Tipperary v Waterford - All Ireland Semi Final 2010

tom thum

thoughts about this game and predictions? ive given up predicting. i think all form goes out the window at this stage.

starlit

waterford think they have it to win it!

Le King

I'm unsure. I think if Tipp cut out the mistakes we could win it fairly comfortably. But a lot of work needs to be done with a lot of the disappearing acts in the backs today.

Either team won't be afraid of each other at all. Form goes out the window here though.

My prediction: Tipp by 2 points.

ShamoBuc

Could be a cracker, Tipp should win it bt 2 or 3 points.

tom thum

Le King wrote: »

But a lot of work needs to be done with a lot of the disappearing acts in the backs today.

im would tend to agree with you there alright. alot of sloppy ball was given away in the box and id go as far as to say all the galway goals were scored through bad tipp mistakes.

Patsy fyre

Tipp have the better players and definately have the better young players but tipp are terrible at catching ball and will likely be dominated by waterford in this area!

deise go deo

Tipp bet Galway because they let in 2 soft goals, Tipp will have a much harder time against Waterford, Clinton Hennessy is probabily one of the best Keepers in the game and Tony Brown is on great form.

tonc76

After yesterdays game I fancy Waterford to win. Tipp played the better hurling yesterday but couldn't pull away from Galway which must be a worry for them. I expect Waterford's half back line to dominate and set up play for the inside forward line. Waterford's half forward line have struggled to win ball all year though so will need to improve massively for this game.

Waterford by 3 points.

PS Déise Abú

tom thum

deise go deo wrote: »

Tipp bet Galway because they let in 2 soft goals, Tipp will have a much harder time against Waterford, Clinton Hennessy is probabily one of the best Keepers in the game and Tony Brown is on great form.

tipp gifted galway all three of their goals. and CH and TB are only 2 players.

Daysha

This game will be won and lost in 3 positions. Murphy vs Corbett, Connors vs McGrath and Lawlor vs Kelly, aka how well our improving FB line handles one of the best FF lines in the country. We should have the beating of Tipp in our half-back line so we can make life extremely difficult for them if our full-back line keeps the composure they showed against Cork. I'm confident Mullane and Kelly will be able to pick away the scores as usual for us so if we can limit Tipp scores from play like we did in the Munster final we have a fanastic chance of winning.

We have a good record against Tipp, we have an even better record against them in Croker. Ok they caught us on the hop in the Munster final last year but 2 if not 3 of Tipps goals came from absolutely diabolical FB play. But with Murphy another year more experienced, Connors another year improved and Prendergast out where he should be on the wing I don't expect the same kind of kamikaze defending.

As for the lineup I'd be happy to see the same 15 that started the Cork replay. S.Prender was the only disappointment in the forward line but I'd give him another chance. Maurice is in with a shout but I wouldn't want to see Ken or Dan from the off, while it'd be a bit much to start Brian O'Halloran for the first time in such a big game despite his nice little cameo last week.

deisedude

I was at the match yesterday. One thing that really struck me is that Tipperary are now into the semi finals and are still unsure of what there best midfield and half forward line combination is. It could backfire if they pick wrong next time out. I think our half backs should outfield the Tipp half forwards but i would worry when they run at our defence. If Waterford crowd the defence i would hope the space Tipp were presented yesterday with wont be an issue. The Tipp full forward line is obviously their most potent and as Daysha said how our full back line responds to their challenge could be the winning and losing of the game. If the game breaks out in to a shootout Tipp will win, if its a tight low scoring game i'd fancy Waterford to prevail

existential

Tipp need a bit more from Noel McGrath if they are going to get past Waterford. There was really nothing between Galway and Tipp and fortunately for Tipp they found themselves 1 point up when the ref blew the whistle. Waterford have beaten Tipp already and they could well do it again unless Tipp can produce their highs of last August/September. Hard one to call, hope we get another cracker like Tipp/Galway though.

tom thum

anyone else have any thoghts about this match or any predictions. the one sure thing is that the gaa will be a winner. a mate told me it was 30 euro for a restricted view ticket in croker last sunday

deisedude

tom thum wrote: »

anyone else have any thoghts about this match or any predictions. the one sure thing is that the gaa will be a winner. a mate told me it was 30 euro for a restricted view ticket in croker last sunday

Me and my father were in Dublin Sunday and said we would go along to Croke Park and get Hill tickets so we could watch Waterford minors mainly only to find out the Hill wasnt open so then had to stump up €35 each. I thought the idea of keeping the Hill was so that fans had a cheap alternative to stand tickets. The GAA are doing their level best to piss off fans with their pricing policy

tom thum

deisedude wrote: »

