Apparitions

branie

anyone here watching it?

dvpower

branie wrote: »

anyone here watching it?

There's an apparition?:eek:

Baggio1

missed it am in work,,i believe that conman coleman was on at the end or was he all the way through??..what was featured on it?

blondie7

i watched this last night, and i really cant believe how people follow him! I was on his website and reading the so called messages he is recieving. There just not genuine in my opinion, ive noticed since he isnt being tolerated in knock he has turned his attentions to a place in Waterford (sorry cant remember the name of the place!)

patrickk

Mount Mellaray in Waterford ,near Cappoquin.There was an apparition there on 16th August 1985 until 24th August 1985 ,with visions of Our Lady and St. Padre Pio .
It doesnt surprise me Our Lady has called a servant of God like Joe Coleman to go there.Its a very peaceful place the grotto near Mount Mellaray Abbey in Waterford. The monks of Mount Mellaray have done some amazing work with people for decades and given great comfort to those in need especially terminally ill.
Mount Mellaray Abbey and the grotto half mile away is also like Knock a very special place of pilgrimage for all to visit.Mount Mellaray grotto is a lovely place to visit on any day to say a prayer ,its not commercial like Knock and anyone can visit no money needed and theres bottles there free to bring home some blessed water from grotto.Whether anyone decides to go to Mount Mellaray on 25th August thats their own personal decision.If they dont go on that date another day I would recommend especially for people who wish to pray for someone sick in family or have some distress in their own lives.

blondie7

patrickk wrote: »

Mount Mellaray in Waterford ,near Cappoquin.There was an apparition there on 16th August 1985 until 24th August 1985 ,with visions of Our Lady and St. Padre Pio .
It doesnt surprise me Our Lady has called a servant of God like Joe Coleman to go there.Its a very peaceful place the grotto near Mount Mellaray Abbey in Waterford. The monks of Mount Mellaray have done some amazing work with people for decades and given great comfort to those in need especially terminally ill.
Mount Mellaray Abbey and the grotto half mile away is also like Knock a very special place of pilgrimage for all to visit.Mount Mellaray grotto is a lovely place to visit on any day to say a prayer ,its not commercial like Knock and anyone can visit no money needed and theres bottles there free to bring home some blessed water from grotto.Whether anyone decides to go to Mount Mellaray on 25th August thats their own personal decision.If they dont go on that date another day I would recommend especially for people who wish to pray for someone sick in family or have some distress in their own lives.

Do you actually believe joe Coleman is for real??

keano_afc

Nobody in their right mind believes Joe Coleman to be real.

patrickk

keano_afc wrote: »

Nobody in their right mind believes Joe Coleman to be real.

Joe Coleman has his personality weaknesses I believe one been ego but the messages he has been relaying through his website do not contradict other visionaries messages worldwide .These messages tell us to go back to God ,nothing insane about that ,many millions if not billions people have been cured of terminal illness,alcoholism(Blessed Matt Talbot been one in 1920's in Dublin),depression,financial woes etc over centuries due to their belief in God and they came from many different religious backgrounds linked to God.St. Padre Pio had stigmata in his hands for 50 years and 3 days ,from 20th September 1918 until 23rd September 1968 .Nobody would in their right mind would believe anything you read in printed media,tabloids,television as George Hook says in ad for Sky television."Sky cares " yah right ! come on people whos mad and whos sane in this world right now eh ?
The people who agree with general consensus or the ones who question it?

o1s1n

patrickk wrote: »

Joe Coleman has his personality weaknesses I believe one been ego but the messages he has been relaying through his website do not contradict other visionaries messages worldwide .These messages tell us to go back to God ,nothing insane about that ,many millions if not billions people have been cured of terminal illness,alcoholism(Blessed Matt Talbot been one in 1920's in Dublin),depression,financial woes etc over centuries due to their belief in God and they came from many different religious backgrounds linked to God.St. Padre Pio had stigmata in his hands for 50 years and 3 days ,from 20th September 1918 until 23rd September 1968 .Nobody would in their right mind would believe anything you read in printed media,tabloids,television as George Hook says in ad for Sky television."Sky cares " yah right ! come on people whos mad and whos sane in this world right now eh ?
The people who agree with general consensus or the ones who question it?

Are you Joe Coleman?

losthorizon

patrickk wrote: »

Mount Mellaray in Waterford ,near Cappoquin.There was an apparition there on 16th August 1985 until 24th August 1985 ,with visions of Our Lady and St. Padre Pio .
It doesnt surprise me Our Lady has called a servant of God like Joe Coleman to go there.Its a very peaceful place the grotto near Mount Mellaray Abbey in Waterford. The monks of Mount Mellaray have done some amazing work with people for decades and given great comfort to those in need especially terminally ill.
Mount Mellaray Abbey and the grotto half mile away is also like Knock a very special place of pilgrimage for all to visit.Mount Mellaray grotto is a lovely place to visit on any day to say a prayer ,its not commercial like Knock and anyone can visit no money needed and theres bottles there free to bring home some blessed water from grotto.Whether anyone decides to go to Mount Mellaray on 25th August thats their own personal decision.If they dont go on that date another day I would recommend especially for people who wish to pray for someone sick in family or have some distress in their own lives.

Isnt Mount Mellaray where they put the child molesting priests? I'm not trying to stir. I live in Waterford and this is what ive heard. I doubt then if its a very holy place at all.

patrickk

o1s1n wrote: »

Are you Joe Coleman?

my name is Patrick?

patrickk

losthorizon wrote: »

Isnt Mount Mellaray where they put the child molesting priests? I'm not trying to stir. I live in Waterford and this is what ive heard. I doubt then if its a very holy place at all.

