Barred from a shop for being a "black magician"

Crosswalk

Today my friend and I went into a small spiritual and holistic-healing shop - you know, the type with stones, incense and Buddha statues etc. Within a few seconds of being there, the shopkeeper called us to the counter and told us that we would have to leave because we had "negative energy in our auras" or something along those lines. She handed us a sheet with "You are being barred from the shop __________ for one or all of the following reasons".

These were some of the reasons given:

1. You're consciously or unconsciously doing black magic.
2. Because of your undealt with issues from your childhood, many of these that you may not remember and through these someone is using your energy field to plant energy in the shop.
3. You are an addict or in recovery.
4. You are totally ungrounded, living in your head as a result of abuse which you may not remember.
5. You are mentally unbalanced.

It also went on to say that:

If you're part of a group whose aim is to close down this shop, ask yourself the question what gives me the right to participate in such activities? It's a bit like shoplifters attempting to close down the very shops they were caught shoplifting from.

At the end it states:

If you believe we have done something wrong by barring certain individuals from the shop, how do you know that they are not doing what they have been barred for doing? What gives you the right to act on second-hand knowledge?

Do not return to the shop to protest your innocence or to attempt to persuade us that we are in error. Barred is barred.

Myself and my friend were not acting suspiciously. We were in the shop for merely a few seconds before the shopkeeper called us to the counter. Although it's kind of amusing, someone not quite as easy-going might find it very offensive. I'm just wondering is this actually legal?

Run_to_da_hills

I would have just told the shop keeper to fcuk off.

kierank01

If they were a healing shop, do you think that they might have provided a way for you to deal with your unmistakeable issues?

Did they give you a number of a therapist that you clearly need?

Gaspode

I dont think there's anything illegal about being barred from a shop, I suspect the management have some rights to refuse admission.

Still, you had a lucky escape, at least you didn't waste any of your cash on that crap!

Crosswalk

kierank01 wrote: »

If they were a healing shop, do you think that they might have provided a way for you to deal with your unmistakeable issues?

I suppose my energies must have been beyond repair. :pac:

It's strange that a shopkeeper can bar someone for such a strange reason!

therecklessone

5. You are mentally unbalanced.

You should have pointed out the fact that the shopkeeper was in breach of his/her own rules, and demanded they leave the shop with you.

Grumpypants

I would have given her a negative energy in her auras.

Should take a claim to the equality board say you are being discriminated against because your a black Wizard. But seriously no i don't think the law allows for some one to be barred for maybe suffering abuse as a child.

My intimidate response was to laugh at it but the more i look at the list from the barring page the more it disturbs me that these wackos can make claims like this.

Drake66

I suppose there may be some grounds for defamation but to be honest I would leave her and her auras to herself!

jor el

So, you were barred from a hocus pocus shop for hocus pocus reasons, is that about the size of it? TBH, I'd walk away from someone who is obviously that cracked.

Cabaal

I would have said I've cursed her shop, might as well have some sort of fun with crazy like that

Crosswalk

Cabaal wrote: »

I would have said I've cursed her shop, might as well have some sort of fun with crazy like that

I regret not doing something like that now! We were just so surprised when she handed us the sheet and told us to leave. We didn't have time to read it until we were out of there. It is really funny but the stuff about being abused is not on really. It's a fairly small shop down a sidestreet so if she does that to the majority of the people that go in there the place won't last long!

lalee17

Name and shame the shop we should get a group of people to go in with witch hats and wands .

frag420

Go back in there dressed like this and put a hex on her ass!!


and dont buy anything

frAg

CrazySnakeLady

Everyone knows spiritual and holistic-healing is a pile of rubbish anyway so they probably randomly target people and do this just to imply they are "Reading Auras" but the truth is it's kinda like being the 1 million'th customer in Tescos, except in Tescos you win something whereas in spiritual and holistic-healing shops you get accused of "Bad Karma", they kicked you out to make it look good to all the other customers, I suggest changing clothes (Style of dress) for just one day for the laugh and go in again on your own and see if they kick you out again, bet if you were to wear a suit and tie they'd lick your ass and just be seeing euro signs lol

bazza1

Put a hex on the shop with your obvious shamonic aura! mess up her feng shui big time.

