Do you believe in the supernatural?

El Guapo!

I was just looking at the thread on Ouija Boards and was wondering, how many people here believe in that sort of stuff? I don't mean Ouija boards in particular but spooky stuff in general......ghosts, poltergeists, possesions that sort of thing. Personally I do believe in a lot of that stuff because I have had stuff happen to me that makes me believe it.
So......is it real?......or is it bollocks?

Prof.Badass

No, I take pride in my sanity.

caseyann

oops

I do believe in it,also had experiences that have happened to me.
And one which was very comforting which made me believe more although sad at same time:(

Celly Smunt

caseyann wrote: »

You should add a poll

I do believe in it,also had experiences that have happened to me.
And one which was very comforting which made me believe more although sad at same time:(

but...there is a poll

Lando Griffin

Its all hokus pokus to me anyway.

Superbus

It's a cool thought, but I personally wouldn't. Since I have no evidence to hand, it wouldn't be particularly comforting to me to believe it.

Caoimhín

caseyann wrote: »

oops

I do believe in it,also had experiences that have happened to me.
And one which was very comforting which made me believe more although sad at same time:(

Were you were so busy with ouija boards you didn't listen in English class?

caseyann

pmcmahon wrote: »

but...there is a poll

BUAUAHAHA i didnt say that

Celly Smunt

caseyann wrote: »

i love dick

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: ruin my post and make me look stupd will ya

caseyann

pmcmahon wrote: »

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: ruin my post and make me look stupd will ya

HAHAHAHAHA I could go on and on with that but only get in trouble

And back to supernatural.It has happened also to people i know and things that would make your hair stand on back of your neck.

Biggins

OP: You cannot be serious!

NO!

we'llallhavetea_old

i used to believe. did the ouija boards a few times when i was a young'un, freaked the living crap out of ourselves.

don't believe in an afterlife anymore and tbh, it's a relief. i used to get myself into complete sweats if something odd happened in the house and i'd think it was a ghost. now i just worry about murderers

Sea Sharp

nope. It's all a load of tosh.

Mike 1972

Generally its a load of horseshyte

Although I knew someone in school who could do this "invisible rope trick" that I could never really explain

El Guapo!

Biggins wrote: »

OP: You cannot be serious!

NO!

I am serious. I believe only in the stuff that has happened to me and I cannot explain. And until its 100% disproved Ill continue to believe it. Sure what harm is a bit of belief!!:D
I do however think that all those mediums on TV are total con-artists preying on vunerable grieving people, and they should not be allowed on TV!

SadieSue

Not really. I do enjoy a good scary story or film now and again.
I used to believe in that stuff when I was younger but now I think people are scarier:pac:

dlofnep

No, it's bollocks.

I believe in life outside of Earth, but I wouldn't consider that supernatural. Infact, if anything - it's natural.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Yes, I do, unfortunately.
I get all freaked out by the smallest noises.:o

Abrasax

I wouldn't discount it.

The Fortean Times are full of recorded incidents of weird happenings, some with thousands of witnesses, like the visions at Fatima, which had 100,000 witnesses all over Portugal, to the last sighting.

The fundamentalist rationalists, such as CSICOP, tend to dismiss such things out of hand, even where no rational explanation can be found.

A good book on the subject of scepticism towards the supernatual is The New Inquisition by R.A.Wilson, where he delves through the history of science and outlines where theoretical phenomena were dismissed by rationalists until scientific improvements came along to verify them.

There may be much supernatural out there. We're just not capable yet of seeing it.

Sound Bite

Not it the slightest...load of nonsense i reckon

El Guapo!

dlofnep wrote: »

I believe in life outside of Earth, but I wouldn't consider that supernatural. Infact, if anything - it's natural.

I believe in that too. There's absolutely no chance that theres not life outside of Earth. Anybody who says different is kidding themselves.

caseyann

Dean09 wrote: »

I believe in that too. There's absolutely no chance that theres not life outside of Earth. Anybody who says different is kidding themselves.

Head over to CT and say that again out loud

Mike 1972

Abrasax wrote: »

I wouldn't discount it.

The Fortean Times are full of recorded incidents of weird happenings, some with thousands of witnesses, like the visions at Fatima,.......