Ive been down there twice this year for funeral once ,one of monks who died there was 91 when he died and he was there since he was around 24 I think so pretty long time .In his time there this particular monk was actually a great healer and from what I have seen any time I was there the monks are very holy people and have been there all their lives .There are no priests there that I know of but I only have visited there twice this year and before that been 90's .The monastery was closed to public until I think the 80's not sure of dates but since then the monks lead a very devout and sacrificial life .I was talking to one monk there last time I visited and he said he last watched televsion and listened to radio in the late 1960's.
Anyone that goes to Mount Mellaray especially on sunday would tell you its a holy place .One should point out the grotto is separate from the abbey by about half a mile and the monks have never been associated with grotto .They have their own devout spiritual lives in God and would be reserved in what they say about any apparition unless the Pope has endorsed it fully .

Mikefitzs

How many started following Jesus?..... Look what happened there!

blondie7

patrickk wrote: »

Joe Coleman has his personality weaknesses I believe one been ego but the messages he has been relaying through his website do not contradict other visionaries messages worldwide .These messages tell us to go back to God ,nothing insane about that ,many millions if not billions people have been cured of terminal illness,alcoholism(Blessed Matt Talbot been one in 1920's in Dublin),depression,financial woes etc over centuries due to their belief in God and they came from many different religious backgrounds linked to God.St. Padre Pio had stigmata in his hands for 50 years and 3 days ,from 20th September 1918 until 23rd September 1968 .Nobody would in their right mind would believe anything you read in printed media,tabloids,television as George Hook says in ad for Sky television."Sky cares " yah right ! come on people whos mad and whos sane in this world right now eh ?
The people who agree with general consensus or the ones who question it?

Does it not say in the bible that God will never show his powers, and that the Devil will appear as false prophets through apparitions?? So who is to say that these people were cured by God and not satan?? I just find Joe Coleman very shifty looking, he rarely made eye contact with the cameras last night he was shifting around alot. I think the man is a fruitloop!

patrickk

blondie7 wrote: »

Does it not say in the bible that God will never show his powers, and that the Devil will appear as false prophets through apparitions?? So who is to say that these people were cured by God and not satan?? I just find Joe Coleman very shifty looking, he rarely made eye contact with the cameras last night he was shifting around alot. I think the man is a fruitloop!

Joe Coleman says Rosary and has admitted and been witnessed to adore Blessed Sacrament of Eucharist ,Satan if he was inside Joe Coleman or if Joe Coleman was servant of hoofed one would not be able to continue his work .
It has been well documented over centuries that the Rosary is the greatest exorcist for the devil so if he was possessed then he would not be able to say the Rosary .If you were watching the documentary last night you would see a very crucial thing about how healing occurs.Remember the the two young women who have done some spiritual healing with Joe.Joe and them have been taught to consecrate all healing beforehand to God in Spirit and thereafter only to heal body if it is God's will.I dont usually talk about devil unless to banish him in prayer but you should focus more on God and leave devil to his own manipulations .Gods Love throws devil down every single time .The Rosary is most powerful way to do this and noone who follows God can say Rosary with an open heart like the way Joe Coleman does .

blondie7

patrickk wrote: »

Joe Coleman says Rosary and has admitted and been witnessed to adore Blessed Sacrament of Eucharist ,Satan if he was inside Joe Coleman or if Joe Coleman was servant of hoofed one would not be able to continue his work .
It has been well documented over centuries that the Rosary is the greatest exorcist for the devil so if he was possessed then he would not be able to say the Rosary .If you were watching the documentary last night you would see a very crucial thing about how healing occurs.Remember the the two young women who have done some spiritual healing with Joe.Joe and them have been taught to consecrate all healing beforehand to God in Spirit and thereafter only to heal body if it is God's will.I dont usually talk about devil unless to banish him in prayer but you should focus more on God and leave devil to his own manipulations .Gods Love throws devil down every single time .The Rosary is most powerful way to do this and noone who follows God can say Rosary with an open heart like the way Joe Coleman does .

Re-read my post i never said the devil was in joe Coleman, i said the man was a fruitloop. If you stare long enough at the sun your going to see things happen because your destroying your eyes! I refer to the devil because it is written in the bible that the devil will appear as false prophets through apparitions and he will show his power. Im sayng all the people who have been cured at lourde and knock etc may actually have been cured by the devil and not God.

patrickk

I have to go to do some work but all I say to you lads is "By their fruits so shall ye know them"
This quote is true in all respects in life .You will always know good people by their actions .The attack on Joe Coleman in recent months can only last for a period of time until people realise that there is something wrong with the fact that so many people are against him .Why is that?
What did Joe Coleman ever do to so many people in their lives they feel the need to broadcast how much they hate him and analyse his life with fine toothcomb,he has faults like all of us .Can we not get our heads around the fact that God might have chosen a lowly person like he did with other visionaries in Fatima and Medjugorje to relay his message.Joe Coleman is not God and neither is any of us but I tell ya anytime a visionary like this comes out into the world I do listen and observe with a reserved heart.The more he is persecuted the more it looks to me he has a concerted attack on him for reason other than our own little observances on Joe Coleman's little faults in his life .
A lot of people have been wrong to throw the first stone into circle when it comes to Joe Coleman ,time will show he speaks what God has shown through intercession of Our Lady .Joe Coleman saw Our Lady in Medjugorje and on 25th August 2010 i'm sure he will see Our Lady too. I have never seen Our Lady but I have felt Love that comes from Her anyone who goes to these apparition sites feels this is varying degrees depending on what state their mind is in ,emotionally and spiritually.I dont see what would harm anyone going to see Joe Coleman on 25th August in Mount Mellaraywould cause them .If you have a free day that day or not working why not go ,you certainly will have a good day out .

patrickk

blondie7 wrote: »

Re-read my post i never said the devil was in joe Coleman, i said the man was a fruitloop. If you stare long enough at the sun your going to see things happen because your destroying your eyes! I refer to the devil because it is written in the bible that the devil will appear as false prophets through apparitions and he will show his power. Im sayng all the people who have been cured at lourde and knock etc may actually have been cured by the devil and not God.

