Kinect officially priced + Bundles

rizzla

http://ie.xbox360.ign.com/articles/110/1106913p1.html

...First up, the price. Kinect will have a suggested retail price of $149.99, as many online retailers have recently guessed. The news is that Kinect will be bundled with a free game, Kinect Adventures. All first-party Kinect games will have a suggested retail price of $49.99 and Microsoft expects that to be the standard, though it is leaving third-party pricing up to those publishers.



Kinect on its own comes with a game for $150.
At least one third-party game will follow that standard. Microsoft has announced that Dance Central, from Harmonix and MTV Games, will also retail for $49.99.

For those new to Xbox 360, Microsoft will have a special Kinect console bundle available at the November 4 launch of the sensor. For $299, the bundle will include an Xbox 360 console, the Kinect sensor and Kinect Adventures. The Xbox 360 will be the previously confirmed $199 redesigned Xbox 360, not the 250 GB model that has spurred sales in the past month....

Kinda annoyed the Kinect bundle with the new console is just the 4GB one. It's why I held of buying the 360 S. Im sure that shops will do their own bundles with the 250gb S and Kinect.

I do like how the 4gb has a matte finish though, I think I'd prefer that over the glossy version.

Mr E

Too expensive for an impulse buy.

I'll definitely be waiting for the reviews (and some decent games) before even considering it.

rizzla

I think I'll still be getting it. $50 games will translate to €40 over here, that's not too bad. And if I can get a decent bundle with the 250gb S I'd be pretty happy.

People who just bought the new console though, probably won't pick up the Kinect at that price on it's own.

Nice of em to throw in a free game, albeit the one that was considered the worst in critics eyes.

Nedved85

€150for connect... Bit of a rip off, watched some videos of the water craft game...looks like it would be fair boring after a while, theyll have to release some decent games first before i fork out money on this!

Owen

It's 150 Dollars, so that'll translate to around 125 Euro in stores. That's impulse buy territory for me, besides, looking at the demos on Youtube, it looks incredible. Bit laggy - but I'm sure they'll have that sorted on time.

Nedved85

PaintDoctor wrote: »

It's 150 Dollars, so that'll translate to around 125 Euro in stores. That's impulse buy territory for me, besides, looking at the demos on Youtube, it looks incredible. Bit laggy - but I'm sure they'll have that sorted on time.

According to eurogamer its gonna be 150 euro with a launch game

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/microsoft-confirms-kinect-price

rizzla

Nedved85 wrote: »

According to eurogamer its gonna be 150 euro with a launch game

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/microsoft-confirms-kinect-price

That's the RRP. The RRP for the 250gb S was €250, but shops sold it for less than that.

Nedved85

rizzla wrote: »

That's the RRP. The RRP for the 250gb S was €250, but shops sold it for less than that.

One shop, hmv, they normally are cheaper on release anyway, still 150 dollars does not equate to 150 euro...as usual we get screwed!

gizmo

Looking at what Play did with the Move bundle, $99 translating to €70, I think we'll see some kind of discount at a retail level. Still though, need to see some good games on the horizon before I splash out.

rizzla

Well the other shops had great bundles.

Kinect + Kinect Adventures + Dance Central for €150 would be a killer bundle I could see shops doing.

Probably wouldn't be Dance Central cause I think anyone who's getting Kinect will get that game regardless if it's in a bundle or not, but I can dream.

More than likely it would be..

Kinect + Adventures + Sports for €150

rizzla

gizmo wrote: »

Looking at what Play did with the Move bundle, $99 translating to €70, I think we'll see some kind of discount at a retail level. Still though, need to see some good games on the horizon before I splash out.

Main difference between the US and Eu Move bundles though is that the US get a pack in game and the EU just get a demo disc, which accounts for the price difference between dollar and euro.

Grumpypants

Official Microsoft Irish pricing

Kinect sensor plus Kinect Adventures : 149.99euro
Kinect sensor Kinect adventures plus new 4GB Xbox360 slim : 299.99euro
New 4GB XBOX360 : 199.99 euro

New xbox has a 4GB internal flash memory buit in wi-fi and touch sensitive button. So basically a slim with no hard drive.

Games including the animals one, the racing one etc retail at 49.99euro

Sure deals will vary from shop to shop but expect to pay around that.

Oafley Jones

Much prefer the matte finish, although I was hoping for a white option. Not going near Kinect at that price.

gizmo

rizzla wrote: »

Main difference between the US and Eu Move bundles though is that the US get a pack in game and the EU just get a demo disc, which accounts for the price difference between dollar and euro.

Ah, indeed you're correct. Did that change since E3 by any chance? I seem to remember Tretton mentioning the bundle but not the game for $99?

super_furry

€150 for a fancy EyeToy? Pass.

gizmo

super_furry wrote: »

€150 for a fancy EyeToy? Pass.

