Kerry to Dublin train hits herd of cattle

Heisenberg.

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robbie_998

They really should've mooooooved out of the way :pac:

phasers

dowlingm

Don't tell me that's ANOTHER 22K going to be laid up for months! Let's not forget what happened to the first Mk4 when it was on trials - that took a LONG time to repair...

glanman

dowlingm wrote: »

Don't tell me that's ANOTHER 22K going to be laid up for months! Let's not forget what happened to the first Mk4 when it was on trials - that took a LONG time to repair...

Who gives a f**k about the train, what about them animals killed here and the farmer who has lost some of his herd...

Thankfully nobody has been hurt on the train as far as can be made out

markpb

glanman wrote: »

Who gives a f**k about the train, what about them animals killed here and the farmer who has lost some of his herd... Thankfully nobody has been hurt on the train as far as can be made out

a) I suspect the train is worth an awful lot more than a few cows.

b) There will be more expense if the train has to be repaired and is kept out of service for a while.

c) It's the farmers legal responsibility to properly fence his land and stop his animals getting onto the track. so there's a good chance it's his own fault his cows were struck.

Judgement Day

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/travel_alerts.asp?action=view&news_id=850

Train able to continue according to the above so it can't have been too bad - I wouldn't like to have been the driver of a 22000 meeting a herd of cattle.

Run_to_da_hills

The Cattle mustn’t have herd the train coming.

Chris_5339762

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Cattle mustn’t have herd the train coming.

robbie_998 wrote: »

They really should've mooooooved out of the way :pac:

God you two are milking this one for all its worth.

mk6705

That sounds pretty horrible. It must have created a bit of a mess. The train must be ok I guess though. This is a Sunday only service so I'm not sure which route it normally serves but it should be two three car sets.

Run_to_da_hills

Judgement Day wrote: »

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/travel_alerts.asp?action=view&news_id=850

Train able to continue according to the above so it can't have been too bad - I wouldn't like to have been the driver of a 22000 meeting a herd of cattle.

Faring replacement, probably cost an arm and a leg.

foggy_lad

Sunday service so probably happened at a gated farm crossing and would't surprise me if the farmer rang the appropriate number to check for oncoming trains only to get no answer because the solitary operator was on a break or in the loo. This has happened all to often before usually with the cork train!

dowlingm

Hopefully it will all come out in the RAIU report?

Run_to_da_hills

foggy_lad wrote: »

Sunday service so probably happened at a gated farm crossing and would't surprise me if the farmer rang the appropriate number to check for oncoming trains only to get no answer because the solitary operator was on a break or in the loo. This has happened all to often before usually with the cork train!

No excuse, if there was any doubt he shouldnt have gone near the line, even if he followed a time table, trains get delayed.

Oliver1985

robbie_998 wrote: »

They really should've mooooooved out of the way :pac:

Get your coat!!!

foggy_lad

But when Irish rail offer a 24/7 service to check that there are no changes delays etc surely they should employ the proper number of staff to man the phones? The only dangers here are created by Irish rail who again would rather have customers put through an abbattoir type situation rather than spend a bit on customer and farmer safety! WOuld you be saying the same if the farmer was also killed?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No excuse, if there was any doubt he shouldnt have gone near the line, even if he followed a time table, trains get delayed.

highlydebased

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No excuse, if there was any doubt he shouldnt have gone near the line, even if he followed a time table, trains get delayed.

Perhaps the cows made their way onto the track of their own accord?

Stonewolf

Neon-Circles wrote: »

Perhaps the cows made their way onto the track of their own accord?

In which case the farmer is at fault for not erecting a barrier sufficient to prevent them doing so.

Capt'n Midnight

Scien wrote: »

Just got a text off my mate saying the Kerry to Dublin train has hit a herd of cattle outside Thurles. Apparently one is stuck under the train and they are awaiting maintenance.

they can fix cows - wow

Run_to_da_hills

Neon-Circles wrote: »

Perhaps the cows made their way onto the track of their own accord?

That would be his problem, in the old days if a motorist hit a car the motorist paid, that has changed. It is up to the farmers now to secure their cattle. Its also up to the farmer to make sure he has third party liability insurance for his livestock, I am not sure if this is compulsory but they would be fools not to have it.

Ham'nd'egger

foggy_lad wrote: »

But when Irish rail offer a 24/7 service to check that there are no changes delays etc surely they should employ the proper number of staff to man the phones? The only dangers here are created by Irish rail who again would rather have customers put through an abbattoir type situation rather than spend a bit on customer and farmer safety! WOuld you be saying the same if the farmer was also killed?

Where on earth do you get this rubbish about a phone not being answered being a factor in this crash? :mad:

markpb

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

they can fix cows - wow

Yes, they're called vets.

Capt'n Midnight

glanman wrote: »

Who gives a f**k about the train, what about them animals killed here and the farmer who has lost some of his herd...

Thankfully nobody has been hurt on the train as far as can be made out

Does the farmer have insurance that IR can claim off ?

