Father has never had a full licence!

lonelyguy

Hi! I am posting here just to get some adviceabout my father and his driving!
Well he is a 62 year old farmer! He believes that the who licenceing system is wrong. He says he has being driving with over 45years and never has had an accdient. He did get a provisional a few years ago and he attempted a driving test nd he got 25 grade 2 fults and 7 grade 3 faults. Now he says that they did him in the test. Both my brother and sisyer passed there driving test with hardly any faults and he says it's because the both went to collage! I know that is really funny.
I rarely go any where with him. Just to our local town if I really need to go with gim for example school. Now I am no expert driver but the amount of things he does wrong is scary. He drives really slow by the way.
He often goes on the motorway and seenothing wrong with it. He says he is fully legal and if any garda said anything to him he would bate the ****e out of him. Once he missed his exit on the M7 I think it was near portlaoise and my aunt was in the car and she said he pulled into the hard sholederand did U turn against on-coming traffic.
Now I have plenty of more bad driving experience with him!
So anywy he won't do another driving test he says it's a waste of his money my the way he's on social welfare so it's not relly his to begin with.
Or do driving lessons because he is so good.
My mam only did her driving test in 02 because he wouldn't let her do it. When my brother finshed collage he gave her money for lessons and she passed the 1st time. He ws raging when she did it.
These are my questions anyway?
If he ever gets cought.
What summons will he face?
Is there anyway I could comvience him to do a test?
Should I just report him? Part of me wants to simple becuse I see him a very dangerous driver!
Sorry for the long post!

Eric Cartman

this is sounding troll like, all ill say is your father sounds like a crazy man , you need a licence to drive on Irish roads. If he does not have a licence I could only assume he doesnt believe in tax or insurance either .

IBTL

lonelyguy

He is on this type of social welfare called farm assist.
Now back to the driving. No he see no problem drivng tractors around etc.
He thinks that he is a skilled driver. He would bascially force my mam to do it for him. He says if he ever does the driving test again and fails he would beat the s**te out of the tester.
He thinks he is the king of road saftey he's go on liveline about it and all. Don't even ask about that!

corktina

nice man.....:rolleyes: him we could do without....

L1011

What will happen to him if he gets caught depends on what he gets caught doing and if he actually has a valid learner permit at the moment (which I suspect he doesn't?). And if he has a permit, whether your mam or other family member (or anyone else) with a full licence is in the car.

Does he have insurance or is he as cavalier about that too?

To be honest, I'd let him try and "beat the ****e" out of a Guard that stops him, as he'd likely end up doing some time... except knowing that kind of mouthy old codger, there's not a chance he'd actually do it!

Atlantic Dawn

I take it he is driving uninsured also?

bladebrew

this reinds me of one of those american cop shows,

the cop pulled over a guy and did the usual checks, he went back up to the car and says to him the computer is saying he did have a driving licence but it expired in 1969:eek:

the guy had been driving around for over 30 years without getting stopped:D

a touch of troll about this post?
doing a u turn on the m7 is suicide!

EPM

KamiKazi

Your father is an absolute fvcking idiot.

mikemac

lonelyguy wrote: »

He says he is fully legal and if any garda said anything to him he would bate the ****e out of him.

Even if he is 62, you'll do jail time for that

galwaytt

feelingstressed wrote: »

Even if he is 62, you'll do jail time for that

...but the roads would be safer........?


Fwiw, I believe the OP about the lack of licence. Some years ago I was involved in a nationwide survey on the subject, and I came across loads of people who had, say, provisional's for 20+ yrs............

Chiorino

I used to notice a lot of this in rural towns up until a couple of years ago, especially on pension day. The ould boys would venture down from the hills in the clapped out datsun to collect their few bob and you knew by the way that they were driving that they'd never done a lesson let alone any test. Like the OPs father, they would often get very agressive if you attempted to point out their, ahem, lack of skill behind the wheel. Clowns of the highest order. OP, I suggest your father cops himself on.

biko

Pull a few cables out of the car to immobilise it, then someone else can drive him wherever he needs to go.

