Eircom to shed 2000 jobs

population

In the Independent today

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/nightmare-for-jobs-as-eircom-to-shed-2000-2245555.html

As much as I don't like to see people lose their jobs, this has been on the cards for a while. It is a bloated mess of a company and I would say whatever happens the future doesn't look too bright for eircom

thebman

And wait for a few days and union will probably again plead with the state to bail them out!

Can't seem I'm surprised or even that upset given Eircoms track record with its customers of poor service, lack of investment in network and ridiculous high prices for service provided compared to competitors.

dan_d

Yeah, but when taken into account along with this...


http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/reports-banks-and-eircom-to-shed-4000-jobs-464111.html

We are so unbelievably screwed.Still.:(:mad:

Penisland

population wrote: »

In the Independent today

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/nightmare-for-jobs-as-eircom-to-shed-2000-2245555.html

As much as I don't like to see people lose their jobs, this has been on the cards for a while. It is a bloated mess of a company and I would say whatever happens the future doesn't look too bright for eircom

Most of these are voluntary on huge packages that will just end up causing more problems!!

johnnyskeleton

dan_d wrote: »

Yeah, but when taken into account along with this...


http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/reports-banks-and-eircom-to-shed-4000-jobs-464111.html

We are so unbelievably screwed.Still.:(:mad:

The banks should probably shed even more staff than that, since they are not actually doing any new business. In particular, they should make cuts at the top levels and appoint receiver type managers to clear out the loan books. The branches should be kept on on a skeletal staff.

Then, when they are solvent again, they can start re-hiring with new staff with new ideas.

Unfortunately for those staff at the lower end, they will bear the brunt of the job losses while those at the top will probably remain.

ei.sdraob

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The banks should probably shed even more staff than that, since they are not actually doing any new business. In particular, they should make cuts at the top levels and appoint receiver type managers to clear out the loan books. The branches should be kept on on a skeletal staff.

Then, when they are solvent again, they can start re-hiring with new staff with new ideas.

Unfortunately for those staff at the lower end, they will bear the brunt of the job losses while those at the top will probably remain.

eircom was rotten to the core well before the recession hit, and deserves to sink as a failed company (feel sorry for the employees tho alot of them are unionised job for life types that helped towards eircoms downfall just as much as the incompetent management), new better company(ies) will spring up in its place

the faster this shower go down the better

tho knowing our government they will get a bailout now :rolleyes:

ingen

population wrote: »

In the Independent today

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/nightmare-for-jobs-as-eircom-to-shed-2000-2245555.html

As much as I don't like to see people lose their jobs, this has been on the cards for a while. It is a bloated mess of a company and I would say whatever happens the future doesn't look too bright for eircom

thats on top of the existing plan of 1200 job cuts.

thats massive debt. the government should not bail it out what so ever, they have wasted too much cash so far on bailouts.

i cannot see how they are going to get the cash to roll out fiber in many major towns , like they are testing in sandyford and wexford early next year..

Powerhouse

This is a non-story when you read it, no attribution or anything. Just a silly season Sunday front-pager playing on what people want to read about.

This company has been stripped of everything by successive speculators and can hardly cope financially with its V/L offering. It will have neither the cash nor staff to roll anything out anywhere in the near future.

But those who whinge about Eircom's prices should acquaint themselves with the restrictions the company faces regarding price reducation - in order to foster competition! You couldn't make it up.

danbohan

Powerhouse wrote: »

This is a non-story when you read it, no attribution or anything. Just a silly season Sunday front-pager playing on what people want to read about.

This company has been stripped of everything by successive speculators and can hardly cope financially with its V/L offering. It will have neither the cash nor staff to roll anything out anywhere in the near future.

But those who whinge about Eircom's prices should acquaint themselves with the restrictions the company faces regarding price reducation - in order to foster competition! You couldn't make it up.

yes they have been stripped , but it also has a staff still stuck with a public sector mindset , complete rebuilding is needed

Powerhouse

danbohan wrote: »

but it also has a staff still stuck with a public sector mindset

That's an opinion which can't either be stood up or contradicted. Therefore it is meaningless.

horse7

there seems to be a total lack of understanding of the dedication the ordinary eircom worker has towards his/her customers. the ex. vodophone boss is the ceo,who will pocket over a million if the new owners dont keep him on.the ex australian owners have pilfered the company,and as usual the workers will pay with their jobs to balance the books.

