515 are looking for DJs

515 tripod

515 are looking for the new breed of up and coming DJs to play at 515 over the next few months. We are looking for house/tech-house/techno DJs. If you would be interested in playing with us all you need to do is the following:

Upload a recent mix to Soundcloud and mail us the link. Please include your name, working e-mail address, the style of the mix, what equipment you use and a tracklisting.

You can send the mix to us through Facebook mail on the Tripod Fridays pages. (Our general page can't except anymore friends however you can keep up to date by clicking "Like" on out fan page which you can get to through this link... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dublin/Tripod-Friday/395981156288?ref=ts&__a=13 )

Thanks,

515

copeyhagen

whats the email?

Chloroplast

Is this ad aimed a dublin djs only or is it for anyone ?

jimi_t2

How can you send someone a facebook mail when you're not friends with them?

515 tripod

Its aimed at anyone.

If your having problems getting the mix to us....drop me a PM and I will send you the e-mail to send your details to.

Chloroplast

so its been about a month now, how are the demo entry's going ? replied to anyone yet ?

eeloe

I've got a reply, about 2 weeks ago, asking for another mix!

sent in another one, just waiting to hear back from that now.

Hopefully....fingers crossed!

copeyhagen

still havent got my xone 3d setup so havent sent a mix in yet :mad:

sweeno69

eeloe wrote: »

I've got a reply, about 2 weeks ago, asking for another mix!

sent in another one, just waiting to hear back from that now.

Hopefully....fingers crossed!

Same here... Havent had a chance to do another mix yet tho

empirix

how much they paying?

brianc27

they dont pay their djs, thats why they are looking for new ones, ones that will play for free.

thats what people around the place are saying anyway

Elevator

empirix wrote: »

how much they paying?

*cough cough

empirix

brianc27 wrote: »

they dont pay their djs, thats why they are looking for new ones, ones that will play for free.

thats what people around the place are saying anyway

wtf unbelievable!

jordan..

elevator clearly holds a grudge! Be good experience to play there!

copeyhagen

id fookin play there for free no bother if i got a slot!!

only got the 3d workin eysterday so should have a mix done asap

Elevator

what's the ****ing point!!

yes tripod will put you all on the best lineups and b4 long you will be headlining their biggest gigs

they got your back, won't let you down and will always remember how you looked after them single handedly on more than one occasion.

buckle in cos you're going to the top with this craic

watch out deadmau5 cos we got new kids with a 3d on the block

meanwhile the mixes flow in slowly but surely
from those who are full of dreams/romantic notions

facepalm

seannash

i dont see what the problem is really.
ive played plenty of gigs for free.

if your a new dj/not known dj,playing for free shouldnt be a big deal.

its a night out,you might get free booze and the chance to play some tracks.

nobody is promising you your going to be a superstar dj

Elevator

anybody that ever plays for me gets paid, might only be €50 but it's something

the principle of the matter here is some people use and abuse others plain and simple.

they pay their cleaners!! or do the cleaners dream of cleaning clubs across the country and around the world someday on the back of cleaning the toilets at tripod??

bottom line is I would be ashamed to not pay a dj in such a club, even if I was the head of 515 and had an order from the top that the warmups were not to be paid I would put my hand in my pocket and sort them out myself.

then again there will always be a long line of those who have spent small fortunes on dj gear, gathered the tunes and took the time to prepare mixes and get to Dublin, sort accomadation and see their mates pay in to see them but still be happy to do it for free cos they be told that's the way it is.

jordan..

for some people its just fun. If it became a regular thing im sure Tripod would start paying you.
What happened man, did Tripod bring you on a date and never call?

seannash

Elevator wrote: »

anybody that ever plays for me gets paid, might only be €50 but it's something

the principle of the matter here is some people use and abuse others plain and simple.

they pay their cleaners!! or do the cleaners dream of cleaning clubs across the country and around the world someday on the back of cleaning the toilets at tripod??

bottom line is I would be ashamed to not pay a dj in such a club, even if I was the head of 515 and had an order from the top that the warmups were not to be paid I would put my hand in my pocket and sort them out myself.

then again there will always be a long line of those who have spent small fortunes on dj gear, gathered the tunes and took the time to prepare mixes and get to Dublin, sort accomadation and see their mates pay in to see them but still be happy to do it for free cos they be told that's the way it is.

