Time for an iPhone 4 recall?

Tora Bora

Time for an iPhone 4 recall?



http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20010352-256.html


If you have Apple shares, sell them .............. these tossers are in the early stages of a downward spiral, caused by insufferable arrogance at the top.

Kevin!

Tora Bora wrote: »

Time for an iPhone 4 recall?



http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20010352-256.html


If you have Apple shares, sell them .............. these tossers are in the early stages of a downward spiral, caused by insufferable arrogance at the top.

Apple should recall the iPhone 4

this is not an official statement and is very unlikely to happen, the first step would be to stop selling them anyways which they haven't done.

seamus

The software fix will correctly tell you when you're in a low-signal area.

When you're in a low-signal area, anything which covers the antenna will reduce the signal available to the phone to the point where you may not be able to make a phone call - this is a universal problem with all mobile phones, not just the iP4.

I don't see what needs to be recalled here - the flaw is in the software, not in the antenna. What do they expect Apple to do? Invent a new type of antenna which is impervious to physics?

keith_d99

Very good article! ... bit of a coincidence that Apple have joined the iPhone cover market now as well ... they wouldn't be trying to profit off their own design flaw by any chance would they?!?! Like they didn't know about this problem ...

Tora Bora wrote: »

Time for an iPhone 4 recall?



http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20010352-256.html


If you have Apple shares, sell them .............. these tossers are in the early stages of a downward spiral, caused by insufferable arrogance at the top.

phill106

seamus wrote: »

The software fix will correctly tell you when you're in a low-signal area.

When you're in a low-signal area, anything which covers the antenna will reduce the signal available to the phone to the point where you may not be able to make a phone call - this is a universal problem with all mobile phones, not just the iP4.

I don't see what needs to be recalled here - the flaw is in the software, not in the antenna. What do they expect Apple to do? Invent a new type of antenna which is impervious to physics?

Apparently a coating on the external antenna would have solved the issue. Basically a lick of paint!

Tabnabs

I see even Time Magazine are talking about this problem. Ultimately though it realistically won't even dint sales.

AlanD

Tora Bora wrote: »

If you have Apple shares, sell them

Fortunately, for AAPL shareholders, the shares's value is based on more than the success or failure of any one product. So with over $40 billion in cash in the bank and sales figures exceeding all targets, their share price should hold firm with the odd blip, but continue to grow to over $300. The biggest problem the company has is that the share price is too high to generate the interest in purchasing their shares that they would like. Talk of a stock split among the analyst fraternity has been mooted. Might not happen though.

Yes the Antenna issue is a bit unfortunate, but won't we all put a case on our iPhones anyway? Plus in Ireland, we have a much better network than in the US, so full bar coverage is the rule rather than the exception.

BrianD

seamus wrote: »

The software fix will correctly tell you when you're in a low-signal area.

When you're in a low-signal area, anything which covers the antenna will reduce the signal available to the phone to the point where you may not be able to make a phone call - this is a universal problem with all mobile phones, not just the iP4.

I don't see what needs to be recalled here - the flaw is in the software, not in the antenna. What do they expect Apple to do? Invent a new type of antenna which is impervious to physics?

WRONG! the fault is with the design of the phone. More info has emerged that it is due to the co-location of the antennae that the iPhone uses and the sweaty palms that come in contact with both aerials simultaneously (ref Sunday Times)

Yes, covering the antenna of other phones will cause the same effect but it appears to be an inherrant fault in the iPhone design. Apparently, the Nexus can also suffer from the same issue. Having said that, not all phones have two aerials mounted externally so it's not as prevalent as Apple would like you to think it is.

The software "problem" was smoke and mirrors. It actually makes no difference to the issue. If you were dropping calls on 2 bars pre software patch you will now drop them at one bar. The actual reception of the phone hasn't changed - just how it is visually represented to the user.

I don't think an iPhone recall would be applicable. It applies to items where components can be changed. This is not something that can be done with some electronic items

However, the question is - is this a preceived problem based on the disappearing bars when you hold the phone or is it an actual problem where data or calls are being dropped? In fairness to Apple, most of the complaints are based on "experts" creating the specific situation and thus demonstrating the problem. But in day to day use, do iPhone users hold the phone in the "problem way" on a daily basis? It's hard to guage how big this issue is, if it is at all.