Ignorance must be bliss. :rolleyes:

tman

I'm with furry on this one... That's massively overpriced for such a gimmicky gadget!

rizzla

tman wrote: »

I'm with furry on this one... That's massively overpriced for such a gimmicky gadget!

Dunno, people have bought more expensive plastic instruments and they just work with a certain genre of games.

Onearmedbandit

tman wrote: »

I'm with furry on this one... That's massively overpriced for such a gimmicky gadget!

Me too, you could buy another (older) 360 for €150 thats a stupid price to be asking first adopters for something that doesn't have the game library to back it up. I had a look at all the launch games and they are dominated by party/dance/fit games that you can get out of the bargain bucket for the Wii.

I think you are better off waiting if you are thinking about getting it, at least then the price will be lower and you can also be sure that some sort of decent game range will be available.

Grumpypants

tman wrote: »

I'm with furry on this one... That's massively overpriced for such a gimmicky gadget!

But i did spend over 200 on a Wii so i have a track record for buying overpriced gimmicky gadgets

calex71

rizzla wrote: »

Dunno, people have bought more expensive plastic instruments and they just work with a certain genre of games.

You leave rock band out of this ya hear me, I'll not hear a bad word against her

The little curiosity I had about this though has vanished on seeing the prices Way to much for as said for impulse, it's success will lie heavily on support of 3rd party dev's (and their continued support of it) and the quality of the games.

-=al=-

they shud knock a bit off... or even make it 99$ for it and the game, you can get a friggin xbox for 150! or a wii for a bit more even.. its just an add on accessory...

but i'll probably still get it for christmas...

wes

Will probably wait till this goes down in price, and if some good games come out for it.

RobertFoster

They're seriously going to charge €50 each for Joy Ride/Kinectimals/Adventure/etc.? I would have thought they'd have bundled them with the hardware like Wii Sports as they seem like glorified tech demos in all honesty.

Varik

Do you remember when 360 first party games where cheaper, then gears came along and that went out the window. they should have the games at a slightly lower price at least initially.

gizmo

RobertFoster wrote: »

They're seriously going to charge €50 each for Joy Ride/Kinectimals/Adventure/etc.? I would have thought they'd have bundled them with the hardware like Wii Sports as they seem like glorified tech demos in all honesty.

But they're different games, developed by different teams and cover completely different genres. You've listed a racing game, a Nintendogs-type game and Wii Sports-esque type game there, hardly all the same.

Varik wrote: »

Do you remember when 360 first party games where cheaper, then gears came along and that went out the window. they should have the games at a slightly lower price at least initially.

Nope, and why would they do that? Development costs are the same for MS as they are for everyone else.

Varik

gizmo wrote: »

Nope, and why would they do that? Development costs are the same for MS as they are for everyone else.

The first party games were cheaper at the start, after the 1st gears came out the price was set to the same price point as 3rd party, i never said that was a bad thing as games have got more expensive this generation, my point was do you believe a Kinect game is worth that and even when the Kinect controller is new to develop for i don't think the cost of development justifies that price.

The price should be lower for these game at the start to entice people with Kinect being new, set it higher when a great games that will move systems by itself comes out, Dance Central is the only game that could justifies that price.

WolfForager

Was considering it simply for the swish swish menus and the hope of good games, but at 149 i think i'll wait until i see some really good indie games.

Karmafaerie

super_furry wrote: »

€150 for a fancy EyeToy? Pass.

Yeah, I can't believe people pay so much for motorbikes when they're just fancy bicycles.

Or for mobile phones when their just fancy versions of two cans and a piece of string.

Or games consoles when they're just fancy board games.


:rolleyes:

ghostchant

Right now I'd probably agree with the statement that it's a fancy EyeToy. In that it's gimmicky with no stand-out games warranting the hardware purchase. That of course can change, but personally I think it makes sense to wait it out and see what games appear. Not like the Kinect won't be for sale in 6 or 12 months time (and possibly cheaper)

gizmo

Varik wrote: »

The first party games were cheaper at the start, after the 1st gears came out the price was set to the same price point as 3rd party, i never said that was a bad thing as games have got more expensive this generation, my point was do you believe a Kinect game is worth that and even when the Kinect controller is new to develop for i don't think the cost of development justifies that price.

If anything they'd be more expensive initially as the the development cost is higher as companies get to grip with the hardware.

Varik wrote: »

The price should be lower for these game at the start to entice people with Kinect being new, set it higher when a great games that will move systems by itself comes out, Dance Central is the only game that could justifies that price.

How lower though? Also, when people haven't gotten their hands on them outside of some demos at E3 and conferences, how can people say they're not worth it yet? Kinect Adventures, for example, has over 20 different modes of play. Now while I'd imagine there'll be some similarities between a few of them, on paper it at least sounds to offer plenty of variety. As for the others, I just think it's worth waiting to see how they end up before criticising them.

