new DPM for irish DF

private2bcadet

is this true? im in the RDF, and i heard from one of the PDF lads that apparently the designer of the DPM pattern is raising his price to produce gear with the pattern on it.

from what i was a told he was an army sergeant who's wife made him a pencil case or map case with in a camo pattern (before our DPM obsiously), and his friends in work liked it and it cought on from there. i dont know if thats true either but im just saying what ive been told.

anyway, apparently he's looking for more and more money, and the DF is going to just do away with his deal, and design a new DPM.

now, obviously, this is just an army rumour, but is there any truth in it?

concussion

Sounds like a ball hop to me.

testicle

private2bcadet

hahaha

private2bcadet

i think ye could be right lads,


anyone like the idea of the dpm being changed to a digital camo scheme no?
a lot of the lads in the PDF i know are mad about the idea, but i think the original DPM looks much better that the new digital age crap.

opinions?

concussion

This thread may be of some interest to you

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055895321&highlight=dark

oncevotedff

private2bcadet wrote: »

is this true? im in the RDF, and i heard from one of the PDF lads that apparently the designer of the DPM pattern is raising his price to produce gear with the pattern on it....now, obviously, this is just an army rumour, but is there any truth in it?

I doubt it.

For one thing the producer of the uniforms would be under contract.

There may be some confusion with a private enterprise producing non issue stuff in the DPM pattern. He can charge what he likes.

private2bcadet

oncevotedff wrote: »

I doubt it.

For one thing the producer of the uniforms would be under contract.

There may be some confusion with a private enterprise producing non issue stuff in the DPM pattern. He can charge what he likes.

ya i see what you mean but i think the case is that the contracts run out, and he wants more money for a new one

Local-womanizer

I like the new BA camo myself,its meant to work in most terrain too afaik.

Mind you I cant see the Government looking to change the uniform at the moment.

private2bcadet

Local-womanizer wrote: »

I like the new BA camo myself,its meant to work in most terrain too afaik.

Mind you I cant see the Government looking to change the uniform at the moment.

ya true.

but i think they'l have to if its a case of saving money!


the new brit camo would be too bright for irish woodland though.. what you think?

SIRREX

private2bcadet wrote: »

is this true? im in the RDF, and i heard from one of the PDF lads that apparently the designer of the DPM pattern is raising his price to produce gear with the pattern on it.

from what i was a told he was an army sergeant who's wife made him a pencil case or map case with in a camo pattern (before our DPM obsiously), and his friends in work liked it and it cought on from there. i dont know if thats true either but im just saying what ive been told.

anyway, apparently he's looking for more and more money, and the DF is going to just do away with his deal, and design a new DPM.

now, obviously, this is just an army rumour, but is there any truth in it?

The design of the irish DPM is owned by the DF, so they don't heve to pay to use it, as to rising prices, well no matter what the rise, it is still cheaper to stay with current DPM. Imagine the cost of replacing all the kit currently on issue!

private2bcadet

SIRREX wrote: »

The design of the irish DPM is owned by the DF, so they don't heve to pay to use it, as to rising prices, well no matter what the rise, it is still cheaper to stay with current DPM. Imagine the cost of replacing all the kit currently on issue!

ya true.

didnt know about the DF owning it though, if thats the case then its definitely a stupid rumor

gungun

private2bcadet wrote: »

the new brit camo would be too bright for irish woodland though.. what you think?

MTP/ multicam works surprisingly well here, ofc in some forested areas the current DPM would work better, but in others the MTP would work better IMO
don't really see them changing it anytime soon though

private2bcadet

gungun wrote: »

MTP/ multicam works surprisingly well here, ofc in some forested areas the current DPM would work better, but in others the MTP would work better IMO
don't really see them changing it anytime soon though

ya it turns out i was looking up the wrong camo. the mtp pattern seams very good actually

Poccington

A contract has been signed by the DF and a company in Tyrone to produce Irish DPM uniform for the next 3 years.

So no, our DPM won't be changing anytime soon.

private2bcadet

Poccington wrote: »

A contract has been signed by the DF and a company in Tyrone to produce Irish DPM uniform for the next 3 years.

So no, our DPM won't be changing anytime soon.

thanks, thats that question sorted!!

MACHEAD

Poccington wrote: »

A contract has been signed by the DF and a company in Tyrone to produce Irish DPM uniform for the next 3 years.

So no, our DPM won't be changing anytime soon.

So no more imports from Seyntex in Belgium then? Glad to see the contract has gone to a co. on the island at least.

mackbolan

Digital camouflage is much more effective than DPM's.
The Irish military should make the change.

The British and American military were wearing camouflage uniforms since the 1970's before the Irish finally changed in the 1990's.

Now the Irish are behind again.

Poccington

mackbolan wrote: »

Digital camouflage is much more effective than DPM's.
The Irish military should make the change.

The British and American military were wearing camouflage uniforms since the 1970's before the Irish finally changed in the 1990's.

Now the Irish are behind again.