Johnmb

Why should they recall? I'm happy with my phone, and so are the majority of users. Those who aren't can return them. The fact that so many don't return them but complain in any case says a lot about how genuine their problems actually are! As for the "design fault", my iPhone 4 works a lot better than the Samsung it replaced with regards to signal while I'm holding it. I never complained about my Samsung, I just moved my hand if I noticed interference while on a call. I honestly can't understand why so many iPhone users seem incapable of doing something similar if they notice any problems while on a call (although, again, I point out that I haven't had any such problems, I'm sure I could create it if I tried, but it doesn't happen during normal use).

Dermo

Just after reading this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/12/consumer_reports_iphone_reversal/
Seems like there are serious hardward problems that should be fixed, especially for any left handed people. Apple's response of "you're holding it wrong" is just plain ridiculous.

nedd

i read somewhere that if you stick a bit of sellotape over the gap between the antenna then this will stop the shorting that is causing the problem. has anyone tried this?

Iomega Man

seamus wrote: »

The software fix will correctly tell you when you're in a low-signal area.

When you're in a low-signal area, anything which covers the antenna will reduce the signal available to the phone to the point where you may not be able to make a phone call - this is a universal problem with all mobile phones, not just the iP4.

I don't see what needs to be recalled here - the flaw is in the software, not in the antenna. What do they expect Apple to do? Invent a new type of antenna which is impervious to physics?

I'm with you on that one.
I updated my 3G to 4 and now I have issues with my reception which I never had before.
But we'll hold out for the update.

Inquitus

seamus wrote: »

When you're in a low-signal area, anything which covers the antenna will reduce the signal available to the phone to the point where you may not be able to make a phone call - this is a universal problem with all mobile phones, not just the iP4.

Yes, only its 3x worse on the iPhone 4 than on other comparable phones as the new antenna is external and can be physically touched by holding the phone in the most normal fashion.

This is a design flaw. In most areas of most countries signal strength is far from optimum, having a 20db drop in signal by holding your phone naturally can be fairly catastrophic to your phone experience.

This software fix is no fix at all, its simply apple's legal department advising them on how best not to get sued, aside from that all it will do is change the number of bars shown.

Even Consumer Reports, one of America's most reputable sites is advising against people buying it after they conducted the most in depth tests yet in a RF Lab.

mad muffin

Do people in this thread actually own an iPhone 4?

iPhone 4 is the best phone in the world, and he's right you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLah3k2bujs

BrianD

mad muffin wrote: »

Do people in this thread actually own an iPhone 4?

iPhone 4 is the best phone in the world, and he's right you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLah3k2bujs

I don't own a tank or nor am I in the army but I post in the military forum. It's not a requirement to own the device to talk about it - especially as many here don't have an iPhone 4 anyway.

I think I have thrown down the gauntlet and asked iPhone 4 users to state whether the problem as reported is an actual problem or a theoretical one. Personally, I think that the Consumer Report is a bit unfair in that it is probably basing its judgement on hearsay rather than actual field testing. Will Joe Blogs hold the product - even if left handed - in the exact manner that will create the problem or not?

Johnmb

BrianD wrote: »

I think I have thrown down the gauntlet and asked iPhone 4 users to state whether the problem as reported is an actual problem or a theoretical one. Personally, I think that the Consumer Report is a bit unfair in that it is probably basing its judgement on hearsay rather than actual field testing. Will Joe Blogs hold the product - even if left handed - in the exact manner that will create the problem or not?

Well I have the iPhone 4. Previously I had a Samsung SGH-F700V. The reception on the iP4 is much better. The one qualifier I will give is that about a week before getting the iP4 (the Friday before it was released) I switched from Vodafone to 3, so how much of the improvement is down to the phone and how much is down to the carrier I can't say for sure. I am also in no way complaining about the Samsung, I was happy enough with the reception I got with it, and when problems arose it was easy to sort simply by moving the phone.

Oafley Jones

BrianD wrote: »

Personally, I think that the Consumer Report is a bit unfair in that it is probably basing its judgement on hearsay rather than actual field testing. Will Joe Blogs hold the product - even if left handed - in the exact manner that will create the problem or not?

How is testing the product in a controlled lab environment hearsay?

larry1

The press it is getting is horrific.. possible recall :eek:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20010379-501465.html

naasrd

Getting serious alright.

