Iphone 4G or wait for Android2.2

richb6987

Hi guys. I am on three and eligible for an upgrade. I can get an Iphone 4G or wait another month or so for the HTC desire to re hit the shelves. Something else may be out at that stage in Android that is better that I should go for but don't know about yet. Is there any recomendations as to teh best course of action. I am tired waiting for a new android phone.

I have an old touch and like it a lot but I do follow races and weather reports etc that use adobe flash players. Is there any applications that you can use on the iphone that will allow you access the flash side of things. If there is my decision is made.

Many thanks

RichB

Mr. Rager

Id wait for the desire. There won't be a better android phone in the next while. Plus you'll get flash in the next month or so on the desire with 2.2.

partyatmygaff

The HTC Desire is a much better choice. It does far more than the iPhone 4 and costs less to boot. There is no way to view flash video on the iPhone.

mooneyd

Android ftw

strecker

starting today FRoyo is rolling out for desire. No word yet of when Ireland will get the official update but there's hope. Also new Desire's will feature "Super LCD" screens rather than the amoled screens seen on previous batches, Super lcd screens combined with froyo should significantly improve battery performance. But than again...

richb6987

Thanks guys. So does anyone know when the HTC will be back especially with three. What is the expected battery life for normal use

cnocbui

Samsung Galaxy S is probably better than the Desire and is available now. A beta of 2.2 for it has been leaked, for those who want to play.

Blackdragon

I went with the Desire myself and i never looked back

evolutionqy7

desire all the way and since Android is Open Source you can find unofficial cooked 2.2 froyo updates loads of better stuff than iPhone anyway...

cullenswood

Anyone any idea when the Desire will be back with three?

cojomo2

cullenswood wrote: »

Anyone any idea when the Desire will be back with three?

was never there in the first place! I'd imagine it could be mid August.


For anyone thinking of moving to 3, on a smartphone plan, be aware, they are charging 15c/min for voicemail-this will not come out of your inclusive bundle.

Pittens

iPhone 4 ftw.

Hogzy

Seeing that everyone here says the Desire is better (I have one and it is good) but have any of you actually used an iphone4 yet for comparison?

Pittens

The thing is the Android is for geeks. For instance.

desire all the way and since Android is Open Source you can find unofficial cooked 2.2 froyo updates loads of better stuff than iPhone anyway...

While plugging into iTunes will get you the latest iOS ( 4.0.1 at the moment but probably different if you are reading this in a few weeks) on most iPhone and iPod Touche devices.

Not for Mom. Not for Dad. Not really for anybody except the old style unix heads.

Which is why Android will die.

cullenswood

cojomo2 wrote: »

was never there in the first place! I'd imagine it could be mid August.


For anyone thinking of moving to 3, on a smartphone plan, be aware, they are charging 15c/min for voicemail-this will not come out of your inclusive bundle.

Anyone any idea when it will become available with three then!
That is ****e about voicemail. Will we be able to get around this by just putting 5 in front of the number?

cojomo2

Hogzy wrote: »

Seeing that everyone here says the Desire is better (I have one and it is good) but have any of you actually used an iphone4 yet for comparison?

Yes. I had the 3g, then the 3gs, then the 4. Loved the 3 and the 3g, got rid of the 4 after a couple of weeks. The signal problem is a real issue no matter how much it is played down. At home, on the 3g /3gs I never had a dropped call, coverage wasn't great but good enough.

With the 4, give it the death grip and it would go to 'no service'. This isn't a problem in areas with good coverage though. That was the main issue I had with it, I also didn't like the feel of it, felt very awkward in the hand.

When I got it, my mate, who has a 3gs wondered how it compared speed wise, so we loaded up pages over wifi- the 3gs was faster every time. We both loaded up the speedtest app, for whatever reason, his could register a higher speed(on the same wifi network) every time.

I concluded that the iph4 was no faster, had a weaker signal, and was more uncomfortable to hold. The only advantage I could see was the better screen and camera.

Decided I didn't want to go back to a 3gs as it was just too familiar, went for the Desire thinking I was taking a bit of a risk, thought if I didn't like it I would go back to a 3gs.

I love it, no regrets.

Pittens

YOu got an iPhone 4 to sell then?

cojomo2

Pittens wrote: »

YOu got an iPhone 4 to sell then?

Sold already.

evolutionqy7

Pittens wrote: »

The thing is the Android is for geeks. For instance.



