Not a Word

shellyriver

Wow, not a word from any of this forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders, about a certain case in Supreme Court where a certain lady,who whinged about human rights when the tap wasn't running with the appropriately heated water, and who doesn't event bother to turn up to hear the decision, having being represented by Ireland's King Igbo was dismissed.

Deafening the silence. All those boring, misinformed, deluded, wanna-be cosmopolitans, demented arty libertarians and idiot lefties, ranging from a Mayor of Sligo who utterly bankrupted the corporate kudos of a civic reception to those fools who protested on the steps of Sligo Courthouse. I mean how deluded can you be and are?

As for all the hideous propaganda about child mutilation and its direct association with that case etc, anyone associated with the dissemination of that muck should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Back to scrounging out a new cause to sustain their ridiculous meaningless existences to generate some vitality and meaning. If only they could find land-mines in Ballintrillick or a rare anthropoid near the Bohey to campaign about. Alas, this gig's run out of steam.

As for the majority of Boardies, based on the content of debate to date, its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities.

Mint Sauce

i assume we are talking about the lady who recently lost her right for her and her kids to stay in ireland.

as far as i know there are at least a couple of threads on this across the boards website. if memory serves me correctly there was also a thread on this very board (sligo forum) that may have been locked due to the way it was going, bobcar or fozzle may be able to confirm this.

plus this is a regional forum, with a small community, this development only happened in the last couple of days, those sligo residents with an interest may not have been online to comment

as for my self, dont know enough on the case to have a valid comment

blackiebest

shellyriver wrote: »

Wow, not a word from any of this forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders, about a certain case in Supreme Court where a certain lady,who whinged about human rights when the tap wasn't running with the appropriately heated water, and who doesn't event bother to turn up to hear the decision, having being represented by Ireland's King Igbo was dismissed.

Deafening the silence. All those boring, misinformed, deluded, wanna-be cosmopolitans, demented arty libertarians and idiot lefties, ranging from a Mayor of Sligo who utterly bankrupted the corporate kudos of a civic reception to those fools who protested on the steps of Sligo Courthouse. I mean how deluded can you be and are?

As for all the hideous propaganda about child mutilation and its direct association with that case etc, anyone associated with the dissemination of that muck should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Back to scrounging out a new cause to sustain their ridiculous meaningless existences to generate some vitality and meaning. If only they could find land-mines in Ballintrillick or a rare anthropoid near the Bohey to campaign about. Alas, this gig's run out of steam.

As for the majority of Boardies, based on the content of debate to date, its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities.

Do you really think the above could stimulate a reply of any substance? Maybe Shelly you might wish to know that the structure of your posts is off-putting to many boardsies, especially me. Why dont you read the above, aloud and to yourself, to hear how 'aloof' it sounds.

Pamela and her kids are soon to be deported, rightly, and she has done so much damage to genuine refugee applicants. Big deal, I supported her case untill it was shown up to be a sham. I think it is sad her kids will be taken from the only environment they know.

The whole case is wrong. I feel terrible that her children will now be the real victims of this sorry saga.

Vintagekits

blackiebest wrote: »

Do you really think the above could stimulate a reply of any substance? Maybe Shelly you might wish to know that the structure of your posts is off-putting to many boardsies, especially me. Why dont you read the above, aloud and to yourself, to hear how 'aloof' it sounds.

Pamela and her kids are soon to be deported, rightly, and she has done so much damage to genuine refugee applicants. Big deal, I supported her case untill it was shown up to be a sham. I think it is sad her kids will be taken from the only environment they know.

The whole case is wrong. I feel terrible that her children will now be the real victims of this sorry saga.

Actually Shelly is 100% bang on with what he say. The "band of self-righteous pretentious do-gooders" propaganda monkeys that have played rats to her pied piper have done more damage to the cause they were supposedly defending and they dont even realise it - actually I hope they do.

It was obvious to most that she was a bullshíter from the get-go but many were far to "right on" to come out and call it like it was - why? Because they are racists! Yes racists!

Radharc na Sleibhte

Fair play to the powers that be that didn't roll over for the pc crowd, as they knew the truth like we all did. Hopefully the kids won't be too displaced and can be equally happy in their own country.

sligopark

PC/greens/do gooder labour nuts...

Although its not as well put as could Shelly makes a fair point.

The lying scammer is now on her way to the European courts to try and force us to keep her.

And who is paying for the legal gravy train she is ariding?

Us.

How much do you think this has all cost? Imagine that given to Sligo General or increased garda patrols to keep us safer round the town?

PS given that 95% of these asylum seekers fail to to achieve such and that they travel here via another EU country why is the government not immediately retruning them to their countries of origin? How much are these scammers costing the country? Wouldn't that money go a long way to defraying cuts to civil services? Why is no one speaking up?

I read a great article by a chap Cormac Lucey in the Irish Daily Mail yesterday - I looked for it on the net but can't find it - well worth reading "This tide of fake claims for asylum is an insult to us - and harms real refugees'

SprostonGreen

Can we get the money back from her, that has her fed, watered and housed and no doubt funded her sham court cases. Money back now and then boot out this illegal.

sligopark

I doubt she 'll even be charged with fraud and perjury. She 'll instead be funded by you and I to appeal her case to Europe...

Buford T Justice

shellyriver wrote: »

As for the majority of Boardies, based on the content of debate to date, its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities.

Shelly, I agree with all you have said with the exception of the above. I am following this story with great intent as I am very interested in it. However, if you do a quick search of this particular forum you will see that there has been at least one or two threads that have been locked, one of which I started about the whole washing machine and hot water thing. I didn't bother starting a thread here for a few reasons. Last time I tried to have this discussion I was badgered left right and center for not being on the brigade of let her stay, and was called amongst other things a racist, and had a few personal insults thrown at me. I can do without that, so I kept to the thread in politics this time, as there are a few there that are better at articulating their point of view than me.

irish-stew wrote: »

plus this is a regional forum, with a small community, this development only happened in the last couple of days, those sligo residents with an interest may not have been online to comment

See post above Stewie.

blackiebest wrote: »

Pamela and her kids are soon to be deported, rightly, and she has done so much damage to genuine refugee applicants. Big deal, I supported her case untill it was shown up to be a sham. I think it is sad her kids will be taken from the only environment they know.