Me and my father were in Dublin Sunday and said we would go along to Croke Park and get Hill tickets so we could watch Waterford minors mainly only to find out the Hill wasnt open so then had to stump up €35 each. I thought the idea of keeping the Hill was so that fans had a cheap alternative to stand tickets. The GAA are doing their level best to piss off fans with their pricing policy

jaysus. thats bad alright

existential

deisedude wrote: »

Me and my father were in Dublin Sunday and said we would go along to Croke Park and get Hill tickets so we could watch Waterford minors mainly only to find out the Hill wasnt open so then had to stump up €35 each. I thought the idea of keeping the Hill was so that fans had a cheap alternative to stand tickets. The GAA are doing their level best to piss off fans with their pricing policy

Quarter Finals are always €35. I do believe in these recessionary times theres an argument for knocking a tenner or at least a fiver off to help out hard pressed fans. They only got 28K at last Sundays game, probably would have been more if they reduced the prices a bit.

Limestone1

existential wrote: »

Quarter Finals are always €35. I do believe in these recessionary times theres an argument for knocking a tenner or at least a fiver off to help out hard pressed fans. They only got 28K at last Sundays game, probably would have been more if they reduced the prices a bit.

56 Thousand for the Semi in 2008 - I reckon a bit of a drop this time round.

thesultan

I would start O'Hallaran. Playing well and if he can score in a Munster final no reason why he can't in a All Ireland semi

deisedevil

Hennessy

Murphy,Lawlor,Connors

Browne,M.Walsh,D.Prendergast

Sullivan,Foley

Moran,Molumphy,Kelly

E.McGrath,Mullane,S.Walsh

I hope Waterford start with this anyways.

MickShamrock

Waterford for me.

chinguetti

Sure Waterford won't keep it pucked out to Tipp according to the Tipp fans i was talking to on Sunday coming out of the match. I couldn't believe the lack of reality that Galway nearly had them.

Seriously though Waterford will be roaring underdogs and anything after Munster will be a bonus. The bunching game mightn't work on a big pitch like Croker but at least with Davy, they're be a plan. Waterford need more forwards than Mullane scoring and the full back line to have a stormer. Do that and they've a great chance.

tom thum

chinguetti wrote: »

Seriously though Waterford will be roaring underdogs and anything after Munster will be a bonus.

hi. can you please explain the reasoning behind this statement??? id love to hear it?

deisedude

tom thum wrote: »

hi. can you please explain the reasoning behind this statement??? id love to hear it?

Going on what i've heard in the media we might as well not turn up:rolleyes:

tom thum

ive looked at the betting and i cant believe tipp are slight favourites. even though they are shipping goals and waterford are munster champions. weird how the betting goes.

flahavaj

deisedude wrote: »

Going on what i've heard in the media we might as well not turn up:rolleyes:

I love it, suits us far better tbh.

deisedude

flahavaj wrote: »

I love it, suits us far better tbh.

Undoubtedly it does. We tend to lose games when we went in as raging favourites

ROSSKI

Did anyone hear of a current tipp star passing away this evening or is it bulls**t?

Please god it is the latter

UpTheSlashers

Cant wait for this, Tipp seem to be building game by game, Im not too worried that we dont have a steady line-up yet, well be ready for September if we get past Waterford.

ROSSKI wrote: »

Did anyone hear of a current tipp star passing away this evening or is it bulls**t?

Please god it is the latter

Any source? BS I'd say.

tom thum

ROSSKI wrote: »

Did anyone hear of a current tipp star passing away this evening or is it bulls**t?

Please god it is the latter

where did you hear that news rosski. i really hope ur wrong.

chinguetti

In response to tom thum, the reasons why Waterford will be underdogs by a wide margin is as follows:

Cork will be beaten by KK, the margin is the only question i feel as Cork are a limited side playing a one track game plan (badly) and Waterford took two goes to beat them. Therefore WD won a poor Munster final and the KK v Cork is the week before the WD v Tipp match. Revisionist hurling is what will happen.

The media will say that Tipp weren't fired up for Cork that day to explain how Cork beat them. Expect a story that Tipp did a 2 hour mad session on the previous Thursday night appearing in some paper or on the internet.

Also the media (RTE in the main) have been saying that Tipp v GY was a classic last Sunday. It was not, it was a good game and no more. I was at it and can't understand why people have been raving about it as such a classic. As there have been no top quality games of hurling all year, the first one that comes along looking like a bit of quality, they fall over each other labelling it as a classic. In two weeks everyone will be calling it a brilliant match when it was littered with terrible defending for some of the goals.