Pyridine

This isn't him by any chance?? One of those know it all arseholes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VICJJiApkmg

thenightrider

how code a garda put up with the fella in the video

Hotwheels

Hmmm

Pyridine

thenightrider: how code a garda put up with the fella in the video

I don't know but I would have pulled him out through the small gap in the window after about a minute of his bull!

I think he was looking for a confrontation so he could sue the gards or something, having all the evidence on video! In the end he made them look like the most professional police force in the world...not an easy feat!

GavRedKing

lonelyguy wrote: »

Hi! I am posting here just to get some adviceabout my father and his driving!
Well he is a 62 year old farmer! He believes that the who licenceing system is wrong. He says he has being driving with over 45years and never has had an accdient. He did get a provisional a few years ago and he attempted a driving test nd he got 25 grade 2 fults and 7 grade 3 faults. Now he says that they did him in the test. Both my brother and sisyer passed there driving test with hardly any faults and he says it's because the both went to collage! I know that is really funny.
I rarely go any where with him. Just to our local town if I really need to go with gim for example school. Now I am no expert driver but the amount of things he does wrong is scary. He drives really slow by the way.
He often goes on the motorway and seenothing wrong with it. He says he is fully legal and if any garda said anything to him he would bate the ****e out of him. Once he missed his exit on the M7 I think it was near portlaoise and my aunt was in the car and she said he pulled into the hard sholederand did U turn against on-coming traffic.
Now I have plenty of more bad driving experience with him!
So anywy he won't do another driving test he says it's a waste of his money my the way he's on social welfare so it's not relly his to begin with.
Or do driving lessons because he is so good.
My mam only did her driving test in 02 because he wouldn't let her do it. When my brother finshed collage he gave her money for lessons and she passed the 1st time. He ws raging when she did it.
These are my questions anyway?
If he ever gets cought.
What summons will he face?
Is there anyway I could comvience him to do a test?
Should I just report him? Part of me wants to simple becuse I see him a very dangerous driver!
Sorry for the long post!

Ehhhhh :eek:

Run_to_da_hills

There are heaps of fathers that technically should not have a full license and are still driving on cowboy "full" licenses.

For those that heard of the license amnesty in the late 70's to clear the backlog of test applications.

Pyridine

gavredking Ehhhhh

You mean your father didn't pay for your driving lessons AND sex change when you finished college?? What a stingy bastard he must be!!!

eden_my_ass

gavredking wrote: »

Ehhhhh :eek:

I don't see the difficulty following that, his brother after finishing college paid for his mother to learn to drive and she passed the test first time. His father was not impressed....complicated thing a language is!

kildare.17hmr

Pyridine wrote: »

This isn't him by any chance?? One of those know it all arseholes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VICJJiApkmg

Fair play to that garda, i would of pulled the cnut out of the car and taken him to the station for bein a pr!ck!!

thebull09

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Fair play to that garda, i would of pulled the cnut out of the car and taken him to the station for bein a pr!ck!!

It sounded like roy keane lol

Anthony Walsh

eden_my_ass wrote: »

I don't see the difficulty following that, his brother after finishing college paid for his mother to learn to drive and she passed the test first time. His father was not impressed....complicated thing a language is!

To be fair to the guy I had to read it a few times to get the jist of it, considerinh the previous sentence. The OP doesn't have great english at all so i'm guess he is really young(doubtful considering the age of his father) or he is a troll(Get Him!!)

dudara

Would you consider calling down to the station and reporting your father? maybe arrange for them to catch him driving?

It's harsh I know, but if he isn't paying any attention to family, then maybe stronger medicine is needed. He is an almighty danger to himself, his family and others.

Del2005

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are heaps of fathers that technically should not have a full license and are still driving on cowboy "full" licenses.

For those that heard of the license amnesty in the late 70's to clear the backlog of test applications.