Look I dont stare at sun ,Joe Coleman is not about staring at the sun ,theres no point in focusing on that argument .I saw sun dance and spin on 11th October 2009,31st October 2009 and again last week it did this for brief period not as strong as last year .The miracle of sun is a trademark of all apparitions of Our Lady.The same thing happened in Fatima and witnessed by 70,000 people as does miracle of sun happen very regular in Medjugorje.There are lot of myths about miracle of the sun.Of course I as person who studied science for many years know all too well dangers of staring into sun but when apparitions take place one can stare at sun for brief period of time maybe 15 mins ,and it is obvious when the miracle is over because sun returns to normal intensity .
I'm not going to go on about devil because i said its futile talking about devil ,all healing comes from God when on holy ground,consecrated ground .This ground has been blessed by God Himself through Jesus and Our Mother in heaven Our Lady .Another thing which has been proven in theology is the devil can mimic the passion of Jesus but he is forbidden from coming as Our Lady .
All apparition sites pray the Rosary which have pointed out is greatest exorcist of the devils darkness in peoples lives which causes sickness and death,so it is of no coincidence that a site which is holy ground where many thousands come to pray the Rosary is blessed with miracles from time to time .

blondie7

patrickk wrote: »

I have to go to do some work but all I say to you lads is "By their fruits so shall ye know them"
This quote is true in all respects in life .You will always know good people by their actions .The attack on Joe Coleman in recent months can only last for a period of time until people realise that there is something wrong with the fact that so many people are against him .Why is that?
What did Joe Coleman ever do to so many people in their lives they feel the need to broadcast how much they hate him and analyse his life with fine toothcomb,he has faults like all of us .Can we not get our heads around the fact that God might have chosen a lowly person like he did with other visionaries in Fatima and Medjugorje to relay his message.Joe Coleman is not God and neither is any of us but I tell ya anytime a visionary like this comes out into the world I do listen and observe with a reserved heart.The more he is persecuted the more it looks to me he has a concerted attack on him for reason other than our own little observances on Joe Coleman's little faults in his life .
A lot of people have been wrong to throw the first stone into circle when it comes to Joe Coleman ,time will show he speaks what God has shown through intercession of Our Lady .Joe Coleman saw Our Lady in Medjugorje and on 25th August 2010 i'm sure he will see Our Lady too. I have never seen Our Lady but I have felt Love that comes from Her anyone who goes to these apparition sites feels this is varying degrees depending on what state their mind is in ,emotionally and spiritually.I dont see what would harm anyone going to see Joe Coleman on 25th August in Mount Mellaraywould cause them .If you have a free day that day or not working why not go ,you certainly will have a good day out .

I think the previous poster who asked were you Joe Coleman was right. I for one will be staying away on August 25th!

keano_afc

patrickk wrote: »

.Another thing which has been proven in theology is the devil can mimic the passion of Jesus but he is forbidden from coming as Our Lady .

Can you elaborate on this?

miju

patrickk wrote: »

come on people whos mad and whos sane in this world right now eh ?
The people who agree with general consensus or the ones who question it?

Well I believe in Padre Pio I do not believe in Joe "Our Mother Will Be Popping Over To Knock At 3:25pm on the 11th Feb For A Quick Chat" Coleman. I personally feel Joe Coleman is an outrageous affront to the genuine people touched and given gifts by the lord over the years. Knock management are right to deny him access to the Basillica for his "visions&quote;. In fact I had to rewind the TV a few times at his nonchalont declaration that he has "ascended to heaven body & soul a few times now". Now I'm sorry but thats a touch too far. It's a shame that he attracts so many followers and lifted their faith only to dash their faith not long afterwards as was seen clear in the doc from last night as the numbers attending each apparition consistentantly dropped from the previous and that trend continued.

patrickk wrote: »

It has been well documented over centuries that the Rosary is the greatest exorcist for the devil so if he was possessed then he would not be able to say the Rosary .

Hmmm I could have sworn that the prayer actually documented over the centuries as exorcising Satan is the Prayer of St. Michael against Satan and the Apostate Angels. Though IIRC from my studies prior to 1890 it was a different prayer known as Sancte (cant remeber second word) but since 1890 when Pope Leo pronounced the restored latin prayer it has been.
Also while it does say IIRC somewhere abouts Luke 10:1 to 10:17 that the Lord can annoint and commision others to expel demons and spread the word of god I just dont see that word being spread in Joe Coleman even how he speaks. What clear message does he actually try to convey ????

miju

patrickk wrote: »

I'm not going to go on about devil because i said its futile talking about devil ,all healing comes from God when on holy ground,consecrated ground .

ahem you may be mistaken there and I'll quote a Revelations 16 piece here:For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,
I can go on here as in Corinthians 11 it is written "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

MargeS

I felt the Knock priest had the right answer to all this discussion. He said that our faith wasn't based on apparitions, or something along those lines.