Stopped reading after this bit

Dont think Ill be taking out a subscription.........

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Depends on what specific part of the supernatural. Me? Some, yes but not all.

It must be horribly limiting to believe only in what your senses tell you. If you even trust them.

Duggy747

My GF would be into that whole spiritual and supernatural boulderdash but I don't believe in any of it.

Has a ghost seriously got nothing better to do than spend it's existence trying to "communicate" with the living? If that sort of transcendance existed I'd be hanging around Jennifer Connolly's bedroom. :pac:

Anyways, NO! I worry more about living day to day than giving a shìt about how I'm supposed "exist in the next life"

fonecrusher1

Everybody sing this; ...if theres something strange....in your neighbourhood.....who ya gonna call???......












Load-a-bollox.:)

Abrasax

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Stopped reading after this bit

Dont think Ill be taking out a subscription.........

Read on and get the book I recommened.
If that doesn't cure your scepticism or at least make you an agnostic on the issue, nothing will.
I'll even post you my copy, if you wish.

Grumpypants

A woman looking at the sun through binoculars saw it dance in Knock what more proof do you need ?

Mike 1972

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

It must be horribly limiting to believe only in what your senses tell you. If you even trust them.

My senses dont tell me there are atoms, bacteria, radiation, or odourless gasses but I know theyre there

Abrasax

Mike 1972 wrote: »

My senses dont tell me there are atoms, bacteria, radiation, or odourless gasses but I know theyre there

Because the perceptive instruments have been created to detect them.
What about those 'crazies' who believed in them before science could prove their existence.

Oh, and Fatima, 100,000 witnesses spread over a huge area, having simultaneous hallucinations. You're going to tell me that's not a phenomenon in itself?

caseyann

dlofnep wrote: »

No, it's bollocks.

I believe in life outside of Earth, but I wouldn't consider that supernatural. Infact, if anything - it's natural.

I dont consider life after death or anything to do with it supernatural either,as it is natural and been here long before us.
I cant believe i agree with you on something :eek::p

Carl Sagan

Mary loves Dick.

Mike 1972

Because the perceptive instruments have been created to detect them.

My senses have no more reason to believe instrument readings than a Ouiji board though.

Oh, and Fatima, 100,000 witnesses spread over a huge area, having simultaneous hallucinations. You're going to tell me that's not a phenomenon in itself?

Must have taken a long time to interview 100,000 "witnesses" ???

starbelgrade

I had some very strange experiences in a house I lived in as a kid - you could possibly call them halucenogenic - as they were visual, but in all the years I spent in college, taking acid & mushrooms, I've never seen anything like it.

So yes, I believe that supernatural things can & do occur.

Caoimhín

Abrasax wrote: »

Oh, and Fatima, 100,000 witnesses spread over a huge area, having simultaneous hallucinations. You're going to tell me that's not a phenomenon in itself?

Crazy old delusional catholic nutters.

ICE HOUSE

No I have a life

Ruu_Old

Woooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. *pulls sheet off head* Hah, it was only me!

Abrasax

Mike 1972 wrote: »

My senses have no more reason to believe instrument readings than a Ouiji board though.

Eh?

Must have taken a long time to interview 100,000 "witnesses" ???

That's the stated number of witnsses. 70,000 at the event including scientists and reporters and 30,000 scattered throughout the countryside, who all claimed to have seen the same thing.
Whether there was an external cause or it was mass hallucination, that's pretty phenomenal to my mind.

Mike 1972

Caoimhín wrote: »

Crazy old delusional catholic nutters.

Get enough of them in one place and anything can happen.

Hence the term critical mass :pac:

Abrasax wrote: »

That's the stated number of witnsses. 70,000 at the event including scientists and reporters .

Do you know the difference between "were there" and "saw something" ?

Abrasax

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Do you know the difference between "were there" and "saw something" ?

I do, yes.
Funny that, I was going to cite the same article.

admiralofthefleet

yep, stuff has happened to me that goes beyond logic

Prof.Badass

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

yep, stuff has happened to me that goes beyond logic

Human brains are not perfect, they make mistakes from time to time (in some people moreso than others). Many optical illusions show us that the brain cuts loads of corners, particularly with perception. This makes it liable to being tricked once in a while.

