Is this normal!

RealistSpy

Hello,

I get a lot of scraping with deadlift and I am left with lots of scars. Does anyone else experience these and how do you avoid it. Wearing long trowsers doesnt seem to help either :S

Why Should I

RealistSpy wrote: »

Hello,

I get a lot of scraping with deadlift and I am left with lots of scars. Does anyone else experience these and how do you avoid it. Wearing long trowsers doesnt seem to help either :S

rjp123

Scraping ? Do you mean on
your shins ? If so the bar should not be in actual contact with your shins but should stay close to them for the lift.

Bowel Cancer

Use a different bar? My bar has no knurling on the portion where my shins might hit.

RealistSpy

rjp123 wrote: »

Scraping ? Do you mean on
your shins ? If so the bar should not be in actual contact with your shins but should stay close to them for the lift.

yeh on my shin.

squod

Long GAA socks they say. Never happens to me.

Jimmy Bottlehead

This ALWAYS happened me, esp my right shin. Try leaning forward a little, keep shoulders OVER the bar (not behind it), and it may help. Don't let it mess up your form though.

Doug Cartel

Shin pads. Seriously, I'm not joking.

RealistSpy

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Shin pads. Seriously, I'm not joking.

:O Football player. I will see which is cheaper long tight socks or shin pads.

Hanley

As an alternative, tho I've never done it myself - cut up a 7up bottle and wrap that around your leg under some long socks. Thinner than a shin guard.

cardio,shoot me

it used to happen to me when i started, i cant say ive had the problem since,

BossArky

• Wear long socks (e.g. long soccer socks) and tracksuit bottoms. This dosen't fix my bruising issues 100%, but does decrease the pain a bit.
• Use shin guards (hockey, not soccer ones). Rip the padding out of the inside so that you are left with just the hard plastic. It will allow you keep the bar a bit closer to your shins. A fellow I train with uses these quite successfully.

RealistSpy

Thanks guys.

Why Should I

BossArky wrote: »

• Wear long socks (e.g. long soccer socks)

Think i covered that with my photo

curadh

Ha and I thought you were calling him a girl:P

Brian?

rjp123 wrote: »

Scraping ? Do you mean on
your shins ? If so the bar should not be in actual contact with your shins but should stay close to them for the lift.

The bar should be in contact with your shins.

Canis Lupus

Depends on how wide your stance is but the circular pad that most gyms have for squatting does a nice job of saving the shins. No crazy socks/shin pads required.

RealistSpy

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Depends on how wide your stance is but the circular pad that most gyms have for squatting does a nice job of saving the shins. No crazy socks/shin pads required.

I do the normal stance (Deadlifts and Romanian Dealifts) no sumo.

discus

The way I am taught involves having my shins inside the outer limits of the knurling. No scrapes since.

rjp123

briankeating wrote: »

The bar should be in contact with your shins.

i usually try to control the bar so that it is 'shaving' the hair on my shins (i.e as close as possible) but i don't actually scrape it up my shins. are you saying that it should actual scrape up from my shins to thighs?

Why Should I

rjp123 wrote: »

i usually try to control the bar so that it is 'shaving' the hair on my shins (i.e as close as possible) but i don't actually scrape it up my shins. are you saying that it should actual scrape up from my shins to thighs?

Thats the same way i do it. But some time i grind my knee cap.

G86

I don't scrape my legs but I do get bruises, it's pretty normal imo. Not sure how you'd prevent it without compromising your technique. Maybe just make sure you wear long trackie bottoms? To be honest it doesn't bother me really.

Hanley

rjp123 wrote: »

i usually try to control the bar so that it is 'shaving' the hair on my shins (i.e as close as possible) but i don't actually scrape it up my shins. are you saying that it should actual scrape up from my shins to thighs?