Welease

horse7 wrote: »

there seems to be a total lack of understanding of the dedication the ordinary eircom worker has towards his/her customers.

Sadly thats not my experience.. I had to re-order my landline twice and broadband 4 times, because desite numerous install dates being missed there was never a record of my order in the system.

I had a fault a couple of weeks ago (as did the whole street).. phone and BB down for 5 days, and noone could tell us what the problem was or when it would be fixed. Not one call was returned despite multiple assurances.

And everyone knows an Eircom worker who's van is parked up most of they day outside their house

Like most other companies there are good and bad seeds within the company..

thebman

horse7 wrote: »

there seems to be a total lack of understanding of the dedication the ordinary eircom worker has towards his/her customers. the ex. vodophone boss is the ceo,who will pocket over a million if the new owners dont keep him on.the ex australian owners have pilfered the company,and as usual the workers will pay with their jobs to balance the books.

It seems the engineers that turn up never fail to impress but everything else is a disaster in the company.

The refusal to invest in the network now leaves the company in a position where it cannot compete with its competitors.

A place many of the workers will not have known since it was previously state owned. The union wasn't complaining when the company was making massive profits early on with their shares but now the company is down the tubes, the workers will make out they did nothing wrong and it was all the corporations fault.

Given the union had shares in the company, the members have to take a certain percentage of the blame for the poor decision making over the years.

Kalimah

From what I've heard from a relation who works for eircom,the unions sold out the ordinary worker years back. Seats on boards of directors, seats on board of ESOP etc etc. The company was asset stripped by sucessive owners. The unions made deals with various owners that the workers never heard about until the deals were finalised. My relation has not had any pay rise in 25 years except for the national wage agreements. Ok ESOP was some compensation for that but those payments don't count towards the pension. ESOP is more or less gone now-the pension fund is crocked. The company is a basket case. And for those who trot out the line of the guy in the van parked outside his house for most of the day-I know one of those too. He gets the same salary as my relation who goes to work day in day out.

Cookie_Monster

dan_d wrote: »

Yeah, but when taken into account along with this...


http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/reports-banks-and-eircom-to-shed-4000-jobs-464111.html

We are so unbelievably screwed.Still.:(:mad:

3000 in AIB is the figure being mentioned by AIB staff I know

RichardAnd

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

3000 in AIB is the figure being mentioned by AIB staff I know

How many do AIB employ in total does anyone know?

Cookie_Monster

RichardAnd wrote: »

How many do AIB employ in total does anyone know?

24,000 world wide

http://www.aibgroup.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=PressOffice/Page/aib_po_d_article_08&c=AIBArticle&cid=1201859723140&article=FreqAQ&poSection=AB&poSubSection=AB_FreqAQ#q6

RichardAnd

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

24,000 world wide

http://www.aibgroup.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=PressOffice/Page/aib_po_d_article_08&c=AIBArticle&cid=1201859723140&article=FreqAQ&poSection=AB&poSubSection=AB_FreqAQ#q6

Ahh. But are those 2000 jobs losses to come from Ireland alone?

Cookie_Monster

RichardAnd wrote: »

Ahh. But are those 2000 jobs losses to come from Ireland alone?

well they are offloading most of their activities outside of Ireland so they wouldn't be see as cuts as such, simply sales.

As fas as I can remember when working there in 07 it was 11,500 in Ireland

Scarab80

AIB Bank ROI 7,284
Capital Markets 2,424
AIB Bank UK 2,507
Central & Eastern Europe 9,596
Group(1) 2,870
Total 24,681

(1)Includes 2,283 in relation to Operations and Technology who support the business divisions (and whose costs are allocated
to the divisions) and other head office departments.

Head The Wall

Kalimah wrote: »

From what I've heard from a relation who works for eircom,the unions sold out the ordinary worker years back. Seats on boards of directors, seats on board of ESOP etc etc. The company was asset stripped by sucessive owners. The unions made deals with various owners that the workers never heard about until the deals were finalised. My relation has not had any pay rise in 25 years except for the national wage agreements. Ok ESOP was some compensation for that but those payments don't count towards the pension. ESOP is more or less gone now-the pension fund is crocked. The company is a basket case. And for those who trot out the line of the guy in the van parked outside his house for most of the day-I know one of those too. He gets the same salary as my relation who goes to work day in day out.