There have been several fatal train incidents because of cows before

at least these days we can do DNA tracing of the cows

Ghost Train

Lucky it was worse

hope the cows were ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY

dowlingm

If there is a system in place where the farmer obtains a go before crossing the line, IE's failure to answer the phone is surely not license for the farmer to cross anyway. Yes, it's unfair on the farmer and no doubt IF this was a factor in this crash Tricky Dicky might reflect on how much busted 22Ks cost over the cost of hiring enough staff in the dept which answers that phone.

KC61

dowlingm wrote: »

If there is a system in place where the farmer obtains a go before crossing the line, IE's failure to answer the phone is surely not license for the farmer to cross anyway. Yes, it's unfair on the farmer and no doubt IF this was a factor in this crash Tricky Dicky might reflect on how much busted 22Ks cost over the cost of hiring enough staff in the dept which answers that phone.

I think before we start going down the road of apportioning blame and starting personal attacks on people it might be better to wait until the facts come out.

Only one person here has alleged that phones might not have been answered, and to be honest I'd take that sort of speculation with a grain of salt.

Just my own opinion.

Cookie_Monster

KC61 - its clear the cows were in the wrong and not the train
:D:D

KC61

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

KC61 - its clear the cows were in the wrong and not the train
:D:D

With due respect Cookie Monster do have to make a joke out of everything?

Serious damage was done to the train apparently and a farmer has lost a lot of livestock.

I don't know who is to blame and nor do any other of the posters here. For people to start jumping to conclusions and start making allegations about phones not being answered or to start getting personal about the CEO without any idea of the facts is going too far in my opinion.

mooman

KC61 wrote: »

With due respect Cookie Monster do have to make a joke out of everything?

Serious damage was done to the train apparently and a farmer has lost a lot of livestock.

I don't know who is to blame and nor do any other of the posters here. For people to start jumping to conclusions and start making allegations about phones not being answered or to start getting personal about the CEO without any idea of the facts is going too far in my opinion.

Dont have a cow man:D:D

Cookie_Monster

KC61 wrote: »

With due respect Cookie Monster do have to make a joke out of everything?

Ah lighten up, its an internet forum, not a court room
Maybe I spend too much time in AH

Serious damage was done to the train apparently and a farmer has lost a lot of livestock.

No-one was killed or seriously injured, damage can be fixed and cows replaced. Thats what insurance is there for.

I don't know who is to blame and nor do any other of the posters here. For people to start jumping to conclusions and start making allegations about phones not being answered or to start getting personal about the CEO without any idea of the facts is going too far in my opinion.

People were discussing possibilities, not making allegations. If there were cows on the line it is the farmers fault one way or the other. He is supposed to control his animals, which he clearly was not doing. It is his responsibility to ensure gates are closed, fences are not broken, that the line is 100% clear when/if moving stock. Even if someone else left the gate open while rambling through his land, its still his responsibility even if it is totally unfair.

Mayor Adam West

Maybe they need to beef up safety & security on the lines......

Anyhow.......moooooving on....

:rolleyes:

KC61

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Ah lighten up, its an internet forum, not a court room
Maybe I spend too much time in AH



No-one was killed or seriously injured, damage can be fixed and cows replaced. Thats what insurance is there for.



People were discussing possibilities, not making allegations. If there were cows on the line it is the farmers fault one way or the other. He is supposed to control his animals, which he clearly was not doing. It is his responsibility to ensure gates are closed, fences are not broken, that the line is 100% clear when/if moving stock. Even if someone else left the gate open while rambling through his land, its still his responsibility even if it is totally unfair.

With due respect Cookie Monster I happen to think that any incident like this is very serious as people could be badly injured. I'm sorry if it comes across as though I should "lighten up" of if it offends you, but I view any incident like this as potentially life threatening.

When I read posts such as those above where someone suggests that phones were not being answered by safety critical staff (as allegedly being the norm) without any basis for such a comment in fact, then I think people need to think about what they are writing. Until the investigation takes place, none of us knows what happened.

There were fairly wild accusations being thrown around, some of them getting personal, and I just don't think that they are particularly helpful.

Cookie_Monster

Why would it be life threatening?

The trains are designed to take that kind of impact easily. The fact that the unit drove on without assistance once the animals were cleared off attests to that.
The sudden braking may cause a few injuries but someone would want to be seriously unlucky to be seriously injured by a fall against a seat edge or the like.

goingnowhere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polmont_rail_accident

Ham'nd'egger

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Why would it be life threatening?

A few weeks ago, a farmer was killed moving cattle on the Ennis line.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

The trains are designed to take that kind of impact easily. The fact that the unit drove on without assistance once the animals were cleared off attests to that.
The sudden braking may cause a few injuries but someone would want to be seriously unlucky to be seriously injured by a fall against a seat edge or the like.

As a rule, yes they are but there is still a safety risk to a train if anything or anybody is on the line. Don't forget, there was two deaths on the line only 2 weeks ago so it's a bad time for this to happen.

Cookie_Monster

Hamndegger wrote: »

A few weeks ago, a farmer was killed moving cattle on the Ennis line.

As a rule, yes they are but there is still a safety risk to a train if anything or anybody is on the line. Don't forget, there was two deaths on the line only 2 weeks ago so it's a bad time for this to happen.

