Ideas and Feedback.

Super-Rush

Ok folks its suggestion/feedback time.

Following on from how well the world Cup forum went and the request for a permanent football betting sub forum both myself and the Recliner have come up with a few ideas for the gambling forum going forward.

Our ideas are not only to have a seperate forum for football but to have one for horse racing as well. This would leave the main gambling forum for all other sports. This would make the gambling forum easier to use/read and hopefully we would see more people getting involved.

We would both appreciate your thoughts on these ideas and we would also like to hear any ideas you might have on how the forum can be improved.

We've brought these ideas to the admins and we think its only fair that all of you be included in the process as well.

matt1958

What about a forum for people looking for help/queries about bets..

Gavin "shels"

Good ideas.

Also can I say we need some better moderation in the forum too.

Super-Rush

Gavin shels wrote: »

Good ideas.

Also can I say we need some better moderation in the forum too.

Can you give some examples please.

Super-Rush

matt1958 wrote: »

What about a forum for people looking for help/queries about bets..

A gambling helpdesk?

matt1958

super-rush wrote: »

A gambling helpdesk?

Gavin "shels"

super-rush wrote: »

Can you give some examples please.

Don't have any examples on hand, it's more a general thing. Not a dig at the mods btw.

x PyRo

Great idea, the Horse Racing forum would be great to say the least!

There needs to be more competitions as it's dull as feck here.

Best Bet of the Day competitions .For horses mainly, Can be done for football I suppose and tables can be kept updated and add a bit of fun to the forum.

Fantasy Football League for people here (I can set that up).

Ye moderators are grand and all but you don't really get involved in any gambling discussion, the forum needs active mods who actually have an interest in what's going on in the gambling world, not just here to moderate. The place is constantly dead and even discussion on certain aspects isn't encouraged, people should be allowed to talk about certain aspects of a game (usually happen in football where posters are told this is not the soccer forum) and not just the bets as everything to do with a game is relevant to betting.

Daily bets threads (football and racing, weekend GAA), where people actually post up opinions of what they fancy for the day and not just listing the bets and heading on, if people put a bit of thought into their bets they'd make a far better go of this gambling lark.

"How to" articles for people who want to get involved in gambling but don't have a clue. I'd happily write up an explanation about how I pick a horse and also what not to do (I'm no expert but what I do works). Point them towards certain sites that will help them improve the likely hood of picking something that has a decent chance, most people just see 1111 and back the horse!

There also could be a few posts done on what markets can be exploited, like the "Anytime Scorer" bets in soccer is extremely good for value if you put time and effort into it, over/under markets are also ones you can find alot of value in with the correct time and effort. Most people just put on mental accumulators all the time and lose money, with more know how people who are actually losing gamblers could improve big time and become profitable.

All in all, the place is dead and needs a kick up the arse to liven it up! The World Cup livened the place up and hopefully it continues when the Premiership starts again.

Super-Rush

Gavin shels wrote: »

Don't have any examples on hand, it's more a general thing. Not a dig at the mods btw.

I didn't think it was a dig tbh.

So when you say better moderation what do you mean?

The Recliner

Gavin shels wrote: »

Don't have any examples on hand, it's more a general thing. Not a dig at the mods btw.

I don't think it was taken as a dig but if you do ahve any suggestions then now is the time

We appreciate feedback good or bad and as we are both new to Modding the forum then it is all the more appreciated

On a more general note to everybody, you can always PM us if there is something you think needs to be brought to our attention

Super-Rush

Ye moderators are grand and all but you don't really get involved in any gambling discussion, the forum needs active mods who actually have an interest in what's going on in the gambling world, not just here to moderate

In fairness The Recliner has been pretty active since he came on board here and i'll be the first to admit that i've just moderated here since i came on but that will change. We also agreed that we would need to take on one or two new mods to help out with the new forums if they are approved and we will be looking for at least one regular user to help. We're not looking for suggestions btw as we will make our picks and take them to the cat mods to see what they think.

The place is constantly dead and even discussion on certain aspects isn't encouraged, people should be allowed to talk about certain aspects of a game (usually happen in football where posters are told this is not the soccer forum) and not just the bets as everything to do with a game is relevant to betting.

