TNA Hard(core) Justice 2010 - Pre-PPV thread

D2D

TNA has made their Hard Justice PPV (August 8th, 2010) as an ECW themed PPV after the recent invasion of ECW wrestlers on iMPACT!

Although not officially announced by TNA, Jerry Lynn has posted on his website that he will face RVD (thanks Machismo fan)

Sun - Aug 8th - TNA Hard Justice PPV - Orlando, FL - vs RVD!

JP Liz V1

Jerry Lynn gets a world title match

Machismo Fan

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Jerry Lynn gets a world title match

It may not be a title match - Abyss is still No. 1 Contender.

JP Liz V1

Machismo Fan wrote: »

It may not be a title match - Abyss is still No. 1 Contender.

I hope not

BTW who is next in line for Angle?

Machismo Fan

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I hope not

BTW who is next in line for Angle?

Hernandez on iMPACT! tonight, then here's the rest of the rankings:

1. “The Monster” Abyss
2. Jeff Hardy
3. Mr. Anderson
4. Samoa Joe
5. Jay Lethal
6. A.J. Styles

I still see them using The Guns/Beer Money or Angle vs. Lethal or Styles to ensure that this show delivers some quality because I still question whether they have enough ECW guys to fill out a show - numbers wise they probably do but quality wise they don't, they'll need to do a few multi-man matches to conceal a few limitations.

chordtype

Even without the lineup I'm not looking forward to this. Some of the ECW guys are so old and broken down at this point that I have no desire whatsoever to see them wrestle. Although saying that RVD vs. Jerry Lynn would still seem like a pretty decent match up. I shudder to think about the other matches that they'll try to put together.

JP Liz V1

How is Abyss No. 1

Machismo Fan

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

How is Abyss No. 1

He beat Anderson, lost to Hardy and beat a few people up. Everybody knows the rankings have no credibility - they just wanted Abyss top for some storyline. The only interesting thing about the rankings is who Angle will be facing next.

paddyismaddy

so all the matches are hardcore and extreme :rolleyes:

Super-Rush

I've a feeling that this will be the final nail in TNA's coffin.

thelurcher77

if tna are to last they have to let Paul heyman take full control if the rumors are true about tna been in contact with him

starviewadams

I'd be interested in seeing Jerry Lynn vs RVD again just for nostalgia sake,wouldnt have much interest in any other of the ECW stuff tbh,it's obvious this ECW revival wont be as good as ONS '05 so whats the point in even doing it?!

Super-Rush

thelurcher77 wrote: »

if tna are to last they have to let Paul heyman take full control if the rumors are true about tna been in contact with him

Thats the problem, Heyman wants full control. Hogan and Bischoff won't stay around for long if this happens.

Furious-Red

super-rush wrote: »

Thats the problem, Heyman wants full control. Hogan and Bischoff won't stay around for long if this happens.

Maybe its better off if they dont stay around them. I would prefer if Heyman came in instead of Hogan and Bischoff especially with Hogan thinking if he appears at least once on Impact it will mean bigger ratings (obviously not since he missed last weeks and didnt make a difference)

Super-Rush

Furious-Red wrote: »

Maybe its better off if they dont stay around them. I would prefer if Heyman came in instead of Hogan and Bischoff especially with Hogan thinking if he appears at least once on Impact it will mean bigger ratings (obviously not since he missed last weeks and didnt make a difference)

I totally agree. It seems to me that Hogan and Bischoff are able to manipulate Dixie very easliy. They should have never been allowed near TNA in the first place.

Furious-Red

super-rush wrote: »

I totally agree. It seems to me that Hogan and Bischoff are able to manipulate Dixie very easliy. They should have never been allowed near TNA in the first place.

Hogan/Bischoff are clearly in TNA for themselves and the fact Hogan needs the money. Sadly Dixie will think that Hogan/Bischoff will do more then Heyman and therefore wont get rid of them

Machismo Fan

super-rush wrote: »

I've a feeling that this will be the final nail in TNA's coffin.