The whole case is wrong. I feel terrible that her children will now be the real victims of this sorry saga.

I say kudos to you Blackie. You are the only person I know who was on the let her stay brigade that paid attention to all the information that was presented, and made a judgment on that. You did change your mind, and I think it was very big of you to so and openly admit it. The rest of the brigade have just slinked away into the distance without a word. even their website has disappeared. A lot of high profile people put their names on the line for her, and ended up embarrassed over it

I wonder if she will stay here for the ECHR hearing, or if she will be deported before hand

shellyriver

That's sound Fingers.

Last time I wrote about this (basically, asking the hard questions like where is the evidence for much of the hysteria -- daring to question whether the likes of Philip Boucher-Hayes et al were essentially deluding themselves) the thread was shut down pronto. Got an infraction for even starting this thread!!:eek:

With the exception of a few posters here, just disappointed with the content of discussion, generally, it is just so puerile and po-faced. You can't even have a bit of laugh without seriously sensitivities being stoked up.

Anyways, on a positive let's hope Rover and Boys in Black do a little bit of business over the week.:)

Vintagekits

I would just like to personally thank Councillor Veronica Cawley for honouring Pamela with a civic reception on all of our behalf!

Nice one Ronnie, keep the good work up.

CokaColumbo

shellyriver wrote: »

Wow, not a word from any of this forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders....

Deafening the silence. All those boring, misinformed, deluded, wanna-be cosmopolitans, demented arty libertarians and idiot lefties...

Back to scrounging out a new cause to sustain their ridiculous meaningless existences to generate some vitality and meaning...

Tragic feeble mentalities.

You must have been describing yourself when you used the word 'pretentious'.

Vintagekits

CokaColumbo wrote: »

You must have been describing yourself when you used the word 'pretentious'.

brave, honest, truthful, willing to stick his head above an unpopular "uncool" parapet. They were the words that sprung to my mind with regards his postings to be honest, but not pretentious. Pretension requires someone is adopting an merited or unjustified position, it appears to me that Shelly was right all along and those who choose to brow beat him/her were truly the pretentious mob, not that they would admit to it.

They have done more for the likes of the odious Stormfront and various other right wing groupings in Ireland than anyone could imagine. However, maybe some of the moral high ground will be taken away from the likes of those that defended Pamela so strongly and so long and there can no be a debate about the level of bogus asylum seekers coming to Ireland, most notably from Nigeria, without the colour or their skin or 'race' being brought into the equation.

CokaColumbo

Vintagekits wrote: »

brave, honest, truthful, willing to stick his head above an unpopular "uncool" parapet. They were the words that sprung to my mind with regards his postings to be honest, but not pretentious. Pretension requires someone is adopting an merited or unjustified position, it appears to me that Shelly was right all along and those who choose to brow beat him/her were truly the pretentious mob, not that they would admit to it.

They have done more for the likes of the odious Stormfront and various other right wing groupings in Ireland than anyone could imagine. However, maybe some of the moral high ground will be taken away from the likes of those that defended Pamela so strongly and so long and there can no be a debate about the level of bogus asylum seekers coming to Ireland, most notably from Nigeria, without the colour or their skin or 'race' being brought into the equation.

I was implying that his writing style was pretentious because it takes on a very pompous air.

T runner

shellyriver wrote: »

Wow, not a word from any of this forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders, about a certain case in Supreme Court where a certain lady,who whinged about human rights when the tap wasn't running with the appropriately heated water, and who doesn't event bother to turn up to hear the decision, having being represented by Ireland's King Igbo was dismissed.

Deafening the silence. All those boring, misinformed, deluded, wanna-be cosmopolitans, demented arty libertarians and idiot lefties, ranging from a Mayor of Sligo who utterly bankrupted the corporate kudos of a civic reception to those fools who protested on the steps of Sligo Courthouse. I mean how deluded can you be and are?

As for all the hideous propaganda about child mutilation and its direct association with that case etc, anyone associated with the dissemination of that muck should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Back to scrounging out a new cause to sustain their ridiculous meaningless existences to generate some vitality and meaning. If only they could find land-mines in Ballintrillick or a rare anthropoid near the Bohey to campaign about. Alas, this gig's run out of steam.

As for the majority of Boardies, based on the content of debate to date, its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities.

You dont have much of an opinion about anyone....bar yourself obviously. A most unpleasant, possibly unstable post.

T runner

Vintagekits wrote: »

brave, honest, truthful, willing to stick his head above an unpopular "uncool" parapet. They were the words that sprung to my mind with regards his postings to be honest, but not pretentious. Pretension requires someone is adopting an merited or unjustified position, it appears to me that Shelly was right all along and those who choose to brow beat him/her were truly the pretentious mob, not that they would admit to it.

They have done more for the likes of the odious Stormfront and various other right wing groupings in Ireland than anyone could imagine. However, maybe some of the moral high ground will be taken away from the likes of those that defended Pamela so strongly and so long and there can no be a debate about the level of bogus asylum seekers coming to Ireland, most notably from Nigeria, without the colour or their skin or 'race' being brought into the equation.

Defending someone whom you believe warrants asylum protection is not always motivated by seeking the moral high ground.

If Pamela is sent home she will be officially guaranteed safety by an agreement between Ireland and Nigeria where Ireland gives money for the asylum seeker to be brought back into society.

In one of the most corrupt countries in the world this money is pocketed by the Nigerian Official. The Irish government has NEVER received feedback as to what happenned tehse returned asylum seekers. Clearly they dont care. A box has been ticked. Rape, violence and murder are commonplace among the Nigerian police force.

I would be extremely worried about the welfare of Pamela and her children on their return.

Even though a hundred thousand people have been displaced from the Niger Delta, even though journalists etc are regularly beaten Nigeria is still on the UN "OK" list. Got bless their Oil!

