£300 speeding fine

Mickk

Just a warning to all, last night I was done for going 105mph on the motorway going to holyhead. The fine was 300 sterling paid on the spot and I was told that a ghost english licence has been created and if I ever apply for a UK licence I am automatically banned!

cgarrad

:eek:

They are trying anything to get that deficit down

EPM

Mickk wrote: »

Just a warning to all, last night I was done for going 105mph on the motorway going to holyhead. The fine was 300 sterling paid on the spot and I was told that a ghost english licence has been created and if I ever apply for a UK licence I am automatically banned!

That's a light enough fine imo without knowing the exact conditions. Lucky lad...:D

Joe 90

If that was in the North Wales area you got off light enough. The chief constable there is a right nutter about speeding. I tend to stay under 80 indicated around there.

ardmacha

The fine was 300 sterling paid on the spot and I was told that a ghost english licence has been created and if I ever apply for a UK licence I am automatically banned!

This bit I find hard to understand.
Firstly a ban after one offence which was dealt with by a on the spot fine?
Secondly if a ban is warrented are you not banned in England anyway?

CarMuppet

ah I remember this story

http://www.prlog.org/10173699-dvla-unable-trace-ghost-licence.html


BTW sorry to hear about the dent in your pocket...

Turner

Surely they have to give you the 48 or 60 or whatever it is days to pay the fine by posting the fine to your home address in Ireland.

And you should have the option to contest the offence in court, by not paying the fine.

Under no circumstances do you ever have to hand Gardai money at the side of the road for a fine!! (unless its a court fine)

I don't see how they are allowed to demand payment on the spot. I know the reason is that they know well a person living outside the UK has not got a notion of paying the fine once they get home (I know I wouldn't) but still surely handing over 300 quid in cash should not be on. I don't think I would hand over money in that situation.

Also 300 pounds is harsh. The roads are well fit for that speed. When they saw it was someone leaving the country they should have let the op off with a warning.

Mr Simpson

ardmacha wrote: »

Firstly a ban after one offence which was dealt with by a on the spot fine?

Afaik i am open to correction but in the UK you receive an automatic ban for being caught speeding at over 100mph. (No source, i think it was Road wars )

Alun

Griffin Green Rag wrote: »

I don't see how they are allowed to demand payment on the spot.

Perfectly legal, so it seems ...

http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/41643-on-the-spot-fines-for-foreign-drivers-work/

Anyway, 105mph on a dual carriageway (it's the A55, not a motorway) is asking for it, really. The police there are always on the prowl for Irish cars that are running late for the ferries, it's a well known spot.

Mr Benevolent

105 mph is taking the piss.

Wolfe Tone

Confab wrote: »

105 mph is taking the piss.

Suprised it took 11 posts for someone to mention that.

corktina

you were lucky..if it had been dangerous driving then I think you'd be off the road here too under the new arrangement. (i stand to be corrected...)

mathepac

Alun wrote: »

... The police there are always on the prowl for Irish cars that are running late for the ferries, it's a well known spot.

Heddlu's here, heddlu's there, heddlu's every bleedin' where. Up to £900 max on-the-spot though, they're not kidding any more.

bijapos

Griffin Green Rag wrote: »

I don't see how they are allowed to demand payment on the spot.

Tis the law of the land, exists in most countries that non residents pay on the spot. Should be introduced here imo. Too many taking the piss and not paying while we (residents) have to pay.

I know the reason is that they know well a person living outside the UK has not got a notion of paying the fine once they get home (I know I wouldn't)

Indeed, which is why they do it.

Not sure about the UK but the Spanish can, and do impound vehicles, and the tow away fee comes on top of the fine. proper order too.

I don't think I would hand over money in that situation.

You don't have to hand the money over, but I doubt they will let you drive on.

Also 300 pounds is harsh. The roads are well fit for that speed. When they saw it was someone leaving the country they should have let the op off with a warning.

So you think every foreigner driving in the UK (or for that matter Ireland)should be allowed to drive at whatever speed they want with the knowledge that they will only face a 2 minute bollicking from P.C. Plod? In the meantime residents of that country should face the wrath of the law. Want to introduce that system here?