This is a bit of a grey area for us. We can't have completely open discussion on football for two reasons. One is that there is a soccer forum and we don't want to take away discussion from there and it could encourage people to use this forum to get round a ban they might have picked up in soccer. Saying all this we will look into this point and hopefully come to a good middle ground for all of us.

Daily bets threads (football and racing, weekend GAA), where people actually post up opinions of what they fancy for the day and not just listing the bets and heading on, if people put a bit of thought into their bets they'd make a far better go of this gambling lark.

The new sub forums would be perfect for threads like this.

"How to" articles for people who want to get involved in gambling but don't have a clue. I'd happily write up an explanation about how I pick a horse and also what not to do (I'm no expert but what I do works). Point them towards certain sites that will help them improve the likely hood of picking something that has a decent chance, most people just see 1111 and back the horse!

Would this not be something to incorporate into the logs forum?

There also could be a few posts done on what markets can be exploited, like the "Anytime Scorer" bets in soccer is extremely good for value if you put time and effort into it, over/under markets are also ones you can find alot of value in with the correct time and effort. Most people just put on mental accumulators all the time and lose money, with more know how people who are actually losing gamblers could improve big time and become profitable.

Good idea.

All in all, the place is dead and needs a kick up the arse to liven it up! The World Cup livened the place up and hopefully it continues when the Premiership starts again.

Thats what this thread is about.

Gillington

We're not allowed give suggestions here? It's cool if we're not just wanna know!

myflipflops

Heavily clamp down on after-timing, even when a screenshot is provided. It just becomse a boasting competition where people can post winning bets and not others in order to look good on the internet. It's pretty chronic recently and takes away from threads.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

I think the new mods have made a huge difference since they came in, before it was just a free-for-all to give dogs abuse to eachother.

Mods could be more active, but that's already been answered.:)

Sub-Forums are a good idea, imo.

x PyRo

super-rush wrote: »

In fairness The Recliner has been pretty active since he came on board here and i'll be the first to admit that i've just moderated here since i came on but that will change. We also agreed that we would need to take on one or two new mods to help out with the new forums if they are approved and we will be looking for at least one regular user to help. We're not looking for suggestions btw as we will make our picks and take them to the cat mods to see what they think.

He has surely and that's great, this place went unmodded ever since I started posting here, there even was a thread of some scam artist from a "syndicate" that managed to stay here for months posting up market movers and tricking people into believing he was some sort of super tipster when infact he only ended up asking for money and no doubt caught out some people.

Although the forum doesn't usually cause much hassle in comparison to most forums but now that you two guys are on board it will help increase activity and thread like this mean any attempt to get a point across won't go unnoticed and fair play to the two of ye for moderating the forum. Looking forward to see who's chosen, and it's good that there'll be at least one regular poster, fair play.

This is a bit of a grey area for us. We can't have completely open discussion on football for two reasons. One is that there is a soccer forum and we don't want to take away discussion from there and it could encourage people to use this forum to get round a ban they might have picked up in soccer. Saying all this we will look into this point and hopefully come to a good middle ground for all of us.

Totally understand, but discussion on the matches and listening to other peoples opinions is vital to understanding what bets can be taken advantage of, like in the world cup with people discussing who could be booked in certain matches, I actually made quite a few quid from seeing those discussions and even had Van Persie to be booked in the final @ 11/2 because I got involved in that market due to a couple of lads talking about it here (ValueSeeker & Headshot I think). That wouldn't be a market I'd usually delve into but it's one that certainly can be exploited and people here noticed that in certain games. With more talk on a game other similar bets could be found and people would stand a greater chance of being winning punters, although I completely understand that discussion should be for the soccer forum, but we can't talk about gambling there either so it's lose lose for the gamblers.

The new sub forums would be perfect for threads like this.

It would surely and would spice up activity too plus it would be fun.

Would this not be something to incorporate into the logs forum?

I don't think so, the challenges and logs section isn't posted in much nor does it get the traffic that a main forum does so it may go unseen by many plus if we could get people who cover different sports (Like El Horseboxo and his GAA, Heavyballs and the Golf), do a write up on the do's and don'ts and put them into one stickied thread where people can read them but not post on. It would help people possibly gain an advantage on different sports that they gamble on but wouldn't necessarily know where to go to get information that could prove vital or little things that people wouldn't notice, like a horse wearing a first time visor or a tongue tie, both of which can spark improvement but some people don't know where to get this information. I'm only using horses as an example as it's the only thing I really know about.

