Were PC Gamers Too Good For Microsoft's Cross-Platform Gaming Project?

PogMoThoin

http://gizmodo.com/5593116/were-pc-gamers-too-good-for-microsofts-cross+platform-gaming-project

Doubted it would ever happen TBH

degrassinoel

mouse and keyboard are a lot easier to use for FPS's, but would rather a controller for any driving game.
would've been fun to see it happen though

gizmo

Pretty sure Quake 3 on the Dreamcast and PC proved that this would never ever work.

RolandIRL

FPS is waaay easier with a mouse and keyboard. not surprised by this at all, but it still would have been nice to play. i'd love to see all the MW2 fanboys on xbox get pwned by players on the PC

Retr0gamer

Actually it was the PC people hacking into the Dreamcast servers They were some fun times blowing away noobpad users.

Zeouterlimits

Just didn't sell enough/there wasn't enough interest.
Tis a bit of a shame, but oh well.

Overheal

Perhaps they shouldnt have tested a FPS They should have tested an RTS - oh wait.... or an MMO - Wait. Uhm, Plants vs. Zombies? No wait, thats single player.

Antar Bolaeisk

It would be fun to see it happen but there's just no competition between gamepad and keyboard/mouse. Also, I'm guessing these gamers didn't have their own rigs with them meaning they were playing on machines not calibrated to their own personal preference (though in some cases that might have been of benefit to them).

gizmo

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Actually it was the PC people hacking into the Dreamcast servers They were some fun times blowing away noobpad users.

Hacking into? But they could play together anyway?

NeoKubrick

It's a ridiculous title for the article and it's shamelessly pandering to PC fanboys. A target from a distance of 1000m. Give one person a sniper rifle and, another a handgun. Who do you think is going to be more accurate from a sample of a thousand rounds? It would have no relation to the marksmanship of the individual: one piece of equipment is a better fit and the other isn't. For competitive FPS or RTS, keyboard & mouse is faster and more precise than a controller.

Retr0gamer

gizmo wrote: »

Hacking into? But they could play together anyway?

That was the original plan but Sega decided to keep the servers closed to DC owners only. Didn't take long for PC crowd to hack in and have a fragfest against the noobpadders.

fasty

There was no hacking required. You just needed to install Q3A 1.29 and change the master server to play DC users.

Sarky

That's probably considered hacking these days.

While it was probably more based on lack of interest/sales, there was never going to be much competition when one side needs auto-aiming to make a FPS playable.

super_furry

This isn't a PC v consoles issue, it's a control device issue.

Shiminay

I don't get why they can't allow people to plug in a mouse and keyboard into the 360 or PS3 anyway. I mean I understand the need to sell controllers and other money spinning peripherals, but I wouldn't think twice about buying an XBox branded "hacked so that it's the only device of this sort that will work on this console" mouse and keyboard combo and I'd probably start playing FPS' properly on my XBox.

Sisko

Yet theres so many console eejits that proclaim a pad is better :rolleyes:


Anyway theres one game for sure this would have worked fine on. Street Fighter 4

There was zero reason not to do it with this.

Chairman Meow

Oh my god, you mean to tell me a kb&m is more accurate than a pad??
In other news the sky is blue and scientists reveal the earth orbits the sun.
Doesnt really matter anyway as 99% of the best games of the last year or 2 were console only anyway.

Cuddlesworth

Kharn wrote: »

I don't get why they can't allow people to plug in a mouse and keyboard into the 360 or PS3 anyway. I mean I understand the need to sell controllers and other money spinning peripherals, but I wouldn't think twice about buying an XBox branded "hacked so that it's the only device of this sort that will work on this console" mouse and keyboard combo and I'd probably start playing FPS' properly on my XBox.

You can get devices that let you do this. The level of control is not 100% of what it should be but by god, you kick some serious ass with it. Otherwise, its actually disabled by the console makers.

Shiminay

I know the devices you mean alright Cuddlesworth, have considered picking one up, but they're not cheap and I'd love to play with one before making the commitment. If you're interested, search for XFPS360 folks.

Also, not sure I'd agree with that statement about the best games Chairman Meow. Being a cantankerous pain in the arse, I'm more set in my ways and I'd be of the opinion that some of the best games in recent times have suffered greatly as they've had to be "dumbed down" and shortened to be more suited to the console market. I remember when a game would take days and not hours to play through on single player However, that's a very different argument and off topic for this thread.

