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Gong targets?
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24-07-2010 4:49pm#1
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Does anyone have any good links for DIY gong style targets?
I'm making up one at the moment with a few bits of steel plate and bar that I had around the place, but I'd like to see what other designs/ideas are around the place?
Cheers Murph.
well murph. i'v seen a few different types but i think the handiest way to do it is to bolt on 2 chains and hang them on a frame.
if you spray it white or yellow with the line marking spray that you get in a hardware store it makes it easy to see the strike.
what thickness plate are you using.
i'v bin using 6mm plate steel but the .223 penetrates that out to about 250-280m . after 300m it dings of it nicely
i was out yesterday with my .223 and .308 and i 0'd my rifles and set up my deer silhouette that i have made from that 6mm plate steel out to 350m and the .308 had no trouble passing threw.
i need thicker plate:D
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx159/poulo69/th_350m3082.jpg?t=1279994233
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx159/poulo69/th_350m308.jpg?t=1279994233
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx159/poulo69/th_350mtarget.jpg?t=1279994233
these ar some pics of my practice.
can anyone tell me how to make the pic come up on the thread
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well murph. i'v seen a few different types but i think the handiest way to do it is to bolt on 2 chains and hang them on a frame.
if you spray it white or yellow with the line marking spray that you get in a hardware store it makes it easy to see the strike.
what thickness plate are you using.
i'v bin using 6mm plate steel but the .223 penetrates that out to about 250-280m . after 300m it dings of it nicely
i was out yesterday with my .223 and .308 and i 0'd my rifles and set up my deer silhouette that i have made from that 6mm plate steel out to 350m and the .308 had no trouble passing threw.
i need thicker plate:D
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx159/poulo69/th_350m3082.jpg?t=1279994233
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx159/poulo69/th_350m308.jpg?t=1279994233
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx159/poulo69/th_350mtarget.jpg?t=1279994233
these ar some pics of my practice.
can anyone tell me how to make the pic come up on the thread
Copy the IMG code from Photobucket and paste it into your post 0 -
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Hi Poulo, thats kinda what I'm throwing together at the moment, 4 legged frame with a few links of chain onto a 11 inch round piece of 6 mil plate.
Just experimenting at the moment, surprised to hear that the .223 penetrates that thickness of plate at that distance!
Good idea on the silhouette aswell, I'll have to get a fox one made up!
Just have to make time to get out with the rifle now, done very little with it since I've got it:(
murph i have a couple of fox silhouette if you want one you can have one
cheers john i just tried that on the photo thread and it worked a treat
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murph i have a couple of fox silhouette if you want one you can have one
cheers john i just tried that on the photo thread and it worked a treat
Cheers Poulo, I'll be getting a few gongs cut out by a friend with a plasma cutter and I'll get him to do me one or two and see how he gets on!0 -
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I got one made (see photo) - the smaller swinger is made of 10mm steel plate (for .22), and the gong is made from 15mm thick 400 Brinell toughened steel (for .223). Of course I had to try to hit the swinger with .223, hence the marks 0
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A properly sharpened bit in a pillar drill running at the correct speed with plenty of coolant will easily go through 10mm mild steel, and hardened steels shouldn't be out of the question either.
Mild steel of that thickness and more can be done with a hand drill by starting with a small bit and working up to the desired size, just be careful to keep control of the drill when breaking through with the bigger bits.
Plasma and acetylene will cut much rougher holes, which probably doesn't matter too much in this application, but the acetylene torch will considerably soften the material around the hole, and 10mm plate is at the very top end of the range of most single phase plasma machines.
Ah my mates Plasma cutter is no single phase toy
He did not buy it in Lidl, 100K second hand from Germany
Can cut weights off the front of a tractor on the flat.
We may be biffo's ; but Us Bogmen are master craftsmen at machining bog machinery and the like
PM me if you need details.
He would not be expensive and may even have a bit of a digger bucket lying around.
We converted a JCB bucket to fit a teleporter and that involved serious cutting of tough steel0 -
3-phase industrial plant is a horse of an entirely different colour, all right.Tackleberrywho wrote: »Ah my mates Plasma cutter is no single phase toy 0 -
3-phase industrial plant is a horse of an entirely different colour, all right.
Tis in deedie
So never be stuck!
He'd prob laugh at fellas wanting a GONG
"sur how would tha make ya money, or be of any use on tha farm?"