EDIT: I think it was mentioned above, but in the UK 100mph + is an automatic ban. If you have a good excuse you may get out of it.

leeroybrown

The North Wales Heddlu love speed cameras and speed traps. It's always worth taking it a bit easy through there if possible.

Confab

Confab wrote: »

105 mph is taking the piss.

Here we go again!!

On a two lane dual carriage way in a decent car its cruising speed.

Wolfe Tone

Griffin Green Rag wrote: »

Here we go again!!

On a two lane dual carriage way in a decent car its cruising speed.

It is a retarded speed to be doing on a public road.

MUSSOLINI

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

It is a retarded speed to be doing on a public road.

Mickk

I'm not bothered at all, I was blessed. I was bold, got caught, my licence is still clean and the matter is already dealt with so no wasting time in court. Tbh when I saw what was on his radar I thought is that all Incredibly even after sitting in the back of his car for 15 minutes I still made the ferry!

Heroditas

Ficus wrote: »

105mph is cruising speed? Whats pushing on speed then?
I think you are a danger to every other road user if you really have that opinion.

105mph would be considered slow on an autobahn so you can't simply label him as a danger to other road users because he states that.

Mr Magners

105mph would be considered slow on an autobahn so you can't simply label him as a danger to other road users because he states that.

He wasn't on an Autobahn!

Wolfe Tone

Heroditas wrote: »

105mph would be considered slow on an autobahn so you can't simply label him as a danger to other road users because he states that.

Was he on an autobahn?

ScouseMouse

The A55 is a great road, but as someone has pointed out already, its not a motorway.

There are a couple of roundabouts and very narrow turns near penmanwaer. You should have been taken in and banned.

Not only could you have killed yourself, but someone else as well.

If you got a blow out at that speed you would have had no chance.

Heroditas

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Was he on an autobahn?

He wasn't on any road.
He didn't mention any particular road at all.
So to label him a danger to others is erroneous based on the comment he made.

Wolfe Tone

superscouse wrote: »

The A55 is a great road, but as someone has pointed out already, its not a motorway.

There are a couple of roundabouts and very narrow turns near penmanwaer. You should have been taken in and banned.

Not only could you have killed yourself, but someone else as well.

If you got a blow out at that speed you would have had no chance.

This.

Mr Magners

Heroditas wrote: »

He wasn't on any road.
He didn't mention any road at all.
So to label him a danger to others is erroneous based on the comment he made.

Yes he was he said he was on a motorway which is not an Autobahn, you were the first one to mention Autobahn

Heroditas

Ficus wrote: »

Sorry but there is a big difference with a person driving on an autobahn and driving on a dual carriagway. People simply dont expect other road users to be going that fast and dont take it into account.

I have a feeling this discussion will descend into semantics.

Heroditas

Mr Magners wrote: »

Yes he was he said he was on a motorway which is not an Autobahn, you were the first one to mention Autobahn

Kindly quote exactly where Nox said he was driving on a road/motorway

Ficus

Ficus wrote: »

Sorry but there is a big difference with a person driving on an autobahn and driving on a dual carriagway. People simply dont expect other road users to be going that fast and dont take it into account.

Did anyone see the recent top gear where they were on a two lane unlimited autobahn. The ennis bypass was a better road imo. So never mind with saying its not an autobahn.

And in the UK they do expect you to be driving close enough to that speed. Traffic tends to flow close enough to 90mph on UK motorways.

superscouse wrote: »

The A55 is a great road, but as someone has pointed out already, its not a motorway.

There are a couple of roundabouts and very narrow turns near penmanwaer. You should have been taken in and banned.

I presume someone would have enough sense to slow down on bad parts of the road.

ScouseMouse

Heroditas wrote: »

He wasn't on any road.
He didn't mention any particular road at all.
So to label him a danger to others is erroneous based on the comment he made.

There is only one main road across Anglesey. Its the A55. It would be easy to mistake it for a motorway, such is the quality of it, but its still an A road.

ScouseMouse

Heroditas wrote: »

Kindly quote exactly where Nox said he was driving on a road/motorway

The original post, post number 1

Mr Magners

Mickk wrote: »

Just a warning to all, last night I was done for going 105mph on the motorway going to holyhead. The fine was 300 sterling paid on the spot and I was told that a ghost english licence has been created and if I ever apply for a UK licence I am automatically banned!