Karmafaerie

I was going to get Kinect anyway, I'll be honest.
But I really don't see what all the complaints about the price are.

It's €150.00 and that's it.
No more costs.

No buying another Wiimote, and another Nunchuck.
Or three more if you want to play 4-player.

No buying more Move wands, or Nunchucks, especially seeing as for half the games on the Move you need two wands!!!
So 2 player means 4 wands!!!!!

No having to buy a Kinect "Motion Plus" for everyone of your existing controllers.

No having to buy plug and charge kits for your controllers, and having to wait for your batteries to charge.


Put it this way.


Wii

2 player

Extra Wiimote: €41.99
Nunchuck: €21.99
Motion Plus: €25.49
Play and charging Station: €20.99

(all from Play.com)

So that's €110.46!!!!!

So the whole "it's almost as expensive as the Wii" argument is a load of crap.

And lets not forget Kinect supports up to 4 players supposedly, I used 2 players cause the Kinect Adventures game is 2 player only.


So basically for a two player situation, a new xbox with Kinect costs less than a Wii.

€299.00 Xbox 4GB/Kinect bundle.
€199.00 for Wii and €110 for aditional controller set and charge kit.


Terrible argument to complain about the price.
I won't bother comparing the Move cause that'd be even worse!

Karmafaerie

ghostchant wrote: »

Right now I'd probably agree with the statement that it's a fancy EyeToy. In that it's gimmicky with no stand-out games warranting the hardware purchase. That of course can change, but personally I think it makes sense to wait it out and see what games appear. Not like the Kinect won't be for sale in 6 or 12 months time (and possibly cheaper)

Child Of Eden all the way.

As I said I was gonna get the Kinect anyway, but as soon as I saw that.....


....

calex71

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Terrible argument to complain about the price.
I won't bother comparing the Move cause that'd be even worse!

The price argument is quite valid, comparing cost to a wii or ps move is irrelevant as many of us don't own a wii or a ps3 or have any desire to. Also I rarely play games in local multiplayer, its 99% online.

€150 is not exactly small change to risk on an early purchase for something which may or may not be worth it. The best deals I think will go to new users who get this and the console in a bundle. seem's to be 299 US on xbox.com but I'm sure there will be better deals at christmas.

allanb49

As said by alot of people there is potential there for it but its untested and a lot of people where burned when the wii came out sure its fun to play but when you have a console full of just party games it gets boring

Hopefully the kinnect won't do this and they do get some innovative 3rd party games.

But it really wouldnt surprise me if this went the way of the HD-DVD add on. that a few will buy it and be left with 150 euro webcam.

It could be that MS do market this right and give it the support it needs think i read somewhere it's been in development since 2003,

But none of us will know till it comes out and if the price is justified

ghostchant

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Child Of Eden all the way.

It does indeed look good, but again I'd need more than one or two games to spend €150 plus the cost of the games. That being said, if Kinect does well and as a consequence more games like that get released, I could be convinced. Let's not forget that the Wii has plenty of worthwhile games that unfortunately get buried by shovelware, hoping the same fate isn't awaiting games like this.

Karmafaerie

calex71 wrote: »

The price argument is quite valid, comparing cost to a wii or ps move is irrelevant as many of us don't own a wii or a ps3 or have any desire to. Also I rarely play games in local multiplayer, its 99% online.

€150 is not exactly small change to risk on an early purchase for something which may or may not be worth it. The best deals I think will go to new users who get this and the console in a bundle. seem's to be 299 US on xbox.com but I'm sure there will be better deals at christmas.

I'm not saying that it's a pointless argument for those who don't want to spend the cash, or risk early adoption.

I said the argument of "it almost costs as much as the Wii" is a pointless argument.

gizmo

Regarding the Wii comparison, in the US at least Kinect is being bundled with the new 4GB Arcade model for $300. A Wii with one set of controllers can be had for $200. Now in that case, I think the decision for which to go for is easy.

Of course if you already own a Wii, which many people already do, the decision is a harder one but I guess sales between now and Christmas will show how things are shaping up.

justsomebloke

I don't know why Microsoft didn't just wait to release the slim as the same time as this

chances are they may have got a lot of early slim adopters buying it as part of a pack for an extra 100 but I think at a 150 on it's own a lot of people are just going to leave it. Consumers will wait to see if there are any good games but developers will wait to see if people are buying it before making games for it

calex71

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I'm not saying that it's a pointless argument for those who don't want to spend the cash, or risk early adoption.

I said the argument of "it almost costs as much as the Wii" is a pointless argument.

Ah your right of course there, I miss read your post.

