J4/J5 Rugby League 2010-2011

J4Rugby

Hi All

with the new season approaching suppose the big news for J4 rugby is that scrummaging in the J4 league is now compulsory !!

have to say am very happy as it will stop a lot of the shady/underhand/sly practices that some clubs were doing last year .

Its good to have the "fatties" back in fashion ! That news just might just get my a// off the couch

J5 for coming season is as it was last year, scrummaging "optional"

Theres also a limit of 5 subs in all leagues

interesting times ahead

Heroditas

J4Rugby wrote: »

with the new season approaching suppose the big news for J4 rugby is that scrummaging in the J4 league is now compulsory !!

Yeah, Regulation 1.10 applies if teams don't field a front row.
Still, it'll be semi-competitive scrummaging but it's a good step.


However, the limit on 5 subs is a regressive step.
They introduced rolling subs last year and it was a great success because smaller clubs could give a lot more players a game. Now they are taking away that opportunity and only 5 subs instead of 6 will get an opportunity for gametime.

shoutman

So if teams cant field front rows it is a walkover?
Also is the rolling subs thing banished to obscurity?

LeopoldButters

I heard that if a team does not have a front row the max points they can get is 2 for a win with opposition getting the other two if they lose

J4Rugby

Correct, i hear the new rules are very strict with regards the scrummaging issue

if a front row "suddenly" goes down "injured" in 1st scrum a replacement FR has to be brought on .

basically its to stop teams pulling fast ones as has unfortunately happened in the past.

if teams do try anything "funny" they wont get full points and thats only fair

should mean "proper" rugby , its up to clubs and coaches to find and if necessary train front rows .

it was too easy in the past for some clubs to just ignore this issue , not bother their a// and say we`ll "just stick in a flanker/sec row etc etc " we`ll be fine.

credit to LB for finally addressing this issue.

go the "fatties"!!

2nd Row Donkey

Fixed subs might be all and well when your a young 'un but us 30+ year olds need the rolling subs so we can come off for a breather and then go back on for the last 10 mins!:D

2nd Row Donkey

J4Rugby wrote: »

Correct, i hear the new rules are very strict with regards the scrummaging issue

if a front row "suddenly" goes down "injured" in 1st scrum a replacement FR has to be brought on .

basically its to stop teams pulling fast ones as has unfortunately happened in the past.

if teams do try anything "funny" they wont get full points and thats only fair

should mean "proper" rugby , its up to clubs and coaches to find and if necessary train front rows .

it was too easy in the past for some clubs to just ignore this issue , not bother their a// and say we`ll "just stick in a flanker/sec row etc etc " we`ll be fine.

credit to LB for finally addressing this issue.

go the "fatties"!!

Thats great. I hope they impose the new rules fully but regarding
'if teams do try anything "funny" they wont get full points and thats only fair ' ... how will this be decided? Does the ref make a call mid-match or after the match?

Guy:Incognito

Mandatory scrummaging is great. We've had occasions where we had 15 players and our supposedly retired coach and a team that was warmign up with 25+ lads suddenly cant field a front row 5 mins before kick off.

J4Rugby

Know the feeling

we had a team that was planning to only announce at the 1st scrum they were going non contest but the ref overheard them talking about it as he walked past their dressing room and asked us did we know anything about it.

same team refused to tell us in the hour b4 the return match whether they were scrummaging and left it until the ref was literally about to kick off before they told him they were going to scrummage

thankfully that sort of crap cant happen with the new rules and teams can just turn up without having to plan for that kind of thing , just play "proper" rugby and see what happens !!

delta_bravo

Looking forward to another season of J5. I believe Guinness are entering a team this year. Hopefully they are making a new team and not disbanding their J3s to support their Leinster League team and send the rest down to J5. It was a nice and close league last year when you discount Terenure's outfit so hopefully its the same this year.

magotch07

abslutly great news about the scums i think we (tallaght) had at least 6-8 games last year where the opposition went non contest from the begining of the game so i will stop all that messing

shoutman

Anyone know if Terenure are entering the same team into the J5 league this year? Was a sham that they were there last year given that they beat Clontarf J4 who narrowly lost out on winning section A!