Overheal

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Doesnt really matter anyway as 99% of the best games of the last year or 2 were console only anyway.

Do tell

Chairman Meow

Overheal wrote: »

Do tell

Demons Souls
Alan Wake
Uncharted 1 & 2
Super Street Fighter 4
RDR
Heavy Rain
God of War 3

thats off the top of my head, most of those from the last 6 months. Shall i go on?

Shiminay

umm...

lol?

There is a point to be made that consoles get more attention these days but that's simply a business decision - you can make a lot more money and control things a lot more with them and that's fine, there's no point whinging about it when I'm one of the people supporting it

CrazyFish

They did that with shadowrun but Id imagine that game solf like 2 copies on pc because I only ever played one person on pc on it. Shadowrun never took of really which is a shame as its better than most of the fps out these days.

super_furry

CrazyFish wrote: »

They did that with shadowrun but Id imagine that game solf like 2 copies on pc because I only ever played one person on pc on it. Shadowrun never took of really which is a shame as its better than most of the fps out these days.

Played it (and still do) on the 360. Was a fine game that got some serious hate because it wasn't the Shadowrun game everyone wanted.

Auvers

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Shall i go on?

please do

Overheal

aside from street fighter iv (hint) and RDR i've not heard of many of those

either way im not going to dispute either that they were big in their own market or that they arent well known - I do not follow the console market - but you're claiming they make up 99% of the Greatest Releases of the Last Two Years. Big Words. They greatly overlook Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, Arma II, And dare I say Alien Swarm, Wrath of the Lich King, Dawn of War 2, Plants vs. Zombies, World of Goo, Torchlight, Borderlands, Dragon Age... I definitely could go on.

Chairman Meow

Overheal wrote: »

aside from street fighter iv (hint) and RDR i've not heard of many of those

either way im not going to dispute either that they were big in their own market or that they arent well known but you're claiming they make up 99% of the Greatest Releases of the Last Two Years. Big Words. They greatly overlook Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, Arma II, And dare I say Alien Swarm, Wrath of the Lich King, Dawn of War 2, Plants vs. Zombies, World of Goo, Torchlight, Borderlands, Dragon Age... I definitely could go on.

I said those were in the last 6 months (aside from uncharted 1). If i was really arsed i wouldve gone back and looked up most exclusives this gen but im not.
MW2, F3, L4D, World of Goo, Borderlands and dragon age are already on console so im not sure what the point youre trying to make there is.

Im just countering people looking down on consoles for having an inferior control system and being all 'lolol pc gaming master race' etc by pointing out that not many big exclusives come out for PC anymore, and anything that is good and exclusive tends tob e fairly niche like ARMA.
If i was trying to survive on pc alone the last few years id probably have given up gaming as all i keep my pc for nowadays is stalker.

gizmo

Overheal wrote: »

either way im not going to dispute either that they were big in their own market or that they arent well known - I do not follow the console market - but you're claiming they make up 99% of the Greatest Releases of the Last Two Years. Big Words. They greatly overlook Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, Arma II, And dare I say Alien Swarm, Wrath of the Lich King, Dawn of War 2, Plants vs. Zombies, World of Goo, Torchlight, Borderlands, Dragon Age... I definitely could go on.

All available on consoles though and all getting extremely good versions too but I'm not getting into that one again.

Of course, with regards the topic at hand, in any of those competitive games the PC player would still have a massive advantage due to the KB/M combo.

Demons Souls
Alan Wake
Uncharted 1 & 2
Heavy Rain
God of War 3

But seriously, you haven't heard of any of those games? :eek:

Gummy Panda

But does console have sc2?

Jonny7

Actually I found Street Fighter 4 was better on a gaming keyboard than a pad.. which surprised me

knipex

The day they launch a console with a keyboard and mouse I might actually buy one.

PogMoThoin

knipex wrote: »

The day they launch a console with a keyboard and mouse I might actually buy one.

M$ seem to have no interest in making a console more like a pc, its not got a browser, thats just completely pants on head stupid

Overheal

Im just countering people looking down on consoles for having an inferior control system

I don't diss the controller. I diss the hardware especially the poor 360 with a habit of breaking down.