A lot of immigrants from Nigeria dont get asylum becuase if they did people would be forced to look at the causes of much of the human misery there.
Western Oil companies.

Our concience is clear though. Sure dont we give the Nigerian government cash to protect these people when tehy are sent back.

How you can call that crazy, self righteous, idiotic insulting post that started this thread "brave" and " honest" is mind boggling.

"this forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders..........All those boring, misinformed, deluded, wanna-be cosmopolitans, demented arty libertarians and idiot lefties.......Back to scrounging out a new cause to sustain their ridiculous meaningless existences to generate some vitality and meaning. If only they could find land-mines in Ballintrillick or a rare anthropoid near the Bohey to campaign about.......As for the majority of Boardies, based on the content of debate to date, its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities.


And the very worst.


"As for all the hideous propaganda about child mutilation"

Nigeria claims Female Genital Mutilation (cutting off the cliterus) is illegal in Nigeria. There has not being one single presecution since the Law was brought in over a decade ago, despite 30% of teh female population being mutilated in this way..

And why is FGM not grounds for asylum in Ireland and other western countries. Because it is illegal in Nigeria.

I saw Shellyriver complaining that she/he got an infraction. That was mild if you ask me

T runner

shellyriver wrote: »

You can't even have a bit of laugh without seriously sensitivities being stoked up.

It is dishonest and cowardly of you to insinuate your intial post was "a bit of a laugh". You accused "the majority of boardsies" of having a "feeble mentality". Your original post is either quite unstable or a serious troll. I think an infraction was very lenient indeed. Did you use your having " a bit of your laugh" mistruth to slither out of a more severe punishment I wonder?

TequilaMockingBird

Probably best not to engage T Runner. It's banging head off brick wall territory.

redarmyblues

I don't know the rights and wrongs of this case but the OP must be entirely ignorant of the law if he gets so riled up when he believes somebody has lied or misled the courts for personal advantage as far as I can see it is all that happens in the courts..

CityMan2010

Is this some sort of therapy thread? Hope it is...Glad you got that off your chest? Breathe deeply now...

shellyriver wrote: »

Wow, not a word from any of this forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders, about a certain case in Supreme Court where a certain lady,who whinged about human rights when the tap wasn't running with the appropriately heated water, and who doesn't event bother to turn up to hear the decision, having being represented by Ireland's King Igbo was dismissed.

Deafening the silence. All those boring, misinformed, deluded, wanna-be cosmopolitans, demented arty libertarians and idiot lefties, ranging from a Mayor of Sligo who utterly bankrupted the corporate kudos of a civic reception to those fools who protested on the steps of Sligo Courthouse. I mean how deluded can you be and are?

As for all the hideous propaganda about child mutilation and its direct association with that case etc, anyone associated with the dissemination of that muck should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Back to scrounging out a new cause to sustain their ridiculous meaningless existences to generate some vitality and meaning. If only they could find land-mines in Ballintrillick or a rare anthropoid near the Bohey to campaign about. Alas, this gig's run out of steam.

As for the majority of Boardies, based on the content of debate to date, its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities.

sligopark

Isn’t it a shame shelly river turned out to be right that P.Izevbekhai was a fraudulent, perjuring scammer thereby condemning those entitled to asylum from Nigeria to be ridiculed and opened to possible accusation of being the same. And she used her children as a pawn point. Shameful really.

And then there are a couple of points. Where is the direct route from Nigeria to Ireland? Why do we tolerate those wishing to scammer asylum status exploit Dublin 2?

She has done more for racism that stormfront or anyone else and the government, supposedly our representatives acting on our collective behalf paid for it.

T runner wrote: »

Defending someone whom you believe warrants asylum protection is not always motivated by seeking the moral high ground.

It is before fuller examination of the facts. If not hysterical.

T runner wrote: »

The Irish government has NEVER received feedback as to what happenned tehse returned asylum seekers.

Have you evidence of this?

T runner wrote: »

"As for all the hideous propaganda about child mutilation"

Nigeria claims Female Genital Mutilation (cutting off the cliterus) is illegal in Nigeria. There has not being one single presecution since the Law was brought in over a decade ago, despite 30% of teh female population being mutilated in this way..

And why is FGM not grounds for asylum in Ireland and other western countries. Because it is illegal in Nigeria.

I think the point rightly made by shellyriver was P. Izevbekhai’s emotive exploitation of this mutilation and the lie that she had lost a child to this previously. And made this claim twice only for the first and second claim to be found to be untruthful and without foundation.

It was the basis of her scam.

Unfortunately she will probably neither be charged with perjury nor fraud.

T runner wrote: »

I saw Shellyriver complaining that she/he got an infraction. That was mild if you ask me

An infraction – ban?

Sure wouldn’t liberal do gooders and greens love anyone willing to ask about claims to be banned and opinion censored.

When did liberals become the new Nazis?

T runner

sligopark wrote: »

She has done more for racism that stormfront or anyone else and the government, supposedly our representatives acting on our collective behalf paid for it.

The state must allow representation for asylum seekers if thats what youre getting at. This is ensured by the UN. Do you objest to this? Sounds like an argument Stormfront might make.

It is before fuller examination of the facts. If not hysterical.

I dont understand what you are taking about here to be honest. Are you saying that no-one should have had an opinion until all the facts were known?

Have you evidence of this?

Yes i have. I have produced it on the politics forum and quite possibly on the closed fora here. If you dont believe me have a look yourself. I have no intention of searching for it again.

I think the point rightly made by shellyriver was P. Izevbekhai’s emotive exploitation of this mutilation and the lie that she had lost a child to this previously. And made this claim twice only for the first and second claim to be found to be untruthful and without foundation.

No she called it "hideous propaganda about child mutilation". Clearly either does not believe FGM exists and is only propaganda. Absolutey disgusting.

Sure wouldn’t liberal do gooders and greens love anyone willing to ask about claims to be banned and opinion censored.

When did liberals become the new Nazis?

What are you talking about now? Can you please argue your point if youre able instead of resorting to boring tavtics of pigeon holing and stereotyping.

