Tri Nations 2010-All Black v South Africa Sat 10/7

Coverage for this starts at 8:30am on SS2

NZ Lineup
1. Tony Woodcock (63)
2. Keven Mealamu (74)
3. Owen Franks (12)
4. Brad Thorn (40)
5. Tom Donnelly (7)
6. Jerome Kaino (27)
7. Richie McCaw – captain (83)
8. Kieran Read (19)
9. Jimmy Cowan (36)
10. Daniel Carter (69)
11. Josevata Rokocoko (62)
12. Ma'a Nonu (46)
13. Conrad Smith (35)
14. Cory Jane (15)
15. Mils Muliaina (83)

Reserves:
16. Corey Flynn (7)
17. Ben Franks (2)
18. Samuel Whitelock (3)
19. Liam Messam (3)
20. Piri Weepu (37)
21. Aaron Cruden (3)
22. Richard Kahui (10)

Surprises would be the non inclusion of Israel Dagg and Victor Vito.

South Africa delay team announcement till Thurs

Probable team

1:Gurthro Steenkamp
2:John Smit
3:Jannie du Plessis
4:Victor Matfield
5:Bakkies Botha
6:Schalk Burger
7:Francois Louw
8: Pierre Spies
9:Ricky January

10:Morne Steyn
11:Bryan Habana
12:Juan de Jongh
13:Jacques Fourie
14:Gio Aplon
15:Zane Kirchner

Pending injuries this is the likely team,Olivier should play 12 but PDV will select De Jong,Nonu will run through this lad all day.

I like the AB's for this,I think PDV is pushing his luck playing lads like De Jong,Aplon and Kirchner is pretty bad aswell.

Without Du Preez to control the game i think NZ will win and by at least 10.It goes against the Super 14 form but without Du Preez they are a different team and the AB's will be out for blood.

The breakdown will be key and SA seem to have got to grips sooner.Louw has been performing very well in the super 14 and they will be hoping he dominates McCaw,will be an interesting battle.

Ciaran-Irl

I'd expect the front row for South Africa to be different, but yeah. Hosea Gear should have been picked at 11.

chupacabra

The exclusion of Dagg is shocking to be honest. He was pretty class during the summer tour. Injuries are starting to hamper the boks. I thought Bismarck and Fourie Du Preez were supposed to be back for the tri nations?

Judgement Day

I'm really looking forward to this match and revenge for last year's defeats. That's a massively strong All Blacks lineup and the home advantage should prove decisive but nothing short of a rout will keep me happy. According to scrum.com this is by far the most experienced AB team in terms of caps to ever take the field. Watch out for the return of Ma'a Nonu!



Nonu 'Man of the Match' at Croke Park in November 2008

PhatPiggins

chupacabra wrote: »

The exclusion of Dagg is shocking to be honest. He was pretty class during the summer tour. Injuries are starting to hamper the boks. I thought Bismarck and Fourie Du Preez were supposed to be back for the tri nations?

With Nonu playing his first game in a while and Smith prone to the odd injury I'm not surprised that Kahui is on the bench instead of Dagg. Jury's still out on Dagg, looks dynamite against average teams but there are question marks over his defence.

The loss of Du Preez and Fanny Steyn are huge though Morne Steyn has become the most effective 10 in the world at the mo. If the AB's cant beat that powder puff SA backline then they may as well concede the world cup now.

Dont like the all Blacks bench at all

chupacabra

chupacabra wrote: »

The exclusion of Dagg is shocking to be honest. He was pretty class during the summer tour.

I'd say he will be picked against the Aussies. Mils is a solid FB and we all know the Boks are gonna kick the bejesus out of that rugby ball. High ball + chasers + power = Springboks. I wouldnt want an untested FB with those kind of tactics.

theKramer

Sorry for going slightly off-topic, but whats happened to Broussow? Is he injured, or has he become ineffective now that the rules dont favour an out and out groundhog anymore????

theKramer

theKramer wrote: »

Sorry for going slightly off-topic, but whats happened to Broussow? Is he injured, or has he become ineffective now that the rules dont favour an out and out groundhog anymore????

he was injured early in the super 14 and lost his place.You have a point about the breakdown and him though,he may not be as effective.

redroar1942

Alayna Clever Valedictorian wrote: »

he was injured early in the super 14 and lost his place.You have a point about the breakdown and him though,he may not be as effective.