There's a lot of work linking in spritual experiences with temporal lobe anomalies, in particular temporal lobe epilepsy, in fact these experience can be recreated in some indivuals with electromagnetic waves (see: the god helmet).

Also, the high prevalence of shizophrenia (1% of the population) a disorder which is particularly highly genetic and the lack of any single "schizophrenia gene", suggests that there are several "shizophrenia genes", widespread throughout the population, each making a small contribution.
In this case, these genes could possibly have benifits (such as better creative thought) which could explain their prevalence.

Just because you're sane enough to not need medical help, doesn't mean you're 100% there, all the time (i don't think anyone is).

Btw, It's strange that ghosts are associated with the night. First of all- fear of the dark but also, half-asleep brain= much more vunreable to hallucinations.

Caoimhín

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Get enough of them in one place and anything can happen.

Enough auld wans in the one place and it stinks of cabbage and pee.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Mike 1972 wrote: »

My senses dont tell me there are atoms, bacteria, radiation, or odourless gasses but I know theyre there

Ah, but are you sure?

Bajingo

I'm into the whole idea of the paranormal and i'd love to do one of those ghost hunt trips, as in just walking around looking for ghosts.

However, I don't believe in ghosts I think there is some explanation to all these experiences people have had, and honestly I think it's lazy to just put it down to ghosts and spirits. Get up and make a scientific discovery damn it!

Hank_Jones

People just let their imaginations run away with them.

Some people want to believe something so bad that they see and think things.

Think religion, except with ghosts...

bleg

Anybody that votes yes should be neutered.

mcmoustache

There's lots of stuff that I can't logically explain but that doesn't mean that there isn't a logical explanation. And blaming the unexplained on religious entities is just intellectual laziness.
This cr*p's been around for ages and in all those years, nothing has been proven. You'd think that by now at least one ghost would stop with all the cryptic nonsense and just communicate properly. I mean why do they appear faintly, make incoherent noises and throw stuff around? If they can manipulate our physical world, then they can communicate if communication is what they're trying to achieve. With all the people who have died since humans first appeared*, there should be a good few ghosts speaking clearly to sane people, making themselves visible for long periods of time and explaining what it is that they're up to by tapping people's keyboards and saving spooky files every night. We don't have that. Just vague sounds, faint apparitions and objects moving,

It's all bollox.:mad:



*If ghosts are dead people, at what point along our evolutionary journey did our ancestors start becoming ghosts? Are there ghost primates, ghost mammals, ghost fish, ghost micro-organisms, ghost proteins and amino acids, ghost atoms or ghost quarks and leptons? Where's the line?

K-9

Overall I think it's bollix, but I don't discount it.

On a general level, far too many hucksters preying on the vulnerable for stuff like this. Clairvoyants, Derek Acorahs etc. Some people and it is bye and large women, spend fortunes on soothsayers like this. They become addicted to it. Snake oil salesmen, pure and simple.

Dave!

Load of me hoop

Abrasax

My martial arts coach, a friend of four years, related a story to me about a house where his then girlfriend, now wife, was living.

A house somewhere on a street in Ranelagh, Dublin.

He's an architect and the lady works in social services, two very sane and sensible people and he's never one for the outlandish, so it surprised me to hear him telling a ghost story in the first place.

There was the usual ghostly occurences, freezing room, objects flying around, this was as related to my friend by the occupants but he's not really buying it at this stage.

Then one of the girls says she's being felt up at night and there's a few scrapes on her body. The plot thickens.

Then he's staying over one night, not long after, the room goes freezing again, something goes flying across the room, a glass I think, and after they go to sleep the two girls get felt up and both of them had huge scrapes on their faces.

Exit stage left. They stay with another friend up the street. The marks on their faces, prominent the night before disappeared the next day.

Now a visit to the local priest to ask for an exorcism. 'That house?', he says. 'No way. Forget about it.' He just advised them to move out.

Spooky.

I'm just relating that from memory, so there'll be an element of chinese whispers but the same lad is an occasional poster on here, so I've pm'd him to ask him to confirm it.