If you have faith, you don't need someone like Joe. I don't understand why people go running to Lourdes/Knock/Medjugorje/Fatima with beads wrapped around their hands. A rosary in your own home is just as affective.

patrickk

I could roll back into background but the impression I'm getting here is that people are looking for an excuse not to go back to God.Noone is forcing anyone to go to Knock or Medjugorje its their own personal choice.If Joe Coleman dispappeared off face of earth tomorrow my faith with still be with Jesus and the Rosary and of course the Holy Scapular.It would be no harm in people reading the diary of St. Faustina it would give much better insight into prayer as I was lapsed catholic for years and have only come back to church in last 2 years again,not because of anyone except I made decision myself to return to God's calling which He calls us all to do.I don't think there is anything wrong with the messages Joe Coleman receives if you read them they tell you how to pray to God with more fervour thats all its not that hard to do.

patrickk

MargeS wrote: »

I felt the Knock priest had the right answer to all this discussion. He said that our faith wasn't based on apparitions, or something along those lines.

If you have faith, you don't need someone like Joe. I don't understand why people go running to Lourdes/Knock/Medjugorje/Fatima with beads wrapped around their hands. A rosary in your own home is just as affective.

Finally someone with something which makes sense God bless you and you pray the Rosary every day thats all these messages are saying .

miju

patrickk wrote: »

I could roll back into background but the impression I'm getting here is that people are looking for an excuse not to go back to God.

No one here is looking for an excuse not to go back to god for example I know blondie7 incredibly well and she has utmost faith in Our Lord as I do.I supposed we're just not being Dogmatic like yourself appears to be.

patrickk

miju wrote: »

ahem you may be mistaken there and I'll quote a Revelations 16 piece here:For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,
I can go on here as in Corinthians 11 it is written "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

Well if you're going to start quoting bible scripture then i'm no expert on this so cannot argue with you there ,but what I would say on this is there can be no true healing only from God if it comes from devil it will return whatever illness physical or mental to them later .God's healing is absolute and will transform a person's life for better and their way of life will change because they are filled with Holy Spirit.Only through the Holy Spirit can healing be absolute which comes from God.Through Holy Spirit and consecration to Jesus we become as one with God and we strive to do that every day through prayer and I believe the Rosary achieves this if we pray it with an OPEN HEART.

chilloutman

how is that dublin scumbag shyster getting away with conning so many people, what an evil evil man!

patrickk

miju wrote: »

Well I believe in Padre Pio I do not believe in Joe "Our Mother Will Be Popping Over To Knock At 3:25pm on the 11th Feb For A Quick Chat" Coleman. I personally feel Joe Coleman is an outrageous affront to the genuine people touched and given gifts by the lord over the years. Knock management are right to deny him access to the Basillica for his "visions&quote;. In fact I had to rewind the TV a few times at his nonchalont declaration that he has "ascended to heaven body & soul a few times now". Now I'm sorry but thats a touch too far. It's a shame that he attracts so many followers and lifted their faith only to dash their faith not long afterwards as was seen clear in the doc from last night as the numbers attending each apparition consistentantly dropped from the previous and that trend continued.
Hmmm I could have sworn that the prayer actually documented over the centuries as exorcising Satan is the Prayer of St. Michael against Satan and the Apostate Angels. Though IIRC from my studies prior to 1890 it was a different prayer known as Sancte (cant remeber second word) but since 1890 when Pope Leo pronounced the restored latin prayer it has been.
Also while it does say IIRC somewhere abouts Luke 10:1 to 10:17 that the Lord can annoint and commision others to expel demons and spread the word of god I just dont see that word being spread in Joe Coleman even how he speaks. What clear message does he actually try to convey ????

You're correct about prayer to St. Michael but noone should be refused to pray the Rosary in any church no matter what people think of a person as I said before Joe Coleman has and still has right to pray in church .there is no reason for division here we are all worshipping the one true God who is creator of us all and the earth.

patrickk

miju wrote: »

No one here is looking for an excuse not to go back to god for example I know blondie7 incredibly well and she has utmost faith in Our Lord as I do.I supposed we're just not being Dogmatic like yourself appears to be.

Well you're both grand so if i come across as dogmatic then thats me saying sorry to both of ye but if dogma means defending a man who is been unjustly accused of certain things then i will gladly stand before God and say Yes Lord I defended him because the world has been deceived into thinking he is false prophet or work of devil.I have done this many times in my life and will continue to do so .There are many temptations and deceptions hitting us every day in our lives what we as nation and as people need to do is stand back and decide which are true and which are false.Only through prayer with Jesus and union with God will we be able to decipher them ,there is no other way to combat deception in our hearts and minds and eventually all Truth will come out .The Lord Jesus said:
"Seek the Truth and the Truth will set you free"
There is more wisdom in that sentence than any man can work out .

Fanny Cradock

chilloutman wrote: »

how is that dublin scumbag shyster getting away with conning so many people, what an evil evil man!

Let's not be too nasty!

irishconvert

patrickk wrote: »

I defended him because the world has been deceived into thinking he is false prophet or work of devil.I have done this many times in my life and will continue to do so

Do you believe Joe Coleman is a prophet?

keano_afc

irishconvert wrote: »

Do you believe Joe Coleman is a profit?

FYP :P

Mikefitzs

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Let's not be too nasty!

I agree.

cruiser_cork

Has anyone considered that he might not be lying. What about if he is telling the truth? People are very quick to be negative and judgemental.

patrickk

irishconvert wrote: »

Do you believe Joe Coleman is a prophet?