The ESOT own around 35% of the company so to say that they knew nothing about what was going on apart from what they were going to receive in money terms sounds like their own loss in fairness. They should have made it their business to do things properly.

Tough luck is what I would say

dan_d

While I agree a lot of trimming down needs to go on, I'm looking at it from the point of view of someone who's job hunting and out of work. (hence my depressing attitude)
That's 4000 more people to compete against.
How am I ever going to get anything?

Welease

Interesting comments by Senator Shane Ross on Newstalk this morning..

His belief was that Eircom was never ready to be moved into the private sector, it had too many staff and to many bad processes... Once the government protection was removed and some (albeit low level) competition arrived, it was doomed to failure. He also felt the heavy union influence and colossal pension defecit (2 billion Euro) makes it a pretty unattractive company to potential purchasers..

danbohan

Powerhouse wrote: »

That's an opinion which can't either be stood up or contradicted. Therefore it is meaningless.

certainly meaningless if you have a public sector mindset!

thebman

Head The Wall wrote: »

The ESOT own around 35% of the company so to say that they knew nothing about what was going on apart from what they were going to receive in money terms sounds like their own loss in fairness. They should have made it their business to do things properly.

Tough luck is what I would say

Especially considering the media, Ireland Offline, the government and about half their customers were screaming to them to invest in the network for years.

Sorry the whole I'm deaf thing, doesn't really work there, about the only way they didn't try to communicate this problem to them was using smoke signals.

Now they have a network falling apart and are losing more and more customers everyday because they are too expensive and provide a worse service than the competitors.

Bad practices maybe as Shane Ross said but they were happy to milk the existing network for all it was worth and have been screaming to the government to bail them out for a while now after taking Irish consumers for a ride by charging one of the highest line rentals in the world.

Sorry to the workers who will now be jobless but this is one of the most hated companies on the island and I think most people will be glad to see the back of them once they finally do go under completely which just looks like a matter of time.

Powerhouse

danbohan wrote: »

certainly meaningless if you have a public sector mindset!

This sentence doesn't appear to make any sense - but to repeat what I wrote if it helps: a statement of opinion which is incapable of either being proven or challenged is meaningless irrespective of your mindset - unless of course you are irrational and of the mindset that swallows cliché hook line and sinker and cannot operate outside a world of cant/received wisdom. That poster might as well have said that CRH employees prefer Mars bars to Twixes for all it adds to the debate.

ei.sdraob

Powerhouse wrote: »

This sentence doesn't appear to make any sense - but to repeat what I wrote if it helps: a statement of opinion which is incapable of either being proven or challenged is meaningless irrespective of your mindset - unless of course you are irrational and of the mindset that swallows cliché hook line and sinker and cannot operate outside a world of cant/received wisdom. That poster might as well have said that CRH employees prefer Mars bars to Twixes for all it adds to the debate.

see post 23

no one wants them due to excessive "entitlements" hanging about like a bad smell and a heavily unionised and entrenched workforce

sounds familiar?

conorhal

ei.sdraob wrote: »

see post 23

no one wants them due to excessive "entitlements" hanging about like a bad smell and a heavily unionised and entrenched workforce

sounds familiar?

Indeed, a friend of mine used to supply call centre and performance monitoring software to Eircom, the heavily unionized employess that were a hangover from it's public sector days were a special group and they had to be excluded from all measurement metrics, you were not allowed to generate data on how many calls they took, or even if they logged into the queues on not. The place was a basket case.

Kalimah

Well I'll tell you one thing-staff were and are screaming about lack of investment in the infrastruture but were ignored. I can scream all I want in my own job together with all my collaegues and my union to no avail. Management will do exactly as they please. Anyone who thinks the humble worker has a voice is sadly deluded.
And forget the highly unionised bit too. The unions sold out their members a long time ago. The unions will do no more to look after their members than the management will.

PS. Just saw that last post. As far as I know the call centre staff have not been public service in many a long year. Nor even employed directly by eircom.I stand to be corrected though. As far as I know there are very few staff left at this stage who have public service status. My own conncection there is in his 50s and has 30 something years done.

deise blue

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The banks should probably shed even more staff than that, since they are not actually doing any new business. In particular, they should make cuts at the top levels and appoint receiver type managers to clear out the loan books. The branches should be kept on on a skeletal staff.

Then, when they are solvent again, they can start re-hiring with new staff with new ideas.

Unfortunately for those staff at the lower end, they will bear the brunt of the job losses while those at the top will probably remain.