thats cool man.likewise anyone that ive had play for me got paid even at my expense but dont run other people down just because they are willing to play for free.

if a festival approached a bedroom banger to play at it he wouldnt be asking how much hes getting paid.

if its a once ff chalk it up as an experience but if it becomes regular then talk figures.
personally djing for me has alway been an enjoyable experience and ive never been doing it for any cash benefit.if i was id be a mobile jockey.

the exerience of playing in a decnet club with all your mates there might be the pinnacle of someones djing career and will be a great memory for them so i wouldnt let a few quid stand in the way of that

Elevator

I totally agree with you on all your points above but in hindsight and having lived the experiences you just discribed but have come out the other end having been ****ed around myself then I would urge anyone putting in the effort to consider their time they envisage putting into the whole equation. your time and effort has to be worth something right, when ya consider that even the cleaners get laid it makes it hard to argue that any dj should be expected to entertain any club/venues clubbers and not be paid.

for the record show that I have myself rarely got paid for performing but I did however get well looked after for promoting the event on behalf of the organisers and would get a warmup for the name on the poster thrown in. a budget of up to 2k for a months work for most of the gigs I did is ample compensation for an hours set when the gig came around as far as I was concerned. I have played more events i organised myself so always made something out of that.

that above declaration would probably go a long way to showing the guys the deals they were cut for an excellent job done for all your related club events/collaberations, a certain festival 3 years in a row, once off indoor/outdoor/festive events,

the guys do put on a good show and have things locked down real nice
concerning the business moves ( credit where credit's due) but as far as nurturing new homegrown talent is concerned then all djs deserve to be paid
something. it's a small country and costs are costs but com

Elevator

jordan.. wrote: »

for some people its just fun. If it became a regular thing im sure Tripod would start paying you.
What happened man, did Tripod bring you on a date and never call?

that's it in a nutshell ya, I wish it was that simple baby, ah look we got on and did some work but eventually the relationship wore a bit thin

I wish them all the best and every success for the future and have always enjoyed the conversations with them all and JR, respected them for their position in the industry, and even though things might have got a little excited there are no hard feelings on my part. here's lookin to a new project and leaving the past where it is

copeyhagen

Elevator wrote: »

what's the ****ing point!!

yes tripod will put you all on the best lineups and b4 long you will be headlining their biggest gigs

they got your back, won't let you down and will always remember how you looked after them single handedly on more than one occasion.

buckle in cos you're going to the top with this craic

watch out deadmau5 cos we got new kids with a 3d on the block

meanwhile the mixes flow in slowly but surely
from those who are full of dreams/romantic notions

facepalm

new kids? not quite.

some of us would actually play for free cuz its doing something we love. given a chance to play in my favourite club in the capital i would play no bother.

were not all money hungry

run_Forrest_run

copeyhagen wrote: »

new kids? not quite.

some of us would actually play for free cuz its doing something we love. given a chance to play in my favourite club in the capital i would play no bother.

were not all money hungry

hmm, I agree with elevator on this issue. while I fully understand your point it's important to understand that an up and coming DJ may play for free but that should not excuse the big fish (a well established club who are well able to charge their paying public) from paying people for their time and effort. It's a matter of business and capitalism to remunerate for services rendered, anything else is just exploitation.

seannash

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

anything else is just exploitation.

its only exloitation if one of the parties isnt hapy with the arrangement.

if a person is happy to play for free its a personal choice for them to make.

copeyhagen

i didnt start djing with the intent to do it as a job, its a hobby, if someone is happy to play for free whats the problem?

is it that other up and coming djs fear they might loose their slot to someone willing to play for free? then so be it, do it for the passion, not the dollar.

thats how i feel abut it anyways

brianc27

djs should get paid were possible (and its deffo possible in somewere like tripod/pod), djs are the ones that make the night, its only right they get a cut of what ever there is, its a complete cop out if any dj doesnt get paid for playing somewere like the pod/tripod, especially if other djs on the same night are being paid. i've played gigs for very very small nights that i know didnt make any money or made very little, i expected not to get paid for these and was fine with that but quess what, i got paid, thats coz the promoters knew djs should be the first people to get paid on a night, no questions asked, i doubt anyones looking for hundred's of euro but a couple of quid thats reflects the time the dj was playing is only fair.

i've heard of nights that have been very successful and promoters havent bothered to pay some of the local djs they've had down, thats complete bollox, people might say that they are giving them exposure etc and thats great but everyone involved in the night should get some of the rewards (were possible), from promoters to the local lad they got down for his first gig to do a warm up.