Sorry, yes of course to people outside is a big risk. I thought he was referring to just passengers as it was only cows involved in this particular incident.

foggy_lad

KC61 wrote: »

With due respect Cookie Monster I happen to think that any incident like this is very serious as people could be badly injured. I'm sorry if it comes across as though I should "lighten up" of if it offends you, but I view any incident like this as potentially life threatening.

When I read posts such as those above where someone suggests that phones were not being answered by safety critical staff (as allegedly being the norm) without any basis for such a comment in fact, then I think people need to think about what they are writing. Until the investigation takes place, none of us knows what happened.

There were fairly wild accusations being thrown around, some of them getting personal, and I just don't think that they are particularly helpful.

there was a piece on the news some time ago where farmers on the cork-dublin line were losing cattle because the phone was not being answered and they had no other option but to bring their cows across the line for milking etc,

this was happening not for regular trains as the farmers know when to expect the scheduled services but they were ringing to check for delays spacials etc and their calls were ignored by the office that deals with those calls.

reilig

You are wrong there. Its Irish Rail's Legal Responsibility to fence along their track to prevent animals straying onto it. The farmer will be entitled to to full compensation from irish rail for his animals.

markpb wrote: »

a)

c) It's the farmers legal responsibility to properly fence his land and stop his animals getting onto the track. so there's a good chance it's his own fault his cows were struck.

Ham'nd'egger

foggy_lad wrote: »

there was a piece on the news some time ago where farmers on the cork-dublin line were losing cattle because the phone was not being answered and they had no other option but to bring their cows across the line for milking etc,

this was happening not for regular trains as the farmers know when to expect the scheduled services but they were ringing to check for delays spacials etc and their calls were ignored by the office that deals with those calls.

I assume that you can produce a link to back up your story otherwise we have to assume it's a load of sloblock.

foggy_lad

Hamndegger wrote: »

I assume that you can produce a link to back up your story otherwise we have to assume it's a load of sloblock.

assume whatever you like about it

I.S.T.

robbie_998 wrote: »

They really should've mooooooved out of the way :pac:

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Cattle mustn’t have herd the train coming.

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

God you two are milking this one for all its worth.

The mod should grab the bull by the horns and put an end to this foolishness

dfx-

but I view any incident like this as potentially life threatening.

It also sufficiently rare to not panic about it, conflicts-of-interest omitted

If there are people without a conflict of interest that finds no humour in this story, I despair. A light-hearted rail thread, imagine that.. :eek:

foggy_lad

dfx- wrote: »

It also sufficiently rare to not panic about it, conflicts-of-interest omitted

If there are people without a conflict of interest that finds no humour in this story, I despair. A light-hearted rail thread, imagine that.. :eek:

have you ever seen a cow after it has been hit by a train? most are not killed outright but will die an excruciatingly painful and agonising death before any vet can get to the area. i find it more laughable that irish rail cant provide a proper service despite the millions pumped into the company every year!

KC61

dfx- wrote: »

It also sufficiently rare to not panic about it, conflicts-of-interest omitted

If there are people without a conflict of interest that finds no humour in this story, I despair. A light-hearted rail thread, imagine that.. :eek:

Apologies, but I don't particularly find it humourous at all. I'm sure that it was not humourous for the driver seeing the herd of cattle on the tracks, for the farmer who has lost valuable livestock, or the people who had to clean away the remains.

And I have no conflict of interest whatsoever in this regard.

My second problem is that it then turns into a "who can we blame" thread with various wild allegations following from it, including blaming the CEO!!! Why people cannot wait for the official report before jumping to conclusions is beyond me.

Ham'nd'egger

foggy_lad wrote: »

assume whatever you like about it

I'm assuming nothing here at all, it's you that is bringing hearsay and bluff into this. You firstly claim that Irish Rail staff didn't answer a phone call which was unlikely to have been made being somehow responsible for this incident. You then refer to a newspaper article claiming that this is an ongoing problem without showing a link to back up said claim.

The only thing that we can can be clear on is that you have no proof to back up your post and that your post isn't to be trusted at the minute.

-Corkie-

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

The mod should grab the bull by the horns and put an end to this foolishness

So tell me.. Did all the passangers get free burgers for sunday lunch

lord lucan

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

The mod should grab the bull by the horns and put an end to this foolishness

Pull the udder one!:D

Judgement Day

Too much bullsh1t on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

Cookie_Monster

SARASON wrote: »

So tell me.. Did all the passangers get free burgers for sunday lunch

na, it'd have to have been an old Mk3 set with kitchen car for that.

enterprise

KC61 wrote: »

I'm sure that it was not humourous for the driver seeing the herd of cattle on the tracks, for the farmer who has lost valuable livestock, or the people who had to clean away the remains.
QUOTE]

I can assure you from being on a train that hit cattle several years ago the smell is something you never forget. The smell of blood, guts and fresh meat is something you don't forget in a hurry.

I pity the poor sod who had to clear up the mess in Laois Traincare.

Judgement Day

sturrer wrote: »

moo

Great 1st post - welcome to the Boards.