From the OP's fathers age he wouldn't have had to do a test. Not too sure when they started doing tests. My father is 65 and has everything on his licence, all he did was drop down to the barracks and tick a few boxes and hand over a few Shillings.

The 70's amnesty only gave B, EB and maybe (E)C1 I think.

GavRedKing

eden_my_ass wrote: »

I don't see the difficulty following that, his brother after finishing college paid for his mother to learn to drive and she passed the test first time. His father was not impressed....complicated thing a language is!

I had mis-eard it, i thought the brother had came out of college and had suddenly changed genders, my mistake,carry on :rolleyes:

Henry Ford III

Incredible patience shown by those Cops. Fair play.

The driver set it up though - what an ignoramus.

syklops

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Fair play to that garda, i would of pulled the cnut out of the car and taken him to the station for bein a pr!ck!!

I wonder what happened to him in the end. 8 minutes to get his name? He should be done for wasting police time as well.

When he kept saying "what do you need my name for", it reminded me of the old D'unbelievables sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEwVpWFyy3M

Muckie

Gardai should have pepper srayed or tazered him!!

US style policing :pac:

gingerGiant

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Incredible patience shown by those Cops. Fair play.

The driver set it up though - what an ignoramus.

He should have been arrested an done for wasting the time of a garda as well as speeding. I think if the cop had not seen he was been recorded he probably would have put a stop to yer mans shite sooner, and rightly so he was a total knob.

syklops

What does the guard say at the end of the video? Something about a computer?

Found the second part of it.

What a grade A plonker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dLJ_ARaRKg

lonelyguy

Thanks for the advice!
Sorry about the poor english but I was half asleep when I was wrighting it at about 4 in the morning.
From what I know he does have tax and insurance and an NCT.
I'll answer any other questions ye want!

Chiorino

He might have tax and an NCT but if he has no licence then the insurance is null and void.

Alun

The guy in that video would appear to be one of these "Soveregn Free Men" type plonkers who seem to think that the law doesn't apply to them.

http://freemanireland.ning.com/

djimi

Theres no way those videos are genuine, are they? No guard would entertain someone like that for that long without arresting them. If I was a guard after about 3 or 4 minutes Id be starting to get seriously worried that he was going to pull a gun or something.

Alun

djimi wrote: »

Theres no way those videos are genuine, are they? No guard would entertain someone like that for that long without arresting them. If I was a guard after about 3 or 4 minutes Id be starting to get seriously worried that he was going to pull a gun or something.

Go to that website I gave the link to, download their "Freeman Guide" and look at the part on how to deal with the Gardai. Exactly the same phrases as turn up in that video are quoted. There's plenty of them lurking over in the Conspiracy Theories forum as well if you fancy a laugh.

EDIT: Such as this one ...http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957447

djimi

If that is legit then he was a very very lucky boy not to be leaving in the back of a squad car. I cant imagine too many guards showing that much patience with a fool like that. Fair play to them for conducting themselves the way they did and keeping their temper.

unkel

dudara wrote: »

Would you consider calling down to the station and reporting your father? maybe arrange for them to catch him driving?

It's harsh I know, but if he isn't paying any attention to family, then maybe stronger medicine is needed. He is an almighty danger to himself, his family and others.

Was gonna post something very similar. If you can't convince your dad to stop driving, you have got to report him. If you don't and he causes a serious accident, you have blood on your hands, lonelyguy.

Voodoomelon

Both the original post and that video of that gobshíte in the car infuriate me.

n0brain3r

Having grown up in rural Ireland and I still have family in the sticks! In my experience there is still a sizable part of a generation who regard the state and its laws as an inconvieneince esp when it comes to road traffic law. The OPs dad is a member of this generation and I don't think you can do much to change him it's been a way of life for half a century. I'd had to agree that the only thing you can do is report him whatever happens it's better than someone ending up hurt or worse.