Good idea.

Thank you.

Thats what this thread is about.

I know, and I appreciate the effort. Fair play to the two of you.

Super-Rush

Gillington wrote: »

We're not allowed give suggestions here? It's cool if we're not just wanna know!

Of course you can give suggestions here. Thats what this thread is about. This is your forum after all.

If you're talking about new mods see below.

The Recliner

Gillington wrote: »

We're not allowed give suggestions here? It's cool if we're not just wanna know!

If this is in relation to who to pick as Mod then we would rather not do that in public, popularity competitions are all well and good but they don't necessarily make for the bst Mods

Plus the Admins have to have their say so we do it in private so as not to disappoint people

I am happy for people to PM me with suggestions though as long as they accept that they are just suggestions that will be considered but not necessarily acted on

Gillington

super-rush wrote: »

Of course you can give suggestions here. Thats what this thread is about. This is your forum after all.

super-rush wrote: »

In fairness The Recliner has been pretty active since he came on board here and i'll be the first to admit that i've just moderated here since i came on but that will change. We also agreed that we would need to take on one or two new mods to help out with the new forums if they are approved and we will be looking for at least one regular user to help. We're not looking for suggestions btw as we will make our picks and take them to the cat mods to see what they think.

Cool just got confused reading the bold part.

Anyway,I'm a bit torn as I like the Football tips from the pro thread but it can get real messy so I agree that a Football bets Forum would be a good idea.I dunno how it'd work though? Like somewhere for everything Premiership etc? Then would it'd be seperate threads for picks and discussion for particular games or weekends? The Aftertiming screenshot thread looks like its proving to be a good idea,as too many people were pointing fingers and non-believing in other threads.

Anyways have to head off in a minute,I know with the 2 new moderators everthing will work out and wish ya's the best of luck!

Gavin "shels"

x PyRo wrote: »

Ye moderators are grand and all but you don't really get involved in any gambling discussion, the forum needs active mods who actually have an interest in what's going on in the gambling world, not just here to moderate. The place is constantly dead and even discussion on certain aspects isn't encouraged, people should be allowed to talk about certain aspects of a game (usually happen in football where posters are told this is not the soccer forum) and not just the bets as everything to do with a game is relevant to betting.

This is more along the lines I was making the point about, like look at the Soccer forum, Fashion and Appearance forum, etc..., all the mods are heavily involved in posting and make themselves seen.

Maybe a new mod could be added in who is a regular and geniune poster, Pyro, etc... Just an idea having someone on board who has a heavy knowledge of gambling.

The Recliner

Gavin shels wrote: »

This is more along the lines I was making the point about, like look at the Soccer forum, Fashion and Appearance forum, etc..., all the mods are heavily involved in posting and make themselves seen.

Maybe a new mod could be added in who is a regular and geniune poster, Pyro, etc... Just an idea having someone on board who has a heavy knowledge of gambling.

Yup and it is something we are looking to do, it is mentioned in the thread somewhere

The Recliner

x PyRo wrote: »

He has surely and that's great, this place went unmodded ever since I started posting here, there even was a thread of some scam artist from a "syndicate" that managed to stay here for months posting up market movers and tricking people into believing he was some sort of super tipster when infact he only ended up asking for money and no doubt caught out some people.

Hopefully we can prevent stuff like this from now on, if we don't spot it quick enough then people can report it and help us out

Although the forum doesn't usually cause much hassle in comparison to most forums but now that you two guys are on board it will help increase activity and thread like this mean any attempt to get a point across won't go unnoticed and fair play to the two of ye for moderating the forum. Looking forward to see who's chosen, and it's good that there'll be at least one regular poster, fair play.

Yup the posters here are very little trouble, great to see

Totally understand, but discussion on the matches and listening to other peoples opinions is vital to understanding what bets can be taken advantage of, like in the world cup with people discussing who could be booked in certain matches, I actually made quite a few quid from seeing those discussions and even had Van Persie to be booked in the final @ 11/2 because I got involved in that market due to a couple of lads talking about it here (ValueSeeker & Headshot I think). That wouldn't be a market I'd usually delve into but it's one that certainly can be exploited and people here noticed that in certain games. With more talk on a game other similar bets could be found and people would stand a greater chance of being winning punters, although I completely understand that discussion should be for the soccer forum, but we can't talk about gambling there either so it's lose lose for the gamblers.