At the end of the day, all one wants is a chunk of metal to go Donggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg IF hit 0 -
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what are the odds of ricochet... the area where I zero my rifles has plenth of natural back stops when shooting to a plywood cut out....River levees to a height of over 10 feet sort of and plenty of forest on the other side
I was worried about using gongs because I thought maybe that the bullet could ricochet and travel along some distance on a new trajectory ....Is the bullet destroyed on impact
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what are the odds of ricochet... the area where I zero my rifles has plenth of natural back stops when shooting to a plywood cut out....River levees to a height of over 10 feet sort of and plenty of forest on the other side
I was worried about using gongs because I thought maybe that the bullet could ricochet and travel along some distance on a new trajectory ....Is the bullet destroyed on impact
Depends on bullet BT's are the best to break up on impact0 -
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I've seem slow-mo vids of bullet impact on hard surfaces would have thought psp's would have been safer then again if hitting a flat hard surface the bullet can't go any where shooting at between 70-90deg to target..... on the other hand if shooting at a shallow angle increases chance of rebound
going to do it... got some old stanley covers that i can try or would they shatter presuming they're cast..are they?
Cast AFAIK, prob will shatter
In hind sight I can see this thread causing arguments
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Murph,
What are you shooting?
My cousin had a nice plinking target like this
Fine for smaller rounds, claimed to be fine up to 30-06, soft nose. Well, he wouldn't listen to me when I told him not to shoot the core-lokt stuff at it. Destroyed in one shot.
If you are handy with a torch, get some plate metal, weld on a bit of a hanger, spray paint orange, and setup. Nothing fancy, all you want is a bit of noise.0 -
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i think its better to drill your plate and bolt the chains on ,any ones i welded all broke at the weld even at long range with the .223 ,hitting them with a .338 didnt help either:D:D:D
how you drill 10mm plate is another story .....
ian
well placed shot with some full metal jacket 223 stuff should do the trick
making sure there is a good backstop of course0 -
Tack,
I'd be interested to see if the plasma cut plate ends up brittle on the edges, when I made the one for Thomas the plate was waterjet cut so there would be no heat, I was concerned that this may happen, I got a strip of AR400 in 15mm for the job, I did a bit of testing before making it, a swift round will almost go through 15mm mild steel at 50 mtrs, leaves a bulge in 20mm mild steel, just a large creator in EN24T and just a mark in AR400.
Wear plates in a digger bucket should have fairly similar properties, let us know how you get on Tack.
Spannerman
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Spannerman7 wrote: »Tack,
I'd be interested to see if the plasma cut plate ends up brittle on the edges, when I made the one for Thomas the plate was waterjet cut so there would be no heat, I was concerned that this may happen, I got a strip of AR400 in 15mm for the job, I did a bit of testing before making it, a swift round will almost go through 15mm mild steel at 50 mtrs, leaves a bulge in 20mm mild steel, just a large creator in EN24T and just a mark in AR400.
Wear plates in a digger bucket should have fairly similar properties, let us know how you get on Tack.
Spannerman
I will indeed, I'm off tomorrow. I'll visit a few places where I may get a piece of a bucket ior similar.
Thats project 2, I have to get my mates fox trap photographed/filmed in operation too.
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Murph,
What are you shooting?
My cousin had a nice plinking target like this
Fine for smaller rounds, claimed to be fine up to 30-06, soft nose. Well, he wouldn't listen to me when I told him not to shoot the core-lokt stuff at it. Destroyed in one shot.
If you are handy with a torch, get some plate metal, weld on a bit of a hanger, spray paint orange, and setup. Nothing fancy, all you want is a bit of noise.
Local dealers has somethin similar but i would have thought it only good for 22. Must ask him. Have my JCB bucket sorted anyway:)0 -
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landkeeper wrote: »well placed shot with some full metal jacket 223 stuff should do the trick
making sure there is a good backstop of course
you'd think so landkeeper ,,but if you look at the pic i posted you will see all the craters that were made with full metal jacket .223 rds from 200 yrds :Dtheres even a couple from a 300win mag ,
have a local welder drilling them for me so i'm sorted
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Some news on steels, I had to price a job for hardox (AR400) parts, I would cut them in the CNC Plasma, for stone rake teeth, when I asked about the Heat Effected Zone around the cut area he said it has little or no effect on the tempering, the bad news is this stuff is over €250 + Vat per sq Mtr in 12mm, its a lot less than I paid for the strip previously, as a comparison for ye as I'm sure your not all in the steel business 12mm mild steel is 96.20 per sq mtr. Just thought some of ye might like to know.
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Spannerman7 wrote: »Some news on steels, I had to price a job for hardox (AR400) parts, I would cut them in the CNC Plasma, for stone rake teeth, when I asked about the Heat Effected Zone around the cut area he said it has little or no effect on the tempering, the bad news is this stuff is over €250 + Vat per sq Mtr in 12mm, its a lot less than I paid for the strip previously, as a comparison for ye as I'm sure your not all in the steel business 12mm mild steel is 96.20 per sq mtr. Just thought some of ye might like to know.
Spannerman
I was looking at a few bits today.
A few buckets, a few pieces of ballast from a crane, various bits and pieces.