Alun wrote: »

The guy in that video would appear to be one of these "Soveregn Free Men" type plonkers who seem to think that the law doesn't apply to them.

http://freemanireland.ning.com/

I had a look and the videos are linked on the site

http://freemanireland.ning.com/group/sovereigncarownersinitiative

mikemac

That video is legit.

And if that I was that garda, he'd be dragged out of the car and straight down the station. :mad:
Car should have been searched too

Well done to the garda and his sergeant, showed remarkable restraint and were extremely professional.


That website linked above is some joke, it was probably some poster from boards conspiracy theories forum

mikemac

galwaytt wrote: »

...but the roads would be safer........?

I wasn't mentioning jail time for driving with no licence

You'll do jail time for:

lonelyguy wrote: »

He says he is fully legal and if any garda said anything to him he would bate the ****e out of him.

Mc Love

Is there anything going to be done with the people that have the so called amnesty licences?! They shouldnt even be on the road and made do the test, if my mom did it, there isnt a hope she would pass without doing a good few lessons first

mikemac

No, nothing will be done with amnesty licenses.
They were obtained fairly and your mother did nothing wrong so once she doesn't lose it in court, then it's hers

Remember, there was a time when you just went into the Post office and bought a driving license.
And there is probably someone local to you who doesn't drive anymore due to age who did buy their license.

djimi

feelingstressed wrote: »

Well done to the garda and his sergeant, showed remarkable restraint and were extremely professional.

That was my first reaction as well, but in reality there is no way they should have allowed that idiot to drive away from that. After 2-3 minutes of refusing to give his name and generally sounding like he doenst have the mental capacity to be behind the wheel of a car he should have been arrested.

useless

I had a look at the 2 videos and I have to say I'm impressed with the 2 Gardai not losing their temper with your man.
Having said that, I wonder why they didn't follow through and arrest him? Surely they were within their rights to do so?

EPM

djimi wrote: »

That was my first reaction as well, but in reality there is no way they should have allowed that idiot to drive away from that. After 2-3 minutes of refusing to give his name and generally sounding like he doenst have the mental capacity to be behind the wheel of a car he should have been arrested.

useless wrote: »

I had a look at the 2 videos and I have to say I'm impressed with the 2 Gardai not losing their temper with your man.
Having said that, I wonder why they didn't follow through and arrest him? Surely they were within their rights to do so?

What was the point? He'd only have gone on with the same sh1te down at the station.

djimi

EPM wrote: »

What was the point? He'd only have gone on with the same sh1te down at the station.

The way he was carrying on, in the first video especially, he looked like he has mental problems. If I were a guard I would have been asking myself if he was fit to be behind the wheel of a car. The chap came across as being unstable.

johndaman66

Chiorino wrote: »

He might have tax and an NCT but if he has no licence then the insurance is null and void.

My understanding is that the OP's father doesn't have a full license but a provisional one but perhaps I could be wrong in making this assumption. Perhaps the OP might clarify this? I can actually identify with the OP. My own father has being driving around for donkey years on a provisional license and seems to be getting away with it. Would often have heard my mother giving out to him in the past for not going and getting a "cowboy" license in the 70's. Unlike my old man OP's father seems to have serious anger management issues, treatening to beat the sh!te out of every second person that gives him any sort of grief. This may well end up getting him in hot water if he doesn't change his attitude, despite his age.

Its bonkers too though. Despite only having a provisional and having a string of fault accidents, allbeit nothing serious but still sizeable payments were made he renews every year for a few hundred with the FBD. He doesn't or never had a house or farm insured with them for that matter. On the other hand I've being driving for 9 years with a full license and no accidents. I try the FBD for a quote every year and don't think I ever got a quote of them for less than a grand and got cover elsewhere for well under 500. What the f*ck is that all about? Doesn't seem like a very good way of running a business to me.

Sorry for the rant and sort of going half off topic:rolleyes:

VinnyTGM

OP your dad is one of those people that p1ss other road users off.