I don't think we stepped in too much in the World Cup forum, we do ahve to draw the line somewhere though, the Soccer forum has restrictions for a reason and we can't allow people to take the piss

As you say though there was a lot of interesting discussion there and it was informative and I think people helped each other out which was great to see

Hopefully we can keep that up from now on

I don't think so, the challenges and logs section isn't posted in much nor does it get the traffic that a main forum does so it may go unseen by many plus if we could get people who cover different sports (Like El Horseboxo and his GAA, Heavyballs and the Golf), do a write up on the do's and don'ts and put them into one stickied thread where people can read them but not post on. It would help people possibly gain an advantage on different sports that they gamble on but wouldn't necessarily know where to go to get information that could prove vital or little things that people wouldn't notice, like a horse wearing a first time visor or a tongue tie, both of which can spark improvement but some people don't know where to get this information. I'm only using horses as an example as it's the only thing I really know about.

I think a locked Stickied thread would be a good idea, if people want to write up a gambling FAQ or Do's and Don'ts then they can PM us Mods and we can post it for them in the thread, would help keep the advice centralised and keep it useful

Super-Rush

Gavin shels wrote: »

This is more along the lines I was making the point about, like look at the Soccer forum, Fashion and Appearance forum, etc..., all the mods are heavily involved in posting and make themselves seen.

Maybe a new mod could be added in who is a regular and geniune poster, Pyro, etc... Just an idea having someone on board who has a heavy knowledge of gambling.

I totally agree with you and we're using this window between the end of the World Cup and the start of the football season to get it all sorted. To be honest i got i got side tracked by real life stuff and neglected all the forums i mod.

Another idea i have in my head would be an off topic thread which would be in the main forum.

x PyRo

super-rush wrote: »

Another idea i have in my head would be an off topic thread which would be in the main forum.

I was just about to mention that, excellent idea. Would bring some added fun and banter.

x PyRo

The Recliner wrote: »

Hopefully we can prevent stuff like this from now on, if we don't spot it quick enough then people can report it and help us out

Oh I've no doubt you'll have it sorted in no time, I reported a couple of spam posts a couple of days ago and they were gone in no time. I reported that thread way back and it was still there for months after.

Yup the posters here are very little trouble, great to see

Wait until we all have a few losers in a row. :pac:

I don't think we stepped in too much in the World Cup forum, we do ahve to draw the line somewhere though, the Soccer forum has restrictions for a reason and we can't allow people to take the piss

As you say though there was a lot of interesting discussion there and it was informative and I think people helped each other out which was great to see

Hopefully we can keep that up from now on

Completely understand and I agree with the point you're making but if it's regular members to the gambling forum discussing the potential way a game may go, what winger could take advantage of a wing back and get them booked etc - That stuff should be encouraged, obviously I don't mean people f'ing and blinding because Rooney missed a tap in or something! Just general things someone may have noticed that could be a good bet then everyone says their part, with a combined interest in the one game I'd be fairly confident that people could pick out some splendid unusual bets that would go unnoticed if we didn't talk about a game.

Maybe even concentrate on one game every weekend and everyone gives their opinions on how it may go and what bets we can find as a group that may be overpriced and can be exploited, it could make people alot of money and a 10 opinions is better than 1.

I think a locked Stickied thread would be a good idea, if people want to write up a gambling FAQ or Do's and Don'ts then they can PM us Mods and we can post it for them in the thread, would help keep the advice centralised and keep it useful

Brilliant, I'll get something done over the next few weeks about how I judge a race or something and I'll send it on to you. I reckon if everyone wrote about their specialist areas we could come up with some very interesting points that can be manipulated. After all this is a gambling forum and we're not here to lose money, although I'd imagine most people do because they don't try hard enough to improve what they're doing.

Thanks for the reply.

jolsen

A sub forum for match betting and arbing would be nice, because we all know boards needs more forums.

I think a few people do it around here and if others can get their heads round it, the forum could get pretty busy.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

If anyone was handy with PhotoShop they could maybe make up a picture like the one in my sig for R&R, and have the photo linking to the forum?