Nothing small enough to carry though
Most of it weighed a tonne pardon the pun.
Might pick it up tomorrow and go making something up. I got all the components, now all I need is the inspiration:D:D0 -
Spannerman7 wrote: »Some news on steels, I had to price a job for hardox (AR400) parts, I would cut them in the CNC Plasma, for stone rake teeth, when I asked about the Heat Effected Zone around the cut area he said it has little or no effect on the tempering, the bad news is this stuff is over €250 + Vat per sq Mtr in 12mm, its a lot less than I paid for the strip previously, as a comparison for ye as I'm sure your not all in the steel business 12mm mild steel is 96.20 per sq mtr. Just thought some of ye might like to know.
Spannerman
If enough (wishfull thinking i know) of us got together .. a meter sq could make alot of indestructable targets lol !0 -
gunhappy_ie wrote: »If enough (wishfull thinking i know) of us got together .. a meter sq could make alot of indestructable targets lol !
I'd be interested in that, depending on the usual 0 -
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gunhappy_ie wrote: »Not being funny... but it depends on how big each target is and what shape it is ! a square shape will give best results......
Get out of town, would never have guessed
How would guys feel about a 6"x6" target ???
I suppose that is the question I should have asked
Think that's around 40 targets if losses due to cutting are minimal. Lets say 35.
So at 250 plus vat for materials, plus cost of cutting it up and putting hanging holes in them. Could they come in at around 10-15 euro0 -
Get out of town, would never have guessed
I suppose that is the question I should have asked
Think that's around 40 targets if losses due to cutting are minimal. Lets say 35.
So at 250 plus vat for materials, plus cost of cutting it up and putting hanging holes in them. Could they come in at around 10-15 euro
302.50 including vat @21% ..............
Cutting and drilling wont be free unfortunatly so i can guess that it my be up to 50% more ????? still relativly cheap than getting it from a dealer.
hanging brackets can be made up cheaply if required too0 -
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I have to buy a full sheet at a time, thats 1500x2500 worth €937.50 plus Vat, there need to be about 5-8mm between cuts, a 300mm sq plate cut comes out at about €36 plus Vat, the material is 22.50 and 13 odd quid and 50 cent per pierce for the cutting service, 1200mm of cut each at 1.13 cent/mm in 12mm plate.
Needless to say it would not be viable to load and index a sheet on the table and then cut just one target, if around six lads were interested I'd do it.
You'd probably want to throw on a fiver for drilling the stuff, many lads could do it themselves, just use a quality cutting oil and go slow, I'd advise drill rather than plasma the holes, it is less likely to create a stress point.
Is this close to the bone in terms of advertising or should we conduct this through PM's. It does not bother me either way, in fact I prefer openess but I don't want to be seen doing self promotion. I like it here and don't want a ban as I'm mad into my shooting aswell.
Spannerman
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Spannerman7 wrote: »I have to buy a full sheet at a time, thats 1500x2500 worth €937.50 plus Vat, there need to be about 5-8mm between cuts, a 300mm sq plate cut comes out at about €36 plus Vat, the material is 22.50 and 13 odd quid and 50 cent per pierce for the cutting service, 1200mm of cut each at 1.13 cent/mm in 12mm plate.
Needless to say it would not be viable to load and index a sheet on the table and then cut just one target, if around six lads were interested I'd do it.
You'd probably want to throw on a fiver for drilling the stuff, many lads could do it themselves, just use a quality cutting oil and go slow, I'd advise drill rather than plasma the holes, it is less likely to create a stress point.
Is this close to the bone in terms of advertising or should we conduct this through PM's. It does not bother me either way, in fact I prefer openess but I don't want to be seen doing self promotion. I like it here and don't want a ban as I'm mad into my shooting aswell.
Spannerman
(Gordon)
cheers for your openness i would be interested in a proper gong target for 1 i'm sure there are a few others here that would be likewise,
for instance how much would a 300x300 or what ever it would work out at to allow for cutting ie 290x290 or what ever
i live in south tip and i am often down in cork so i could pick it up or even pick up a few of them if lads didnt want to drive all the way to cork if they are from up the country0 -
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »Ah my mates Plasma cutter is no single phase toy
He did not buy it in Lidl, 100K second hand from Germany
Can cut weights off the front of a tractor on the flat.
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Yeah? Well the Amada Laser cutter i use at work is bigger than your mates plasma cutter.. so there!!!
ive made a 3mm thick gong (pleasant ding on a rimmy or air rifle) out of traffo lids, i cud weld 2 or 3 sandwiched i suppose to allow for centrefires.. then again i cud make use of a scrap turbine from one of our shotblasting wheels (rectangular shape but just add a hanger to it) .. no round would ever even damage it.. only swing it!0 -
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