Should the referee be banned?

123easy

Should the referee and his two umpires of the Louth-Meath game be banned?

WallyGUFC

123easy wrote: »

Should the referee and his two umpires of the Louth-Meath game be banned?

The umpire...thought the ref had a good game.

delta_bravo

Referee definitely not, had a good game until that incident. Dont think umpires can be banned really anyway.

DB10

He should be more worried about his well being than being banned.

No doubt he will receive shed loads of abuse and death threats. Lets hope he can rest out Navan.

StephenHendry

i think the ref and linesmen shouldnt be allowed referee another championship this year.


it now goes to show that video evidence should be used in the gaa. i think louth should get a replay, in spite of what some of their fans tried to do to the ref. the linesmen didnt even wave the green flag and i took this to mean that they were going to disallow the goal

homerjay2005

woopee another thread

they made mistakes, mistakes happen. just happened that this one was in the last minute and was costly. my main issue is that umpires are friends of the refs and sometimes are just lads out for a day out. they have no training, no qualifications from the GAA. that needs to change now.

its the people who attacked the ref that WILL be banned.

angeleyes

Umpires should have their eyes tested at the very least! Umpires in the Munster Hurling final just gave Cork a point that was well wide!

starlit

don't think he should. he was under pressure to make the decision when it was added time. i mis-judged it when i first saw the goal, thought the player kicked it in then when i saw the replay footage saw what the player did by throwing the ball in. it was probably hard for the ref to have seen what actually happened as the player was so close to the net and asumed the player kicked it in.

eoinbn

Banned? There is no way he will want to ref again.

DB10

If this was a club game, the referee and his umpires would be in the local hospital and some of them trapped in the back of a car booth.

starlit

DB10 wrote: »

He should be more worried about his well being than being banned.

No doubt he will receive shed loads of abuse and death threats. Lets hope he can rest out Navan.

didn't know he was from meath? :eek: maybe he was being biased.....:( still think he might need a hide out for a while until this situation blows over. maybe he just ref the qualifer matches instead of the big games!?

maybe its an idea if refs got some kind of training maybe they be better able to deal with these tough last minute decisions.

WhoDat

The referee and umpires should be banned from other matches in this championship.

panda100

No,thought he had quite a good game. It was the umpires at fault for the last decision.

Genuine question:Are umpires actually referees? What do you have to do to become an umpire?

I can completely understand the frustration of the Louth fans though.I really had to restrain myself last weekend with Thoam O'Se walking beside me after the Limerick game.

Frank Spencer

The referee was 99% at fault here. He never consulted either of his umpires. He just told him to wave the flag to indicate the "goal". The umpire should have opened his mouth but didn't but the referee should have asked both for their input before proceeding.

Umpires are brought by the referees themselves and in most cases are friends and relatives and aren't necessarily referees themselves. This has to be looked at by the GAA for top level games.

Shane732

No the ref shouldn't be banned. I don't think there many games where the refs doesn't make a mistake of some kind. There is always a level of error involved.

I don't think he'll be the ref for the all Ireland final though!

toiletduck

No, not at all. Thought he had a good game before the end.

delta_bravo

panda100 wrote: »

No,thought he had quite a good game. It was the umpires at fault for the last decision.

Genuine question:Are umpires actually referees? What do you have to do to become an umpire?

At county level a referee can bring their own umpires to games, these people are usually also referees. I would say this is the same case for inter county

corny

People don't seem to be able to come to terms with the fact referees are human and as such they'll make mistakes. Its unfortunate when it happens at the death but the ref hardly intended to rob Louth of the win.

amacachi

According to the Louth manager the referee didn't consult with the umpire, he just told him to put up the flag.

uberwolf

DB10 wrote: »

If this was a club game, the referee and his umpires would be in the local hospital and some of them trapped in the back of a car booth.

and that attitude and behaviour has no place in a civil society

stepbar

Frank Spencer wrote: »

The referee was 99% at fault here. He never consulted either of his umpires. He just told him to wave the flag to indicate the "goal". The umpire should have opened his mouth but didn't but the referee should have asked both for their input before proceeding.