Nox didn't say he was on a motorway, the OP did. I didn't quote Nox as far as I remember.

Ficus

Ficus wrote: »

They do in their arse expect you to be driving at that speed.
I think you need to wake up, its an immediate ban if you are caught doing 100mph.
Simply because the road is in good condition and can of handle a vehicle at that speed means its safe to do it?
The point i am making is that other road users will not anticipate you traveling at those speeds and so will no take that into account when making decisions like lane changing etc.
Remember you are traveling at nearly 50 meters per second at that rate.

Have you driven in the UK?

I lived and drove in the UK for year. I was often driving around 100mph and would be overtaken plenty of times, but would generally be moving with the flow of the outer lanes. I would keep it just under the 100mph mostly to avoid the automatic ban if ever caught.

Heroditas

superscouse wrote: »

The original post, post number 1

Post #1 was made by Mickk, not Nox

stealthyspeeder

Confab wrote: »

105 mph is taking the piss.

No, its not, it really really isnt.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

It is a retarded speed to be doing on a public road.

Have you driven a performance car on a high quality road?
Are you approaching this from the view that because it is illegal it is retarded? or because you think its unsafe? or both?

Ficus wrote: »

105mph is cruising speed? Whats pushing on speed then?
I think you are a danger to every other road user if you really have that opinion.

I would say above 120mph would be pushing on my car, but this someone in a Veyron would be able to outbrake me and out outmanover me going at 150mph, dependant on the car tbh.

If the road was empty, I dont see how anybody was in danger?

superscouse wrote: »

The A55 is a great road, but as someone has pointed out already, its not a motorway.

There are a couple of roundabouts and very narrow turns near penmanwaer. You should have been taken in and banned.

Not only could you have killed yourself, but someone else as well.

If you got a blow out at that speed you would have had no chance.

If you get a blowout a 70 you are most likely fcuked as well :rolleyes:

Taken in and banned for 105mph.... Jeeeeeeezus!

ScouseMouse

In the UK, you get an automatic ban for 100+

The cop seemed lazy. He should have brought the OP in.

superscouse

superscouse wrote: »

In the UK, you get an automatic ban for 100+

The cop seemed lazy. He should have brought the OP in.

Why? Just to make him miss his ferry and not get home. Honestly I cant understand some people. It would be hard if not impossible to apply/enforce the ban on a non-resident too so why go through the effort.

Mickk

superscouse wrote: »

In the UK, you get an automatic ban for 100+

The cop seemed lazy. He should have brought the OP in.

If read my original post he did ban me on my ghost english licence. Anyway I don't want a discussion on whether it was right or wrong, I just put it up here as a warning for anyone else running late for the ferry.

corktina

Griffin Green Rag wrote: »

Have you driven in the UK?

I lived and drove in the UK for year. I was often driving around 100mph and would be overtaken plenty of times, but would generally be moving with the flow of the outer lanes. I would keep it just under the 100mph mostly to avoid the automatic ban if ever caught.

thats simply not the case...yes there are a good few in the outside lane doing 90 + but they represent less than 5% imho of the traffic. If you were to cruise at 70mph you would be continuosly pulling out to overtake CARS doing a lesser speed never mind trucks.

keithclancy

Griffin Green Rag wrote: »

Have you driven in the UK?

I lived and drove in the UK for year. I was often driving around 100mph and would be overtaken plenty of times, but would generally be moving with the flow of the outer lanes. I would keep it just under the 100mph mostly to avoid the automatic ban if ever caught.

+1 driven over to the UK from the Netherlands a few times and found that everyone drove above the speed limit up North (Leeds/Newcastle).

No Idea what the south is like ..

I was doing 85 and seemed to be driving slow

Nothing wrong with speeding IMO, here in the Netherlands most people drive about 150 - 160 in the South, no speed cameras really except for in the City areas. Head up North west though and its average speed camera land, f*cking hate driving to Amsterdam.... Damn 100km/h speed limit after you go over the rivers

More important to watch the road than your speedo imo.

notel70

cheers OP for the warning,

always take it easy during the day around there, i mostly get the boat that docks at 00.30, take it easy until the M56 then hammer down till dover, esp the autobahn section(M6 toll).