delta_bravo

I havent heard but they have to be promoted really. I know the trophy cabinet has been a little light lately for the nure but thats no reason to put J2 standard and ex Leinster academy players on a J5 team

sickpuppy

delta_bravo wrote: »

I havent heard but they have to be promoted really. I know the trophy cabinet has been a little light lately for the nure but thats no reason to put J2 standard and ex Leinster academy players on a J5 team

Nure were the only team at a leinster branch meeting who would not agree to promotion from the j 5 league.
As you said last year most teams were capable of beating each other and it was very enjoyable.
Terenure have a j 4 team already and theres no rules saying players regardless of ability or skill level cant play at j 5.
Personally id get no satisfaction off beating teams heavily every week wheres the challenge.

delta_bravo

So sickpuppy that means they're back in J5 this year? Theres 4 pools in J4 they easily slot into any of them. Any idea who else got promoted instead?

De Deraco

that terenure team is an absolute joke I watched them play a few times last year and they are a J3 level team at least,.

If they are still in J5 every other J5 team should withdraw from playing them. I am sure they move up properly fter a run of no games.

ADO

i have to agree with the post's on here, last year the J5 league IMO was brilliant....i dont think any team went out thinking "oh were playing these lads again....they hammered us last time". every team had a chance of beating the next team and it made the challenge that much more enjoyable. BUT i dont know how anyone or any club can walk around with there head held high and think that they are great because they field a team in a low level league just for the sake of a trophy. go and win a trophy against teams of ur own level and then u can walk around with ur head held high....until then u havent done anything impressive or overcome a challenge.

sorry for the rant but it just annoys me. I know my club enjoy playing games against a number of other clubs and there is always a bit of crack with the other clubs and the lads are always sound.

sickpuppy

delta_bravo wrote: »

So sickpuppy that means they're back in J5 this year? Theres 4 pools in J4 they easily slot into any of them. Any idea who else got promoted instead?

Im not 100% sure but from info at our agm our j4 captain for next year said that the j 5 league next year would have the same teams.

A couple of teams from section D last year Tallaght B and the Emerald warriors lost all but 3 games out of 28 last year,


Tallaghts first year having a second team i think with many new players so of course they would have been better suited in j 5 till they find there feet.

The branch should have promotion and relegation simple as that.

Tim Robbins

sickpuppy wrote: »

Im not 100% sure but from info at our agm our j4 captain for next year said that the j 5 league next year would have the same teams.

A couple of teams from section D last year Tallaght B and the Emerald warriors lost all but 3 games out of 28 last year,


Tallaghts first year having a second team i think with many new players so of course they would have been better suited in j 5 till they find there feet.

The branch should have promotion and relegation simple as that.

The J4 last year was sort of graded, A, B, C and D. The Tallaght first team I think was in A and should have been in C.

LeopoldButters

Tim Robbins wrote: »

The J4 last year was sort of graded, A, B, C and D. The Tallaght first team I think was in A and should have been in C.

From what I remember Tallaght were originally in Section B but when a place to play in section A was available they decided to play in A.

Their J4B team would benefit greatly if they played in the J5 league this season as they would get a few wins and a bit of confidence

hurleronditch

sickpuppy wrote: »

Nure were the only team at a leinster branch meeting who would not agree to promotion from the j 5 league.
As you said last year most teams were capable of beating each other and it was very enjoyable.
Terenure have a j 4 team already and theres no rules saying players regardless of ability or skill level cant play at j 5.
Personally id get no satisfaction off beating teams heavily every week wheres the challenge.

nice nure tactics last year. A previously good j2 team had fallen away a small bit and were getting hammerings in section a of the j2. So their solution is to drop out of that league, hence they run amok in the lower divisions, winning j3 and j5.

J3 was particularly ruined by nure and 'stones dropping out of a strong j2 division a and ruining it for the rest of them.

But they have nice cups and their mammies are proud

Goodluck2me

hurleronditch wrote: »

But they have nice cups and their mammies are proud

lol

2nd Row Donkey

LeopoldButters wrote: »

From what I remember Tallaght were originally in Section B but when a place to play in section A was available they decided to play in A.

Their J4B team would benefit greatly if they played in the J5 league this season as they would get a few wins and a bit of confidence

Thats correct, tallaght A team where suppose to be in section b and then a place opened up in section A at the last minute and they went for it.

There was even talk of going into J3 at one stage (Thanks God that didn't happen).

In saying that, their is a concensus within the club that the team(s) will benifit moreby attempting to punch above its weight on the field rather than coming up through the ranks. Whether that turns out to be the correct decision, remains to be seen.

2nd Row Donkey

De Deraco wrote: »

that terenure team is an absolute joke I watched them play a few times last year and they are a J3 level team at least,.

If they are still in J5 every other J5 team should withdraw from playing them. I am sure they move up properly fter a run of no games.

That would be awesome. Imagine they won the division by been awarded 20+ walkover result and not playing a single match. Something would have to be done then.

LeopoldButters

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

Thats correct, tallaght A team where suppose to be in section b and then a place opened up in section A at the last minute and they went for it.

There was even talk of going into J3 at one stage (Thanks God that didn't happen).

In saying that, their is a concensus within the club that the team(s) will benifit moreby attempting to punch above its weight on the field rather than coming up through the ranks. Whether that turns out to be the correct decision, remains to be seen.

That can be a dangerous way of looking at things as a team could easily lose alot of players who just get sick of losing every week.

But looking at results from last season you may already be above your weight. I think Tallaght 'A' could do well in J4B and it should be more beneficial to the club as they will win more games which is alot better than taking a beating every week

theKramer

When does the Leinster branch release the fixtures for this year?

2nd Row Donkey

LeopoldButters wrote: »

That can be a dangerous way of looking at things as a team could easily lose alot of players who just get sick of losing every week.

But looking at results from last season you may already be above your weight. I think Tallaght 'A' could do well in J4B and it should be more beneficial to the club as they will win more games which is alot better than taking a beating every week

No doubt about, we were well out of our depth last season.

We are are in J4B this season i think so hopefully we can get a few results instead of a kicking week in week out.

You're right re: losing players. By the end of the season we had 25 player making up the two teams and in pre-season so far this year our best turn out has been 25 compared to 45-55 this time last year so it look like a few of them aren't coming back for more of the same'

Heroditas

theKramer wrote: »

When does the Leinster branch release the fixtures for this year?

It'll probably be the end of August/beginning of September, once they get all the entrants for the various leagues.

delta_bravo

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

That would be awesome. Imagine they won the division by been awarded 20+ walkover result and not playing a single match. Something would have to be done then.

If that happened every other team would be forced to withdraw as you cannot give more than 1 walkover

GiftofGab

When do the matches start? October?

omb0wyn5ehpij9

GiftofGab wrote: »

When do the matches start? October?

Yeah that's normally when they start

Guy:Incognito

IMO theres not enough games, so there should only be 3 sections in J4 with everyone playing 20-22 games instead of 14.

Tim Robbins

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

No doubt about, we were well out of our depth last season.

We are are in J4B this season i think so hopefully we can get a few results instead of a kicking week in week out.

You're right re: losing players. By the end of the season we had 25 player making up the two teams and in pre-season so far this year our best turn out has been 25 compared to 45-55 this time last year so it look like a few of them aren't coming back for more of the same'

Have you still got that body builder dude playing centre? Probably the toughest tackler in J4 rugby in fairness...

Guy:Incognito

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Have you still got that body builder dude playing centre? Probably the toughest tackler in J4 rugby in fairness...

He hasnt decided whether or not to grace us with his presence this season.:) He is threatening to though.

2nd Row Donkey

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Have you still got that body builder dude playing centre? Probably the toughest tackler in J4 rugby in fairness...

Shuussh.. don't tell him that, he's head is barely able to get through the dressing room doors as it is.

magotch07

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

Shuussh.. don't tell him that, he's head is barely able to get through the dressing room doors as it is.

ha ha :D:D

magotch07

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Have you still got that body builder dude playing centre? Probably the toughest tackler in J4 rugby in fairness...

to be fair i reckon our no8 is tougher id rather a tackle of our center then no8 any day

Silly Sausage

I want to play agains this bodybuilding centre.

