My front number plate has fallen off

k123456

My front number plate has fallen off, in the eyes of the law is this a penalty points issue or a fine

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k123456 wrote: »

My front number plate has fallen off, in the eyes of the law is this a penalty points issue or a fine

It fell off I'm guessing its a fine and a right bollicking from the guard. Get it fixed asap

Run_to_da_hills

It will cost you about e10 for a replacement one in a factors, you will have to try and pick up the old holes with a template and mount it.

Max Power1

It only has to be fully visible from the front, no requirment for it to be mounted. Put it in the windscreen and youll be fine.

slimjimmc

Max Power1 wrote: »

It only has to be fully visible from the front, no requirment for it to be mounted. Put it in the windscreen and youll be fine.

Rubbish,
it has to be displayed at the front of the car. In practice that means somewhere forward of the front wheels such as on the grill, bumper or on the front of the bonnet. Windscreens are closer to the middle on most cars.

Run_to_da_hills

Max Power1 wrote: »

It only has to be fully visible from the front, no requirment for it to be mounted. Put it in the windscreen and youll be fine.

Maybe if they are trade plates, which I doubt.

Diffking

slimjimmc wrote: »

Rubbish,
it has to be displayed at the front of the car. In practice that means somewhere forward of the front wheels such as on the grill, bumper or on the front of the bonnet. Windscreens are closer to the middle on most cars.

No, your talking rubbish. A number plate has to be affixed to the front of the car and clearly visible, so if you put it on you windscreen and secure it with blutack your sorted. Do you want me to back this up??? I think I will.

The main requirements of the rules about the format of vehicle registration plates are:

• The registration number consisting of numbers and letters must be in black on a white reflective background
• The name of the county of registration must be in Irish, (examples are Baile Átha Cliath, Corcaigh, etc.)
• The flag of the EU and the letters "IRL" must be placed on the left-hand side of the plate, the flag comprising 12 gold stars in a circle, the letters in white beneath it, all on a blue reflective background. No other numbers, letters, marks, etc., should appear on your registration plate.

Vehicle registration plates must be affixed to the front and back of your vehicle and clearly visible at all times. In situations where you are towing a trailer, caravan, etc., a duplicate of the registration plate must be affixed to the back of the trailer, caravan, etc.
Vehicles with only 1 front wheel (i.e., motorcycles) are only required to carry the registration plate on the back of the vehicle.

alexmcred

You don't drive a corolla by any chance and race around the countryside by any chance :pac:

MagicSean

Diffking wrote: »

No, your talking rubbish. A number plate has to be affixed to the front of the car and clearly visible, so if you put it on you windscreen and secure it with blutack your sorted. Do you want me to back this up??? I think I will.

The main requirements of the rules about the format of vehicle registration plates are:

• The registration number consisting of numbers and letters must be in black on a white reflective background
• The name of the county of registration must be in Irish, (examples are Baile Átha Cliath, Corcaigh, etc.)
• The flag of the EU and the letters "IRL" must be placed on the left-hand side of the plate, the flag comprising 12 gold stars in a circle, the letters in white beneath it, all on a blue reflective background. No other numbers, letters, marks, etc., should appear on your registration plate.

Vehicle registration plates must be affixed to the front and back of your vehicle and clearly visible at all times. In situations where you are towing a trailer, caravan, etc., a duplicate of the registration plate must be affixed to the back of the trailer, caravan, etc.
Vehicles with only 1 front wheel (i.e., motorcycles) are only required to carry the registration plate on the back of the vehicle.

Putting it behind the windscreen is not clearly visible and can also obstruct your view when driving.

Diffking

k_mac wrote: »

Putting it behind the windscreen is not clearly visible and can also obstruct your view when driving.

Not atal, put on passengers side, I had it like that for 6 months, and when asked why it was there I told the Gardai that it was clearly visible and was affixed to the front of my car!

ronaneire

Diffking wrote: »

No, your talking rubbish. A number plate has to be affixed to the front of the car and clearly visible, so if you put it on you windscreen and secure it with blutack your sorted. Do you want me to back this up??? I think I will.