Pittens

sanity

copacetic

seamus wrote: »

The software fix will correctly tell you when you're in a low-signal area.

When you're in a low-signal area, anything which covers the antenna will reduce the signal available to the phone to the point where you may not be able to make a phone call - this is a universal problem with all mobile phones, not just the iP4.

I don't see what needs to be recalled here - the flaw is in the software, not in the antenna. What do they expect Apple to do? Invent a new type of antenna which is impervious to physics?

Theres a big difference between covering the antenna and barely bridging the gap between the two attennas on the iphone 4.

It's an inherently flawed design not fit for purpose and Apples dishonesty and PR bull has really soured them for me. I may still buy it with a bumper/antenna cover but I'm seriously considering not doing so when I've been waiting for it for a year or so.

Imo apples attitude has turned this from a potentially minor issue to a major one.

eg- admit real problem, provide free cases for people who have bought them, delay shipping and apply coating to antennas on all new phones. Looks bad but you appear honest and customer focused.

What they've done - pretend there is no problem, then admit there is one but say it's that you have been faking your bars for years which is true but not the issue, is about the worst silliest idiotic route they could have taken. Imo they will take years to recover the trust of many consumers.

kopite davo

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kopite davo

copacetic wrote: »

Theres a big difference between covering the antenna and barely bridging the gap between the two attennas on the iphone 4.

It's an inherently flawed design not fit for purpose and Apples dishonesty and PR bull has really soured them for me. I may still buy it with a bumper/antenna cover but I'm seriously considering not doing so when I've been waiting for it for a year or so.

Imo apples attitude has turned this from a potentially minor issue to a major one.

eg- admit real problem, provide free cases for people who have bought them, delay shipping and apply coating to antennas on all new phones. Looks bad but you appear honest and customer focused.

What they've done - pretend there is no problem, then admit there is one but say it's that you have been faking your bars for years which is true but not the issue, is about the worst silliest idiotic route they could have taken. Imo they will take years to recover the trust of many consumers.

SPOT ON

mondeo

Glad I'm still iphone4 less after reading that. Deliberately avoided the first batch so user/press reviews could be put out there first. Patience is a virtue.

Johnmb

copacetic wrote: »

It's an inherently flawed design not fit for purpose and Apples dishonesty and PR bull has really soured them for me. I may still buy it with a bumper/antenna cover but I'm seriously considering not doing so when I've been waiting for it for a year or so.

So you're telling us what's wrong, why its wrong, and how to fix it, yet you don't actually own one and have no experience with it whatsoever.... I think that, right there, explains what the real problem with the iP4 is, some people had genuine problems with it, and then suddenly a load of people who don't know what they're talking about start mouthing off about it! There's not a lot anyone can do to appease those people, so I can't really blame Apple for not trying too hard to do so. The others with the genuine problems are being sorted from what I can see. Those who worry about displays rather than results will get the software fix, and those with faulty units get them replaced. All brands and models have faulty units, I once had to have a Siemens replaced twice! That was just really bad luck, the third unit I got was an excellent phone. The big difference was that nobody who didn't own one started telling me what Siemens had done wrong in the design.

georgiemcgrane

mondeo wrote: »

Glad I'm still iphone4 less after reading that. Deliberately avoided the first batch so user/press reviews could be put out there first. Patience is a virtue.

Why not join the list of people who DECIDED NOT to buy the iPad cos it didnt have a camera. i'll bet its a shorter list of people than would buy one tomorrow if it were available (and im not referring to the plethora of Anti-Apple who would not have bought it either way - enjoy ur net-books or E-Ink Kindle / Sony Reader thingys).
Antenna is a non issue. Sure it'll be improved upon if possible in the next batch but simply put iPhone 4 is the BEST smartphone on the market with or without a minor antenna issue. And just for arguments sake - Ive tried the phone Ive gripped it in the way that has been illustrated all over the internet - and its not THAT easy to replicate, i'll still be top of the queue to get mine when its available.

mondeo

georgiemcgrane wrote: »

Why not join the list of people who DECIDED NOT to buy the iPad cos it didnt have a camera. i'll bet its a shorter list of people than would buy one tomorrow if it were available (and im not referring to the plethora of Anti-Apple who would not have bought it either way - enjoy ur net-books or E-Ink Kindle / Sony Reader thingys).
Antenna is a non issue. Sure it'll be improved upon if possible in the next batch but simply put iPhone 4 is the BEST smartphone on the market with or without a minor antenna issue. And just for arguments sake - Ive tried the phone Ive gripped it in the way that has been illustrated all over the internet - and its not THAT easy to replicate, i'll still be top of the queue to get mine when its available.