He gave away a huge amount of penalties in the earlier rounds of the S14. Would like to see him return to form as he is a genuine 7 but their days may be numbered.

subfreq

redroar1942 wrote: »

He gave away a huge amount of penalties in the earlier rounds of the S14. Would like to see him return to form as he is a genuine 7 but their days may be numbered.

Same thing seems to have happened to Thompson in NZ. Had an awesome S14 but the coaches think the game has gone in a different direction to his style and he has been released from the AB's to join the Sevens squad.

Very dramatic fall from grace for both players.

Pocock seems the only one to be secure in his position for the Aussies.

redroar1942

subfreq wrote: »

Same thing seems to have happened to Thompson in NZ. Had an awesome S14 but the coaches think the game has gone in a different direction to his style and he has been released from the AB's to join the Sevens squad.

Very dramatic fall from grace for both players.

Pocock seems the only one to be secure in his position for the Aussies.

Yeah Thompson surprises me as he had his best ever season this year under the new interpretations yet they still ditch him.

Is Juan Smit injured? He's the best of the SA backrowers in my book

Yeah hes injured,their backrow depth is unbelieveable

PhatPiggins

Alayna Clever Valedictorian wrote: »

Yeah hes injured,their backrow depth is unbelieveable

With the SA propensity to breed 6'4 17 stone males in the thousands the odds on them having strenght in the backrow are pretty good

Will be interesting to see the tri nations in regards to our backrow.It now seems a must to have an athletic huge 7 to smash up rucks,rather than a traditional fetcher.
Sean O'Brien would seem the obvious choice for Ireland.

PhatPiggins

Alayna Clever Valedictorian wrote: »

Will be interesting to see the tri nations in regards to our backrow.It now seems a must to have an athletic huge 7 to smash up rucks,rather than a traditional fetcher.
Sean O'Brien would seem the obvious choice for Ireland.

Its played into Wallace/O Brien's hands a bit in that their weakest points are now largely irrelevant witht he rule changes.

I for one will be sad if this is the end of the groundhog 7 as its a skill very hard to master.

It does take a way a huge part of the Darcy/BOD turnover game as well

PhatPiggins

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Its played into Wallace/O Brien's hands a bit in that their weakest points are now largely irrelevant witht he rule changes.

I for one will be sad if this is the end of the groundhog 7 as its a skill very hard to master.

It does take a way a huge part of the Darcy/BOD turnover game as well

You still can,you just have to show the ref that you make an attempt to release the player.The great 7's will adapt imo.

PhatPiggins

Alayna Clever Valedictorian wrote: »

You still can,you just have to show the ref that you make an attempt to release the player.The great 7's will adapt imo.

You need 2 greats there, a great 7 and a great ref. Only about 3 of the later.

Ciaran-Irl

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

I'd expect the front row for South Africa to be different, but yeah. Hosea Gear should have been picked at 11.

What do I know? Nothing it seems.

South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Jean de Villiers, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Ricky Januarie, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger, 5 Victor Matfield, 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 John Smit (c), 1 Gurthro Steenkamp.
Replacements: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 BJ Botha, 18 Andries Bekker, 19 Danie Rossouw, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Butch James, 22 Gio Aplon.

redroar1942

De Villiers is begining to show signs that he is a good coach. I'd fancy SA to win with that team.

PhatPiggins

redroar1942 wrote: »

De Villiers is begining to show signs that he is a good coach. I'd fancy SA to win with that team.

Good point, I wish Icould be as smarts as you!!

subfreq

Aussie Tri-Nations Squad: Adam Ashley-Cooper, Berrick Barnes, Kurtley Beale, Richard Brown, Luke Burgess, Mark Chisholm, Quade Cooper, Ben Daley, Rocky Elsom (captain), Anthony Faingaa, Saia Faingaa, Will Genia, Matt Giteau, Scott Higginbotham, Matt Hodgson, Rob Horne, Peter Hynes, Digby Ioane, Ben McCalman, Salesi Ma’afu, Stephen Moore, Dean Mumm, James O’Connor, David Pocock, Benn Robinson, Nathan Sharpe, Rob Simmons, James Slipper.