While plugging into iTunes will get you the latest iOS ( 4.0.1 at the moment but probably different if you are reading this in a few weeks) on most iPhone and iPod Touche devices.

Not for Mom. Not for Dad. Not really for anybody except the old style unix heads.

Which is why Android will die.

Hardly now!!! you don't even have a clue what your talking about clearly u have never used any other platform beside Nokia and iPhone and you don't know whats Android like and how more stuff you can do with it...

Rather than having a few slide screens on the iPhone to slide through...Go to the app market... Mmm go play flash games online... Oh wait you cant do that

Same thing can be done by jail breaking the iPhone but you still will be able to do sweet feck all even if its jailbreaked...

Btw for android you don't need to plug it in anywhere...it can update itself over the wifi!

beat that crapple

partyatmygaff

Pittens wrote: »

The thing is the Android is for geeks. For instance.



While plugging into iTunes will get you the latest iOS ( 4.0.1 at the moment but probably different if you are reading this in a few weeks) on most iPhone and iPod Touche devices.

Not for Mom. Not for Dad. Not really for anybody except the old style unix heads.

Which is why Android will die.

Bitter that no one likes the iPhone? Android is for everyone, rich and poor, techy and non techy. You're quite honestly the biggest Apple fanboy on boards.

Hogzy

Pittens wrote: »

The thing is the Android is for geeks. For instance.

You mean people who understand technology and know that android is better, and dont buy in to apple's marketing genius (it is genius, look how many people believe every word out of Steve Jobs mouth)

While plugging into iTunes will get you the latest iOS ( 4.0.1 at the moment but probably different if you are reading this in a few weeks) on most iPhone and iPod Touche devices.
Not for Mom. Not for Dad. Not really for anybody except the old style unix heads.

So you buy your phone because old folks can use it? All you have to do with android is click update, which IMO is alot easier for a technoretard to do than be able to use a PC, open itunes, open an itunes account and plug in their phone.
Android is easier. You click update. and tbh old folks who cant use technology wont be using an android or iphone. Simple as.

Which is why Android will die.

Android is most certainly not going to die. Once android is released on a tablet that is any bit as good as the ipad (which isnt hard to do) it will grow and grow and grow (even more so than it is at the moment)

To the OP:
Wait for 2.2, What can the iphone do that android cant? besides make your wallet lighter of course.;)
Android phones are cheaper, ALOT cheaper and offer all the same things the iphone does but more. Like tethering and wifi hotspots, full customization (If dont want customisation just leave it the way it is because it works perfectly anyway), most android phones can have their memory cards upgraded, same functionality as a jailbroken iphone however your warranty with an android phone is intact.

The only thing an iphone has that android phones do not have is a gyroscope. But i guarantee the next batch of android phones will have gyroscopes.

partyatmygaff

Pittens wrote: »

The thing is the Android is for geeks. For instance.



While plugging into iTunes will get you the latest iOS ( 4.0.1 at the moment but probably different if you are reading this in a few weeks) on most iPhone and iPod Touche devices.

Not for Mom. Not for Dad. Not really for anybody except the old style unix heads.

Which is why Android will die.

This post is gold. So many misconceptions


Installing an unofficial cooked ROM is the equivalent of jailbreaking your iPhone and then putting on a beta OS. If you stay stock you don't need even need to plug in your phone to some convulted, overly complicated bloated piece of software to get software updates. The moment you connect your phone to WiFi you get an OTA update to the latest version. No cables and most importantly of all no host software. The beauty of Android is that it can be as simple or as complex as you'd like it to be.

And just FYI, iOS is as unix-like as Android. Both are ultimately based on UNIX. And I don't see how unix systems are "old style", last I checked nearly every new portable media device being released are Linux based. You seem to be under the impression that we need to type in Linux commands to play flash video or something


The only time I EVER see any of Android's linux roots is when i'm doing something crazy with the phone like installing Ubuntu on it or editing something low-level like the camera drivers. Not exactly day-to-day use as any reasonable person would think.