It should really be the last thing you're thinking about mid deadlift.

rjp123

Hanley wrote: »

It should really be the last thing you're thinking about mid deadlift.

what is? thinking about maintaining form throughout the lift? i would have thought thats the only thing to be thinking

RealistSpy

rjp123 wrote: »

what is? thinking about maintaining form throughout the lift? i would have thought thats the only thing to be thinking

I think he means thinking about how close the bar is to your shin. Just pull it up as close as possible.

d'Oracle

rjp123 wrote: »

what is? thinking about maintaining form throughout the lift? i would have thought thats the only thing to be thinking

Maintaining form is a lot more than making sure the bar is close enough to your shins. If it runs up your shins then you know its close, that's about as complicated as that aspect is.

FYI Hanley has the Deadlift to back anything he says about deadlifting up.

john_cappa

briankeating wrote: »

The bar should be in contact with your shins.

x 2

Chalk on your shins may help

Hanley

rjp123 wrote: »

what is? thinking about maintaining form throughout the lift? i would have thought thats the only thing to be thinking

If your idea of cues to maintain form during the deadlift involves thinking how close the bar is to your shin mid-lift, you need to reevaluate how you learned the lift.

If the bar gets away from you at any point during a heavy deadlift you're screwed. Doesn't really matter if you "feel" it getting away from your shins, because by that point it's too late and you may as well just drop it.

d'Oracle wrote: »

Maintaining form is a lot more than making sure the bar is close enough to your shins. If it runs up your shins then you know its close, that's about as complicated as that aspect is.

FYI Hanley has the Deadlift to back anything he says about deadlifting he up.

Bingo bango. And thanks :D

Transform

Hanley wrote: »

If your idea of cues to maintain form during the deadlift involves thinking how close the bar is to your shin mid-lift, you need to reevaluate how you learned the lift.

If the bar gets away from you at any point during a heavy deadlift you're screwed. Doesn't really matter if you "feel" it getting away from your shins, because by that point it's too late and you may as well just drop it.



Bingo bango. And thanks :D

it should be close and besides long socks just suck it up and know that its going to happen once in a while if you want to get really strong

rjp123

startingstrength and stronglifts both have conflicting advice on this. one says scrape the other says don't. who is right?

d'Oracle

rjp123 wrote: »

startingstrength and stronglifts both have conflicting advice on this. one says scrape the other says don't. who is right?

Starting Strength.

Rip is an experienced coach who has owned a gym since the early 80's, learned from Bill Starr (one of the most respected strength coaches in the US) , has worked with excellent PT's and sports kinesiologists and competed at powerlifting. He has worked with some of the best and thinks very much for himself. Many top strength guys disagree with some of his stuff but they all respect him.


Medhi is a blouse with no real experience who read Rips books.
Incidentally Medhi recommends Rips book "Starting Strength"

Why Should I

d'Oracle wrote: »

Starting Strength.

Rip is an experienced coach who has owned a gym since the early 80's, learned from Bill Starr (one of the most respected strength coaches in the US) , has worked with excellent PT's and sports kinesiologists and competed at powerlifting. He has worked with some of the best and thinks very much for himself. Many top strength guys disagree with some of his stuff but they all respect him.


Medhi is a blouse with no real experience who read Rips books.
Incidentally Medhi recommends Rips book "Starting Strength"

Thats regardless of the point both of them programs work.

As for the pain. Just suck it up and

d'Oracle

Why Should I wrote: »

Thats regardless of the point both of them programs work.

Actually, no it's not.
rjp123 asked which to believe on a specific point of form.
If you are looking for advice on how to do the stuff, you go with the expert.
i.e. not Medhi in this case.

In fact, whether or not the programme works is beside the point.

Why Should I

d'Oracle wrote: »

Actually, no it's not.
rjp123 asked which to believe on a specific point of form.
If you are looking for advice on how to do the stuff, you go with the expert.
i.e. not Medhi in this case.

In fact, what you just posted there is beside the point.

Not really, Experts are known to be wrong also. And beacuse Medhi is the new guy dosent mean he dosent know wtf he is talking about.

He gets a lot of stick for "ripping off SS" But the fact is, His program works. So he knows something. :rolleyes:

Anyways, Who cares.

His question has been answered.

Everything from now on is spam

G86

Seems every thread that mentions Stronglifts is turning into a Rip versus Medhi slagathon.