Really? How is doing a one-night ECW event to try and pop a buyrate and pull whatever is left out a certain market going to be the final nail in TNA's coffin? The events been officially rebranded: http://www.hardcorejustice.com/

Super-Rush

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Really? How is doing a one-night ECW event to try and pop a buyrate and pull whatever is left out a certain market going to be the final nail in TNA's coffin? The events been officially rebranded: http://www.hardcorejustice.com/

Two months before TNA's biggest ppv they decide to have a final farewell for ECW. Who does that benefit? It certainly doesn't benefit the likes of AJ Styles, Jay Lethal, MCMG, Samoa Joe(who is apparently not as good as Tazz was) or any of the TNA originals. How are they going to promote this ppv? Vince has the rights to the ECW library so no footage of ECW can be shown on tv. You hardly think that the likes of Dreamer, Rhino, Richards and Raven are going to bring in more ppv buys. Whos going to be added to the list next? Balls Mahony? I seriously doubt that any of the new names are going to make people buy this. The ones that are already there, RVD, Dudleys, Foley etc haven't been able to generate more viewers so i doubt Raven and Dreamer will.

Fitzy101

I have a feeling Lynn & RVD are going to put on a classic.

Machismo Fan

super-rush wrote: »

Two months before TNA's biggest ppv they decide to have a final farewell for ECW. Who does that benefit? It certainly doesn't benefit the likes of AJ Styles, Jay Lethal, MCMG, Samoa Joe(who is apparently not as good as Tazz was) or any of the TNA originals. How are they going to promote this ppv? Vince has the rights to the ECW library so no footage of ECW can be shown on tv. You hardly think that the likes of Dreamer, Rhino, Richards and Raven are going to bring in more ppv buys. Whos going to be added to the list next? Balls Mahony? I seriously doubt that any of the new names are going to make people buy this. The ones that are already there, RVD, Dudleys, Foley etc haven't been able to generate more viewers so i doubt Raven and Dreamer will.

TNA can promote this implicitly nearly as well as they could with rights to everything. Your use of TNA Originals is interesting - do you conveniently forget that Raven's been with TNA since early 2003. Jerry Lynn was there from the very first show. A lot of these guys have been as integral to the growth of TNA as Styles or Joe. The aim of this show isn't for TNA to skyrocket because of it - the aim is to pop a one-off PPV buyrate. If ONS and The Rise and Fall of ECW proved anything it's that there is still a paying market for ECW. If TNA were to get only a very small percentage of the ONS success they'll easily exceed their standard PPV's. TNA aren't trying to draw new viewers but attract some old ones for one night only.

If you don't like it you don't have to watch. Just come back in a little over two weeks and TNA will be moving along towards No Surrender and Bound For Glory as usual.

Fitzy101

Machismo Fan wrote: »

TNA can promote this implicitly nearly as well as they could with rights to everything. You're use of TNA Originals is interesting - do you conveniently forget that Raven's been with TNA since early 2003. Jerry Lynn was there from the very first show. A lot of these guys have been as integral to the growth of TNA as Styles or Joe. The aim of this show isn't for TNA to skyrocket because of it - the aim is to pop a one-off PPV buyrate. If ONS and The Rise and Fall of ECW proved anything it's that there is still a paying market for ECW. If TNA were to get only a very small percentage of the ONS success they'll easily exceed their standard PPV's. TNA aren't trying to draw new viewers but attract some old ones for one night only.

If you don't like it you don't have to watch. Just come back in a little over two weeks and TNA will be moving along towards No Surrender and Bound For Glory as usual.

I couldn't agree more.

Super-Rush

Machismo Fan wrote: »

TNA can promote this implicitly nearly as well as they could with rights to everything. You're use of TNA Originals is interesting - do you conveniently forget that Raven's been with TNA since early 2003. Jerry Lynn was there from the very first show. A lot of these guys have been as integral to the growth of TNA as Styles or Joe. The aim of this show isn't for TNA to skyrocket because of it - the aim is to pop a one-off PPV buyrate. If ONS and The Rise and Fall of ECW proved anything it's that there is still a paying market for ECW. If TNA were to get only a very small percentage of the ONS success they'll easily exceed their standard PPV's. TNA aren't trying to draw new viewers but attract some old ones for one night only.

If you don't like it you don't have to watch. Just come back in a little over two weeks and TNA will be moving along towards No Surrender and Bound For Glory as usual.

I'm not saying that this whole ECW thing is a bad idea, what i'm trying to get at is that this could be done in a different way. Why does RVD the TNA champion have to side with ECW and(supposedly) have to face Jerry Lynn? Is Lynn going to be packaged as an ECW or TNA original? Why couldn't it be ECW v TNA? Why not have RVD v AJ/Joe/Angle/Lethal? Rhino v Joe? Lynn v AJ, a rematch of the first X Division match? Dudleys v MCMG/Beer Money? I haven't even mentioned the likes of Hardy or Anderson.