Johnny Storm

I am deffo NOT an Apple fanbhoy but just to offer another perspective:
The missus has a HTC Hero. Neither of us have ever had an Apple phone.
She has found quite a few problems doing fairly basic things with her Hero. Connecting to her car's Bluetooth has been particularly frustrating. She finds the OS is IMHO not particularly intuitive or easy to use.
Many of the issues are intermittent which actually makes it more frustrating.
Sorry to say it but IMHO there is an element of geekiness required to get good use out of this phone.

partyatmygaff

Johnny Storm wrote: »

I am deffo NOT an Apple fanbhoy but just to offer another perspective:
The missus has a HTC Hero. Neither of us have ever had an Apple phone.
She has found quite a few problems doing fairly basic things with her Hero. Connecting to her car's Bluetooth has been particularly frustrating. She finds the OS is IMHO not particularly intuitive or easy to use.
Many of the issues are intermittent which actually makes it more frustrating.
Sorry to say it but IMHO there is an element of geekiness required to get good use out of this phone.

Has she updated to Android 2.1? Nearly every single one of the problems you mentioned have been solved by that.

Hogzy

Johnny Storm wrote: »

I am deffo NOT an Apple fanbhoy but just to offer another perspective:
The missus has a HTC Hero. Neither of us have ever had an Apple phone.
She has found quite a few problems doing fairly basic things with her Hero. Connecting to her car's Bluetooth has been particularly frustrating. She finds the OS is IMHO not particularly intuitive or easy to use.
Many of the issues are intermittent which actually makes it more frustrating.
Sorry to say it but IMHO there is an element of geekiness required to get good use out of this phone.

Sounds to me like she hasnt clicked the update button.:cool::pac:

Johnny Storm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Has she updated to Android 2.1? Nearly every single one of the problems you mentioned have been solved by that.

Yes. Sorry to say that 2.1 made the Bluetooth worse.

partyatmygaff

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Yes. Sorry to say that 2.1 made the Bluetooth worse.

Must be a hardware issue then by the sounds of it. My Desire on 2.1 and 2.2 had no similar issues with bluetooth.

evolutionqy7

hmmm add a bt on/off widget to the home screen for bt to connect in car? idk mine connects auto if its on as soon as i turn on the car...

on the menus being hard? i don't find the menu hard nor does thousands of android users.

your missus is 1 in 100

get her a cheap nokia their easy

Hogzy

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Yes. Sorry to say that 2.1 made the Bluetooth worse.

Strange.
Could be the phone. I have no bluetooth issues on my HTC desire. What car kit is she using?
I remember i had really bad trouble using a nokia phone on a sony ericsson car kit.

cojomo2

My missus has a Hero, I couldn't live with it TBH, the Desire is in a different league altogether..

Johnny Storm

Hogzy wrote: »

What car kit is she using?

It's the one that's factory fitted in a 2004 BMW.
All other phones shes had worked with this car (Nokias AFAICR)

...get her a cheap nokia their easy

That's her line of thought too. Or maybe even and I genuinely hate to say it an iPhone?

Anyway the original point I was making is that Android phones do need a bit of geek

Edit: I'm saying this to provide info to the OP not to annoy Android fans.

evolutionqy7

define what part of using the android is requires one to be geeky?

tbh other ppl say iPhone is easy to use...i disagree...i used Nokia, WinMo (current), Android (in testing), blackberry, SE, samsung, iPhone

tbh the far hardest UI's for me were Blackberry and iPhone...

whats best about android u can make it the way you want it...same goes for winmo...

where as you have to hold and use the iPhone the way steve "blow" jobs tells ya to feck that

I Use Windows MObile on my HTC HD2...i can run android too...i can customize both win mo and android to ballz and change it completely from what comes as stock...

can u do that with iPhone? can u make ur UI the way you want it? mmm no

and really the android handset can be customized out of the boxed without any mods...easy as 1.2.3

SteM

cullenswood wrote: »

Anyone any idea when it will become available with three then!
That is ****e about voicemail. Will we be able to get around this by just putting 5 in front of the number?

Three don't know when it'll be on Three! They've been promising it for months now. It's been 'Coming Soon' on their website since April or something.

Hogzy

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

define what part of using the android is requires one to be geeky?

Getting the most out of 2.1 requires you to root it, which fair enough does require tech know how!!

The reason alot of android stuff seems techy is because the OS is completely open, where as the iphone's OS is completely closed. IF you use an android phone out of the box it does all the same stuff an iphone does for half the money.

evolutionqy7

Hogzy wrote: »

Getting the most out of 2.1 requires you to root it, which fair enough does require tech know how!!

The reason alot of android stuff seems techy is because the OS is completely open, where as the iphone's OS is completely closed. IF you use an android phone out of the box it does all the same stuff an iphone does for half the money.

you dont need it to root it...theres loads of apps on the app store to do certain customizations

Hogzy

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

you dont need it to root it...theres loads of apps on the app store to do certain customizations

Like tethering and Apps2Sd?