OP, imo just concentrate on keeping your form and getting the weight up, a new PB is worth a few scrapes is it not:D

d'Oracle

Why Should I wrote: »

Not really, Experts are known to be wrong also. And beacuse Medhi is the new guy dosent mean he dosent know wtf he is talking about.

He gets a lot of stick for "ripping off SS" But the fact is, His program works. So he knows something. :rolleyes:

So, you are saying that someone with no experiences opinion is more valid than an expert, just because the programme that he borrowed from experts works? That is basically ridiculous. Medhi is wrong because he is giving bad advice to trainees.

Linear progression works, that is why Stronglifts works.

But the bottom line is this: We aren't talking about programmes, we are talking about Deadlift form. Talking about programmes is spam, discussing the topic is not.

d'Oracle

G86 wrote: »

Seems every thread that mentions Stronglifts is turning into a Rip versus Medhi slagathon.

Its perfectly valid here.
Its not Rip vs Medhi on this point.
Its Everybody who knows how to deadlift properly vs Medhi.

Hanley

Can the mods/admin set up a work switch so every time anyone refers to "stronglifts" is just changes to "you should probably ignore me because I don't know what I'm talking about"??

Transform

G86 wrote: »

Seems every thread that mentions Stronglifts is turning into a Rip versus Medhi slagathon.

OP, imo just concentrate on keeping your form and getting the weight up, a new PB is worth a few scrapes is it not:D

totally agree and i can put money on it that all those with a double body weight deadlift have scraped and might scrape in the future, their shins.

It happens from time to time by accident just do not look for it to happen

Hanley

Transform wrote: »

totally agree and i can put money on it that all those with a double body weight deadlift have scraped and might scrape in the future, their shins.

It happens from time to time by accident just do not look for it to happen

This.

Why Should I

G86 wrote: »

Seems every thread that mentions Stronglifts is turning into a Rip versus Medhi slagathon.

OP, imo just concentrate on keeping your form and getting the weight up, a new PB is worth a few scrapes is it not:D

Indeed, Its just little fanboys!

d'Oracle wrote: »

So, you are saying that someone with no experiences opinion is more valid than an expert

Don't be stupid, And its clear thats not what i said

But the bottom line is this: We aren't talking about programmes, we are talking about Deadlift form. Talking about programmes is spam, discussing the topic is not.

You are the one who started it ( I Noticed you edit your post to cover your @ss )

Hanley wrote: »

Can the mods/admin set up a work switch so every time anyone refers to "stronglifts" is just changes to "you should probably ignore me because I don't know what I'm talking about"??

lol, Why so>?

Transform wrote: »

totally agree and i can put money on it that all those with a double body weight deadlift have scraped and might scrape in the future, their shins.

It happens from time to time by accident just do not look for it to happen

I am not far off my double body deadlift and rip my right knee cap apart every now and again.


Just to point out, I have no problem with "SS or SL" Its just the point that every time this comes up, its always the same replies from people.

TommyKnocker

Ok d'Oracle and Why Should I, enough already!!!!

You guys are dragging this thread off topic and it is turning into a slagging match.

Please let's get back on topic. And if you guys have nothing else to add on this topic, then please give it a rest.


Best Regards,

M

kevpants

I often see the people who constantly scrape as having a stance that's slightly too wide. But then my stance is very narrow.

For me shoulder width is too wide and encourages scraping. Scraping is friction and friction is resistance so if you're tearing tracks up and down your shins you're adding needless resistance.

RealistSpy

kevpants wrote: »

I often see the people who constantly scrape as having a stance that's slightly too wide. But then my stance is very narrow.

For me shoulder width is too wide and encourages scraping. Scraping is friction and friction is resistance so if you're tearing tracks up and down your shins you're adding needless resistance.

My stance is shoulder width apart and a bit narrower with romainian deadlift. Ah well I will just get me some long socks.

Transform

one thing i might add is that if you want to drive really really fast then you have got to be prepared to crash once in a while.

Show me the guy/girl that tells me they are a great driver but has never crashed before and i just know they are a fake.

Show me your scraped shins, callused hands and unfortunately at times strained muscles and maybe you are someone i want to learn from and have stuff i want to hear.