I believe Our Lady is coming to him and giving him messages for us all to listen to not just catholics the same way the visionaries in Medjugorje have received messages to convey to the world .If he is or not a prophet thats not my decision to make thats for ultimately a vatican commission to decide in the next few years .I want to make it abundantly clear that I do not worship anyone except God and have not or said that anyone should worship Joe Coleman .I have respect for the message that he conveys because I find the messages to be symphony with catholicism.

JimiTime

cruiser_cork wrote: »

Has anyone considered that he might not be lying. What about if he is telling the truth? People are very quick to be negative and judgemental.

TBH, I listened to his ambiguous ramblings, even though I already knew he did fortune telling 'readings'. He is a liar. Thankfully, he's a very bad one. Thankfully also, we have the bible to test him with, which testifies against this horrid deciever of a man!

cruiser_cork

JimiTime wrote: »

TBH, I listened to his ambiguous ramblings, even though I already knew he did fortune telling 'readings'. He is a liar. Thankfully, he's a very bad one. Thankfully also, we have the bible to test him with, which testifies against this horrid deciever of a man!

You have no proof he is a liar though. Just like I have no proof he is telling the truth. But its very easy for people to think the worst straightaway. Its the easier option.

patrickk

JimiTime wrote: »

TBH, I listened to his ambiguous ramblings, even though I already knew he did fortune telling 'readings'. He is a liar. Thankfully, he's a very bad one. Thankfully also, we have the bible to test him with, which testifies against this horrid deciever of a man!

I'm no bible scholar only know a fraction of what Id say you have Jimi by the sounds of it .Id say it would take half hour to read Our Lady's messages on the site that was setup by volunteers on the site www.knockapparitions.com
http://www.knockapparitions.com/divine-messages.
I suspect you will find no contradiction in what is said in the bible but thats small little challenge for you in your spare time and come back to us with result ,I think thats fair enough since you have called him a deceiver. Show me the deceit .
Remember this these messages are coming from God and not Joe Coleman so you should give them the respect they deserve and then make your judgement and come back to me with your quotes and references ,and tell me Joe Coleman is in contradiction to the bible which is the Word of the one True God.

Baggio1

Don't want to be tooo hard on anyone,,,but in fairness

Joe IF genuine should know fortune telling and stuff like that is forbidden in church law and our Lady would NEVER encourage such anti church behaviour, just as she would never appear during mass time to take people away from the holy mass and blessed sacrament, who's he kidding with this stuff??

Yeah its easy to ramble on with talk about the rosary and our lady's requests as he has lots of ready used material to draw on, yes God could use ANY sort of person, look at goood ol St.Paul?? total Christain hater etc before being converted - but thats the difference he was totally loyal to God after that, Joe keeps going against the church sowing disunion, and all through all the previous apparations in history, Our Lady always asked any vissionaries to obey the Bishop and local clergy.

St.Michael's prayer??...yeahh its the best for excorsism and is used during such things, the Rosary is a great prayer, Joe should maybe say the St.Michael prayer a few times a day too!,....might just sort him out

Mountmellary is a fine place and the monks there are veryyy good people, pity this lad is bringing his circus to town there now....Joe ? - get a life!!

ciao' amigos...Baggio....

patrickk

Baggio1 wrote: »

Don't want to be tooo hard on anyone,,,but in fairness

Joe IF genuine should know fortune telling and stuff like that is forbidden in church law and our Lady would NEVER encourage such anti church behaviour, just as she would never appear during mass time to take people away from the holy mass and blessed sacrament, who's he kidding with this stuff??

Yeah its easy to ramble on with talk about the rosary and our lady's requests as he has lots of ready used material to draw on, yes God could use ANY sort of person, look at goood ol St.Paul?? total Christain hater etc before being converted - but thats the difference he was totally loyal to God after that, Joe keeps going against the church sowing disunion, and all through all the previous apparations in history, Our Lady always asked any vissionaries to obey the Bishop and local clergy.

St.Michael's prayer??...yeahh its the best for excorsism and is used during such things, the Rosary is a great prayer, Joe should maybe say the St.Michael prayer a few times a day too!,....might just sort him out

Mountmellary is a fine place and the monks there are veryyy good people, pity this lad is bringing his circus to town there now....Joe ? - get a life!!

ciao' amigos...Baggio....

This is not a time for division thats work of evil.Joe Coleman was not allowed to enter apparition church or any church to pray the Rosary .Thats not Joe going against the church thats the church stopping a man praying before God .Noone has right to do that in the church.The Church belongs to God.The people who believe in God have a right before God to pray in His House.This country has been divided because of our beliefs many times in last few centuries and wasnt long ago ,men and women had to sneak off into forest or beside blessed wells to have mass said.Are we going back to those days again when people have to hide to praise God.Those who went to witness to Joe's apparition in Knock on the previous occasions ,prayed the Rosary to a priest shouting over an intercom from the Basilica which is a disgrace ,noone has mentioned this in the media at all.On 14th July 2010 the very moment the Rosary was started the priest intercom tried to drown out those saying the Rosary next to confession chapel (btw not car park as reported incorrectly in the papers).The 200 or so people there including myself had to say prayers louder successfully so we could not hear priest shouting over the intercom .I'm not trying to cause any division in the church but those who attend with Joe are not circus freaks as you suggest.We are real people with very strong devotion to God.The Rosary is a powerful prayer against evil in the world as laid out by many saints since 1214 when the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to St. Dominc and to St. Simon Stock on July 16 1251 when in her hand she held the Brown Scapular.On October 13 1917 Our lady appeared to children with the Brown Scapular in her hand .There is a consistent theme in all these apparitions and anyone who prays the Rosary will never make a circus of any Marian Shrine .The proceedings always are civilised will be i'm sure as well on 25th August 2010 also .

cruiser_cork

If more people pray as a result of this, shur whats the harm.