If someone fires out hysterical abuse such as she did including insulting most of the posters on this forum then she should get a lenghty ban in my opinion. Pretending she was having "a laugh" as she did is evidence only of cowardice and is not not mitigation.

CityMan2010

To The Moderators:

Why wasnt this thread removed due to the same criteria as specified in Post 720 Sligo Stores Closing?

shellyriver wrote: »

Wow, not a word from any of this forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders, about a certain case in Supreme Court where a certain lady,who whinged about human rights when the tap wasn't running with the appropriately heated water, and who doesn't event bother to turn up to hear the decision, having being represented by Ireland's King Igbo was dismissed.

Deafening the silence. All those boring, misinformed, deluded, wanna-be cosmopolitans, demented arty libertarians and idiot lefties, ranging from a Mayor of Sligo who utterly bankrupted the corporate kudos of a civic reception to those fools who protested on the steps of Sligo Courthouse. I mean how deluded can you be and are?

As for all the hideous propaganda about child mutilation and its direct association with that case etc, anyone associated with the dissemination of that muck should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Back to scrounging out a new cause to sustain their ridiculous meaningless existences to generate some vitality and meaning. If only they could find land-mines in Ballintrillick or a rare anthropoid near the Bohey to campaign about. Alas, this gig's run out of steam.

As for the majority of Boardies, based on the content of debate to date, its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities.

UrbanSea

CityMan2010 wrote: »

To The Moderators:

Why wasnt this thread removed due to the same criteria as specified in Post 720 Sligo Stores Closing?

Has there been direct abusing of other posters?
I'm failing in my attempt to understand this case. So she lied and got found out,why is she still here?

CityMan2010

I would consider "forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders" and "its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities" to be general abuse of people who use Boards.ie. I'm surprised that this can go unchallenged.

greetings wrote: »

Has there been direct abusing of other posters?
I'm failing in my attempt to understand this case. So she lied and got found out,why is she still here?

UrbanSea

CityMan2010 wrote: »

I would consider "forum's hackneyed, formerly wordy, quasi-lawyers, its band of righteous pretentious do-gooders" and "its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities" to be general abuse of people who use Boards.ie. I'm surprised that this can go unchallenged.

I wouldn't say that's direct abuse.

tedshredsonfire

cityman its obvioulsy a decision for the mods and if it bothers you report the post but shelly is entitled to her opinion and at least she insulted everyone and didn't pick on any individual. Debate is good when opinions differ.

CityMan2010

No, it doesnt bother me personally. Why should an unhinged outburst bother me? However the thread was generally insulting to a group, ie: those who use Sligo Boards.ie. I consider that to be unacceptable.

If a similar attack had been directed at a particular race or religion the story would have been different would it not?

For sure, debate is good when it is civil.

PS: I did mark my reply for the attention of the Moderators. If they do consider insults aimed at groups to be acceptable, well thats up to them.

tedshredsonfire wrote: »

cityman its obvioulsy a decision for the mods and if it bothers you report the post but shelly is entitled to her opinion and at least she insulted everyone and didn't pick on any individual. Debate is good when opinions differ.

TequilaMockingBird

When a mod does log on, the thread will just be locked. Same old, same old.

Mint Sauce

shelly didn't insult or abuse anyone in particular, and tbh, i think people would only find it insulting to them if they allow it to be, as for the moderation of the thread, you can see they have been infracted for their post from the red card received

sligopark

I think shelly found them out for what they were when the facts became more than apparent - no foul

CityMan2010

There are no redeeming or worthwhile qualities of a keyboard warrior.

Buford T Justice

T runner wrote: »

If Pamela is sent home she will be officially guaranteed safety by an agreement between Ireland and Nigeria where Ireland gives money for the asylum seeker to be brought back into society.

In one of the most corrupt countries in the world this money is pocketed by the Nigerian Official. The Irish government has NEVER received feedback as to what happenned tehse returned asylum seekers.

Has it occurred to you, that she if full of the shite? She submitted fraudulent documents, denied they were a fughesi, then tried to get some more, and then submitted to it. If she lied about this, isn't it conceivable that she made up the whole story to get asylum here as an economic migrant? Or are you still blinkered by this story, and the endless facts and references that you keep spouting about the prevalence of FGM in Nigeria.

Tell you what, lets make a few calls and grant asylum to all the women in Nigeria, and fly them over here while we're at it, cos lets face it, its far more important to focus on the problems of other countries than our own


All this from a woman who wasn't even present in the supreme court for her ruling to be made. One would think that that ranks pretty high on the importance scale for someone. Did she have to work or something?

CityMan2010 wrote: »

There are no redeeming or worthwhile qualities of a keyboard warrior.

<insert whimsical quote here> Why bother posting in this thread if you don't have anything to contribute to it?

Essexboy

Fingers McGee wrote: »

Has it occurred to you, that she if full of the shite? She submitted fraudulent documents, denied they were a fughesi, then tried to get some more, and then submitted to it. If she lied about this, isn't it conceivable that she made up the whole story to get asylum here as an economic migrant? Or are you still blinkered by this story, and the endless facts and references that you keep spouting about the prevalence of FGM in Nigeria.

Tell you what, lets make a few calls and grant asylum to all the women in Nigeria, and fly them over here while we're at it, cos lets face it, its far more important to focus on the problems of other countries than our own


All this from a woman who wasn't even present in the supreme court for her ruling to be made. One would think that that ranks pretty high on the importance scale for someone. Did she have to work or something?





<insert whimsical quote here> Why bother posting in this thread if you don't have anything to contribute to it?

denied they were a fughesi,

What is "a fughesi"?

Mint Sauce

Essexboy wrote: »

denied they were a fughesi,

What is "a fughesi"?

fake

Buford T Justice

Essexboy wrote: »

denied they were a fughesi,

What is "a fughesi"?

Fughesi:
an object or thing that is fake; an imitation; a phony


That diamond is a fughesi.

T runner

Fingers McGee wrote: »

Has it occurred to you, that she if full of the shite?