Android 666

copeyhagen wrote: »

i didnt start djing with the intent to do it as a job, its a hobby, if someone is happy to play for free whats the problem?

is it that other up and coming djs fear they might loose their slot to someone willing to play for free? then so be it, do it for the passion, not the dollar.

thats how i feel abut it anyways

I don't dj so for me its not a problem but its the same argument that is being bandied about in all the creative sectors from photography to songwriting to advertising to graphic design and the problem is is that you can't eat passion. If you want to be exploited that's fair enough but you shouldn't expect everyone else to feel the same way and to encourage the exploitation of people is a bit of a no no in my books. I think brian has summed it up pretty succinctly in his post there.

copeyhagen

i kinda see where your coming from, like, i would play almost anywhere for free, just for the craic.

but i see what your saying about the likes of tripod being able to afford to pay, even a minimal amount.

for me personally, i would still do it for free. sucker, i know

Elevator

copeyhagen wrote: »

i didnt start djing with the intent to do it as a job, its a hobby, if someone is happy to play for free whats the problem?

is it that other up and coming djs fear they might loose their slot to someone willing to play for free? then so be it, do it for the passion, not the dollar.


club!!

every single person having anything to do with the smooth running of any night up in tripod gets paid but the warmup dj hahaha

copeyhagen

this is where the work v hobby comes into debate though, liek the barman isnt there as a hobby

seannash

Android 666 wrote: »

I don't dj so for me its not a problem but its the same argument that is being bandied about in all the creative sectors from photography to songwriting to advertising to graphic design and the problem is is that you can't eat passion. If you want to be exploited that's fair enough but you shouldn't expect everyone else to feel the same way and to encourage the exploitation of people is a bit of a no no in my books. I think brian has summed it up pretty succinctly in his post there.

its not the same as photography,graphic design etc

djing is fun and alot less work than any of the jobs listed above.
were not encouraging people to shortchange themselves but this is there choice.dont make them feel foolish for wanting to do it.
how about all those people in recording studios doing work exerience for no money are they being shafted?

seriously if fabric asked me to come and play i wouldnt be quizzing them on how much ill be getting.

how do you get to carnegie hall?
practice practice practice(and then ask how much youll be getting paid for the gig)

this will be some peoples carnegie hall and money shouldnt be a deciding factor in experiencing something they might remember for the rest of there lives

if it leads to further gigs talk figures and if you get paid on the night, bonus.

ianuss

My 2 cents on the issue;

I dj for my own pleasure, I mean, I'm not looking to make a career, I'm not even trying to obtain small paid gigs or anything like that. And while I, like others, would probably be quite happy to play a one-off warm-up slot in somewhere like Tripod for nothing. IMO It becomes a problem when the slot is not a one-off.

If it's a one-off opportunity being afforded to local talent, then I think it's ok to not pay them. Cos you're giving them experience and a bit of exposure. The difficulty arises when you have the same dj's playing regularly, contributing to the success of a night, offering their services for nothing. By accepting this, these dj's are screwing themselves, and their colleagues out of income (which doesn't even have to be much, just give them some fookin $$'s). Gear is expensive, buying music is expensive, transport costs, lugging equipment around is a pain in the arse etc.......just offer the dj some compensation for their time and effort.

Elevator

the one thing everyone has to remember is the djs will be putting together their sweet mixes and sending them off,

tripod will pick the ones they like above the others and possibly try to find out have you much of a network around you thru fb, myspace etc and offer people a slot on the basis that they are good and will probably bring lots of your mates

if you don't look for even €50 or a nice even €100 for that then it's consentual exploitation

seannash

Elevator wrote: »

the one thing everyone has to remember is the djs will be putting together their sweet mixes and sending them off,

tripod will pick the ones they like above the others and possibly try to find out have you much of a network around you thru fb, myspace etc and offer people a slot on the basis that they are good and will probably bring lots of your mates

if you don't look for even €50 or a nice even €100 for that then it's consentual exploitation

just because you have 3000 friends on facebook does not mean you have a following.

you dont have to advertise it,tell mates or bring anyone if you dont want to.

just a question but is there any circumstances where playing the venue as a once off outweighs the need to get paid?

also you thanked ianuss's post but hes basically saying what me and copeyhagen have been saying

Android 666

seannash wrote: »

its not the same as photography,graphic design etc

djing is fun and alot less work than any of the jobs listed above.
were not encouraging people to shortchange themselves but this is there choice.dont make them feel foolish for wanting to do it.