Not sure how Eircom will prioritise redundancies but the Banks will target the older percentile of the workforce where the greater savings can be made,

The banks will be anxious to hold on to the lower paid workers purely on a cost basis but given the fact that both BOI and AIB are highly unionised to achieve this the Banks will have to offer incentivised voluntary redundancy/early retirement packages or otherwise the IBOA will insist on a last in first out basis which will definitely not suit the banks plans.

Aidan1

tho alot of them are unionised job for life types that helped towards eircoms downfall just as much as the incompetent management

Eircom's staff and the CWU were and are the main reason why the company has been and is in such trouble. The CWU parlayed it's political influence (via the Labour party in 96-97) into a very generous ESOP*, including a seat on the board. And then, repeatedly and successively sold out the company to the next batch of 'investors' who took as much equity as they could out of the company, burdened it with debt, and flogged it again. The ESOP and CWU made out like bandits out of this process, hawking national infrastructure for their own gain, including greater ownership of the company, more seats on the board and more control. On that basis, I find it very difficult to have any sympathy for the unions in Eircom. Similarly, any claim by any leadership figure within the Irish trade union community that unions should have a greater role in running companies, State owned or not, should be met with outright derision, solely on the experience of Eircom.

And while all of this was going on, the company couldn't recruit even half enough new staff because the 'old stagers' were unmovable, and the unions stood in the way of anything that might move things on. Moreover, it certainly couldn't afford to invest in infrastructure. The 7-8 year battle over unbundling is a case in point. This union inspired train wreck bears a significant responsibility for the difficulties experienced by hundreds of thousands of people in getting access to broadband of even moderate quality. There are other factors too, but this is where it starts.

The new owners of Eircom seem to be more serious though, and between the FTTH pilot and other noises, at least they're trying. But if longstanding CWU members were to lose their jobs, I'd find it hard to feel overly sorry for them.

The_Honeybadger

Kalimah wrote: »

And for those who trot out the line of the guy in the van parked outside his house for most of the day-I know one of those too. He gets the same salary as my relation who goes to work day in day out.

I think we all know one of those, I know a guy who basically just took a week off, went A.W.O.L and nobody even noticed, he regularly takes unauthorised days off and nobody seems to care / notice. He also told me that many of the regular service staff have no work to do, and many are told to simply stay at home but not to send in expenses. He is one of the ones taking a very very generous package, it's clear that he can be done without.

Powerhouse

ei.sdraob wrote: »

see post 23

no one wants them due to excessive "entitlements" hanging about like a bad smell and a heavily unionised and entrenched workforce

sounds familiar?

You are pointing to another ubsubstantiated opinion in order to back up the original unsubstantiated opinion? Citing Shane Ross makes me laugh - he is coming out with all this retropsective cant about Eircom not having been suitable for privatisation having lost his short on the original share offering! He obviously didn't think so at the time! And now he is to be taken seriously?

Like I said it's an opinion that can be neither stood up nor challenged as it is immeasureable in any objective way. This sort of twaddle - at best anecdotal, at worst pure bluster - is a meaningless contribution to the discussion, though it is a terribly populist view and will naturally have its adherents as does any populist idea.

By all means debate the ins and outs of Eircom's business - even if I doubt many here have the knowledge to speak with genuine authority on the specific matter - but let's not impute a collective state of mind to a few thousand people when we could not possibly be in a position to do so.

Sponge Bob

Aidan1 wrote: »

Eircom's staff and the CWU were and are the main reason why the company has been and is in such trouble. The CWU parlayed it's political influence (via the Labour party in 96-97) into a very generous ESOP*, including a seat on the board. And then, repeatedly and successively sold out the company to the next batch of 'investors' who took as much equity as they could out of the company, burdened it with debt, and flogged it again. The ESOP and CWU made out like bandits out of this process, hawking national infrastructure for their own gain, including greater ownership of the company, more seats on the board and more control. On that basis, I find it very difficult to have any sympathy for the unions in Eircom. Similarly, any claim by any leadership figure within the Irish trade union community that unions should have a greater role in running companies, State owned or not, should be met with outright derision, solely on the experience of Eircom.

Ain't that the truth. The workers and CWU were given 15% of a debt free company with a funded pension scheme.

The ESOP trough was loaded with goodies and the senior CWU staff got their fat faces into it over 10 years ago and stuffed their faces. They connived in the loading of €4bn of debt onto the company while so doing.