I dont know what you mean by your interpretaion of "full of ****e". Are you "full of ****e" for example?

She submitted fraudulent documents, denied they were a fughesi, then tried to get some more, and then submitted to it.

What do you mean by submitted to it?




In the year of her daughters alleged death there were fifty something death certificates processed in the area. The population of that area is greater than Liverpool. There must have been 20 times that number of deaths there. If a Cert is needed for proof of death, looks like a forgery is necessary.Yes she submitted a fraudulent document. Things arent black and white.

If she lied about this, isn't it conceivable that she made up the whole story to get asylum here as an economic migrant?

It is conceivable. As I have pointed out there is also a rational and quite understandeable reason why one might have to forge any document in Nigeria. So forged a document does not automatically imply made the whole thing up.

Or are you still blinkered by this story, and the endless facts and references that you keep spouting about the prevalence of FGM in Nigeria.

So If I dont accept 100% your interpration that Pamela forging a document in Nigeria automatically means she made up the whole story then you interpretate this as blinkered? A little bit self righteous arent you?

Tell you what, lets make a few calls and grant asylum to all the women in Nigeria, and fly them over here while we're at it, cos lets face it, its far more important to focus on the problems of other countries than our own

Why would you grant asylum to all the women in Nigeria?

If you believe that Ireland should stop granting asylum to foreign nationals then you must disagree with The UN handbook on asylum which is accepted around the world. In effect Ireland would have to leave the UN? Are you advocating this? If not then what are you talking about?

All this from a woman who wasn't even present in the supreme court for her ruling to be made. One would think that that ranks pretty high on the importance scale for someone. Did she have to work or something?

Showing the nasty streak again.

<insert whimsical quote here> Why bother posting in this thread if you don't have anything to contribute to it?

I think he/she is making quite a valuable contribution but thats only my opinion. Youre opinion is different although you should be reminded your opinion is just that NOT a fact.

Buford T Justice

T runner wrote: »

I dont know what you mean by your interpretaion of "full of ****e". Are you "full of ****e" for example?

If I said that I was on a secret mission to outer space, then yes, I would be full of shite. Does that make it clearer.

If not, let me clarify, Has it ever occurred to you that her reason for seeking asylum (fear of FGM) is not bona fide? (again, for absolute clarity, I am not talking about the prevalence of FGM, but the specific risk in her case) Would you not even consider the possibility that she was at the time of her application an economic migrant?

T runner wrote: »

What do you mean by submitted to it?

In the year of her daughters alleged death there were fifty something death certificates processed in the area. The population of that area is greater than Liverpool. There must have been 20 times that number of deaths there. If a Cert is needed for proof of death, looks like a forgery is necessary.Yes she submitted a fraudulent document. Things arent black and white.

Interesting how you are stating as fact that there were fifty something death certificates issued in the area but you are speculating as to the actual number.

T runner wrote: »

It is conceivable. As I have pointed out there is also a rational and quite understandeable reason why one might have to forge any document in Nigeria. So forged a document does not automatically imply made the whole thing up.

I disagree, but then that's just my opinion.

And as for her doctor saying that the death never happened, how do you explain that? and are you saying that any means justify the ends then?? because it sounds like it.

T runner wrote: »

So If I dont accept 100% your interpration that Pamela forging a document in Nigeria automatically means she made up the whole story then you interpretate this as blinkered? A little bit self righteous arent you?

No, not at all, but I interpret your opinion as blinkered. I never bought her story in the first place. You on the other hand, seem to be oblivious to the facts as they reveal themselves. You never seem to consider what has happened since her application and you have consistently avoided answering questions that have been put to you, all the while continuing with your condescending posts.

T runner wrote: »

Why would you grant asylum to all the women in Nigeria?

Well, if FGM is as prevalent as you maintain, then surely all the women in Nigeria are at risk of it, and not just this case, therefore my facetious suggestion

T runner wrote: »

If you believe that Ireland should stop granting asylum to foreign nationals then you must disagree with The UN handbook on asylum which is accepted around the world. In effect Ireland would have to leave the UN? Are you advocating this? If not then what are you talking about?

I must, must I?? Don't put words in my mouth. Oh, and where did I say that we should close our doors entirely?

T runner wrote: »

Showing the nasty streak again.

No, just a sarcastic suggestion. Would you care to proffer a reason more to your tastes as to why she was not present at the Supreme court hearing. Like I said, one would assume that she would have been in attendance at such a crucial decision

T runner wrote: »

I think he/she is making quite a valuable contribution but thats only my opinion. Youre opinion is different although you should be reminded your opinion is just that NOT a fact.

Why should I need to be reminded that my opinion isn't fact?

Also, I would appreciate it if you would answer the questions that I have put to you. Nearly every time that there has been a thread on this, you have consistently avoided questions that have been put to you, all the while to continue your point of the arguement

T runner

Fingers McGee wrote: »

If I said that I was on a secret mission to outer space, then yes, I would be full of shite. Does that make it clearer.

No, you could be talking ****e saying Ireland shouldnt have an asylum process (you seemed to imply this)

If not, let me clarify, Has it ever occurred to you that her reason for seeking asylum (fear of FGM) is not bona fide?

Yes it has, I have taken a balanced view.

(again, for absolute clarity, I am not talking about the prevalence of FGM, but the specific risk in her case)Would you not even consider the possibility that she was at the time of her application an economic migrant?

I have considered the possibility, hae you considered the possibility that she was bona fide?. You see the OP was not instigating a debate on whether she was bona fide or not, she was attacking anyone who supported someone they thought deserved asylum. Many people withdrew their support after the forgery was revealed. That doesnt mean that they shouldnt support someone they think needs support in the future.

The specific risk is dependent on whether you believe her daughter died from FGM or not. You believe the absence of a genuine death cert is evidence she didnt die. If that is true then you are also saying that many thousands in the that area of Lagos who clearly must have died also didnt because their families dont possess a genuine death certificate either.

Interesting how you are stating as fact that there were fifty something death certificates issued in the area but you are speculating as to the actual number.