Sorry I know this is a match thread but didn't see a separate Tri-Nations one.

Ciaran-Irl

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

What do I know? Nothing it seems.

South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Jean de Villiers, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Ricky Januarie, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger, 5 Victor Matfield, 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 John Smit (c), 1 Gurthro Steenkamp.
Replacements: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 BJ Botha, 18 Andries Bekker, 19 Danie Rossouw, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Butch James, 22 Gio Aplon.

Kirchner, Olivier and Januarie are useless. Why is JDV playing out of position against a seriously threatening All Black back line?

I'm calling it - Bonus point win for New Zealand

wixfjord

Deleted User wrote: »

Kirchner, Olivier and Januarie are useless. Why is JDV playing out of position against a seriously threatening All Black back line?

I'm calling it - Bonus point win for New Zealand

Other two but hes not imo. Should be the Blacks though.

wixfjord

wixfjord wrote: »

Other two but hes not imo.

I disagree. He had a good year with the Bulls but thats about it. On another note, if JDV is fit, why not put him into the centre with Fourie? I can understand experimenting, but not against Noo Zulland. Nonu and Smith are gonna have a larf.

Ciaran-Irl

Yeah, I can't see past a New Zealand win here at all.

Judgement Day

Wiki link below to all All Blacks/Springboks test results - for all those of you who like to review the past before betting the kitchen sink.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_New_Zealand_and_South_Africa

Last year does not make pretty reading - there's something unnatural about it! I think I'll play safe and go for the All Blacks to win by more than 4 @ 10/11 and a few try scorers - Cory Jane @ 13/8, Ma'a Nonu @ 15/8, Joe Rokococo @ 13/8 and the wonder boy Dan Carter @ 11/4 looks great value with his recent form!

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Kirchner, Olivier and Januarie are useless. Why is JDV playing out of position against a seriously threatening All Black back line?

I'm calling it - Bonus point win for New Zealand

Olivier would probably walk into the Ireland team on current form.Jdv started off as a winger and has played there more than 12 for SA.

pdv obviously reckons Jdv is the man to stop cocopops on the wing.Im less confident of an ABs win after seeing that team.

PhatPiggins

Judgement Day wrote: »

Wiki link below to all All Blacks/Springboks test results - for all those of you who like to review the past before betting the kitchen sink.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_New_Zealand_and_South_Africa

Last year does not make pretty reading - there's something unnatural about it! I think I'll play safe and go for the All Blacks to win by more than 4 @ 10/11 and a few try scorers - Cory Jane @ 13/8, Ma'a Nonu @ 15/8, Joe Rokococo @ 13/8 and the wonder boy Dan Carter @ 11/4 looks great value with his recent form!

I have a good bet for you JD, Quade Cooper top try scorer for the tournament at 28/1.

If he doesn't score more tries then any of the players you've mentioned above I'll change my username to Johny Wilkinsons unwanted love child

PhatPiggins

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree. He had a good year with the Bulls but thats about it. On another note, if JDV is fit, why not put him into the centre with Fourie? I can understand experimenting, but not against Noo Zulland. Nonu and Smith are gonna have a larf.

Fourie and Oliver were the best centres in the S14 by a country mile, Nonu just back from injury and the defensive excellence of the two Bok wingers! Smith and Nonu will do well just to gain parity.

sock puppet

PhatPiggins wrote: »

I have a good bet for you JD, Quade Cooper top try scorer for the tournament at 28/1.

If he doesn't score more tries then any of the players you've mentioned above I'll change my username to Johny Wilkinsons unwanted love child

Dunno about that. I have a sneaking suspicion that the first sign of a drop in form Deans will have Giteau straight back in there. He does have his favourites.

PhatPiggins

sock puppet wrote: »

Dunno about that. I have a sneaking suspicion that the first sign of a drop in form Deans will have Giteau straight back in there. He does have his favourites.

Personally I think Giteau is the more deserving to be dropped, his form has been average and he's not handling playing second fiddle to QC very well.