In my opinion anyone who used to watch ECW is already watching TNA and yes you are right, ONS was a success. Why? Because people wanted to see RVD and the crowd take down super Cena. They could build up an ECW v TNA angle over the next few months and gain some serious momentum and viewers and its win win for everyone. Despite what some of my comments read, i am a big TNA fan and want to see them succeed but Tommy Dreamers comments regarding Tazz and Joe really pissed me off last night.

Machismo Fan

super-rush wrote: »

I'm not saying that this whole ECW thing is a bad idea, what i'm trying to get at is that this could be done in a different way. Why does RVD the TNA champion have to side with ECW and(supposedly) have to face Jerry Lynn? Is Lynn going to be packaged as an ECW or TNA original? Why couldn't it be ECW v TNA? Why not have RVD v AJ/Joe/Angle/Lethal? Rhino v Joe? Lynn v AJ, a rematch of the first X Division match? Dudleys v MCMG/Beer Money? I haven't even mentioned the likes of Hardy or Anderson.

In my opinion anyone who used to watch ECW is already watching TNA and yes you are right, ONS was a success. Why? Because people wanted to see RVD and the crowd take down super Cena. They could build up an ECW v TNA angle over the next few months and gain some serious momentum and viewers and its win win for everyone. Despite what some of my comments read, i am a big TNA fan and want to see them succeed but Tommy Dreamers comments regarding Tazz and Joe really pissed me off last night.

I actually prefer that they seem to be completely disassociating the TNA guys from the ECW guys. I don't think Dreamer was saying that Taz was better than Joe, I think he was just saying that Taz was to ECW what Joe is to TNA while expanding on his 'ECW and TNA aren't that different' point.

Super-Rush

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I actually prefer that they seem to be completely disassociating the TNA guys from the ECW guys. I don't think Dreamer was saying that Taz was better than Joe, I think he was just saying that Taz was to ECW what Joe is to TNA while expanding on his 'ECW and TNA aren't that different' point.

Its hard to disassociate the ECW guys from the TNA guys when one ECW original is the current TNA champion and another is supposedly a shareholder in the company. Lets see how next weeks Impact goes and see what ideas Dreamer comes up with.

Furious-Red

Yea i think it would be better if there were TNA vs ECW matches which imo be better

D2D

waltersobchak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rQPnxCnecU

Machismo Fan

http://www.stormwrestling.com/news.html

TNA: One Last Stand

I was hoping to write a bigger article about the TNA: ECW Themed PPV, because I am getting bombarded with questions, but I've got a very busy schedule for the next week, so I'll just address this here and now.

I was asked if I would be interested in taking part in the TNA: One Last Stand PPV. I think it was big of them to extend me the offer, considering my general opinion of the TNA product, and want to I thank them for that, but I will not be taking part.

I feel it would be hypocritical of me to work the show, considering my out outspoken views of the TNA product. I have a great deal of respect for the boys who will be working the show as well as the great workers on the TNA roster, but I have no desire to be a part of the TNA creative process. As for ECW, One Night Stand in 2005 was my farewell and am content in letting sleeping dogs lie.

Lance Storm

Interesting that TNA would try to bring him in despite everything he's said.

chordtype

Machismo Fan wrote: »

http://www.stormwrestling.com/news.html


Interesting that TNA would try to bring him in despite everything he's said.

I'd said TNA is hoping to get their hands on anyone they can that has any connection to ECW. They need to enough people who can still move to fill a PPV.

It's when they go after Ian Rotten (please God don't let this happen) then you know that they are really desperate.

Cherry_Cola

So who would people like to see on the show?

I'm hoping for a Doring/Roadkill reunion and hopefully they'll get Nova aswell.

Cherry_Cola

Cherry_Cola wrote: »

So who would people like to see on the show?

I'm hoping for a Doring/Roadkill reunion and hopefully they'll get Nova aswell.

Roadkill has all ready been approached apparently but has turn them down.

I dont see why everyone is being so negative?People are giving out about RVD siding with ECW while TNA champ but didnt he do the same while in WWE?and as i recall people were all for it?

It should be a good entertaining PPV and may lead to a enjoyable invasion angle....i mean whoes to say the TNA roster isnt going to invade this PPV and beat the ECW alumni down thus prevailing as superior.