If you want the specific number go to teh politics forum, i have linked to it there.

I disagree, but then that's just my opinion.

And youre entitled to it, as am I. But if I and others am insulted and called names by some unhinged O Post for our opinions then I have a problem with that.

And as for her doctor saying that the death never happened, how do you explain that?

Look, Nigeria is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. The police rape women and beat up and arrest journalists with impunity. Official Nigeria is involved and unhappy with pamela I.
Whether the doctor is telling the truth or not, Im sure the consequences of him giving an account favourable to Pamela would be quite severe.

and are you saying that any means justify the ends then?? because it sounds like it.

I am not saying that any means justify any ends. I am saying that forging a document justifies saving your daughters. That fits.

I would do as much. Wouldnt you? Or would you allow your children to die stating the means doesnt justify the ends?

No, not at all, but I interpret your opinion as blinkered. I never bought her story in the first place.

Well done! You told us so!

You on the other hand, seem to be oblivious to the facts as they reveal themselves.

Can you substantiate that?You could just as easy say that I was "on a secret mission to outer space". According to yourself that would make you full of sh--te.

You never seem to consider what has happened since her application and you have consistently avoided answering questions that have been put to you,

No I havent,

all the while continuing with your condescending posts.

How can you possibly call my posts condescending while defending the OP?

Well, if FGM is as prevalent as you maintain, then surely all the women in Nigeria are at risk of it, and not just this case, therefore my facetious suggestion

Nigeria is a country of many tribes. Some tribes have a huge proportion of women undergoing FGM, some have not. The Izenbekai girls are from a tribe with high prevalence. Technically any woman from such a tribe with the means to arrive in Ireland with an uncircumcised child would have a strong case in my opinion. Ofcourse they wouldnt get asylum: FGM is ILLEGAL in Nigeria (even though there has never been an arrest or prosection)

I must, must I?? Don't put words in my mouth. Oh, and where did I say that we should close our doors entirely?

So you are saying we should close our doors somewhat to the asylum process? If we do that we are not operating by the UN book on asylum and we would effectively be operating oiutside the UN. Is this what you are suggesting we do? Do you know what youre talking about?

No, just a sarcastic suggestion. Would you care to proffer a reason more to your tastes as to why she was not present at the Supreme court hearing. Like I said, one would assume that she would have been in attendance at such a crucial decision

I have no more idea than you have. Leave out the nastiness.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would answer the questions that I have put to you. Nearly every time that there has been a thread on this, you have consistently avoided questions that have been put to you, all the while to continue your point of the arguement

Absolute rubbish! I have always answered any questions put to me with references usually. Actually, I dont recall ever having debated anything with you.

Its your word again I guess. Fughesi!!

Buford T Justice

T runner wrote: »

The specific risk is dependent on whether you believe her daughter died from FGM or not. You believe the absence of a genuine death cert is evidence she didnt die. If that is true then you are also saying that many thousands in the that area of Lagos who clearly must have died also didnt because their families dont possess a genuine death certificate either.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm not talking about the other deaths in lagos, I'm talking about the alleged death of her first daughter. I get the impression from you that just because she said it's so, then it actually happened. Innocent until proven guilty yes, but she has been proven to be a liar. I don't believe her, and the discovery of her forgeries only furthers my belief.

T runner wrote: »

And youre entitled to it, as am I. But if I and others am insulted and called names by some unhinged O Post for our opinions then I have a problem with that.

Fair point.

T runner wrote: »

Look, Nigeria is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. The police rape women and beat up and arrest journalists with impunity. Official Nigeria is involved and unhappy with pamela I.
Whether the doctor is telling the truth or not, Im sure the consequences of him giving an account favourable to Pamela would be quite severe.

When someone starts a sentence with 'look' it sounds condescending, as if the other person is thick and you are trying to get through to them. I am not thick, I just happen to disagree with you on all counts.

T runner wrote: »

I am not saying that any means justify any ends.

So no.

T runner wrote: »

I would do as much.

Or is it yes.

T runner wrote: »

Can you substantiate that?

PI knowingly submitted forged documents regarding the alleged death of her firstborn. She firstly denied it, then admitted they were fake, and then tried to get more. This cast her whole story into doubt, and even the existence of her firstborn, which was the whole premise for her two other daughters to be at risk of FGM also.
Like you have said, a lot of people have withdrawn her support since this, but you seem to be oblivious to all of this evidence, simply saying 'oh well, she did it for the right reasons so tat makes it ok' - Just one example I can think of.

T runner wrote: »

How can you possibly call my posts condescending while defending the OP?

See above note regarding starting a sentence with 'look'. I'm not trying to defend the OP, I'm disagreeing with you. Is that ok?

T runner wrote: »

So you are saying we should close our doors somewhat to the asylum process? If we do that we are not operating by the UN book on asylum and we would effectively be operating oiutside the UN. Is this what you are suggesting we do? Do you know what youre talking about?

No. I'm saying that she is a fraud and does not deserve asylum. How are you not getting this? Stop making a mountain out of a molehill

T runner wrote: »

Absolute rubbish! I have always answered any questions put to me with references usually. Actually, I dont recall ever having debated anything with you.

Ah yes, I see where the confusion is. I reregged from Big_Mac some time ago. We have had many a discussion on this topic. A few times, questions have been put to you by me, and other posters and you didn't answer them. One of the common answers was that you were no longer going to continue a discussion on the subject. Not sure why, because you didn't keep the discussion going.

Therefore I call foul on your claim of absolute rubbish.

shellyriver

Whilst there has been much pseudo-high minded guff fused with so-called balanced interpretations of this once noble and worthy 'humanitarian refugee claim' --now the topic has rightly whimpered off into oblivion.

My original post was far from unhinged, as quoted from the High Priest of Obfuscation. I merely raised a cyber mirror to the willing delusionals who promoted this concocted bogus and ultimately expensive tale.

The last time this matter was at issue on this Board it was shut down when reality began to bite. Those who supported the claim have slinked off into their netherworld, what else could they do! Maybe put up their hands and apologise for their unending bottomless rambunctious sanctimonious nonsense. No that would require insight and courage -- based on the last number of posts, qualities they simply can bring themselves to muster.