The Brits are still wearing DPM and they're getting on just fine.

mackbolan

Poccington wrote: »

The Brits are still wearing DPM and they're getting on just fine.

Did I say they weren't?

OS119

mackbolan wrote: »

Digital camouflage is much more effective than DPM's.

i don't think it is - it very much appears to have been a fashion - but its not, imho, better than a decent DPM (UK, Irish, French, German etc..) in real world conditions.

you can cetainly make a case that MTP/MultiCam is better than those DP's, but that, again imho, is because a) is uses a patern that screws up focusing, and b) its a damn sight lighter in colour than those DP's.

as i mentioned in the previous thread about DP, thats not an Afghanstan centric view, its based on seeing it in action on a variety of UK training areas (the wet, exposed hill and moorland with dark forestry blocks of Sennybridge and Otterburn, mountainous Garelochead, and sandy, heathland and pine forests of Thetford) where i had expected it to stick out like a sore thumb, but found that it was better than a late issue woodland DP at both concealment and distruption.

mackbolan

OS119 wrote: »

i don't think it is - it very much appears to have been a fashion - but its not, imho, better than a decent DPM (UK, Irish, French, German etc..) in real world conditions.

you can cetainly make a case that MTP/MultiCam is better than those DP's, but that, again imho, is because a) is uses a patern that screws up focusing, and b) its a damn sight lighter in colour than those DP's.

as i mentioned in the previous thread about DP, thats not an Afghanstan centric view, its based on seeing it in action on a variety of UK training areas (the wet, exposed hill and moorland with dark forestry blocks of Sennybridge and Otterburn, mountainous Garelochead, and sandy, heathland and pine forests of Thetford) where i had expected it to stick out like a sore thumb, but found that it was better than a late issue woodland DP at both concealment and distruption.

I was doing a bit of paint balling a while ago and I could make out the guys wearing DPM's but I found it very hard to see the guys in digital camouflage.

oglaigh

mackbolan wrote: »

I was doing a bit of paint balling a while ago and I could make out the guys wearing DPM's but I found it very hard to see the guys in digital camouflage.

haha wtf??? thats what you're basing your opinion on??? You should ring up DFHQ and inform them, you are clearly an expert!!!

Max001

mackbolan wrote: »

I was doing a bit of paint balling a while ago and I could make out the guys wearing DPM's but I found it very hard to see the guys in digital camouflage.

Is that what passes for a live fire exercise south of the border? Seriously, apart from protecting some cash in transit vans, what is the point of the Irish Defence Forces? Defence against what exactly?

jill_valentine

I don't think it's unreasonable to offer an example of a time you noticed one form of camouflage is harder to spot than another in an outdoor environment.

Want to cop on a bit with the macho posturing there lads.

concussion

He does have a point though, I've seen USMC digital camo absolutely melt into foliage, while DPM is still visible. Not much, and probably not enough to give away a soldier in a decent firing position, but the difference is noticeable.

Steyr

mackbolan wrote: »

The British and American military were wearing camouflage uniforms since the 1970's before the Irish finally changed in the 1990's.

Now the Irish are behind again.

Do you say the same about the Israeli's? They wear Olive Green for the most part.

Steyr

Max001 wrote: »

Is that what passes for a live fire exercise south of the border? Seriously, apart from protecting some cash in transit vans, what is the point of the Irish Defence Forces? Defence against what exactly?

You Sir are a troll.

SIRREX

mackbolan wrote: »

The British and American military were wearing camouflage uniforms since the 1970's before the Irish finally changed in the 1990's.

Now the Irish are behind again.

There were operational reasons for not wearing DPM on the Border, nobody wanted to see the DF being mistaken for BA

punchdrunk

the Company the OP alludes to is ProTac,but I believe the stories been slightly "Chinese whispered" if you like

http://www.protac.ie/store/index.php/

Manic Moran

jill_valentine wrote: »

I don't think it's unreasonable to offer an example of a time you noticed one form of camouflage is harder to spot than another in an outdoor environment.

Especially considering that's how they're tested officially.

NTM

goose2002

mackbolan wrote: »

Digital camouflage is much more effective than DPM's.
The Irish military should make the change.

The British and American military were wearing camouflage uniforms since the 1970's before the Irish finally changed in the 1990's.

Now the Irish are behind again.

You should probably tell these guys then while you're at it too. By the examples you've given above, these guys are way behind the times!



The whole which camo is better argument gets very old. Each camo has its advantages and disadvantages. Each camo type can work perfectly well under the conditions it was designed and in a lot of surprising cases, terrain it was not designed for. I have seen Brit desert camo work extremely well in Northern Ireland and Scotland for instance and was fairly hard to see until you got up close. Part of what camo does is to fool your eye into seeing a different shape to what you are looking for and expect to see.

The Irish camo is by no mean obsolete and is perfectly good for the DF at the min. Don't be fooled into thinking digital BDU is absolutely amazing and has rendered all DPM obsolete and behind the times. A large part of the thinking behind the idea of one pattern for all conditions was cost in that only one type of uniform is needed.