The main requirements of the rules about the format of vehicle registration plates are:

• The registration number consisting of numbers and letters must be in black on a white reflective background
• The name of the county of registration must be in Irish, (examples are Baile Átha Cliath, Corcaigh, etc.)
• The flag of the EU and the letters "IRL" must be placed on the left-hand side of the plate, the flag comprising 12 gold stars in a circle, the letters in white beneath it, all on a blue reflective background. No other numbers, letters, marks, etc., should appear on your registration plate.

Vehicle registration plates must be affixed to the front and back of your vehicle and clearly visible at all times. In situations where you are towing a trailer, caravan, etc., a duplicate of the registration plate must be affixed to the back of the trailer, caravan, etc.
Vehicles with only 1 front wheel (i.e., motorcycles) are only required to carry the registration plate on the back of the vehicle.

Diffking wrote: »

Not atal, put on passengers side, I had it like that for 6 months, and when asked why it was there I told the Gardai that it was clearly visible and was affixed to the front of my car!

The front of you car would be the bumper and not the windscreen, the first place someone looks for a reg plate when they look at the front of a car is down on the bumper?
If so, why don't car manufacturers make a space on the dashboard for one, the true and proper place for it is on the very front of the vehicle.

And the op's question was in relation to whether they would receive a fine or penalty points for not having one.
Not the idea of sticking one behind their windscreen

slimjimmc

Diffking wrote: »

No, your talking rubbish. A number plate has to be affixed to the front of the car and clearly visible, so if you put it on you windscreen and secure it with blutack your sorted. Do you want me to back this up??? I think I will.

The main requirements of the rules about the format of vehicle registration plates are:

• The registration number consisting of numbers and letters must be in black on a white reflective background
• The name of the county of registration must be in Irish, (examples are Baile Átha Cliath, Corcaigh, etc.)
• The flag of the EU and the letters "IRL" must be placed on the left-hand side of the plate, the flag comprising 12 gold stars in a circle, the letters in white beneath it, all on a blue reflective background. No other numbers, letters, marks, etc., should appear on your registration plate.

Vehicle registration plates must be affixed to the front and back of your vehicle and clearly visible at all times. In situations where you are towing a trailer, caravan, etc., a duplicate of the registration plate must be affixed to the back of the trailer, caravan, etc.
Vehicles with only 1 front wheel (i.e., motorcycles) are only required to carry the registration plate on the back of the vehicle.

As you can see from your own post the plate has to be

affixed to the front of the car

"affixed to the front of " is not the same as affixed on a windscreen facing forward. As I've already said, the windscreen is not on the front of most cars but somewhere between the front and back wheels. You wouldn't get away with putting your headlights there?

Diffking

slimjimmc wrote: »

As you can see from your own post the plate has to be "affixed to the front of " is not the same as affixed on a windscreen facing forward. As I've already said, the windscreen is not on the front of most cars but somewhere between the front and back wheels. You wouldn't get away with putting your headlights there?

Go to court over it and get back to me!;)

corktina

just as a matter of no importance, why dont manufacturers make a special place for plates so that they are flush with the bodywork...behind a glass panel perhaps?

maclek

Obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-QNAwUdHUQ

challengemaster

DiffKing is correct on the matter - The law states that it has to be affixed, and front facing/clearly visable... nowhere does it state where abouts on the car it has to be. By stating the front of the vehicle, it means pretty much anything over the halfway point - that's the front, isn't it? Basically, you cant' have 2 numberplates on the rear of the car. Common sense... Nowhere does it state bumper. Front != bumper... Placing it affixed to the windscreen is completely legal.

Mycroft H

ITEM
Registration Number Plate

REASONS FOR FAILURE

1 One or both plates missing, insecure or not clearly visible.

2 Numbers or letters missing or illegible or incorrect size (see page 9).

3 Numbers, letter or background of incorrect colour (see notes above).

4 Marks, other than those prescribed, on the plate
within the boundary shown in the diagram.

NCT manual section regarding the number plate.


Guess its legal so

slimjimmc

slimjimmc wrote: »

You wouldn't get away with putting your headlights there?

Fiat got away with it on the Multipla

hi_im_fil

corktina wrote: »

just as a matter of no importance, why dont manufacturers make a special place for plates so that they are flush with the bodywork...behind a glass panel perhaps?

Different size reg plates in different countries.