I'll wait until the defect has been corrected, may it be the next batch or the 10th batch, whichever it is I will wait.

bkehoe

Can't say this issue is of any practical issue in my daily use of my iPhone4. In daily use for the last 3 weeks I can quite confidently say that the RF performance is far superior to that of my 3GS. As posted elsewhere, I've also done several tests with streaming internet radio, using Vodafone, while driving between New Ross and Waterford on the N25 and the 4 will hold on to 3G coverage (and thus keep streaming the station) for almost all of that 20KM journey whereas the 3GS drops back to GPRS for about 10KM of the trip. Doesn't take an expert to see which is by far the superior phone there.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that the signal can be attenuated in a way that can be worse than other handsets, and yes of course I can reproduce it if I clutch the phone tightly (white knuckle style!) in my left hand but clutching any phone in such a manner will attenuate the signal.

And the software update WILL help with joe publics perception of the problem. Anyone who doesn't understand why should read the Anandtech review in which they performed extensive testing using the actual signal measurements rather than the 'bars'. You will see that the phone reports 5 bars at what is actually quite a low signal level, thus if you grip the phone with 5 bars and the signal is at the lower end of the scale it seems to the user that they're going from full to nothing. Whereas in actual fact they probably should just be seeing 2 or 3 bars in that location to begin with.

georgiemcgrane

mondeo wrote: »

I'll wait until the defect has been corrected, may it be the next batch or the 10th batch, whichever it is I will wait.

I'll admit im a hooked tech head, I skipped the first iPhone when it came out because like your saying there were features etc.. I felt were lacking (ok so not a fault as such - but no 3G or MMS), GOD was I wrong, It was year suffering Nokia's which had 3G and MMS (and the good ones at the time - the N95) I cant get that time back Looking back I might as well have had a bucket and spade.

The gains far outweigh the issue is my opinion and for that reason I'll be ignoring the fact that a slight design flaw may affect signal quality for now - plus id have been putting a case on it one way or the other. Hopefully lots of people think like you do so then I wont have to fight through crowds to get my hands on it when it does arrive.

SolarNexus

it all sounds like hyperbole to me.

I've yet to hold one in my hands, but from most respectable, non-sensationalist sources, including the recent Consumer Reports linkbait, the iPhone4 has the best reception of all iPhones and better than most on the market, provided you dont bridge the GSM/Bluetooth antennas.

Perhaps it is true that there is a magic spot you can put your finger and the phone's signal drops a fair bit, but this is true of any antenna design. The real question is whether it actually factually affects people out in the field in a way that really causes dropped calls etc.

I'm not yet convinced that its really as big an issue as people are making out, however Apple are making a right ol' mess of the situation by first denying its existence and blaming the user to then admitting they lied about the signal quality since OS 2.x (which in an of itself is bad enough). Add to that the fact that the entire situation feels rushed, with screens not even fully cured and stock so ridiculously low world wide. Apple screwed up this launch something fierce.

For my money, Apple should've placed a thin film over the antenna to protect it against such things - I cant fathom why they wouldn't have other than the 'rush theory' (Gizmodo's release caused them to go into overdrive etc).

Anyways, none of this is stopping me from buying one.

Inquitus

georgiemcgrane wrote: »

GOD was I wrong, It was year suffering Nokia's which had 3G and MMS (and the good ones at the time - the N95) I cant get that time back Looking back I might as well have had a bucket and spade.

Yes but back then the iPhone and iOS was leaps and bounds ahead of the competition, a few limitations which made little difference aside. Now however it's not, it has parity in technology with the best of Android, and an inferior OS, and Apple simply doesn't have the wiggle room it used to to abuse its customer base when they get things wrong.

Simon201

This thread and all the 'I wont be buying one' posts are great news!

Now there might be half a chance of me being able to get one come the end of this month!

uvox

On a more positive note, you can thank all those international market beta testers for resulting in a better product when it finally hits the Irish market.

And indeed for providing the Sunday Business Post and Sunday Tribune with half-a-page filler for their "IT" coverage this weekend.