If this child did exist, which I very much, doubt, then where is the Birth Cert? where is the Death Cert? Where is the graveyard plot arrangements? I'd don't know what religion this purported child is -- whatever it was where is our equivalent of a Baptismal Cert (ie initiation into the faith cert)? Where are the police records of this death? Where are the records from Hospitals? Doctors? Anybody? Funeral Undertakers? to support the claim.

To turn around and say Nigeria is very often a corrupt and dangerous place is not the point -- in this very high profile case the lady and supporters simply claimed and remonstrated that a child was born and brutally murdered.

It appears to any with common sense and sanity that this was not the case -- therefore the belief and good-will of luminaries like the well-intentioned such as Roddy Doyle, ex-President Robinson and Boucher-Hayes was abused all along.

All in all a very cynical undertaking which is now seen for what it most undoubtedly appears to be -- blatant and amoral opportunism.

section4

shellyriver wrote: »

Whilst there has been much pseudo-high minded guff fused with so-called balanced interpretations of this once noble and worthy 'humanitarian refugee claim' --now the topic has rightly whimpered off into oblivion.

My original post was far from unhinged, as quoted from the High Priest of Obfuscation. I merely raised a cyber mirror to the willing delusionals who promoted this concocted bogus and ultimately expensive tale.

The last time this matter was at issue on this Board it was shut down when reality began to bite. Those who supported the claim have slinked off into their netherworld, what else could they do! Maybe put up their hands and apologise for their unending bottomless rambunctious sanctimonious nonsense. No that would require insight and courage -- based on the last number of posts, qualities they simply can bring themselves to muster.

If this child did exist, which I very much, doubt, then where is the Birth Cert? where is the Death Cert? Where is the graveyard plot arrangements? I'd don't know what religion this purported child is -- whatever it was where is our equivalent of a Baptismal Cert (ie initiation into the faith cert)? Where are the police records of this death? Where are the records from Hospitals? Doctors? Anybody? Funeral Undertakers? to support the claim.

To turn around and say Nigeria is very often a corrupt and dangerous place is not the point -- in this very high profile case the lady and supporters simply claimed and remonstrated that a child was born and brutally murdered.

It appears to any with common sense and sanity that this was not the case -- therefore the belief and good-will of luminaries like the well-intentioned such as Roddy Doyle, ex-President Robinson and Boucher-Hayes was abused all along.

All in all a very cynical undertaking which is now seen for what it most undoubtedly appears to be -- blatant and amoral opportunism.

i agree, but your wasting your time taking to these people, there are not called the loonyleft for nothing you know.

Essexboy

have slinked

You mean have SLUNK. Long and thorough explanation at http://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-english-verb-slink.html

shellyriver

Stunk off I would say

Vintagekits

section4 wrote: »

i agree, but your wasting your time taking to these people, there are not called the loonyleft for nothing you know.

I prefer to call them zealots. Totally unbending in there desire and crusade to interfere and "do-good" but would turn their collective noses up at someone from Sligo that was in need.

They have heaped embarrassment on themselves and "their cause" and have the gall to turn it back on other people now.

Pamela really has done a number on these guys and shown them up for the idiots that they are. They are the laughing stock of Sligo.

sligopark

Vintagekits wrote: »

Pamela really has done a number on these guys and shown them up for the idiots that they are.

probably better described as 'used' them

T runner

shellyriver wrote: »

Whilst there has been much pseudo-high minded guff fused with so-called balanced interpretations of this once noble and worthy 'humanitarian refugee claim' --now the topic has rightly whimpered off into oblivion.

Supporting a woman who claimed that her daughters were in danger of mutilationby FGM is hardly high minded guff.

My original post was far from unhinged, as quoted from the High Priest of Obfuscation

More Ad Hominen personal attack nastiness. You are clearly incapable of attacking the content of the post and persist in your unhinged attacks on the people making them.

Hers a few snippets from your OP. Unhinged is accurate I think.

"All those boring, misinformed, deluded, wanna-be ....., demented arty libertarians and idiot lefties, .......fools .....hideous propaganda about child mutilation......Back to scrounging out a new cause to sustain their ridiculous meaningless existences to generate some vitality and meaning"

I merely raised a cyber mirror to the willing delusionals who promoted this concocted bogus and ultimately expensive tale.

No you didnt you attacked the "majority of boardsies" posting in a self righteous manner bordering on delusional:


"As for the majority of Boardies, based on the content of debate to date, its back to whining about stores closing down and a lack of bunting on MacSharry Road. Tragic feeble mentalities."

Maybe put up their hands and apologise for their unending bottomless rambunctious sanctimonious nonsense.

Oh quit your self-righteous loony posts!

People should not have to apologise to you for doing what they believe is the right thing. Who do you think you are?

In this case there will be no asylum due to the forgery. If I believe giving a woman asylum in the future will protect the lives of her daughters then I will support that.

No that would require insight and courage -- based on the last number of posts, qualities they simply can bring themselves to muster.

Ofcourse you are incapable of substantiating any of your claims. Yet again you resort to personal attack to try and back up these delusional posts.

If this child did exist, which I very much, doubt, then where is the Birth Cert? where is the Death Cert?

If you'd bothered to actually read preceding posts you would realise that only about 50 death certs were issued in the area Elizabeth died and in the year Elizabeth died. That area has a population similar to Liverpool (600,000).
Nigeria is a dysfunctional state. They dont do certs (except for the 50ish most privaleged or for those willing to pay big).

I'd don't know what religion this purported child is -- whatever it was where is our equivalent of a Baptismal Cert (ie initiation into the faith cert)?

Why dont you go and ask the local tribal chief of the tribe that the children belongs to (their fathers tribe) for the cert?

Where are the police records of this death?

The Nigerian Police are one of the most corrupt forces in the world.
Obly a tiny percentage of deaths are recorded. Only a tiny percentage of murders are recorded. On the Global Index for corruption Nigeria is in the lowest 10 countries.