Yakult

Im happy that they even tried doing cross platform. Always something I'd like to see but realisticly certain games will have an advantage with the control pad over the Kb&m and vice versa so it wouldnt be very doable.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

what kind of games would be better with a console controller?

super_furry

Sports games, fighting games, platformers maybe and arcade racing games would probably be better on joypads that keyboards and mouse.

dreamers75

Wasnt there an FPS with bows and arrows that worked on pc and xbox?

Sabre0001

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Demons Souls
Alan Wake
Uncharted 1 & 2
Super Street Fighter 4
RDR
Heavy Rain
God of War 3

thats off the top of my head, most of those from the last 6 months. Shall i go on?

Aside from SSF4 and RDR, you have managed to use two gaming system's exclusives to counter one system. Why not ram Mario Galaxy 2 and No More Heroes 2 in there for good measure?

Exclusives to PC include Starcraft 2, The Sims (one of the biggest franchises ever), Football Manager, etc, etc.

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Im just countering people looking down on consoles for having an inferior control system and being all 'lolol pc gaming master race' etc by pointing out that not many big exclusives come out for PC anymore, and anything that is good and exclusive tends tob e fairly niche like ARMA.

People aren't necessarily looking down on consoles for having inferior controls but stating that if you put a PC K&M combo against a Console controller, the PC player would win. Yes, there are games that are much better to control on consoles (sports & racing) but handily, I can buy an XBox pad that also plugs into my PC - letting me play these games perfectly.

Console games have a degree of Auto-aim...that's automatically admitting that you don't have the same level of precision.

Overheal

theres also performance issues to consider. someone playing a console at 30 frames per second is disadvantaged against someone running 90. Especially when the example is sniping: Twitch-Reflexes rely heavily on how much information you can feed to your eyeballs and how quickly.

gizmo

Sabre0001 wrote: »

Aside from SSF4 and RDR, you have managed to use two gaming system's exclusives to counter one system. Why not ram Mario Galaxy 2 and No More Heroes 2 in there for good measure?

He quite possibly should have since his only point was that the console has been home to the majority of the best games for the last couple of years. A point which is unfortunately (and I use italics to stress that point) true.

Sabre0001 wrote: »

People aren't necessarily looking down on consoles for having inferior controls but stating that if you put a PC K&M combo against a Console controller, the PC player would win. Yes, there are games that are much better to control on consoles (sports & racing) but handily, I can buy an XBox pad that also plugs into my PC - letting me play these games perfectly.

The latter point is moot since it's not really the topic of this thread, however, the more interesting question is whether or not the platform holders and/or developers should encourage the opposite setup i.e. allow more kb/m control schemes on the consoles. Personally I think that'd be an absolutely awful idea, splitting the player base at best or horribly unbalancing games at the worst.

Gummy Panda

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gizmo

I suggest you re-watch that particular episode of Zero Punctuation because I think you missed the irony of what he was saying.


On the other hand you may just be kidding in which case, lol.

Azza

The majority of game are multiplatform these days, so PC gets a good selection of games.

As for lacking in exclusives. It only seems that way when compared against 2 or 3 of the current generation consoles.

I'm pretty sure we will see RDR and SSF IV on PC soon enough.

As for the controller. Outside of sports games, the keyboard is generally superior. Racing games are better with a joypad for sure but a steering wheel is best.
Among the fighting game community there seems to be a considerable number of people who think that keyboard is actually superior to pad when playing fighting games, though neither is as good as an arcade stick.

FPS, RPG(MMO) and RTS are all best suited to a mouse and keyboard.
TPS again I would go for mouse and keyboard.
JRPG don't exsist in great numbers on PC but I'm sure the controller type would make no difference in these games.
Flight Sims, you really need a flight stick to use in conjuction with mouse and keyboard.
Arcade Flyers then a joypad or joystick is fine.

Fnz

Extra, Extra... Blatantly Loaded Article Spawns Forum Pissing Match.

Overheal

Fnz wrote: »

Extra, Extra... Blatantly Loaded Article Spawns Forum Pissing Match.

..he types, from his superior keyboard.

Br4tPr1nc3

Gummy Panda wrote: »

/thread

hahahaha its true!

jill_valentine

Keyboard and mouse offers better results for FPS, but I hate using them. I just enjoy the experience far more with a controller.

dreamers75 wrote: »

Wasnt there an FPS with bows and arrows that worked on pc and xbox?

Are you thinking of Shadowrun?