I know Deans thinks the sun shines and all that but hay its a 28/1 shot there has to be some risk involved.

sock puppet

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Personally I think Giteau is the more deserving to be dropped, his form has been average and he's not handling playing second fiddle to QC very well.

I know Deans thinks the sun shines and all that but hay its a 28/1 shot there has to be some risk involved.

True. If he keeps his place he'll score tries.

PhatPiggins

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Fourie and Oliver were the best centres in the S14 by a country mile, Nonu just back from injury and the defensive excellence of the two Bok wingers! Smith and Nonu will do well just to gain parity.

Nonu and Smith are Hurricanes team mates, I'd say they know each other inside out and the injury layoff wont be too much of an issue. As for Olivier, he was playing in a savage team which, in my opinion, made him look a lot better than he actually is.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Nonu and Smith are Hurricanes team mates, I'd say they know each other inside out and the injury layoff wont be too much of an issue. As for Olivier, he was playing in a savage team which, in my opinion, made him look a lot better than he actually is.

You said olivier was rubbish,he is not.I dont care what team he was playing for,he is a beast and will contain nonu all day.

He gains yards every touch

Stev_o

Alayna Clever Valedictorian wrote: »

You said olivier was rubbish,he is not.I dont care what team he was playing for,he is a beast and will contain nonu all day.

He gains yards every touch

The same Olivier that completely manshamed by a 18 year old who has never played a full game for Leicester? Yeah definitely a world class centre.... The Bulls make him look good but by god he's average.

Stev_o

Stev_o wrote: »

The same Olivier that completely manshamed by a 18 year old who has never played a full game for Leicester? Yeah definitely a world class centre.... The Bulls make him look good but by god he's average.

have you watched the super 14,he has been faultless.He will not be a weak link at all.

2040

People tend to be very divided on Olivier for some reason. He was class in the super14 this year with the bulls and he was their star player for a lot of it. He's watertight in defence and breaks the line again and again.

He plays a similar game to Andrew Bishop except he's far far better. He'd stroll into the Irish team.

Average my ass.

PhatPiggins

Stev_o wrote: »

The same Olivier that completely manshamed by a 18 year old who has never played a full game for Leicester? Yeah definitely a world class centre.... The Bulls make him look good but by god he's average.

Great word. I wouldn't call 6ft1 16 and a half stone lump of Samoan muscle your average 18 year old.

thomond2006

De Villiers on the wing?

jayteecork

All Blacks only -4 on the handicap? wtf!

Put a few quid on there with Boyle.

This SA team doesn't look great, especially the backs.
Ricky January at SH?

chupacabra

Thank god i work nights. I just have to struggle on for another hour and a half to catch the game. I reckon the Blacks are going to pip the boks. We seem to be set up for a lot of crash ball running and perhaps for once we arent going to slip back into a kick first, attack later approach. However i feel that with this All Black side the way they are either kicking game or ball in hand is going to be very hard to contest. 2 very strong benches too. I would look to bring Aplon on for De Villiers if he isnt firing and for once the boks have real options at half back . Not expecting a cracking game of rugby but it should set us up for a nice tri nations series regardless.

colman1212

Any streams lads?!!

colman1212

found one!!
http://iraqgoals.net/10004-new-zealand-vs-south-africa-.html

amacachi

Anyone else find the pic on Sky very dark? Like the floodlights are very dim or something.


Classic RSA already, headbutt after a tackle.
EDIT: Gets no better the more it's shown, has to be a citing.

Bakkies Botha should be banned for that. ****ing scumbag

chupacabra

That was disgusting by Botha. Really really bad. So dissapointing, but not unexpected.

colman1212

bakies botha is an absolute scumbag....

duckysauce

usual south african game plan, hope the all blacks do them

sock puppet

chupacabra wrote: »

That was disgusting by Botha. Really really bad. So dissapointing, but not unexpected.

Two minutes into the tournament as well. Hope he gets a long ban.

chupacabra

sock puppet wrote: »

Two minutes into the tournament as well. Hope he gets a long ban.

He must. thats 6 months minimum i would say

EDIT: For anyone who didnt see it. He basically drove his head into the back of Cowans head while they were both on the ground.

amacachi

LOL, now he's sinbinned.