Some people get the same feeling of pleasure from taking a photograph as someone else would spinning a record and I would class both as creative pursuits and both can be as hard as you want to make them. I never intended to make anyone feel foolish I was just trying to show what can happen when people start playing for free all the time

seannash wrote: »

how about all those people in recording studios doing work exerience for no money are they being shafted?

In a word, yeah. The practice of using unpaid interns has become rife in the design industry and it's one I'm not fond of. But at the moment there are plenty of people out there to exploit and that's what studios are doing. Doesn't make it right in my book.

seannash wrote: »

seriously if fabric asked me to come and play i wouldnt be quizzing them on how much ill be getting.

Unless you're an established artist what are the chances of Fabric ringing you so I think that's a moot point. I think ianuss has pointed it out pretty

seannash wrote: »

how do you get to carnegie hall?
practice practice practice(and then ask how much youll be getting paid for the gig)

this will be some peoples carnegie hall and money shouldnt be a deciding factor in experiencing something they might remember for the rest of there lives

So let's say a pianist slowly builds a reputation over 20 years and eventually makes it to Carnegie Hall. Do you think its fair that he shouldn't be paid because of the 'privilege' he's been givinG?

seannash wrote: »

if it leads to further gigs talk figures and if you get paid on the night, bonus.

And if its a once off I don't really have a problem with it but if its continual exploitation I think that's a bit off. ianuss' point is probably the most accurate way of looking at it:

If it's a one-off opportunity being afforded to local talent, then I think it's ok to not pay them. Cos you're giving them experience and a bit of exposure. The difficulty arises when you have the same dj's playing regularly, contributing to the success of a night, offering their services for nothing. By accepting this, these dj's are screwing themselves, and their colleagues out of income

I suppose it all comes down to common sense in terms of where you draw the line.

seannash

Some people get the same feeling of pleasure from taking a photograph as someone else would spinning a record and I would class both as creative pursuits and both can be as hard as you want to make them. I never intended to make anyone feel foolish I was just trying to show what can happen when people start playing for free all the time

fair enough

In a word, yeah. The practice of using unpaid interns has become rife in the design industry and it's one I'm not fond of. But at the moment there are plenty of people out there to exploit and that's what studios are doing. Doesn't make it right in my book.

okay the design industry,whilst being a creative pursuit isnt the same as djing and any exploitation in it cant be used as an example for djing in my opinion.i was talking about interns in recording studios where they are learning skills.

Unless you're an established artist what are the chances of Fabric ringing you so I think that's a moot point. I think ianuss has pointed it out pretty

and the chance of tripod asking an unknown to dj is also very slim.ive never said continually dj for no money but for a once off its erfectly fine if its in a decnet venue that you want to play

So let's say a pianist slowly builds a reputation over 20 years and eventually makes it to Carnegie Hall. Do you think its fair that he shouldn't be paid because of the 'privilege' he's been givinG?

yes we all known in actuality he will be paid but i used carnegie hall as an example of a venue people would love to play in,much like tripod would be a big deal for an unknown dj to play.

as a side, i saw an oprah show where she granted a wish for someone to play carnegie hall.im pretty sure the performer didnt get paid

And if its a once off I don't really have a problem with it but if its continual exploitation I think that's a bit off. ianuss' point is probably the most accurate way of looking at it:

If it's a one-off opportunity being afforded to local talent, then I think it's ok to not pay them. Cos you're giving them experience and a bit of exposure. The difficulty arises when you have the same dj's playing regularly, contributing to the success of a night, offering their services for nothing. By accepting this, these dj's are screwing themselves, and their colleagues out of income

I suppose it all comes down to common sense in terms of where you draw the line.

definitely agree,if its a continued gig payment should be discussed but as a once off money shouldnt be a deciding factor in my opinion

Jev/N

seannash wrote: »

you dont have to advertise it,tell mates or bring anyone if you dont want to.