For some reason im never in a rush to get to that kip hollyhead on the way home

dr.fuzzenstein

Chief--- wrote: »

Surely they have to give you the 48 or 60 or whatever it is days to pay the fine by posting the fine to your home address in Ireland.

And you should have the option to contest the offence in court, by not paying the fine.

Under no circumstances do you ever have to hand Gardai money at the side of the road for a fine!! (unless its a court fine)

Well you see, that's only the Irish.
Many countries have a much more partisan approach to speeding. And they know that if they let a foreigner get away, he'll most likely try to dodge payment once back home.
Have heard stories about France, Italy, Austria to name but a few countries where if you're stopped you're being handed a fine and you can have your car back once you pay it.
Got a problem with that? Go to court.
If I'm handed a fine in Ireland I know I can safely ignore it, I used to have a shoebox full of parking fines and basically blew past every speed camera here because I had foreign plates. And I knew nothing would ever happen, so why worry?
I don't know if that's changed in the meantime, but it better have.

fullstop

Griffin Green Rag wrote: »

Great post :rolleyes::rolleyes:

bladebrew

there are plenty of stories of truck drivers on the continent being given massive on the spot fines, i didnt know it was done in england though

the french are apparently notorious it, some of the stories mention fines of thousands of euro given to haulage companies for breaking the law,
im not sure are the fines so steep for cars though,

manta356

Chief--- wrote: »

Surely they have to give you the 48 or 60 or whatever it is days to pay the fine by posting the fine to your home address in Ireland.

And you should have the option to contest the offence in court, by not paying the fine.

Under no circumstances do you ever have to hand Gardai money at the side of the road for a fine!! (unless its a court fine)

I dont think the Gardai will be pulling on the Holyhead road in the near future,no matter how bad the Finances are here :rolleyes:

robtri

AFAIK if you are caught speeding here on a forgein licence and not a residenent in the country.. they can ask for an on the spot payment, or they can arrest you and bring you the station..
cause they know if they give you 60 days and you just a visitor .. you not paying it as they have no jurisdication outsie of the state...

and they do the same in the North.. i can vouch for that

keithclancy

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well you see, that's only the Irish.
Many countries have a much more partisan approach to speeding. And they know that if they let a foreigner get away, he'll most likely try to dodge payment once back home.
Have heard stories about France, Italy, Austria to name but a few countries where if you're stopped you're being handed a fine and you can have your car back once you pay it.
Got a problem with that? Go to court.
If I'm handed a fine in Ireland I know I can safely ignore it, I used to have a shoebox full of parking fines and basically blew past every speed camera here because I had foreign plates. And I knew nothing would ever happen, so why worry?
I don't know if that's changed in the meantime, but it better have.

News Flash .. most 'foreigners' will try to avoid a fine if they can get away with it.

Unless you do something really stupid, usually the Germans at least will leave your off or look for your home address to put down on the ticket, less paperwork the better.

Handed the VRC cert to a German Policeman, reply was .. Gruss Got ... handed it back and said "Don't do it again, I will remember you"

When you get plates in a Schengen country that has a deal with another country theres no denying the speed camera photos

Dutch postman at the door "Ha ha .. the Germansh find you!!"

170 kph? Yeah my friend was doing that on the way up north the other week, she was afraid of getting a fine too...

seems a bit excessive!! (the speed)

L1011

Griffin Green Rag wrote: »

Here we go again!!

On a two lane dual carriage way in a decent car its cruising speed.

Depends which bit of the A55 it was on, some are well capable of it, some aren't at all.

BigEejit

50% again over the speed limit ....

A lot of people break the speed limits on dual carriageway A roads and motorways ... very rarely by 50%

Slowing down 35mph in a hurry so you dont crash into the back of someone who is overtaking a lorry at 70mph and miscalculated your speed before pulling into the right hand lane could be a problem.

The fact that the op still made it in time for his boat even though he was stopped for 15 minutes and probably driving a lot handier for the remainder shows that it was not even really required....