The only pensions that are fully funded are those of the ESOP staff, all connected to senior CWU positions 10 years ago.

The new owners of Eircom seem to be more serious though, and between the FTTH pilot and other noises, at least they're trying. But if longstanding CWU members were to lose their jobs, I'd find it hard to feel overly sorry for them.

The new owners know there will be one foray into and out of bankruptcy to shed the debt. It may not happen for 2-3 years meaning that this investment limboland will continue and will severely delay any recovery in Ireland , and certainly outside the big cities.

On a technicality or two the 2000 staff can only be shed as part of this dive into and out of bankruptcy.

WalterMitty

My mother worked in Eircom on a temo contract around time of flotation and she was amazed at how handy it was. It was simple work opening payments sent in in envelopes at thier offices on stephens green. The work paid nearly double what was the going rate for such work and the public sector mindset and practises were deeply ingrained.

RichardAnd

WalterMitty wrote: »

My mother worked in Eircom on a temo contract around time of flotation and she was amazed at how handy it was. It was simple work opening payments sent in in envelopes at thier offices on stephens green. The work paid nearly double what was the going rate for such work and the public sector mindset and practises were deeply ingrained.

I'd go insane in a job like that

thebman

mickeyk wrote: »

I think we all know one of those, I know a guy who basically just took a week off, went A.W.O.L and nobody even noticed, he regularly takes unauthorised days off and nobody seems to care / notice. He also told me that many of the regular service staff have no work to do, and many are told to simply stay at home but not to send in expenses. He is one of the ones taking a very very generous package, it's clear that he can be done without.

Worryingly he could probably be put to good use repairing extremely poor lines but the company has no interest in fixing these lines and many of the workers appear to have no interest in doing the work.

The few people actually going out and doing the work will hopefully be the people remaining after this and we will see a new Eircom. One that wants customers.

Kalimah wrote: »

Well I'll tell you one thing-staff were and are screaming about lack of investment in the infrastruture but were ignored. I can scream all I want in my own job together with all my collaegues and my union to no avail. Management will do exactly as they please. Anyone who thinks the humble worker has a voice is sadly deluded.
And forget the highly unionised bit too. The unions sold out their members a long time ago. The unions will do no more to look after their members than the management will.

PS. Just saw that last post. As far as I know the call centre staff have not been public service in many a long year. Nor even employed directly by eircom.I stand to be corrected though. As far as I know there are very few staff left at this stage who have public service status. My own conncection there is in his 50s and has 30 something years done.

But the staff own a large share of the company through the union so do have a large say in what was going on, its just not enough cared.

Aidan1

Ross is wrong on this one.

The old Dept of Post and Telegraphs was a laughing stock in the early 1980s - there was a huge waiting list to even get a phone, charges were huge,and the serives was appalling. It got so bad that serious action had to be taken - it was too. An Post and Telecom Eireann were created, and Telecom got a proper management team, which went off and invested heavily in new exchanges and infrastructure, and for a while they were a seriously good company. It also meant that the unions were very pi$$ed off, and did their best to stop the entire process, by ladling on the restrictions on labour use and redeployment, and the Government(s) of the day could do little to shift them (some actively helped them). Think Aer Lingus, or Irish Rail, and multiply it by a lot.

The privatisation process was hijacked by the unions, and used for their own ends. The company was saleable at the time, and was viable, so long as the new owners could tackle the labour problem. Unfortunately, part of the new owners 'were' the labour problem.

Btw, the ESOP model was entirely inappropriate for semi states here. It evolved in the airline industry in the US in the 1980s as a means of getting unions in firms in Chapter 11 (bankruptcy) on board with rationalisation and cost cutting. Essentially they bought into the company, and took a risk - and were thus rewarded with any upside. Eircom had no such 'risk', it was not bankrupt, or under any threat. Instead, the ESOP model was used to buy off the unions, and in doing so, managed to subvert the very reason for privatisation in the first place; greater efficiencies in the work place, and a better service for the consumer. Brilliant.

Welease

Powerhouse wrote: »

I wouldn't know enough about the inner workings of the company to preume to be prescriptive on the source of its problems (I suspect everyone else here is in the same boat but that doesn't stop them). But my instinct is that the management is hardly as blameless as people here seem to think. I would be of the view that management always has at least some reponsibility and from what I know these guys drew incredible salaries and bonuses in recent years. To what end I would ask.