I dont think so.

SteM

BTW, I think it's unfair to compare 'Iphone 4G' to Android2.2.

Really you should compare the HTC Desire running 2.2 with an iphone 4. The Desire is a top of the range model running android and is the fairest comparison to an iphone 4.

Anything that doesn't have to interface with itunes is a winner imo. I've never come across a more poorly designed piece of software by a major manufacturer.

evolutionqy7

Hogzy wrote: »

Like tethering and Apps2Sd?

I dont think so.

well that was a fail i agree but 2.2 is gonna be carried out on HTC devices during next week as an official update so no worries

Hogzy

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

well that was a fail i agree but 2.2 is gonna be carried out on HTC devices during next week as an official update so no worries

yup which is why im pressing update on my desire every 2 seconds

evolutionqy7

Hogzy wrote: »

yup which is why im pressing update on my desire every 2 seconds

i wouldn't bother...as usual Ireland will get every update last...so a month down the line from every single HTC phone will get it in America...dont think we will...

i do wonder are the new desires with their super lcd's are already 2.2 or still 2.1?

Hogzy

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

i wouldn't bother...as usual Ireland will get every update last...so a month down the line from every single HTC phone will get it in America...dont think we will...

i do wonder are the new desires with their super lcd's are already 2.2 or still 2.1?

Id say they will be released all over Europe at the same time. This weekend they are rolling it out to unlocked phones. So meteor is safe because they are unlocked.

evolutionqy7

guess im the geek that already has the 2.2 already

actually suppose all will be getting the 2.2 so

Froyo

Hogzy

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

guess im the geek that already has the 2.2 already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

evolutionqy7

Hogzy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

im not that bad all i had to do is download rooted desire rom put it on my sd card and run it

101001

I too am looking for an upgrade... I have been considering the iphone (I hate apple) and this hurts. I would prefer to ge an android phone but which is the best?

Ive been lookinh at the HTC models but which is the most powerful of these, desire, hero etc... is there new versions coming out... are their other phone makers making better android based phones

partyatmygaff

101001 wrote: »

I too am looking for an upgrade... I have been considering the iphone (I hate apple) and this hurts. I would prefer to ge an android phone but which is the best?

Ive been lookinh at the HTC models but which is the most powerful of these, desire, hero etc... is there new versions coming out... are their other phone makers making better android based phones

Overall best is the HTC Desire. The Samsung Galaxy S has a slightly better GPU but lacks quite a lot like camera Flash, software support, a developer community and the build quality is laughable and feel of the phone isn't as nice as the Desire.

evolutionqy7

u think of HD2? still is the leading HTC Phone in Europe...you can Dual Boot Android...Possibly run it from internal once nand is finished.

101001

Cheers for that... the research was leading me towards the desire. I hadnt heard of the HD2... I have now, Im thinking of doing the unthinkable (for me anyway) and get bill bay to get a cheap phone... either that or go to asia again.

Are we saying that HTC is the way to go? Oh one think I haveny been able to find out, what are the video resolution sizes?

are their updates to the phones or newer ones coming soon

silvine

I 'm considering an iphone or an android phone too. I'm drawn towards the iphone for the apps and because I have a mac. I like the idea of newspaper apps, drop box, evernote and so on. I use iTunes anyway so I don't see it as convuluted. It seems like it'd make more sense to get the iphone, the only thing putting me off is I've heard good things about Android and I don't like the idea of an eighteen month contract.

cojomo2

silvine wrote: »

I 'm considering an iphone or an android phone too. I'm drawn towards the iphone for the apps and because I have a mac. I like the idea of newspaper apps, drop box, evernote and so on. I use iTunes anyway so I don't see it as convuluted. It seems like it'd make more sense to get the iphone, the only thing putting me off is I've heard good things about Android and I don't like the idea of an eighteen month contract.

All available on Android Marketplace.:)

evolutionqy7

101001 wrote: »

Cheers for that... the research was leading me towards the desire. I hadnt heard of the HD2... I have now, Im thinking of doing the unthinkable (for me anyway) and get bill bay to get a cheap phone... either that or go to asia again.

Are we saying that HTC is the way to go? Oh one think I havent been able to find out, what are the video resolution sizes?

are their updates to the phones or newer ones coming soon

not sure which ones but most android devices will be able to record 720p videos with 2.2 update...i can record 720p videos on hd2 android but not WinMo lmao