MuhammadUmar

I have an iphone 4 and do not have any major signal loss. When I hold the phone against Steve's advice, I can see just one bar loosin. I also did not have dropped calls.

I am very happy with the iPhone and really think it was worth buying it.

I think a lot of people who have an issue with the signal loss are in the US. Signals in Dublin are generally quit strong and in the US the network of AT&T has weak signals.

displaced dub

anyone want to sell me their iPhone 4???

Will pay retail price for it or less.

Will be interesting to see how many replies i get, im guessing its closer to zero than 5.

Pittens

If you have Apple shares, sell them .............. these tossers are in the early stages of a downward spiral, caused by insufferable arrogance at the top.

Lol, this is a perfect buying opportunity. The outrage will cease if Apple allow people to return with a full refund, and give covers for free to the rest. If shown to be affected.

Since, despite the massive propaganda most people are not affected the recall will - at the very worst - allow people who cant buy now to buy a few weeks earlier than they otherwise would have been able to. In fact I might pop into 3 ( here in the UK) tomorrow and see if they have any in stock. There were saying not until the 28th after their first batch sold out on July 1st. There is no way this company is in decline.

Anyway this may have an effect this quarter. Q1 ( xMas) this year is going to be a blowout. Both 3GS and 4G on sale worldwide and no supply constraints, new iPod touches with FaceTime and front videos ( hopefully no supply constraints) on sale worldwide , iPad and ( possibly rumoured) new smaller version on sale worldwide.

Buy now ( or while the panic is maintained).. It is a certain 20% increase by Dec.

I would ask the OP to give me his APple shares. i get the feeling however he has none.

Pittens

Now however it's not, it has parity in technology with the best of Android, and an inferior OS, and Apple simply doesn't have the wiggle room it used to to abuse its customer base when they get things wrong.

The idea that the OS stack in iOS is anything but miles ahead of Android is amusing to people who are technically aware.

In any case, once again, Android owners are commentating on the iPhone. I could go into the Android forum and explain why I think the Desire - which I have used - is a piece of rubbish but that would get a banning. Why are you here?

EDIT: OP is also an desire user. Jesus wept. Clearly these threads are trolls.

drunkmonkey

Johnmb wrote: »

Well I have the iPhone 4. Previously I had a Samsung SGH-F700V. The reception on the iP4 is much better. The one qualifier I will give is that about a week before getting the iP4 (the Friday before it was released) I switched from Vodafone to 3, so how much of the improvement is down to the phone and how much is down to the carrier

So it's working well on 3?, have you 3G coverage most of the time, i've the 3GS on 3 and it has a nasty habit of failing back to vodafone gprs and you have to go into setting and do a manual network search to lock back on. It works great in dublin and is nearly on 3 3G 100% of the time but outside the pale it's a different story, really like to hear how your finding it, i've still an upgrade in the bag left to use.

donkey balls

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So it's working well on 3?, have you 3G coverage most of the time, i've the 3GS on 3 and it has a nasty habit of failing back to vodafone gprs and you have to go into setting and do a manual network search to lock back on. It works great in dublin and is nearly on 3 3G 100% of the time but outside the pale it's a different story, really like to hear how your finding it, i've still an upgrade in the bag left to use.

i have the same issue with the 3g signal oscillating on my N97 even in dublin and im with 3, and i thought it was the phone:eek:.

anyway with all the hype about the antenae on the iphone 4, whats the chance that the network operators will release the phone onto their networks while the problem is still in the media?

drunkmonkey

I don't have that problem in dublin with 3, I never did, is that an offical 3 n97? You could set it to 3G only if your in dublin.

Yip i'd say they'll all still release the iphone and most people who buy it won't have a clue about the problem. It has the potential to destroy a network if they launch it and it's wrong, question which one has the balls to come out and say they won't launch until the problem is resolved.

donkey balls

yeah its an official 3 N97 handset i never knew you could set it to 3G only in dublin must have a look at my settings as i normally do what you said in your post by doing a manual search.

drunkmonkey

Leave it on auto, only set it to 3G only when your using data, that will stop it drifting.
Big problem with the iphone is you can't set it to 3G only.

naasrd

Simon201 wrote: »

This thread and all the 'I wont be buying one' posts are great news!

Now there might be half a chance of me being able to get one come the end of this month!