Baggio1

Patrick yur missing the point -

you may all be well meaning devoted people..BUT... its not a matter of "having a right to go into a church" its a matter of humility!..which Joe sadly lacks,,an have listened carefully to him on radio etc the arrogance and aggression are a dead give away of someone not being of Our Lords team! or at least self dillusional.

Again the most subtle desceptions are always about and its easy to get carried away i checked the website links you posted and overall theres no harm in the so called messages but then i spot a serious error and man its such a dead give away!!

in the bottom message theres a line where Our Lady supposedly tells joe - "Pray for the lost souls in Purgatory" ummm since when are souls in Purgatory lost???...they are already sure of salvation and are merely going through final purification, they are in NO way lost...and Our Lady handed him that line!?!?...thats bolloney... I'd imagine she'd know a bit about the difference between souls in purgatory and the souls of the lost/dammed in hell!,,,dont you???

check it for yourself and really have a serious think about whats going on here...am no saint myself...but thankfully have a sense of bolloney when i see/hear it...and yes the priest in knock IS right - our faith is NOT based on apparations even tho i like you and many others do find such claims interesting, sometimes awe inspiring and other times sooo annoying coz the the whole picture sometimes just doesnt stand up.

ciao'...Baggio.....

liamw

chilloutman wrote: »

how is that dublin scumbag shyster getting away with conning so many people, what an evil evil man!

I guess some people will fall for anything...

On a seperate note, patrickk you should advise Joe Coleman to participate in James Randi's $1 million challenge. You could take a share for yourself, you seem to think there's a chance he has supernatural abilities, worth it no?

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

patrickk

cruiser_cork wrote: »

If more people pray as a result of this, shur whats the harm.

Id agree with you there wholeheartedly .Great city and county Cork btw

patrickk

liamw wrote: »

I guess some people will fall for anything...

On a seperate note, patrickk you should advise Joe Coleman to participate in James Randi's $1 million challenge. You could take a share for yourself, you seem to think there's a chance he has supernatural abilities, worth it no?

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Thats not relevant for me and I'm sure Joe Coleman would dismiss it also .You dont need money like this ,thats problem with way this world is greed is root of all evil.Its back to simple life now for everyone with this recession going on.The love of money will always lead to destruction and division in this world as we have seen and see every day now in media .

patrickk

Baggio1 wrote: »

Patrick yur missing the point -

you may all be well meaning devoted people..BUT... its not a matter of "having a right to go into a church" its a matter of humility!..which Joe sadly lacks,,an have listened carefully to him on radio etc the arrogance and aggression are a dead give away of someone not being of Our Lords team! or at least self dillusional.

Again the most subtle desceptions are always about and its easy to get carried away i checked the website links you posted and overall theres no harm in the so called messages but then i spot a serious error and man its such a dead give away!!

in the bottom message theres a line where Our Lady supposedly tells joe - "Pray for the lost souls in Purgatory" ummm since when are souls in Purgatory lost???...they are already sure of salvation and are merely going through final purification, they are in NO way lost...and Our Lady handed him that line!?!?...thats bolloney... I'd imagine she'd know a bit about the difference between souls in purgatory and the souls of the lost/dammed in hell!,,,dont you???

check it for yourself and really have a serious think about whats going on here...am no saint myself...but thankfully have a sense of bolloney when i see/hear it...and yes the priest in knock IS right - our faith is NOT based on apparations even tho i like you and many others do find such claims interesting, sometimes awe inspiring and other times sooo annoying coz the the whole picture sometimes just doesnt stand up.

ciao'...Baggio.....

I'm not missing any point am hearing what you're saying and understand your point of view .I can't speak for Joe and his reaction on especially Joe Duffy show but I would suspect this is due to his frustration with peoples downright condemnation at what he was saying .Therein I heard interview same as we all did but as I said before Joe is a human being like us all prone to same emotions as us all that necessarily doesnt mean that he is delusional.Can you not see he has not benefitted from continuing his work that Our Lady has asked him to do and continues to ask him to do .Would you have dealt with it any better if you had whole lay population ridiculing you .That in itself is a great pressure that one has to handle with .Frustated I'm sure he was and he has got over that and the error of reacting the way he did .Of course the human reaction from him was defensive but did you find that he has changed watched the documentary over last year .

As regards Lost souls in Purgatory its your interpretation of lost which is incorrect .Lost means in relation to Purgatory not lost to condemnation but lost in spirit there is a major difference as you can see from this thesaurus link ,there many uses of word lost :
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lost

and you did see series on television LOST ,were they lost? in final episode no it was their final redemption.The word lost can mean confused also .
In other words the lost used in this context refers to a soul in Purgatory who is :
"unable to find one's way or ascertain one's whereabouts"
There are many books on Purgatory which explain in greater detail the state of mind and soul in Purgatory .All the souls in Purgatory have to be purified before entering heaven and the soul in Purgatory can have same suffering as hell as described in St. Faustina's diary but the big difference is the soul goes with an open heart for to be purified so as to enter heaven.

I agree with on your last point that faith is not based on apparitions but it certainly reassures people of existence of God and the miracles that have happened in many Marian sites including Knock and Medjugorje which help people to have faith again in God .
What I would not agree with is a priest in Knock saying that "Our faith is not based on apparitions " which is hypocritical since he would not have a career there only for 1879 apparition so he has right to make that statement which doesn't make sense coming from a priest who exists there in his ministry because of the very special apparition in 1879 which I might add is unique to any apparition ever in the world .There is no apparition ever like this showing the Lamb of God and also that no verbal message was given .It was purely visual.
I agree with you to question everything about Joe Coleman but still the messages I believe are from God and in context do not contradict catholicism or bible .We can all stand up and judge Joe Coleman but the messages will continue and do not find anything wrong with messages they are call back to God and prayer .Before we thrown the first stone we first have to sort ourselves out .Are we any better than Joe Coleman ,are we more pure than him or anyone else .The most important thing I have discovered through prayer is if we don't change our own hearts the world will not find peace .If we don't have true peace and union with God in our hearts then there will not be peace in the world and God's plan is for peace in the world and through His mercy he will continue to allow it go on for only so long and then there will be no mercy left for us .Then in years or decades to come He will be Just Judge not Merciful Judge.
I'm not saying my point of view is perfect i'm just saying there are two sides to every coin .
I will tell you a story I heard once about this guy in my local village who was cycling home one night late and he was knocked down by a car killed stone dead when ambulance came they smelled drink of whiskey off him both the ambulance crew and guards who arrived on the scene.
The initial assumption was the man on the bicycle was drunk and guards were going to leave the man in car off scot free .
The family of the man on bicycle insisted he was a recovering alcoholic but he didnt have drink on that night and was in fact sober for many years .
An autopsy was called and proved he had zero alcohol in his system .
In fact the driver of the car was drunk but people on the scene were too quick to judge the victim of the accident so the driver of the car escaped drink driving causing death to an innocent man .The man had smell of drink on him due to car hit him with bottle of whiskey on back of his bike for brother at home who sent him out to get the bottle because he had drink taken .The guards discovered afterwards the broken remnants of the bottle in field beside where collision took place days later .
We are all quick to judge these days ,the wise nature in us all should be slower to judge those around us .

Paparazzo

patrickk wrote: »

Thats not relevant for me and I'm sure Joe Coleman would dismiss it also .You dont need money like this ,thats problem with way this world is greed is root of all evil.Its back to simple life now for everyone with this recession going on.The love of money will always lead to destruction and division in this world as we have seen and see every day now in media .

On the joe duffy show, Joe said he was on the dole and claming disability since 1986. He also said he was very busy doing readings for people in ballyfermot which loads of people rang in and said he charged for. And on the show on TV yesterday he said he doesn't pay tax on this income! So it seems to me, Joe is fond of making a few quid. Do you really think he wouldn't do the Randi challenge if he could? He could donate the money to a charity and save thousands of lives. His book is available here for just under €10 too. He also mentioned on the show the cost to go to Knock and Croatia. Strange that such a man, who's been given such important information would even mention the cost of getting there!
And how many people has Joe healed? He said on the show it's a healer. I hope it's more than 5, because he's directly responsible for causing serious eye damage to 5 people. I hope he gets into positive figures.

a leading eye consultant revealed five patients had been treated for serious eye damage in the aftermath of the gathering at the Knock Shrine. Leading blindness charities have warned the pilgrims of the dangers of looking at the sun and the sight of unusual phenomena in the sky could be a sign of eye damage.
Bernard Jennings, Chair of Fight for Sight, warned looking directly at the sun caused blindness as it would burn the nervous tissue of the retina.
“This cannot be repaired or replaced,” he said

And that's just one appearence, I'm guessing a few people get serious eye damage every time joe gets his "followers" to look at the sun.

Joe says he doesn't care what Our Lady says, he'll do it. Is it not slightly worrying that a guy is going around the country saying he'll do whatever these voices are telling him to do?

Baggio1

Patrick...

Ok look in the interest of fairness,,yes i agree judging condemming people whilly/nilly is not a good thing..but i do stand over what i have said about what he is saying/doing....yes ok to say apparations are not what our faith is based on in Knock!!! does have a bit of irony about it for sure,...but overall,.,,,we need to be prudent and very carefull in believing all we hear from visionaries etc.

I stand over what i said about that quote apparantly from Our Lady....in noooo wayyy are the souls in purgatory lost, and they would never be reffered to as "lost" by Our Lady,,,sorry i just dont accept that, you dont need any explanations of words meaning on that one...its just a total worng termonology that someone from heaven *where everybody is perfect, thanx to the biatic vision* would never use...coz they cantt get it wrong.

Hey I'd love if the world was ful of acurate and true visionaries, we need all the help we can get especially in these times, when all the signs seem to read as end times on the way very soon, but again we cant accept anybody who comes forward claiming to be a visionary when we're not certain,,, again the aggression? - sure its understandable with media questions and lay people attitudes/questions etc.. BUT i cant remember any instances where the true visionaries in fatima, garabandal, knock , Lourdes -S.t.Bernadette etc showed ANY aggression no matter what way the were treated etc

so again ive nothing personal against this guy and am open to new visionaries and their messages,,but something just feels wrong with this guy and i cant pretend it doesnt.

ciaop'....Baggio...

patrickk

Paparazzo wrote: »

On the joe duffy show, Joe said he was on the dole and claming disability since 1986. He also said he was very busy doing readings for people in ballyfermot which loads of people rang in and said he charged for. And on the show on TV yesterday he said he doesn't pay tax on this income! So it seems to me, Joe is fond of making a few quid. Do you really think he wouldn't do the Randi challenge if he could? He could donate the money to a charity and save thousands of lives. His book is available here for just under €10 too. He also mentioned on the show the cost to go to Knock and Croatia. Strange that such a man, who's been given such important information would even mention the cost of getting there!
And how many people has Joe healed? He said on the show it's a healer. I hope it's more than 5, because he's directly responsible for causing serious eye damage to 5 people. I hope he gets into positive figures.