Umpires are brought by the referees themselves and in most cases are friends and relatives and aren't necessarily referees themselves. This has to be looked at by the GAA for top level games.

This is the real issue. Properly trained umpires are needed.

DDC1990

Yes 100%. He had his mind up, didn't consult the umpires, just told them straight to put up the Green Flag.

Whatever you say about amatures, if you don't do your job right (consult with the umpires properly) then you should be fired.

He's robbed Louth, plain and simple.

amacachi

stepbar wrote: »

This is the real issue. Properly trained umpires are needed.

I agree umpires with sight are required, however today the referee simply told the umpire to put up the flag.

lolzer

At first I felt a lot of sympathy for the ref and I blamed the umpires but then the Louth manager claimed that the ref didn't even consult the umpires and just held up the flag. If this is the case then yes, the ref should certainly be banned.

123easy

My problem with the referee is that he made an immediate decison on the spot barely consulted with one umpire and no consulation at all with the second one.

Given the incredibly contentious nature of the decision he should have spent longer deliberating & ensuring he had all the facts. That is why I believe he should be banned.

Before the next championship game all umpires should be required to get their eyes tested and submit the results to the GAA just like when you apply for a driving test.

Fattes

Watch the incident again the Ref did not wiat for or ask for the umpires opinion he just told him to RAISE THE FLAG!

For that reason alone he should be banned showed incredibly poor judgment on his part not to consult with his officials.

ZeRoY

angeleyes wrote: »

Umpires should have their eyes tested at the very least! Umpires in the Munster Hurling final just gave Cork a point that was well wide!

Sadly the Umpires were not ask their opinion... The ref went over to ask the Umpire to put the flag up, not to give his version of event.

seniorolaighin

homerjay2005 wrote: »

woopee another thread

its the people who attacked the ref that WILL be banned.

I agree - its unfortunate what happened in terms of the game - but thats sport....not just GAA, every realm of sport has issues that supporters wont be happy with.

But as for the "supporters" who attacked the ref - they should be ashamed of themselves and the GAA should be too - this crap of letting people run on the field like the wild animals they are, needs to be stopped! If the ref had disallowed the goal would we be looking at a situation where the meath supporters may have been hassling the ref.

Either way it reflects bad on the GAAs "supporters" and Irish sport.

ShatterProof

Cant see him going back unless charges are brought and he has the full backing of gaa

Digits

Doubt he'il be reffing at inter-county level anytime soon anyway.

JodyB

Don't think the ref had that good a match before that. Think he was playing for a draw at the end. There was over 3 mins gone when he let play go on and Meath got the "goal". It was very poor judgement not to take the time to consult properly with his umpires. If he'd even turned around and looked at the replay on the big screen he would have seen it wasn't a goal. Guess that's not allowed. Think he should be removed from the panel and the umpires. No point in bringing umpires who won't speak up. No place for the carry on by supporters afterwards though.

Beached

What happened today was disgraceful.
The Louth supporters who approached the ref were quiet visable and are gonna face trouble from this.
http://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/10070082/

What I think is the GAA will go after the "supporters", for two reasons.
1 to protect the ref
2 to emphisise the need to ban pitch invasions.
I actually think today might be the last pitch invasion ever in Croke Park

Bambaata

i thought the ref had a howler the whole way. there were multiple inconsistencies the whole way which impacted both sides!

Bambaata

JodyB wrote: »

Don't think the ref had that good a match before that. Think he was playing for a draw at the end. There was over 3 mins gone when he let play go on and Meath got the "goal". It was very poor judgement not to take the time to consult properly with his umpires. If he'd even turned around and looked at the replay on the big screen he would have seen it wasn't a goal. Guess that's not allowed. Think he should be removed from the panel and the umpires. No point in bringing umpires who won't speak up. No place for the carry on by supporters afterwards though.

he had to play that time. a louth player kicked the ball away bloody twice leading up to it which wasted a minute at the very least.