CrazySnakeLady

bazza1 wrote: »

Put a hex on the shop with your obvious shamonic aura! mess up her feng shui big time.

The best way to do this is to follow her home and when she falls asleep break into her house and rearrange her furnature, it'll totally screw up her ying and yang, place two mirrors facing each other and it'll totally freak her out

Magenta

If that's how she does business, it sounds like she could do with a good kick up the auras!!!

tony1kenobi

lalee17 wrote: »

Name and shame the shop we should get a group of people to go in with witch hats and wands .

Isn't this the point?Fantastic marketing....Crosswalk shows this list to all his/her friends and they go to the store to see if they are "welcome".......

....don't name the shop.......

xoxyx

That is flipping hilarious! Could you tell the name of the shop? I want to go in and see if I'm accepted.

xoxyx

tony1kenobi wrote: »

Isn't this the point?Fantastic marketing....Crosswalk shows this list to all his/her friends and they go to the store to see if they are "welcome".......

....don't name the shop.......

z_topaz wrote: »

That is flipping hilarious! Could you tell the name of the shop? I want to go in and see if I'm accepted.

Oooops. Their marketing ploy appears to be working...

CrazySnakeLady

Magenta wrote: »

If that's how she does business, it sounds like she could do with a good kick up the auras!!!

Or even better bend her over and tell her "I need to realign your cosmic karma which will involve me giving you a swift kick up Uranus"

Cabaal

Maybe its the owners weird marketing compaign in order to get the name of the shock talked about? In short don't name the hole

CrazySnakeLady

Cabaal wrote: »

Maybe its the owners weird marketing compaign in order to get the name of the shock talked about? In short don't name the hole

And not only don't name them but also say how crap their products are too so that then, when this gets to 10 pages of critism of their products and services, then name them and totally wreak their Karma lol

oceanclub

Crosswalk wrote: »

Today my friend and I went into a small spiritual and holistic-healing shop - you know, the type with stones, incense and Buddha statues etc. Within a few seconds of being there, the shopkeeper called us to the counter and told us that we would have to leave because we had "negative energy in our auras" or something along those lines. She handed us a sheet with "You are being barred from the shop __________ for one or all of the following reasons".

This sounds almost too bizarre to be true - what's the shop and can you scan in the leaflet?

P.

DeVore

Obviously don't name the shop but wow... thats cracked.

There is a serious question here, can a shop owner bar entry on this basis? Isnt there something about public houses having to admit people except under certain circumstances... (I remember something about barring travellers). Interesting question basically...

As for Aura's and starsigns.... I get a giggle from this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0W7Jbc_Vhw

DeV.

Crosswalk

I won't name the shop but I can type (seeing as I don't have a scanner) up the full text of the leaflet if anyone wants to see it? It's got some fairly crazy things in it.

I'm not looking to pursue any action really seeing as it's more funny than offensive. I'm just wondering if shopkeepers are actually allowed to do that. Could I ban someone from my shop for wearing socks with sandals, for example?

CrazySnakeLady

DeVore wrote: »

Obviously don't name the shop but wow... thats cracked.

There is a serious question here, can a shop owner bar entry on this basis? Isnt there something about public houses having to admit people except under certain circumstances... (I remember something about barring travellers). Interesting question basically...

As for Aura's and starsigns.... I get a giggle from this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0W7Jbc_Vhw

DeV.