DARK-KNIGHT

gotta say if kinect is gonna be 150 euro i wont be buying it!!

im gonna take that 150 euro and buy a second xbox360 for my bedroom just to annoy my missus lol!

seriously though if they wanted people to buy kinect and then continue buying software the unit should be no more expensive than 65 euro or so!

im normally crap at not buying stuff like i buy everything for 360 but i refuse to buy this until price drops!

remember beatles rockband the limited edition??? 200 or more when it was released well i got it in hmv for 58 euro now isnt that nice profit margins for stores if someone payed for it on release day for example???

ShaneU

Anyone else just get an invite to the Kinect beta or am I just special?

DARK-KNIGHT

ShaneU wrote: »

Anyone else just get an invite to the Kinect beta or am I just special?

no your just SPECIAL LOL how are they gonna work a beta with kinect though?

beardo81

I think this isn't such a bad deal. Remember in days gone by when we all had to fork out €400-€500+ for a new console every 4 years? This generation is lasting much longer and I think this isn't a bad way of extending the longevity of a consoles life.

Karmafaerie

If you've been following Kinect at all, you'll know how this is thought out.

Xbox had planned on releasing the next gen console in a years time.
They hired a load of staff and developers to work on it.
Instead they decided that there was no need to bring out a more powerfull console as game developers weren't looking for more power.

So Kinect was developed to allow developers to move in the directions they wanted.
The idea behind Kinect is one of future intergration.
They keep talking about how they don't want to pigeon hole it themselves, as they're waiting for the game developers to go and run with it.

At the moment most of the games that are on it are Wii clones, mainly because that's all that the developers are used to, but already the work is being put in to go beyond what the wii can.

MS have started the varied interface intergration.
You can chat with any online computer with a webcam, and the Xbox is also trying to take over the home theater with it's NUI.

Imagine in a few years time when Kinect is the hub for your whole house.
Your music, your phone, your tv, your Kinect hooked up to your doorbell camera.

As they say, their plan for Kinect is to have it as your home hub.
And they admit that they're only starting on this.

As for games, look at the first dancing game to come out compared to the dancing games on the Wii.

Imagine what they'll be doing in 2 years, or 3.


Kinect is €150 but it's like adding a whole new dimension to your Xbox.


(Incase ye haven't guessed, I'm excited!:p)

NotorietyH

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Imagine what they'll be doing in 2 years, or 3.


Kinect is €150 but it's like adding a whole new dimension to your Xbox.


(Incase ye haven't guessed, I'm excited!:p)

Yeah I'm more than happy to wait that 2 or 3 years until Kinect is reasonably priced. At the moment, it's just not doing it for me. Despite being a big Harmonix fan and mildly tempted by Dance Central! :P

rizzla

The thing about hardware, MS harware especially, is that it rarely drops in price. Remember the hard drives, wireless adapters and joypads.

Joystiq now have the 250gb Kinect bundle image, that'll be the one I'm gettin.

Karmafaerie

It's things like MS announcing ASL sign language support for Kinect.

That's immense.
A tool that can be used to help with special learning programmes, while at the same time, allowing people with hearing difficulties to interact with a gaming console on the same level as regularly abled users.


Also the way that Kinect will be able to pinpoint your voice, ignoring ambient sound and track you as you move accross the room.
it's just something that's never been done before.

NoterietyH think of it this way, I'm a big Harmonix fan myself, but not a big dance game fan.
I am however a gigantic Micheal Jackson fan.
With the announcement of the Micheal Jackson game, where you dance and sing along to MJ's classics, can you imagine the contrast between Kinect, Move, and the Wii.

With both Move and Wii it's gonna be hand movements, and wearing some kind of headset microphone.

With Kinect it's gonna be able to track your entire body, and pick up your voice without any peripherals.

You'll be free to sing and moonwalk, around the living room to your hearts content.:D

NotorietyH

Karmafaerie wrote: »

You'll be free to sing and moonwalk, around the living room to your hearts content.:D

I don't want to though, and in any case, I've yet to see a game that lets you do just that. So I'm going to wait until there's a few good games out there for it. Child of Eden does look great, but you can play that without Kinect and it's also coming out on PS3 anyway. So at the moment it's just Dance Central that seems to use the hardware in any decent way and as a Harmonix fan I'm going to spend the money on Rock Band 3 rather than Kinect. Might sound contradictory but I've hardly stopped playing Rock Band since the first game was released whereas at the moment, looking at the Kinect games, I doubt I'd be playing any a week after release.

I don't care how good it could be in the future or what types of games might come out in the future. I'm not going to spend that much money on faith alone. A year from now Kinect could be like the vast majority of peripherals and be virtually unsupported. Fable III could have been enough to make me spring for Kinect, but that's not supporting Kinect at launch either so...

ShaneU

Just got accepted into the beta tonight, new dashboard and everything, anyone else?

allanb49

how'd you get into the beta? just got a random email?