Bambaata

Beached wrote: »

What happened today was disgraceful.
The Louth supporters who approached the ref were quiet visable and are gonna face trouble from this.
http://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/10070082/

What I think is the GAA will go after the "supporters", for two reasons.
1 to protect the ref
2 to emphisise the need to ban pitch invasions.
I actually think today might be the last pitch invasion ever in Croke Park

i sure hope so

millington

Bambaata wrote: »

i thought the ref had a howler the whole way. there were multiple inconsistencies the whole way which impacted both sides!

I agree, I seen him look directly at Rooney getting pushed over and waving play on till a Meath player ran straight up to a pitch and just collided with a Louth man to get a free, ridiculous!

chinguetti

Haven't read the full thread as just in the door from Thurles. The ref was let down by his umpires, he was 50 yards away and the two umpires had a clear view of the incident. The ref will get all the stick but the umpires are at fault. Also umpires in Thurles at the Waterford end gave a wide as a point which was a clear wide to everyone in the ground.

Its about time umpires at inter county games were referees, not friends of the referee.

mattock

Martin Sludden , should not be banned dont be stupid, he made a wrong decision as did everyone on the field today and every day.
This man will have to carry this with him for the rest of his life, Louth should never have been in the situation they arsed about with the free beforehand trying to keep the ball in there own half instead of finishing meath off.
I am totally disgusted with the behaviour of some of our fans some of these guys I know well and are Louth fans to the backbone, these guys would not normally be fighting men or thuggish, I think the blood just boiled over, and i also think the same men will put there hands up to the relevant authorities and apologize and take there punishment, which they deserve
What was more worrying was the chanting about the IRA etc outside the ground, the Gardai should have arrested these morons.
Also why are they selling beer in bottles in the stadium totally mental, the gardai were taking cans of beer of some fans and CP was selling beer in bottles.

millington

chinguetti wrote: »

Haven't read the full thread as just in the door from Thurles. The ref was let down by his umpires, he was 50 yards away and the two umpires had a clear view of the incident. The ref will get all the stick but the umpires are at fault/QUOTE]
The referee told the umpire to put up the flag, he didn't ask him if it was a goal, he told him it was a goal, so blame the referee!

rebel girl 15

Sounds like we will have a load of people volunteering to be referees and umpires - a load of people think that the ref had a howler, how about ye go out and try it and see how hard it is before you pass judgement

the ref is human - he made a mistake, and will probably be taken off the list now. Fair dues mattock for your post

Diabhal Beag

The referee was let down by his umpires. They ****ed Louth over along with the Louth no.9 who missed some handy frees.

millington

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

The referee was let down by his umpires. They ****ed Louth over along with the Louth no.9 who missed some handy frees.

White's frees were very poor today but he played well enough otherwise and has been just fantastic in the campaign overall!

Diabhal Beag

millington wrote: »

White's frees were very poor today but he played well enough otherwise and has been just fantastic in the campaign overall!

I agree ye were great. Just because ye played well doesn't mean ye have a God given right to get a rematch. I feel for the supporters but the near riot ruined your cause for a replay.

Hammer Archer

millington wrote: »

I agree, I seen him look directly at Rooney getting pushed over and waving play on till a Meath player ran straight up to a pitch and just collided with a Louth man to get a free, ridiculous!

I see you conveniently forgot all the times that Sludden favoured Louth for the 70 minutes. Constant diving by Louth players was being rewarded by the ref and several of your scored frees was a result of Louth players diving. Crawford got a yellow for going into a 50/50 ball with a Louth player and in the little schimozzle that followed, Seamus Kenny had his eyes gouged by Louth's No. 11. Again nothing said by the ref and Louth got to within a point with the resulting free.