I won't get into this but with these promoters, yes you do.

seannash

Jev/N wrote: »

I won't get into this but with these promoters, yes you do.

no you dont,if they tell you you have to you still dont have to do it.its your choice.

if you dont get the gig as a result then you made the right decision.noone can force you to do it if you dont want to

also on the face of it this competiton is down to the mix you submit so telling people they will have to bring mates before anyone has been asked is steering people in the wrong direction.

if it turns out that you have to bring X amount of people then my advice would be to refuse.

until then its just a competition with the criteria as stated in the original post

Android 666

seannash wrote: »

okay the design industry,whilst being a creative pursuit isnt the same as djing and any exploitation in it cant be used as an example for djing in my opinion.i was talking about interns in recording studios where they are learning skills.

Sorry I think you picked me up wrong - I was comparing the rise of the unpaid in design studios being the same the same as unpaid interns in recording studios and I was just trying to make the point that imo they were both being exploited.

Tbh, I think we are basically singing from the same hymn sheet on all the major points on this.

copeyhagen

think we can more or less sum it up with:

once off = fine

more than once off = not fine

hans aus dtschl

I have paid everyone I've ever had warm up, even if they've been local lads still learning how to mix.
If I ask someone to play a gig and we have no budget, the money comes from my pocket. Even a crate of beer, accommodation and a bit of food is looked upon fondly.
Does that make me a sucker?

You lot really make some strange arguments.

It's like this: if you ask me to play a gig, you should make it clear that there's no money involved and make it clear what I'll be expected to do.
But if there's no money involved, I'll be asking why you want me to play. If it's fun for me, cool, if not, I walk away.

copeyhagen

whered ya get the sucker part from?!

jimi_t2

Supply > Demand

Otherwise they'd be paying people. Can't really see how people have gotten two pages of an argument out of this.

hans aus dtschl

seannash wrote: »

djing is fun and alot less work than any of the jobs listed above.
were not encouraging people to shortchange themselves but this is there choice.dont make them feel foolish for wanting to do it.

How about making people feel foolish for paying warmup dj's?

The photography/graphic design parallels are hugely significant here.

seannash

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

How about making people feel foolish for paying warmup dj's?

The photography/graphic design parallels are hugely significant here.

huh?

ive paid people to dj for me.i dont feel foolish.it was my decision.

if its 515's decision not to pay thats there choice and if its the djs choice to do it for free its theres.

even if you feel the photography/graphic design is similar its a seperate area.
to draw a better comparison try comparing it to an inexperienced band looking for a gig.there not worried about the payment they just want the experience.im sure if a good venue offered them a gig they would jump at the chance and not feel like there being exploited like so many have said

seannash

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

It's like this: if you ask me to play a gig, you should make it clear that there's no money involved and make it clear what I'll be expected to do.
But if there's no money involved, I'll be asking why you want me to play. If it's fun for me, cool, if not, I walk away.

so if its fun for the guy djing and no money is involved its cool for a one off?

thats basically what we have been saying and most people agree

brianc27

theres always gonna be bedroom djs that would love to play in a big club and have no problem doing it for free and who can blame them, but thats not the point, the point is a place like tripod should be paying their djs, its the principle of it more then anything, something very shadey about a place of that size not throwing even a couple a quid to some warm up djs.

people think this its a great thing them looking for new djs but they are only doing it because theres a good number of heads around the place that will not go near them, as they know they wont get paid.

gsparx

brianc27 wrote: »

people think this its a great thing them looking for new djs but they are only doing it because theres a good number of heads around the place that will not go near them, as they know they wont get paid.

Has this been confirmed though? No one seems to know for sure.
I suppose 515 could come on here and publicly refute it.

bubble_wrap

gsparx wrote: »

Has this been confirmed though? No one seems to know for sure.
I suppose 515 could come on here and publicly refute it.

this is a joke, a once iconic club in Dublin holding nights like this and not paying the dj's, unbelievable!

brianc27

gsparx wrote: »

Has this been confirmed though? No one seems to know for sure.
I suppose 515 could come on here and publicly refute it.

well thats what people around the place have being saying anyway, i'd say its true enough, if it wasn't im sure they'd have been on here (and other sites were this has come up) by now refuting it.