Not totally sure but "The management has the right to refuse admission" is still a legal right they have

A google search spits up this but it's all case specific

http://www.google.ie/#hl=en&q=does+The+management+has+the+right+to+refuse+admission%3F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=5bce4f5dc0079769

But I find this intresting if it's a general rule

Management reserves the right to refuse entry to any person who does not comply with the conditions of entry.

because if a condition of entry is a good aura how can they prove that you have a bad aura? I doubt it'd stand up in a court to have some hippy there saying he sees all dark colours emenating from you, hell chances are that he's seeing that as a residual effect of the LSD and 10 joints he took just before he was due to get in the witness stand.

dudara

Please don't name the shop

dudara

CrazySnakeLady

dudara wrote: »

Please don't name the shop

dudara

Now you are just being a buzz kill :D

CrazySnakeLady

Wait I have a question (I'm actually suprised no one else seen this) but the title of this thread is "Barred from a shop for being a "black magician"" yes? but read the first post again, as much as I think barring someone for no reason is wrong the first post also makes no reference to being a "Black magician" so unless you walked in dressed like Gandalf (In which case I'd probably bar you too for the safety of others as a nutter) I don't see where the "Black magician" comes into it, what does a "Black magician" do? make evil black rabbits appear? is your best card trick to make an Ace of Spades "Magically" appear? If you view yourself as a "Black Magician" in normal company then maybe she had a point

rubadub

dudara wrote: »

Please don't name the shop

dudara

This is consumer alerts, everybody knows it can only be tesco!

CrazySnakeLady wrote: »

I'm actually suprised no one else seen this

They did see it and they also saw this bit

1. You're consciously or unconsciously doing black magic.

Jumpy

I would have deepened my voice and said "Only the power of christ can compel me to leave foolish human female"

Magenta

rubadub wrote: »

This is consumer alerts, everybody knows it can only be tesco!

Yep, only a matter of time til the anti-English brigade come on and tell the OP to shop in an Irish store in future.... cos, you know, Irish stores are soooo much better run, look at all the I Love Dunnes threads, right..?

CrazySnakeLady

rubadub wrote: »

This is consumer alerts, everybody knows it can only be tesco!

They did see it and they also saw this bit

1. You're consciously or unconsciously doing black magic.

Which begs the question what led them to that conclusion in the first place?

Nolimits

CrazySnakeLady wrote: »

Which begs the question what led them to that conclusion in the first place?

Her aura, also mentioned in the op....

slimjimmc

CrazySnakeLady wrote: »

Which begs the question what led them to that conclusion in the first place?

Merely possessing the wrong aura seemed enough for her.

Crosswalk wrote: »

the shopkeeper called us to the counter and told us that we would have to leave because we had "negative energy in our auras" or something along those lines.

CrazySnakeLady

Nolimits wrote: »

Her aura, also mentioned in the op....

So wait, lets put this into perspective, the OP has implied they are a practioner of "Black magic", the shop they were barred from they were barred for "a bad aura" I assume because they look/dress like someone that practices black magic. So now we have one person that thinks they talk to the devil and another that thinks the are fighting the forces of evil, I'm sorry but they are all delusional, both the OP and the shop keeper and all this aura crap does nothing but make them sound like nutters

The Sparrow

Ah name the shop. Let some of us have a bit of fun too and see if we get thrown out for the same reason.

And if it is a marketing ploy then it is a pretty original one so they deserve some kudos:pac:

Although, I suspect it might be a good idea to stop shopping in Holland & Barrett with your full length hooded cloak and magic stick outfit on.

The Sparrow

CrazySnakeLady wrote: »

So wait, lets put this into perspective, the OP has implied they are a practioner of "Black magic",

Where did you get that from??

Are you the owner of the shop???:p

Crosswalk

CrazySnakeLady wrote: »

So wait, lets put this into perspective, the OP has implied they are a practioner of "Black magic", the shop they were barred from they were barred for "a bad aura" I assume because they look/dress like someone that practices black magic. So now we have one person that thinks they talk to the devil and another that thinks the are fighting the forces of evil, I'm sorry but they are all delusional, both the OP and the shop keeper and all this aura crap does nothing but make them sound like nutters

I'm in no way a "black magician" or believe in any kind of magical mumbo jumbo. I put that in the thread title because the shopkeeper implied that I was a black magician and that was the reason I was barred from the shop - not because I actually am a black magician and the shopkeeper was able to recognize that. The shopkeeper also implied that I was abused as a child and that I was "mentally unstable" something that I know is definitely untrue. I don't think I have a direct line to the devil either. :P I am a perfectly normal person barred from a shop because the shopkeeper assumed that I was a black magician despite the fact that I don't believe in any of that stuff or look like a black magic practitioner imo.

jimmycrackcorm

Things to do...