And that's just one appearence, I'm guessing a few people get serious eye damage every time joe gets his "followers" to look at the sun.

Joe says he doesn't care what Our Lady says, he'll do it. Is it not slightly worrying that a guy is going around the country saying he'll do whatever these voices are telling him to do?

If you want to know more about miracle of sun then i would suggest you read about Fatima where 70,000 people witnessed this .The Apparitions at Medjugorje every month coincide also with a miracle off the sun and anyone who has been to Medjugorje have witnessed this miracle also from all over the world .I can only speak for myself and I have witnessed the miracle of sun at Knock on 11th October 2009,31st October 2009 and 14th July 2010.My eyes are fine but I wasnt staring at the sun when the miracle of the sun was NOT occurring .I suspect this is what happened to the few cases in Knock of the thousands of people who have witnessed it in Knock on any time Joe Coleman was there for an apparition.I took video footage of it but it did not come through on camera .The miracle can only be seen when there .So what you have not seen yourself you cannot judge only what the media have portrayed to you .I would like to add the video footage on youtube doesn't show the miracle of sun as I saw it especially on dates of 11th October and 31st October 2009 .There are video clips on youtube which catch somewhat this miracle in Medjugorje better than Knock but as I said before it doesn't seem to be caught 100% on any video footage I have seen.It can only be seen in its entirety by witnessing it at these apparition sites when an apparition is occurring or just occurred .Why this is the case is a miracle in itself as it proves it is supernatural in origin and cannot be put on film.
Joe Coleman is not hearing voices the messages are given to him in state of ecstasy like all other visionaries over centuries with full vision of Our Lady when he is this state.Mirjana in Medjugorje physically behaves in the same way as Joe Coleman does when the vision occurs .What state of vision this is cannot be explained by our science and only the visionaries can explain this so i wont attempt to explain it but this visionary state is well documented in many books and documentaries not just in Joe Coleman's book.
If we as nation start to charge a healing man tax for saving someone from terminal illness then there will have to be a witch hunt for many other healing centres around this country and abroad .
If you were a close friend of someone who was cured by a faith healer who gave you healing from God as healing only comes from God would you be so quick to call for having him taxed on his earnings .How much should a person be charged tax wise for healing a blind man as compared to maybe one dying of cancer .Joe and many other faith healers in this country only heal by intervention of God.
Someone would mention the cost of going anywhere because maybe they don't have it .Do you think Joe Coleman is a rich man ?
His book is 10 euro which he talks about the messages .I don't know anything about it I didnt buy it and I'm sure with bad press he will make millions anyway so he wont need to do the randi challenge whatever that is I didnt even look at the link it has no relevancy to this conversation .
You don't need to buy the book to read the messages the website knockapparitions was setup by volunteers purely for to relay messages mainly because I remember last year around November many false accounts of the dates for apparaitions and messages were been distributed on forum groups by people who had no association with Joe Coleman and just did it for a laugh I guess .Thats in my opinion the reason why the website was setup as central point for people to read the messages and not fabricated ones.

patrickk

Baggio1 wrote: »

Patrick...

Ok look in the interest of fairness,,yes i agree judging condemming people whilly/nilly is not a good thing..but i do stand over what i have said about what he is saying/doing....yes ok to say apparations are not what our faith is based on in Knock!!! does have a bit of irony about it for sure,...but overall,.,,,we need to be prudent and very carefull in believing all we hear from visionaries etc.

I stand over what i said about that quote apparantly from Our Lady....in noooo wayyy are the souls in purgatory lost, and they would never be reffered to as "lost" by Our Lady,,,sorry i just dont accept that, you dont need any explanations of words meaning on that one...its just a total worng termonology that someone from heaven *where everybody is perfect, thanx to the biatic vision* would never use...coz they cantt get it wrong.

Hey I'd love if the world was ful of acurate and true visionaries, we need all the help we can get especially in these times, when all the signs seem to read as end times on the way very soon, but again we cant accept anybody who comes forward claiming to be a visionary when we're not certain,,, again the aggression? - sure its understandable with media questions and lay people attitudes/questions etc.. BUT i cant remember any instances where the true visionaries in fatima, garabandal, knock , Lourdes -S.t.Bernadette etc showed ANY aggression no matter what way the were treated etc

so again ive nothing personal against this guy and am open to new visionaries and their messages,,but something just feels wrong with this guy and i cant pretend it doesnt.

ciaop'....Baggio...

I'm not going to criticise you on what you said as you have obviously looked into other visionaries and so you have more than a lot of other people posting on boards.ie at least have more knowledge of what occurred which is a good thing so accept your opinion even though I myself would look at it differently since I was there in Knock four times in last year and was an ardent observer .I believe these messages are from God though the lost in purgatory is common term used when praying for souls in Purgatory thats my interpretation of it .Here is link just found which shows many people pray for lost souls in Purgatory.
http://www.art-wallpaper.com/22754/Steudner+Johann/Prayer+on+behalf+of+lost+souls+in+purgatory?Width=1024&Height=768

As such I'm lost for words or maybe lost because its late and am going to bed God bless us all.