This may also lead to Heyman becoming involved in TNA which is only a good thing seeing as he has the eye for developing a character......


Also dont see why bisch and hogan re still gettin so much flack, im seriously enjoying TNA at the moment, agreed the hogan/abyss thing was lame but now Abyss is repackaged and is enjoying a good push, as have AJ, Kaz, Lehal, Joe, Wolfe, MCMG, BeerMoney, Jesse Neal, Morgan, Hernandez, Williams, Kendrick, Terry, Dinero since hogan and bischoff came in.

Butch Cassidy

super-rush wrote: »

Thats the problem, Heyman wants full control. Hogan and Bischoff won't stay around for long if this happens.

Heyman not only wants control creatively but he wants shares and votes in the business as well! Now that's just downright insanity. The guy had a great wrestling mind but I don't think his heart would be in it should he work with TNA and if they let him near the cheque book then it'll almost definitely be the nail in their coffin. (see the improptu interview he did after Brock's UFC win, I think posted here a few weeks ago)

super-rush wrote: »

Why couldn't it be ECW v TNA?

Because all of these WWF vs WCW, WWE vs ECW angles are awful. They're just terrible. The time to have these type of invasion/interpromotional type angles was over 12 years at the peak of the North American wrestling boom with WWF, WCW and ECW firing on all cylinders.

These shows are merely nostalgia in my opinion. The 2005 One Night Stand was great cause it was run like an ECW show but the subsequent WWE/ECW mishmash the next year was poor.

Sirsok wrote: »

I dont see why everyone is being so negative?.

I don't mind if they wanna go ahead and do this but I wouldn't be paying for it as there's little evidence to suggest it'll be really f'n good! With Bishoff, Russo and Hogan, Nash et al TNA resembles WCW 2.0 and now they're trying to do another ECW. I loved that period of wrestling but there's no need for a rehash in place of something inspired by that time.

Machismo Fan

Butch Cassidy wrote: »

The guy had a great wrestling mind but I don't think his heart would be in it should he work with TNA

If they gave him shares in the company that'd be all the incentive he needs to give everything he has to TNA.

Super-Rush

I heard a rumour today that Shane Douglas v Ric Flair is booked for this.

waltersobchak

super-rush wrote: »

I heard a rumour today that Shane Douglas v Ric Flair is booked for this.

I think Shane Douglas, asked for this match because of the history of his Anti-Flair promos in ECW, but Douglas and Flair fued in WCW so this match would be pretty pointless..

Butch Cassidy

Machismo Fan wrote: »

If they gave him shares in the company that'd be all the incentive he needs to give everything he has to TNA.

I think he'd run it into the ground. The failure of ECW of course had a lot to do with their TV deal but I just don't think Heyman's still got it. That interview he did after UFC the other week just screamed "I'M DONE WITH WRESTLING UNLESS SOMEONE GIVES ME A WHOLE PILE OF MONEY" to be honest....

I love Heyman, ECW was great and the Smackdown 6 and Brock's run was great. He sure did try with ECW 2.0 but Vince was having none of it of course though the first One Night Stand was booked fantasticaly.

JP Liz V1

Former ECW, WWE and WCW star Lance Storm posted the following over at StormWrestling.com concerning the invite he received to be a part of TNA's Hardcore Justice event:
"I think it was big of them [TNA] to extend me the offer, considering my general opinion of the TNA product, and want to I thank them for that, but I will not be taking part."

"I feel it would be hypocritical of me to work the show, considering my out outspoken views of the TNA product. I have a great deal of respect for the boys who will be working the show as well as the great workers on the TNA roster, but I have no desire to be a part of the TNA creative process. As for ECW, One Night Stand in 2005 was my farewell and am content in letting sleeping dogs lie."

jaykhunter

Butch Cassidy wrote: »

"I'M DONE WITH WRESTLING UNLESS SOMEONE GIVES ME A WHOLE PILE OF MONEY"

You called?

D2D

Thing is, this ECW only (well, so far) PPV could do more buys than any TNA PPV that they've done before. Imo, that really is alarming on the state of TNA atm.

jaykhunter

Even if Hardcore Justice does 15,000 buys, it'll steal beat out whatever TNA would've done if they didn't do the ECW deal. It sounds like it's a one-off, so i'm not begrudging them. At least they'll see a little more money

Super-Rush

I dunno, i still think anyone who used to watch ECW is currently watching TNA. Match quality is going to be a big factor. I doubt the top talent in TNA would be too pleased about missing out on a pay day.