I dont think anyone believes the management are not at fault. The problems with Eircom seem to be at all levels in the company.

sceptre

Assorted crudolology deleted, mostly posts getting idiotically personal with other forum members. We don't do that here. Some of you have received multiple formal reminders on that by PM in the past few minutes.

Feel free to carry on with the point of the thread in mind.

/mod

thebman

Powerhouse wrote: »

Yes, my reference was to price ceiling being forced on Eircom so why would I mention an area where this was not the case?

If you ask me the capital of France I will say 'Paris' rather than 'not Pretoria'. I don't get why you seem to see this as an ommission.

I just made a point - sorry if I didn't get around to writing in the entire Telecommunications Act into it.

Well eircom were the ones requesting increases to the line rental so how could it have been forced on them?

Can you show me evidence that the regulator forced them to increase prices and that they didn't request the increase in line rental from the regulator?

From what I can see, it seems the regulator told them to sell wholesale at a certain amount lower than they were selling which isn't forcing line rental increases on them but forcing them to sell wholesale at wholesale like prices.

kuntboy

Powerhouse what's your opinion on the employees and how the company was run?

Head The Wall

Powerhouse wrote: »

You are pointing to another ubsubstantiated opinion in order to back up the original unsubstantiated opinion? Citing Shane Ross makes me laugh - he is coming out with all this retropsective cant about Eircom not having been suitable for privatisation having lost his short on the original share offering! He obviously didn't think so at the time! And now he is to be taken seriously?

Like I said it's an opinion that can be neither stood up nor challenged as it is immeasureable in any objective way. This sort of twaddle - at best anecdotal, at worst pure bluster - is a meaningless contribution to the discussion, though it is a terribly populist view and will naturally have its adherents as does any populist idea.

By all means debate the ins and outs of Eircom's business - even if I doubt many here have the knowledge to speak with genuine authority on the specific matter - but let's not impute a collective state of mind to a few thousand people when we could not possibly be in a position to do so.

Are you worried about being one of the 2000?

There's no defending the indefensible. I say this a someone who has not one good thing ever to say about the company, and thats not just on a personal issue either but as a large business user in my previous incarnations

cursai

Maybe i'm being totally ignorant and unknowing of the facts here but if AIB and BOI are cutting jobs.......what about Anglo Irish Bank. Or are they keeping their people employed in order to audit themselves. Just seems ridiculous. Has to be some sort of really sordid employment agreement there. I can understand the unfortunate losses in the other companies but can't understand how Anglo escaped.:)

jock101

Well with the way its run, and the cost of using them. Line rental etc..
Oh those days are well behind us! Compete or die! VOIP etc.. RIP Eircom!:rolleyes:

DrumSteve

Kalimah wrote: »

Well I'll tell you one thing-staff were and are screaming about lack of investment in the infrastruture but were ignored. I can scream all I want in my own job together with all my collaegues and my union to no avail. Management will do exactly as they please. Anyone who thinks the humble worker has a voice is sadly deluded.
And forget the highly unionised bit too. The unions sold out their members a long time ago. The unions will do no more to look after their members than the management will.

PS. Just saw that last post. As far as I know the call centre staff have not been public service in many a long year. Nor even employed directly by eircom.I stand to be corrected though. As far as I know there are very few staff left at this stage who have public service status. My own conncection there is in his 50s and has 30 something years done.

This is true.

deise blue

It now appears that the 2,000 Eircom redundancies will be spread over 5 years which will allow for substantial natural attrition.

To further complicate matters a Union/Management legacy agreement entered into prior to privatisation means that approximately 70% of the current workforce cannot be made compulsory redundant .

ei.sdraob

deise blue wrote: »

means that approximately 70% of the current workforce cannot be made compulsory redundant .

no wonder the company has rotten to the core

why work any harder or at all when you cant be fired

danbohan

ei.sdraob wrote: »

no wonder the company has rotten to the core

why work any harder or at all when you cant be fired

well maybe if company goes bust that might not matter , but then i think their is some agreement that in that case they will be taken back as public servants , you got love it !

Cookie_Monster

ei.sdraob wrote: »

no wonder the company has rotten to the core

why work any harder or at all when you cant be fired

compulsory redundancy and getting sacked for failing to perform are two entirely different kettles of fish

bonzos

Could all of you plaese stop using the term "worker" when discribing eircom employees..I find it insulting as someone who works hard for a living!!!