Tipp fans are already dreaming of September. I spoke to 9 Tipp people on the way out and 8 of them mentioned either '2 more days out' or 'September' to me. Some were highly offended (one was foaming at me!) when i said they got lucky as GY should have put them away. Only one was a sensible person who could see that Tipp beat a Galway side that should have the match done before the last 5 minutes (they did the same mistake with WD in the QF last year).

All these factors - Cork losing to KK, the 'great' GY v Tipp match, Tipp scoring 3-16 to show their scoring forwards while WD struggle to score apart from Mullane (WD's style has changed from 2007) and the media hoping for a Tipp v KK final like last year will make Tipp roaring favourites.

Hope that answer does the trick but thats why i see Tipp as been 'roaring favourites'.

In my opinion, i would think that Tipp might just get there, they owe WD one from 2008 and feel they left an All Ireland behind last year. Waterford won Munster and after 2008 and the rebuilding and blooding of the young players, that is a good year's work. Winning an All ireland (which is all that remains for them to win this year) is beyond them i think and in a Hollywood film, it would be a great end to a decade of adventure where Waterford have enthralled with their hurling.

However we live in reality but i'ld love to be proven wrong.;)

tom thum

chinguetti wrote: »

In response to tom thum, the reasons why Waterford will be underdogs by a wide margin is as follows:

Cork will be beaten by KK, the margin is the only question i feel as Cork are a limited side playing a one track game plan (badly) and Waterford took two goes to beat them. Therefore WD won a poor Munster final and the KK v Cork is the week before the WD v Tipp match. Revisionist hurling is what will happen.

The media will say that Tipp weren't fired up for Cork that day to explain how Cork beat them. Expect a story that Tipp did a 2 hour mad session on the previous Thursday night appearing in some paper or on the internet.

Also the media (RTE in the main) have been saying that Tipp v GY was a classic last Sunday. It was not, it was a good game and no more. I was at it and can't understand why people have been raving about it as such a classic. As there have been no top quality games of hurling all year, the first one that comes along looking like a bit of quality, they fall over each other labelling it as a classic. In two weeks everyone will be calling it a brilliant match when it was littered with terrible defending for some of the goals.

Tipp fans are already dreaming of September. I spoke to 9 Tipp people on the way out and 8 of them mentioned either '2 more days out' or 'September' to me. Some were highly offended (one was foaming at me!) when i said they got lucky as GY should have put them away. Only one was a sensible person who could see that Tipp beat a Galway side that should have the match done before the last 5 minutes (they did the same mistake with WD in the QF last year).

All these factors - Cork losing to KK, the 'great' GY v Tipp match, Tipp scoring 3-16 to show their scoring forwards while WD struggle to score apart from Mullane (WD's style has changed from 2007) and the media hoping for a Tipp v KK final like last year will make Tipp roaring favourites.

Hope that answer does the trick but thats why i see Tipp as been 'roaring favourites'.

In my opinion, i would think that Tipp might just get there, they owe WD one from 2008 and feel they left an All Ireland behind last year. Waterford won Munster and after 2008 and the rebuilding and blooding of the young players, that is a good year's work. Winning an All ireland (which is all that remains for them to win this year) is beyond them i think and in a Hollywood film, it would be a great end to a decade of adventure where Waterford have enthralled with their hurling.

However we live in reality but i'ld love to be proven wrong.;)

well paddy powers are not as confident as you are about tipp!!

chinguetti

Tom, as i said in my last paragraph, i think Tipp might just win.

I wouldn't call that anything like confidence in them winning but if i'm asked who i think will win, i'ld say Tipp. They have a better set of forwards than Waterford if they fire on the day.

As for Paddy Power, he's a bookie with an opinion while i'm a person with an opinion. The only different is he's got deeper pockets than me so he can take your money on your opinion. Sadly, I have no pockets:D

ROSSKI

Thanks be to god it was bullsh**t - I live in Roscommon and mate of mine got a call from a lad fro Tipp who is obviously full of Sh*t for some reason!