Butch Cassidy

http://whosslammingwho.podomatic.com/entry/2010-07-20T12_49_50-07_00


Jim Cornette talks about this ECW angle TNA is doing. 3:50 in.


He says it quite rightly that TNA have moved from the late 80s to mid-90s so now they're only 10, 15 years behind the times.

JP Liz V1

The following two matches have been announced for TNA's Hardcore Justice PPV:
-Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn
-Tommy Dreamer vs. Raven
Additionally, the following list of former ECW names are confirmed to appear on the show:
-Mick Foley
-Team 3D
-Raven
-Rhino
-Stevie Richards
-Simon Diamond
-Al Snow
-Taz
-Tommy Dreamer
-Sabu
-2 Cold Scorpio
-CW Anderson
-The Sandman

D2D

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The following two matches have been announced for TNA's Hardcore Justice PPV:
-Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn
-Tommy Dreamer vs. Raven (w/ Mick Foley as special guest ref)
Additionally, the following list of former ECW names are confirmed to appear on the show:
-Team 3D
-Raven
-Rhino
-Stevie Richards
-Simon Diamond
-Al Snow
-Taz
-Tommy Dreamer
-Sabu
-2 Cold Scorpio
-CW Anderson
-The Sandman

FYP

Ridley

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

w/ Mick Foley as special guest ref

FYP

Well there goes what little interest I already had.

waltersobchak

Former ECW World champion Mikey Whipwreck made the following comments on his Facebook today…

For the record, I have no intentions of doing the TNA PPV. I'm happy for the guys that are doing it but its nice to see the little bingo hall company everyone "blew off" back in the day as "insignificant" is called upon everytime business is in the toilet.

JP Liz V1

TNA wrestlers filmed promos on Tuesday night that will air during the Hardcore Justice pay-per-view. The wrestlers talk about "what the hardcore originals meant to them." Some videos were also filmed that have the former ECW stars paying tribute to Joey Styles and Paul Heyman.

The videos were done as a way to create a nostalgic feel for Hardcore Justice and offer more than just the matches. There is some concerns over how well the former ECW stars will be able to deliver in the ring.

D2D

- Balls Mahoney is no longer listed among the names scheduled for TNA Hardcore Justice, although at different points, Taz's name has disappeared from that list as well, so I wouldn't read too much into it. Mahoney is expected to team with Axl Rotten on the PPV.

- So far, RVD vs. Jerry Lynn and Raven vs. Tommy Dreamer have only been announced for Hardcore Justice. However, for the FREE PPV-quality show on Spike four days later they've already announced SIX matches, including RVD vs. Abyss in a match where Abyss' nail-covered board will be hanging from the ceiling (still not sure the rules of that one), AJ Styles vs. Kurt Angle, Madison Rayne vs. Angelina Love, Ink Inc. vs. Generation Me, Motor City Machine Guns vs. Beer Money, and D'Angelo Dinero vs. Mr. Anderson vs. Matt Morgan. Jeff Hardy is also working the show. The free show is apparently the original line-up for the August PPV. The planning in TNA is so important and meticulous that they couldn't just bump that line-up to the September PPV.

- There's also rumor's that former ECW, WCW and WWE star Perry Satullo aka Perry Saturn has come into contact with TNA officials regarding an appearance at upcoming PPV 'Hardcore Justice'

According to sources it is believed that TNA officials came into contact with Mr. Satullo whilst at a bar in Montgomery, Alabama. Satullo, part of successful tag team 'The Eliminators' along with now passed away George Caiazzo aka John Kronus, is believed to have accepted the offer on a one night appearance basis.

This is seen as a major breakthrough by TNA officials considering Satullo's disappearance from wrestling in 2004, and having not been seen since 2004.

Machismo Fan

That Saturn story is interesting. They found him in a bar? Anywho, if true it'll be fun to see Saturn again if they can get him.

D2D

Machismo Fan wrote: »

That Saturn story is interesting. They found him in a bar? Anywho, if true it'll be fun to see Saturn again if they can get him.

I know, it's sounds fake but with Houdini Saturn, I wouldn't be surprised (although from the pic when he was found, he looked in no shape what-so-ever to compete)

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do at the EV2 PPV (that name sounds horrible)

Butch Cassidy

Was Saturn even any use in ECW? I watched a few of his eliminators matches but aside from that I can't remember too much in WCW or WWE that was any good.