If you want any official Certification in that country you must be one of the very Elite or pay to have it forged: end of story.

To turn around and say Nigeria is very often a corrupt and dangerous place is not the point -- in this very high profile case the lady and supporters simply claimed and remonstrated that a child was born and brutally murdered.

The child died from bleeding due to FGM. In Nigeria in the 12 or so years since FGM has been illegal there has been exactly "0" prosecutions.

It appears to any with common sense and sanity that this was not the case --

Again nothing to substantiate your argument bar the personal implication that people who disagree with you have not "sanity".

T runner

Fingers McGee wrote: »

I'm not saying that at all. I'm not talking about the other deaths in lagos, I'm talking about the alleged death of her first daughter. I get the impression from you that just because she said it's so, then it actually happened. Innocent until proven guilty yes, but she has been proven to be a liar. I don't believe her, and the discovery of her forgeries only furthers my belief.

As Ive consistantly pointed out (and you have deliberately ignored) the fact is that the only way you can get a death cert and therefore proof of the death of a person is by forgery. Therefore if you want to save your children from FGM you can either forge your dead daughters death cert or else let your living daughters risk FGM and explain to them that your honour didnt allow you to forge it.

Ive asked you already and youve ignored so Ill ask you again:

Would you forge a document if it meant that doing so may save the lives of your daughters yes or no? If the answer is yes then lose the self righteous name calling attitude. And stop ignoring difficult questions.

Fair point.

You agree with my point.

When someone starts a sentence with 'look' it sounds condescending, as if the other person is thick and you are trying to get through to them. I am not thick, I just happen to disagree with you on all counts.

Not at all. If any of my posts make you feel thick you wont find the answer over here. By the way youve just agreed to my previous point so how can you "disagre" with me on "all counts". Im not calling you thick now.

So no.....

Or is it yes.

Please dont try a feeble strawman argument! I said the ends dont always justify all means. Making a forgery as a means to saving your daughters life as an end is something that is justified 100%. You would do the same wouldnt you? Or would you let them die?

PI knowingly submitted forged documents regarding the alleged death of her firstborn. She firstly denied it, then admitted they were fake, and then tried to get more. This cast her whole story into doubt, and even the existence of her firstborn, which was the whole premise for her two other daughters to be at risk of FGM also.

And if her firstborn did exist and she needed her death cert this is also consitent behaviour in a country where the only way to get a death cert is by forgery, is it not? If she wants asylum she must go with the forged death cert and when its found out she has to admit it.

Like you have said, a lot of people have withdrawn her support since this, but you seem to be oblivious to all of this evidence, simply saying 'oh well, she did it for the right reasons so tat makes it ok' - Just one example I can think of.

But you havent answered the conundrum:

If your daughter had died from FGM, and you wanted asylum for your other children but needed the death cert that the Nigerian authorities dont issue.
Would you forge it or would you allow your children undergo FGM?

If you would forge it (I would consider that the right thing to do BTW) then your actions on applying for asylum here would be exactky the same as hers.

See above note regarding starting a sentence with 'look'. I'm not trying to defend the OP, I'm disagreeing with you. Is that ok?

Ive already stated that youre entitled to your opinion.

No. I'm saying that she is a fraud and does not deserve asylum. How are you not getting this? Stop making a mountain out of a molehill

No stop squirming, you said that Ireland should concentrate on its own people and asylum claims of people from other countries.
This is not possible and is contradictory to the UN handbook on Asylum. If Ireland were to do this we would effectively be removing outselves from the UN. Are you suggesting we do?

Ah yes, I see where the confusion is. I reregged from Big_Mac some time ago.

Not surprised you re-regged from that one. I remember at least one poster commenting on your whoppers!

We have had many a discussion on this topic. A few times, questions have been put to you by me, and other posters and you didn't answer them. One of the common answers was that you were no longer going to continue a discussion on the subject. Not sure why, because you didn't keep the discussion going.

Sure why dont you make up any old bull and write it down! Absolute nonsense. If you cant win an argument sure try and claim you won it in the past! Another Whopper from Big Mac!

Ive just had to repeat questions to you which you have deliberately ignored. Lets see if you answer the direct questions directly.

Therefore I call foul on your claim of absolute rubbish

Im not trying to be funny but you sound like something youd say before you slap me on the face with a leather glove and challenge me to a pistol duel!

sligopark

T runner wrote: »

Supporting a woman who claimed that her daughters were in danger of mutilationby FGM is hardly high minded guff.

it is when it turns out she calculatingly used this bluff to engender your 'do gooderness' and uses it to play both you and the system- good job she hadn't sons since male circumcision doesn't bring on the multitude of idiot do gooders needed to initiate refugee status since it means anti semitism

pity she is smarter than you do gooders and consistently plays you out and the Irish do gooder system

didn't read the rest I encountered 'do gooder bullsh1tter fatigue syndrome' - can you set me up a charity please?

please?

too many as$holes in the mix that failing any sort of job fulfillment or ability that go on to be politicians

shellyriver

Haven't time or interest to response to the endless tripe that certain delusionals cling to. The tone of their denial is bordering on insane being still myopic enough, in the absence of anything, bar one person's concocted story, that there is some merit to this utterly bogus claim.

But what would tend to substantiate her claim -- would be gaining Refugee Status. Would would tend to substantiate my claim that she is an amoral liar and her acolytes are but the deluded, of the deluded -- is she is refused Refugee status, and admits she forged a birth cert regarded a murdered child.

I wonder if you can get forged 'Certificates of Sanity' in Ireland? -- maybe a Nigerian one would suffice, for all purposes, for the Let Them Stay campaigners.

bonzos

Vintagekits wrote: »

I would just like to personally thank Councillor Veronica Cawley for honouring Pamela with a civic reception on all of our behalf!

Nice one Ronnie, keep the good work up.

I think that serial junketeer Cawley should be sent home on the same plane as her mate Pam.....it a total joke that these two clowns have wasted so much of the Irish peoples money at a time when the country is in such a bad state!