The Recliner

x PyRo wrote: »

Completely understand and I agree with the point you're making but if it's regular members to the gambling forum discussing the potential way a game may go, what winger could take advantage of a wing back and get them booked etc - That stuff should be encouraged, obviously I don't mean people f'ing and blinding because Rooney missed a tap in or something! Just general things someone may have noticed that could be a good bet then everyone says their part, with a combined interest in the one game I'd be fairly confident that people could pick out some splendid unusual bets that would go unnoticed if we didn't talk about a game.

I don't think that is a problem at all and is to be encouraged, like I said we just need to find where the line is and make everyone aware of it

Maybe even concentrate on one game every weekend and everyone gives their opinions on how it may go and what bets we can find as a group that may be overpriced and can be exploited, it could make people alot of money and a 10 opinions is better than 1.

Great idea, I have a few plans on getting things up and running in football betting forum when we get it started

Brilliant, I'll get something done over the next few weeks about how I judge a race or something and I'll send it on to you. I reckon if everyone wrote about their specialist areas we could come up with some very interesting points that can be manipulated. After all this is a gambling forum and we're not here to lose money, although I'd imagine most people do because they don't try hard enough to improve what they're doing.

Excellent, will lash that up whenever you get it to me

Thanks for the reply.

Thanks for the great suggestions, keep them coming folks

Gavin "shels"

baz2009 wrote: »

If anyone was handy with PhotoShop they could maybe make up a picture like the one in my sig for R&R, and have the photo linking to the forum?

Suppose that's a decent idea, but the thing about this forum is we're like an old mans pub, everyone knows everyones betting patterns and trusts certain posters for certain sports, leagues, etc...

Headshot

My ideas would be (probably mentioned already)

maybe a sub forum for these

soccer betting thread
GAA betting thread
Horse betting thread
other sports

Maybe that's to many sub-forums, im not sure

I also love that gambling help desk thread, really would come in useful

Iv also have to say that the new mods have done an excellent job since coming in

Super-Rush

Headshot wrote: »

My ideas would be (probably mentioned already)

maybe a sub forum for these

soccer betting thread
GAA betting thread
Horse betting thread
other sports

Maybe that's to many sub-forums, im not sure

I also love that gambling help desk thread, really would come in useful

Iv also have to say that the new mods have done an excellent job since coming in

The helpdesk thread is a great idea and might encourage more people to use the gambling forum.

Would there be a need for a GAA betting forum? The championship only runs through the summer and the league in the winter.

My idea would be

Gambling(parent forum) - Football betting - Horse/Greyhound racing - Logs.

Everything outside football and racing would go into the parent forum. Its like when you go into a bookmakers. Football and racing are the big ones and everything else goes in together.

+1 for the soccer sub forum.


No complaints about moderation in this forum from me. Tbh, of all the forums I use it's one of the best in that respect.

Headshot

super-rush wrote: »

Would there be a need for a GAA betting forum? The championship only runs through the summer and the league in the winter.

My idea would be

Gambling(parent forum) - Football betting - Horse/Greyhound racing - Logs.

Everything outside football and racing would go into the parent forum. Its like when you go into a bookmakers. Football and racing are the big ones and everything else goes in together.

your right super rush, that makes great sense

eclectichoney

Love the idea of a help forum (those asian handicaps always confuse me ) and a sticky for 'good value' type bets - I myself used to do mainly football accums with very little success until i started checking out this forum and came across the likes of under/over 1.5/2.5 and anytime scorers.

A football subforum and a horse racing subforum would probably be sufficient as super-rush suggested.

Fowler87

Great work Mods on the clean up of the forum, its badly needed. Nothing really to add as all relevant feedback has already been mentioned.

However, would it be possible to maybe get the forum linked to certain bookmakers (ie Paddy Power) in creating special prices and offers and maybe sponsorship of tipster competitions etc.

Would make the forum even more enjoyable!
Thanks

Gillington

Another thing that was mentioned last season was someone getting in touch with Paddy Power about a prize fund for a Boards Last Man Standing comp.If there was a LMS thread it would direct a lot of traffic to the Gambling forum and hopefully some wise heads

The Recliner

Fowler87 wrote: »

Great work Mods on the clean up of the forum, its badly needed. Nothing really to add as all relevant feedback has already been mentioned.

However, would it be possible to maybe get the forum linked to certain bookmakers (ie Paddy Power) in creating special prices and offers and maybe sponsorship of tipster competitions etc.