Go back to the shop and say that you had a bath and your aura is clean now.
Post them a fake court summons cutting defamation of character or even better get a real solicitors letter threatening legal action for defamation if you don't receive an apology

CrazySnakeLady

Crosswalk wrote: »

I'm in no way a "black magician" or believe in any kind of magical mumbo jumbo. I put that in the thread title because the shopkeeper implied that I was a black magician and that was the reason I was barred from the shop - not because I actually am a black magician and the shopkeeper was able to recognize that. The shopkeeper also implied that I was abused as a child and that I was "mentally unstable" something that I know is definitely untrue. I don't think I have a direct line to the devil either. :P I am a perfectly normal person barred from a shop because the shopkeeper assumed that I was a black magician despite the fact that I don't believe in any of that stuff or look like a black magic practitioner imo.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Things to do...

Go back to the shop and say that you had a bath and your aura is clean now.
Post them a fake court summons cutting defamation of character or even better get a real solicitors letter threatening legal action for defamation if you don't receive an apology

What he said ^^

They can't discriminate like that OP, it'd be like barring someone from a shop for being coloured, they claim enlightenment and love but practice hate, if you did nothing wrong they have no reason to ask you to leave unless their reasons were biast and based on a stereotype of how you dress or act but how you dress or act is your business not theirs so they have no right to judge you considering the image they they try to convey with their shop is that they love everyone, if I was you I'd tear them apart in court until I get an apology and teach them a lesson

Bob Z

back in and complain but this time leave the cat and broomstick behind

Willbbz

CrazySnakeLady wrote: »

What he said ^^

They can't discriminate like that OP, it'd be like barring someone from a shop for being coloured, they claim enlightenment and love but practice hate, if you did nothing wrong they have no reason to ask you to leave unless their reasons were biast and based on a stereotype of how you dress or act but how you dress or act is your business not theirs so they have no right to judge you considering the image they they try to convey with their shop is that they love everyone, if I was you I'd tear them apart in court until I get an apology and teach them a lesson

but then they'll curse you and you'll be in a 'Drag me to hell' type scenario

chasm

DeVore wrote: »

There is a serious question here, can a shop owner bar entry on this basis? Isnt there something about public houses having to admit people except under certain circumstances... (I remember something about barring travellers). Interesting question basically...

Yeah i think you might be referring to The Equal Status Act?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0008/index.html

the_syco

OP, please PM the name of the shop, and it's location, so i may visit it with at least 3 fellow metallers dressed in black. Freak the b|tch out :cool:

dudara

Right - I appreciate this is quite amusing - but there is a genuine issue here.

Did the shopowner have the right to ask this customer to leave? Can we focus on answering that question?

Any further off-topic comments will not be appreciated.

dudara

eightyfish

dudara wrote: »

Did the shopowner have the right to ask this customer to leave?

As crazy as the shop owner sounds, they have a right to refuse admission. Even if it is for imaginary reasons.

keithclancy

Nightclubs do it all the time, no white runners.

No specific reason for it, just that they don't want you there.

ShooterSF

As far as I am aware there are only a few protected areas where one cannot discriminate e.g race, marital status, age (though car insurance companies and pubs that have "strictly over 25" or such are exempt because thats good discrimination :rolleyes:) etc.

Though it does open a loophole..(HYPOTHETICAL) I work in a bar and if a traveller came in could I refuse him based on his "aura"? How can he prove he doesnt have negative energy when it doesnt actually exist?

Ste.phen

ShooterSF wrote: »

Though it does open a loophole..(HYPOTHETICAL) I work in a bar and if a traveller came in could I refuse him based on his "aura"? How can he prove he doesnt have negative energy when it doesnt actually exist?

How can he prove he has a 'good' aura?