Keano

I think Tipp are going to win it but won't be much in it. I'd say Tipp by 2

PatsytheNazi

Waterford play a completely different style of hurling this year than we have come to expect of them, gone is the wreckless abandon with which they played for the past ten years or so, in place they now have a very formidable defence built on work ethic and commitment. With The Brick at half back they have a linch pin which holds it altogether with dogged determination. They also now have a much stronger bench than i can remember them having ever, with impact subs like shanahan and mcgrath waiting in the wings. Tipp will be in no doubt they will get nothing easy having watched tapes of the munster finals, but they know what they have to do, i think alot will depend on the eoin kelly and eoin murphy tussle as it has in these games over the last few years, if kelly is on form and wins a couple of early balls to boost confidence murphy could be in for a tough days work. however the same could be said for mullane and which ever tipp back is charged with curtailling him.

nkay1985

Good analysis Patsy. Who do you reckon Tipp will put on Mullanne? In fairness, if he's playing to form any back in the country will have a hard time living with him but it'll be interesting all the same.

dirtyden

nkay1985 wrote: »

Good analysis Patsy. Who do you reckon Tipp will put on Mullanne? In fairness, if he's playing to form any back in the country will have a hard time living with him but it'll be interesting all the same.

Paddy Stapleton will probably pick up Mullane. Holding Mullane I dont think will be Tipp's main problem, no matter who marks him he is bound to cause some problems.

Stopping the waterford half back line dominating will be the key. I think the physical all action style of Bonner Maher or maybe Shane McGrath on Brick Walsh could be crucial. If Tipp can compete here they should win, easier said than done though. Brick Walsh on current form is surely in hurler of the year contention,

tom thum

chinguetti wrote: »

Tom, as i said in my last paragraph, i think Tipp might just win.

I wouldn't call that anything like confidence in them winning but if i'm asked who i think will win, i'ld say Tipp. They have a better set of forwards than Waterford if they fire on the day.

As for Paddy Power, he's a bookie with an opinion while i'm a person with an opinion. The only different is he's got deeper pockets than me so he can take your money on your opinion. Sadly, I have no pockets:D

you think they might just win, yet in a previous post you made them " roaring hot favourites" . strange. so are they "roaring hot favourites " or do you think tipp "might just win" ?

deisedevil

chinguetti wrote: »

Seriously though Waterford will be roaring underdogs and anything after Munster will be a bonus.

chinguetti wrote: »

In response to tom thum, the reasons why Waterford will be underdogs by a wide margin is as follows:

In my opinion, i would think that Tipp might just get there

This does not compute! tom thum is right. You can't have it both ways, Waterford "roaring underdogs" by a "wide margin" but "Tipp might just get there"

Please make some sense out of this, if you can.

chinguetti

Right, as i've been asked to clairfy - the 'roaring underdogs' and 'wide margin' will be what i believe the pundits and bookies will say bout Tipp come match weekend. However, 'in my opinion' is what i think will happen as in Tipp might just win.

Ye're right, if my earlier post was clearer (my apologises) that wouldn't have sounded like i was wanting to have it both ways. Hope that helps.

JHMEG

When Waterford get going they have a fantastic work rate from one end of the pitch to the other, whereas Tipp seem to rely on a few stars to pull them through.

I think Waterford will squeak this one.

mk6705

I think it'll be Waterford's game by two, maybe three points. Waterford seem to function as a team well lately, I believe this will give them the edge over Tipp.

Gerard.C

Tipp have the stuff to win this game, and hopefully they will give it 110% on the day. It'll be a close one though. I cant wait for it now. Tis the best part of the summer!

mk6705

Can anyone tell me what time and date this match is scheduled for?

deisedevil

Adro947 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what time and date this match is scheduled for?

August 15th. 15.30. Croke Park.

Gonna be fantastic!

Daysha

Counting down the days now. This is the 3rd year running the two sides met, we had 2009...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YKns-PEZS4

And 2008...(could only find the last few minutes for this one. But it's the best part of the match )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DODi6G1c_BI

PTH2009

Can see a repeat of the 2009 championship clash. Tipp to win by a heartbreaking 1 point.

Ricardo G

Gonna have to say Waterford for this !! One thing is certain tho this is going to be a bitter fight right down to the wire, there is nothing between these 2 teams

mysillyusername

I think its amazing how the media and some people think its a given for Tipp on Sunday...Tipp better stop thinking about revenge for last year and realise they have the munster champions to beat!!!

Hope Waterford win though

ShaneIRL

This is going to be a good match IMO with each side exchanging points in the first half but I do think one of them will hit the back of the net too. I predict a 2 point advantage to Tipp at half time which will be extended to 4 in the first 10 mins of the second half but from there I can see Waterford getting right back in it and levelling at some stage. In the end I do think that Tipp will hold out but just (possibly a 1 - 2 point win - no more). All in all I dont think it matters who wins this one because Kilkenny should have the beating of either side based on Killkennys performances Vs. both Tipperarys and Waterford.

But heres hoping for a first Tipp All-Ireland since 2001

coffeelover

Going to be very close. But i hope waterford win it in the end