Would make the forum even more enjoyable!
Thanks

Gillington wrote: »

Another thing that was mentioned last season was someone getting in touch with Paddy Power about a prize fund for a Boards Last Man Standing comp.If there was a LMS thread it would direct a lot of traffic to the Gambling forum and hopefully some wise heads

Good ideas lads

I will check in with the lads in the office and see what they think and if it is doable

Nulty

myflipflops wrote: »

Heavily clamp down on after-timing, even when a screenshot is provided. It just becomse a boasting competition where people can post winning bets and not others in order to look good on the internet. It's pretty chronic recently and takes away from threads.

5starpool wrote: »

•The third rule of the Gambling forum is you do not afterpost. The fourth rule of the Gambling forum is you do not afterpost. The fifth rule of the gambling forum…. You get the idea. Afterposting is coming on here telling everybody about how much you won off a 12 fold accumulator. Unless you posted it on the forum beforehand, no-one cares. It’s very frowned upon around these parts.

Close the aftertiming thread. It's just a place for people to boast. I'm amazed that there is a thread allowed for it. It's a total contradiction of the Forum Charter.

I've just visited it and it's already causing trouble. I know some might say that I don't have to read it if I don't want it but its just wrong. Get rid of it

L'prof

Any way of banning people from posting in the thread?

L'prof

Don't close the after-timing thread, just ban people from posting in it that are intent on derailing it.

The Recliner

L'prof wrote: »

Don't close the after-timing thread, just ban people from posting in it that are intent on derailing it.

We can't ban people from threads, we can request they not post in a thread and if they do then ban them from the forum

In fairness, if a warning is given and subsequaently not adhered to, then it's tough luck imo.

L'prof

The Recliner wrote: »

We can't ban people from threads, we can request they not post in a thread and if they do then ban them from the forum

Is that something that could be looked at so sitewide? It would even cut down on infractions.

matt1958

The Recliner.. from the aftertiming thread.. Yes that is in the charter but it wasn't stopping people from doing it.

Isn't that because there wasnt real moderation going on around here too stop it from happening? Now you and Rush are here you can clamp down on it and ban people from the forum or what L'prof said see if the site can ban people from posting in threads.. Just my two cents:)

matt1958

matt1958 wrote: »

The Recliner.. from the aftertiming thread.. Yes that is in the charter but it wasn't stopping people from doing it.

Isn't that because there wasnt real moderation going on around here too stop it from happening? Now you and Rush are here you can clamp down on it and ban people from the forum or what L'prof said see if the site can ban people from posting in threads.. Just my two cents:)

If posts were reported I'd imagine they were acted on?

matt1958

I dont know if they were reported or acted on..

Verance

Lots were reported and never acted on. Suppose there was no one to act on them, but now we have shiny new mods

BGP

I'm not sure about this but I'm just throwing it out there since most other forums have one. How about an off-topic thread for just general discussion and stuff?

I'm just chancing my arm with that, so whatever you guys think...

El Horseboxo

I don't get peoples problem with the aftertiming thread. I personally love seeing the people on here winning bets and taking money from the bookies. Regardless of it being a tenner or grand return. I'll agree that it shouldn't be a thread for every bet that you have won and should be kept for substantial returns. And if you have already posted up your bet in another thread beforehand there should be no need to post the screenshot. I have used it mainly to post GAA bets where my winnings were big. I don't see it as me boasting but rather just an opportunity to provide a case where a punter got one over the bookies for those who like me, love to see that happen.

Anyways there are lots of great ideas in here. The helpdesk, off topic thread, fantasy league or some sort of competition that runs season long and threads with tips that provide an explanation ideas are something that i would like to see.

Kod-box

Ya i say leave the aftertime thread, as it does show people the value in the various markets and how easily they can be exploited.

Super-Rush

BGP wrote: »

I'm not sure about this but I'm just throwing it out there since most other forums have one. How about an off-topic thread for just general discussion and stuff?

I'm just chancing my arm with that, so whatever you guys think...

See post 22

This thread will be closing sometime on Tuesday so if anyone has any ideas or suggestions on how to make this place more popular and run smoother you better do it quick.

If you have any suggestions for new mods please feel free to pm myself or The Recliner. Don't post them on this thread please.

Super-Rush

Ok lads thanks for all the feedback. Myself and The Recliner will get back to you asap.