Also I counted at least 3 occasions where a Meath player was adjudged to have touched the ball on the ground when the ball was clearly off the ground.

Louth got at least 2 or 3 points from shocking refereeing decisions but of course no one says anything about them. Big bad Meath cheating again.

millington

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I agree ye were great. Just because ye played well doesn't mean ye have a God given right to get a rematch. I feel for the supporters but the near riot ruined your cause for a replay.

I don't think there should be a replay, don't tar us all with the one brush

amacachi

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I see you conveniently forgot all the times that Sludden favoured Louth for the 70 minutes. Constant diving by Louth players was being rewarded by the ref and several of you scored frees was a result of Louth players diving. Crawford got a yellow for going into a 50/50 ball with a Louth player and in the little schimozzle that followed, Seamus Kenny had his eyes gouged by Louth's No. 11. Again nothing said by the ref and Louth got to within a point with the resulting free.

LOL, guessing you don't know the difference between gouging and a facemask. If he was gouging him for as long as he had his hand on his face he'd be blind. It was a bookable offence, but it wasn't gouging.

Hammer Archer

amacachi wrote: »

LOL, guessing you don't know the difference between gouging and a facemask. If he was gouging him for as long as he had his hand on his face he'd be blind. It was a bookable offence, but it wasn't gouging.

So you agree that the free should have been switched to a throw up? Definite red card in my opinion. Deliberate contact with the face and eye area while Kenny was on the ground.

amacachi

Hammer Archer wrote: »

So you agree that the free should have been switched to a throw up? Definite red card in my opinion. Deliberate contact with the face and eye area while Kenny was on the ground.

ROFL. There would've been at least 4 players sent off from each team if you're going to start sending everyone off for contact with the face. It was a booking for sure. Of course just watching the highlights there should've been a free given to Louth just before Judge had a brainfart. We could do this all day, there were a few frees given to both teams during the match that I couldn't see how it should've been a free either way.

Hammer Archer

amacachi wrote: »

ROFL. There would've been at least 4 players sent off from each team if you're going to start sending everyone off for contact with the face. It was a booking for sure. Of course just watching the highlights there should've been a free given to Louth just before Judge had a brainfart. We could do this all day, there were a few frees given to both teams during the match that I couldn't see how it should've been a free either way.

Strange I saw no other incidents of this kind. So once again, you agree that this point for Louth should not have stood.
As both Colm o Rourke and the other analyst just said on the Sunday Game, the majority of the bad decisions went against Meath today.

CyberDave

The Ref is only human. He made a mistake. I'm sure he knows at this stsge he was wrong, but to ban him would be harsh. He definately wont get any more matches anyway this year, so there is no need.

Frogeye

I can only imagine the fustration felt by the louth supporters today but i wouldn't blame the ref or the umpires.

Louth fluffed two goal chances in the first half and kicked an amount of wides. Fair enough the "goal" is easy to highlight but if the corner forward had stuck that first goal chance it wouldn't matter what happened in injury time.

Its a typical GAA reaction. Score 10 or twelve points , miss 2-10 or there abouts, lose by 1 or 2 and then , instead of blaming the forwards, blame the ref. Happens in a lot of tight games. The ref robbed us etc etc. I don't think the ref really cares who wins. think most refs call it as they see it.

Maybe they should fit a little camera to a head band and then you could see what the ref sees. might show the reasons why they go certain ways etc .,,,

there has been a lot going on over the recent years with player power, strikes etc. I think the refs should go on strike. They have the real power. No ref , no game. end of.

If they had any balls they'd be long gone out. The abuse they take at all levels is unreal and unjustified. The players( and fans) wouldn't be too long treating refs better if they suddenly had no games because there were no refs.

As for the bucks trying to attack the ref....... the attempts at assulting him were patetic and were nearly more shameful than the fact that they attacked him! Its them boys should be banned.