Marking Card in Open Singles

super_freddie

Hi,

Got my handicap there recently and supposed to be playing open singles stableford at the weekend so just wanted to check up on protocol / procedure.

If I'm playing in (for example) a 3-ball and am marking somebody else's card, I mark their strokeplay score after each hole, fair enough. But do I mark their stableford points for each hole as well or do I just give the card back to them after the round with the strokeplay shots for each hole and let them do their own stableford points for each hole and total?

Thanks in advance for the reply,
super_freddie.

Ryan T

Mark their stroke score for each hole and as you do convert it to points. It does not take a second and is appreciated by the player whose card you are marking as they don't have to convert all their scores at the end of the round.

Sort of a good manners if you like although there is no rule that states you must record their points. Only their strokes should be recorded after each hole.

Enjoy your first competitive round

GreeBo

Its also useful to put a small mark next to each hole they have a shot (or dont have a shot, or have 2, depending on their handicap)

I find this helps me remember to not score them against my own handicap.

L.O.F.T

Also on completing your round the card is entered on the clubs system by you and your competitor so any errors will be spotted on the card in relation to inaccuracies when converting shots to stableford points. Never be afraid to ask for help from your playing partners in relation to how it works too as 99% will be more than happy to get you through the early days of competing at your club, enjoy your golf and dont forget to sign your card and your playing partners after your round, its such a simple mistake thats made up and down the country every week.

PhilipMarlowe

Exactly. The strokes is the only thing you're responsible for... fill it out after each hole and do up the points as you go along too unless you are unsure. Mention to them that you are new to competitions and there won't be any worries at all.

super_freddie

Thanks guys ... the tips are much appreciated!!

super_freddie.

LittleLiam

Any thoughts on people who sign their card before the round? (so as not to forget to do it afterwards).

I take it they're not breaking any rules in doing so, but could it be considered bad etiquette?

JCDUB

LittleLiam wrote: »

Any thoughts on people who sign their card before the round? (so as not to forget to do it afterwards).

I take it they're not breaking any rules in doing so, but could it be considered bad etiquette?

Anyone who is incapable of remembering to sign a card after adding up scores etc and filling out the card is not playing with the full deck.

It's pretty simple, your card should always be signed, dated and have the competition (eg singles strokes) written on it.

Anyone who forgets this deserves to be d/q'ed.

BUACHAILL

JCDUB wrote: »

Anyone who is incapable of remembering to sign a card after adding up scores etc and filling out the card is not playing with the full deck.

It's pretty simple, your card should always be signed, dated and have the competition (eg singles strokes) written on it.

Anyone who forgets this deserves to be d/q'ed.

Fully agree with that and its the easiest thing in the world !!
That said I have forgotten to sign it before but then again i'm a little mad ha ha:eek:

derra

Mark your own score as well on the card, even on the side of the card if not player B box etc seeing it's your first card in competition and might confuse ya totting up the points looking at two scores.

Alot of people do this to keep an eye on their own scores rather than asking your playing partner who is marking and in case there is any dispute at the end in score total.

Know what ball they are hitting ,if any markings on it .....can get the odd one finishing a hole with diferent ball after saying they miraculously found it after being in the jungle.

Really ya should keep an eye on their shots till holing out which is obvious but ya will develop the habit of just asking ''what ya get there ?'' and just mark it down, replay their hole in your mind before marking and if your without doubt they told you wrong score ,dispute it, but be sure !!!
It's all about honesty but mistakes can be made.

Enjoy it.

PhilipMarlowe

JCDUB wrote: »

Anyone who is incapable of remembering to sign a card after adding up scores etc and filling out the card is not playing with the full deck.

It's pretty simple, your card should always be signed, dated and have the competition (eg singles strokes) written on it.

Anyone who forgets this deserves to be d/q'ed.

There was an open competition on at my club recently with 18 disqualifications for scorecard issues. 18!
15 visitors and 3 members. Various things like no date, no handicap etc.

If the committee gives you a card then it should have your name and the date on it but you can also be asked to do that yourself (bless, it's a tough job after all). We have an example of a correctly filled out scorecard on the notice board along with a notice saying that any card not filled out correctly will be disqualified.
One of those disqualified missed out on 1st nett and still got cut 1.5 and at least he manned up to his mistake and took it on the chin... lesson learned the hard way.
Granted some of the others hadn't a score so maybe they were just careless but it's a good habit to get into... fill out the card properly - name, handicap, competition name, date, check it, sign it.

BUACHAILL

Licksy wrote: »

There was an open competition on at my club recently with 18 disqualifications for scorecard issues. 18!
15 visitors and 3 members. Various things like no date, no handicap etc.

If the committee gives you a card then it should have your name and the date on it but you can also be asked to do that yourself (bless, it's a tough job after all). We have an example of a correctly filled out scorecard on the notice board along with a notice saying that any card not filled out correctly will be disqualified.
One of those disqualified missed out on 1st nett and still got cut 1.5 and at least he manned up to his mistake and took it on the chin... lesson learned the hard way.
Granted some of the others hadn't a score so maybe they were just careless but it's a good habit to get into... fill out the card properly - name, handicap, competition name, date, check it, sign it.

I have heard of people purely not signing their card so as to be dsq and not get .1 back. That stuff bugs the **** out of me. just dont see the sense in fooling yourself. you will be cut but you do not get .1 back which I think should change

L.O.F.T

JCDUB wrote: »

Anyone who is incapable of remembering to sign a card after adding up scores etc and filling out the card is not playing with the full deck.

This incident sticks in my mind, and he was on a canter at the time to win the event:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2000/0514/golf.html

JCDUB

L.O.F.T wrote: »

This incident sticks in my mind, and he was on a canter at the time to win the event:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2000/0514/golf.html

I know, unbelievable.