Is there room for J3 talk here? I play it myself but the J4 sounds like more craic. Bad form on Terenure.

Guy:Incognito

magotch07 wrote: »

to be fair i reckon our no8 is tougher id rather a tackle of our center then no8 any day

Get out of his hole. :P

magotch07

Stekelly wrote: »

Get out of his hole. :P

but its warm there

Heroditas

Stekelly wrote: »

IMO theres not enough games, so there should only be 3 sections in J4 with everyone playing 20-22 games instead of 14.

There's more than enough games, particularly for the smaller clubs.
Season stats with the Westmanstown 7s and Spencer Pennant at the end of August, then 4 weeks of warm-up games before the league starts.
There are a few free weekends because of the internationals for the Autumn series and the 6N.
As it stands, the league finishes up in mid to late February and then the play-offs occur. Aftr that, we're into cup season.

If clubs want more games, they can always arrange fixtures gainst each other but the whole fixture list is pretty congested for the full season.

Factor in a weekend or two of cancelled matches due to waterlogged or frozen pitches and we have Dermot O'Mahony in the Branch pulling his hair out trying to deal with an ever-increasing backlog of fixtures and a chronic shortage of refs.

2nd Row Donkey

magotch07 wrote: »

but its warm there

Brown-nosing the captain eh? i like your style.

He's a tough tackler alright, unlike that prop forward.. ken something... soft as fcuk he is!

Peadar06

Terenure man here, take a rant me now. in the AIL division 2 last year Lansdowne ran away with the league and there were no complaints about them, using contract players and winning just like the Terenure j5 league, but we still had to play on it the league.

Peter

delta_bravo

Peadar06 wrote: »

Terenure man here, take a rant me now. in the AIL division 2 last year Lansdowne ran away with the league and there were no complaints about them, using contract players and winning just like the Terenure j5 league, but we still had to play on it the league.

Peter

You didnt just compare the AIL with J5 did you?

castie

Peadar06 wrote: »

Terenure man here, take a rant me now. in the AIL division 2 last year Lansdowne ran away with the league and there were no complaints about them, using contract players and winning just like the Terenure j5 league, but we still had to play on it the league.

Peter

J5 is beginners rugby standard for the love of god!

magotch07

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

Brown-nosing the captain eh? i like your style.

He's a tough tackler alright, unlike that prop forward.. ken something... soft as fcuk he is!

complete jessy he is

cant wait to start contact training;) :p:p

Peadar06

Also I have refereed quite a few j4/j5 league matches. This year I will be enforcing the yellow and red cards more times than last season as the verbal abuse last year to me as a referee was shocking :eek:

Peter

castie

Peadar06 wrote: »

Also I have refereed quite a few j4/j5 league matches. This year I will be enforcing the yellow and red cards more times than last season as the verbal abuse last year to me as a referee was shocking :eek:

Peter

Id of been enforcing it last year!

Any verbal abuse and yellow
Continue it and its red

Proper Order.

2nd Row Donkey

Peadar06 wrote: »

Also I have refereed quite a few j4/j5 league matches. This year I will be enforcing the yellow and red cards more times than last season as the verbal abuse last year to me as a referee was shocking :eek:

Peter

Ahh shut your f**king mouth ya stupid c**t

:D:D:D

Only kiddin Ref'

In fairness, I was new to our team last year and I was impressed with their discipline towards the ref all year

shoutman

Peadar06 wrote: »

Terenure man here, take a rant me now. in the AIL division 2 last year Lansdowne ran away with the league and there were no complaints about them, using contract players and winning just like the Terenure j5 league, but we still had to play on it the league.

Peter

Are you serious or just looking to get a rise out of someone?

mikedragon32

shoutman wrote: »

Are you serious or just looking to get a rise out of someone?

I think he means that Lansdowne's AIL team were using contracted players just like Terenure J5...

I could be wrong.