for my first time ever to support Rossies!!

Let us have the excitement for now anyway!!

Dont think we will do it but ya never know I guess!

Just hope the boys do us proud and try their best. If they keep a 3/4 point margin ill be proud!

Tucker.Tim

I'm sure everyone's already massively proud of them! I think it's hard for larger counties to understand how much Roscommon is a one sport county and just how much victories like Sunday week's mean to vast swathes of people here. For all the very evident passion in Cork, Galway, Louth and the vast majority of the other counties, there's usually a local soccer team, a decent hurling team or rugby also at the front of people's minds. It's all or nothing here. We're certainly no Kerry or Kilkenny, but all that means is that a victory is all the sweeter when it does arrive.

It's a unifying force in a county our size and the after-effects of a victory usually last longer than most of neighbours - I remember flags in towns and outside peoples' houses for months after winning the Minor All-Ireland in 2006. If you really want to insult a Roscommon man question their passion and tradition!

wow sierra

Tucker.Tim wrote: »

I'm sure everyone's already massively proud of them! I think it's hard for larger counties to understand how much Roscommon is a one sport county and just how much victories like Sunday week's mean to vast swathes of people here. For all the very evident passion in Cork, Galway, Louth and the vast majority of the other counties, there's usually a local soccer team, a decent hurling team or rugby also at the front of people's minds. It's all or nothing here. We're certainly no Kerry or Kilkenny, but all that means is that a victory is all the sweeter when it does arrive.

It's a unifying force in a county our size and the after-effects of a victory usually last longer than most of neighbours - I remember flags in towns and outside peoples' houses for months after winning the Minor All-Ireland in 2006. If you really want to insult a Roscommon man question their passion and tradition!

Excellent post about how much this means to the county but just want to point out that Roscommon is not a one sport county. Local Soccer is huge in Roscommon with most GAA players being dual players - in that they play for their local Soccer club too. When I was a kid growing up in Ross we were huge fans of Athlone Town. And our favourite(?!) ex keeper Shane Curran used to play for them. I believe there are two former Rossie minors from last year lining out for Connaught Rugby in Aviva stadium today Daniel Qualter and Shane Leydon - good luck lads - do the west proud.

cc87

castie wrote: »

Is cadogen on the bench even?

He has a problem with his back and cant play

PatsytheNazi

I do expect Cork to win this with a bit to spare but I can't see them beat the winners of Tyrone/Dub and Kerry (probably) in the final anymore. I'll stick with them but some of teh things they do on the pitch has me asking questions about them and the management. I hope Roscommon do well but I think Cork are the type of team that can really put weaker teams to the sword. Roscommon are developing but I don't think they are anything more than a division 3 team at the moment and Cork, have too much size and power for teams of that standard.

namloc1980

With Kerry gone now surely Cork will grasp this opportunity. They won't get a better chance to win an All-Ireland with no Kerry to face.

ShamoBuc

namloc1980 wrote: »

With Kerry gone now surely Cork will grasp this opportunity. They won't get a better chance to win an All-Ireland with no Kerry to face.

INCORRECT !!! They won't get a better chance to win an ALL-Ireland with no Kerry AND NO TYRONE to face

We will surely get there this year..... I do think that team deserve an All Ireland, they have been knocking around a while now.

Dermotsull13

Cork must be dancing a jig in whatever hotel they are staying in tonight... some turn of events today

dartbhoy

Not so sure if today's results are of any great benefit to Cork. Roscommon will surely be brimming with confidence this evening after 2 outsiders winning and they'll want to repeat the dose on Cork tomorrow. However with our neighbouring rivals after been knocked out today this is surely Cork's best ever chance of winning an All Ireland. However I'd remain cautious until tomorrow is over!

Clare Bear

Dermotsull13 wrote: »

Cork must be dancing a jig in whatever hotel they are staying in tonight... some turn of events today

Looks like this is their best chance in years. Here's hoping anyway!