Whatever about you or me playing an amateur round but it's his JOB for jaysus sake!

On that note, I wonder did the caddy get a bollocking for that one or did Podger accept responsibility on his own?

I presume he takes it on the chin as the caddy usually isn't in the scoring hut when the players hand in their card?

Osgoodisgood

Licksy wrote: »

There was an open competition on at my club recently with 18 disqualifications for scorecard issues. 18!
15 visitors and 3 members. Various things like no date, no handicap etc.

Please tell me that players (visitors in particular) weren't disqualified because they forgot to write the date on their card?

LittleLiam

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

Please tell me that players (visitors in particular) weren't disqualified because they forgot to write the date on their card?

I hope they were - scorecard is incomplete otherwise.

Osgoodisgood

LittleLiam wrote: »

I hope they were - scorecard is incomplete otherwise.

As is my withdrawl slip at the bank if I leave the date off. The difference is they just point out my oversight and we get on with things like grown ups.

LittleLiam

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

As is my withdrawl slip at the bank if I leave the date off. The difference is they just point out my oversight and we get on with things like grown ups.

Bad times if you need your hand held at all times.

GreeBo

LittleLiam wrote: »

I hope they were - scorecard is incomplete otherwise.

Wrong.
33-5

In stroke play, the Committee must provide each competitor with a score card containing the date and the competitor’s name or, in foursome or four-ball stroke play, the competitors’ names.
In stroke play, the Committee is responsible for the addition of scores and application of the handicap recorded on the score card.

The player is not responsible for the date, names, competition etc.
Just the gross scores and their signature.

PhilipMarlowe

GreeBo, read the note to that rule at the bottom. Committee can ask the player to do it themselves (name and date) which makes perfect sense because you're not always going to have a committee member there to hand-hold.

GreeBo

Licksy wrote: »

GreeBo, read the note to that rule at the bottom. Committee can ask the player to do it themselves (name and date) which makes perfect sense because you're not always going to have a committee member there to hand-hold.

True, but check out FAQ #2 for 33-5, "player cannot be required to do so."

"As it is ultimately the committees responsibility, the player cannot be penalized for failing to do so"

Gophur

7-up


There are seven items which must be on a score-card for it to be valid.

1. Player name
2. Handicap
3. Competition
4. Date
5. Strokes/shots (not the stableford points)
6. Marker's signature
7. Player's signature


So, remember 7-up, the 7 things that are required.

As was pointed out, a committee can introduce other rules to determine a player's eligibility, e.g. they can insist you must enter your details on the computer, before the round and enter your score on completion, otherwise you can be disqualified.

I think some people would like the committee to go out and hit the ball for them!)

LittleLiam

Mod-fight!? Come on now gents, lets keep things civil.

Osgoodisgood

LittleLiam wrote: »

Bad times if you need your hand held at all times.

I don't. Nor do I need a mealy mouthed committee member waving his little rule book around when more sensible solutions are to be found in The Big Bumper Book of Common Sense.

What difference does it make if someone forgets to write in the date? Are you worried that the card might get confused with last week's cards? Does the punishment fit the crime? Is it appropriate for visitors (most of whom have never entered a date on a card for reasons that have been indicated in the last few posts) to be treated in such a manner?

I have served on many committees at my club over many years and would be embarrassed if we behaved in such a way.

LittleLiam

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

I don't. Nor do I need a mealy mouthed committee member waving his little rule book around when more sensible solutions are to be found in The Big Bumper Book of Common Sense.

What difference does it make if someone forgets to write in the date? Are you worried that the card might get confused with last week's cards? Does the punishment fit the crime? Is it appropriate for visitors (most of whom have never entered a date on a card for reasons that have been indicated in the last few posts) to be treated in such a manner?

I have served on many committees at my club over many years and would be embarrassed if we behaved in such a way.

Sounds like sloppy committing to me. Perhaps explains why its 'served' and not 'serving'.

BUACHAILL

LittleLiam wrote: »

Sounds like sloppy committing to me. Perhaps explains why its 'served' and not 'serving'.

why do you insist on winding people up ? you need to get a grip !!

Osgoodisgood

LittleLiam wrote: »

Sounds like sloppy committing to me. Perhaps explains why its 'served' and not 'serving'.

Yikes! What am I doing?

Don't feed the troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

thoscon

so whats the story is no date on the card a disqualification ?
played rathcore today and had 40 pts but never filled out the date

GorHugh

thoscon wrote: »

so whats the story is no date on the card a disqualification ?
played rathcore today and had 40 pts but never filled out the date

A for Fooks sake , i'm meant to be playing you for money on Sunday in the Slieve Russell , Better get to the Range 2moro ....lol

thoscon

GorHugh wrote: »

A for Fooks sake , i'm meant to be playing you for money on Sunday in the Slieve Russell , Better get to the Range 2moro ....lol

no need after the way u played monday:D

BUACHAILL

GorHugh wrote: »

A for Fooks sake , i'm meant to be playing you for money on Sunday in the Slieve Russell , Better get to the Range 2moro ....lol

its ok you will be fine, he wont fill in his card right anyway and you can pull him up on it if he has beaten you, you will win the money as he will be DSQD:P

thoscon

BUACHAILL wrote: »

its ok you will be fine, he wont fill in his card right anyway and you can pull him up on it if he has beaten you, you will win the money as he will be DSQD:P

only way he can beat me:D:D:D:D

GreeBo

thoscon wrote: »

so whats the story is no date on the card a disqualification ?
played rathcore today and had 40 pts but never filled out the date

As long as it has his handicap, correct gross score and signatures then the player has done their part.