There was a case in Wicklow about a year back where a judge deemed it legal to have the reg plate displayed on the windscreen. It doesn't have to be on the front bumper, but gardai will give you hassle if its somewhere else.

gerbear1

I put my legal number plates on my car for the NCT but used some crappy sticky stuff to hold them in place. One fell off when I was driving to work so had to go get a new one and then when I came out of the car park I saw the other fell off also! From then on I was very generous with the amount of sticky pads I used to hold them up!

CiniO

Does no one wonder what happens with the lost number plates?
I'm just curious.

In country where I come from, it's pretty common that number plates are getting stolen, and then somone puts them into their car and say drives to petrol station to get a full tank of fuel, and leaves without paying.

I don't think actually that can be a case in Ireland, as anyone can get any number plate they wish in any motor shop for a couple of bob. So no one would bother stealing them.

slimjimmc

They're probably sold for a tenner on E-bay and end up stuck to a wall in some Irish themed pub half ways across the world, just like our road signs.

Max Power1

slimjimmc wrote: »

Rubbish,
it has to be displayed at the front of the car. In practice that means somewhere forward of the front wheels such as on the grill, bumper or on the front of the bonnet. Windscreens are closer to the middle on most cars.

As has been stated - the law requires it to be affixed and placed to the front of the car, and clearly visible from the front

As you can see, a number plate glued to the front windscreen meets those requirements, does it not.

In saying that, if I did not want to draw attention from the gardai (say if I was driving unacompanied on an LP or something) I would not do it.

kbell

Would the cameras on the M50 pick up windscreen mounted plates..?

Max Power1

kbell wrote: »

Would the cameras on the M50 pick up windscreen mounted plates..?

Probably not, thats why a lot of people do it i guess!

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

Does no one wonder what happens with the lost number plates?
I'm just curious.

In country where I come from, it's pretty common that number plates are getting stolen, and then somone puts them into their car and say drives to petrol station to get a full tank of fuel, and leaves without paying.

I don't think actually that can be a case in Ireland, as anyone can get any number plate they wish in any motor shop for a couple of bob. So no one would bother stealing them.

Most petrol stations use CCTV cameras to identify drive offs, meaning that unless the person was driving a car identical to yours it would be pretty easy to prove it wasnt you.

Only benefit would be when going thru the toll or when speeding. The former would be a lot of effort to avoid a €3 charge. Maybe if you were planning on doing some road racing or something it might be worth it but I really doubt it.

Happened to my father a few years ago; he got a speeding ticket in the post for a road hed never been on. Upon closer inspection of the photo you could clearly see the badge on the back of the car (I think it was a Jeep) whereas my father had an Almera at the time!

djimi

kbell wrote: »

Would the cameras on the M50 pick up windscreen mounted plates..?

Dont they read the back of the car?

djimi

With regards the original poster, get the number plate fixed ASAP, but make some effort to mount the old one on the windscreen or something for the time being. The chances of getting stopped between your house and the local Halfords are slim, and even if you are stopped Im sure most guards will understand. You might get unlucky and get stopped by the one guy who will take issue with it, but from my experience most guards are decent about that kind of thing, provided they are of the opinion that you are genuine.

Max Power1

djimi wrote: »

With regards the original poster, get the number plate fixed ASAP, but make some effort to mount the old one on the windscreen or something for the time being. The chances of getting stopped between your house and the local Halfords are slim, and even if you are stopped Im sure most guards will understand. You might get unlucky and get stopped by the one guy who will take issue with it, but from my experience most guards are decent about that kind of thing, provided they are of the opinion that you are genuine.

Once its mounted on the windscreen the guard cannot do anything. the motorist would be fully complying with the relevant section of the RTA

zapata

When a car ploughs head-on at speed into another object (car, bus, truck, wall) then the windscreen DOES become the front of the car.... :rolleyes:

Esel

zapata wrote: »

When a car ploughs head-on at speed into another object (car, bus, truck, wall) then the windscreen DOES become the front of the car.... :rolleyes:

And a numberplate blue-tacked to the dash becomes a flying guillotine.....

challengemaster

djimi wrote: »

Dont they read the back of the car?

Nope, only the front plates - which is why motorbikes etc don't have to pay - there's no front plate on them.

k123456

Is it a point issue or a fine without the number plate on display

Esel

Don't know, but it's certainly a cop magnet.

jaffa20

What possible issues could i have with a self adhesive plate on an mx5? Thinking of removing the original for this but it will still be the correct size and everything just not mounted.