Yeah, this is all gonna turn out to be a storm looking for a tea cup.

mad muffin

mondeo wrote: »

Glad I'm still iphone4 less after reading that. Deliberately avoided the first batch so user/press reviews could be put out there first. Patience is a virtue.

Glad I got mine on release day as I'm enjoying mine immensely.

Also enjoying watching people running around in hysterics like headless chickens (and they don't even own an iP4).


Seriously this is such a non issue but a PR nightmare for Apple. This has just snowballed into an ugly farce (thanks to the internet and general media)

whiterebel

Johnmb wrote: »

So you're telling us what's wrong, why its wrong, and how to fix it, yet you don't actually own one and have no experience with it whatsoever.... I think that, right there, explains what the real problem with the iP4 is, some people had genuine problems with it, and then suddenly a load of people who don't know what they're talking about start mouthing off about it! There's not a lot anyone can do to appease those people, so I can't really blame Apple for not trying too hard to do so. The others with the genuine problems are being sorted from what I can see. Those who worry about displays rather than results will get the software fix, and those with faulty units get them replaced. All brands and models have faulty units, I once had to have a Siemens replaced twice! That was just really bad luck, the third unit I got was an excellent phone. The big difference was that nobody who didn't own one started telling me what Siemens had done wrong in the design.

+1
The amount of "experts" crawling out of the woodwork on this is ludicrous. Never used one, never held one, probably never seen one in the flesh, yet are now experts in mobile phone software and antenna design.Nearly all the problems are emanating from the US on this, and AT&T has been consistently panned since the first iPhone for its lack of coverage. Still, allows for the anti-Apple brigade to have a mindless rant......

fmcattack

Have the iPhone 4 on meteor....have the bumper on it and haven't noticed any signal loss issues....great phone, wouldnt sell it or return it...

RobbieTheRobber

Consumer reports on monday said it cant recommend people buy the iPhone 4, which may be fair enough.

Then yesterday consumer reports rates the iPhone 4 the best smartphone on the market

Wait; what?

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100712/consumer-reports-by-the-way-the-iphone-4-is-also-the-best-smartphone-on-the-market/

BrianD

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Consumer reports on monday said it cant recommend people buy the iPhone 4, which may be fair enough.

Then yesterday consumer reports rates the iPhone 4 the best smartphone on the market

Wait; what?

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100712/consumer-reports-by-the-way-the-iphone-4-is-also-the-best-smartphone-on-the-market/

No contradiction there. It says it has the best smart phone functionality but can't recommend it because of the antenna issue.

mad muffin

BrianD wrote: »

No contradiction there. It says it has the best smart phone functionality but can't recommend it because of the antenna issue.

So what you are saying is, here use this sub standard phone instead. It might not have an antenna issue but everything else sucks.

cojomo2

Pittens wrote: »

The idea that the OS stack in iOS is anything but miles ahead of Android is amusing to people who are technically aware.

In any case, once again, Android owners are commentating on the iPhone. I could go into the Android forum and explain why I think the Desire - which I have used - is a piece of rubbish but that would get a banning. Why are you here?

EDIT: OP is also an desire user. Jesus wept. Clearly these threads are trolls.

I have both an iphone 4 and a desire. I have also had a 3g and a 3gs.

I rather the desire than the iphone 4, I also rather the 3gs than the iph4. In my opinion, apple made a balls of the iph4.

2 distinct things I dislike about the iph4:

1: the obvious rubbish design of the antenna(main reason)
2: the phone is uncomfortable to hold, the desire or 3gs is so much more comfortable to hold/use.

the antenna issue is very real, I live in an area that only displays 1-2 bars(usually 1) on my desire/3gs. Low coverage yes, but never get dropped calls or 'no service' , except I do on the iph4 when I hold it the 'wrong' way.

While this issue is easily fixable with a case, it's still a serious design flaw and the way apple has responded(hold it different etc) has really made me view Apple in a new light. Have admired apple and Jobs ever since I got my first iphone,not so sure now.

In their defense though, they do have an excellent warranty and returns policy, so if this issue bothers you, you can get it replaced with a new unit(not that it will make any difference) no questions asked, or avail of a full refund within 30 days.

mad muffin

Was just listening to the news and they had a brief bulletin about CR not recommending the iP4 (they called it an influential magazine lol) and that Apple stock has taken a tumble because of that.


For the love of god, the iP4 isn't even sold in Ireland.:rolleyes: