Urgent - Do you know a motorbike driver who wears horns on his helmet????

BrokenSpiral

Hi Everyone,

Trying to get in track down a guy on a motorbike with little information but someone might be able to help!

The bike was a big dark gray sportsbike (Reg was a 00D I think and possibly starting with an 8) and the driver was wearing black, which doesnt help much, but the driver had DEVIL HORNS stuck onto his helmet which might help to narrow it down.

He was travelling along the coast road in Sandymount heading towards Town / the east link.

Any information on identifying this driver would be greatly appreciated!

KTRIC

Care to say why ?

I think people would be more forthcoming with info if we knew why

BrokenSpiral

Hi KTRIC,

The driver of the motorbike was on the wrong side of the road (and I don't mean just overtaking like we do when we have the chance) and nearly crashed into my car and I flashed him.

A few minutes later I heard the roar of a bike behind me and it was him, he sped up to my car smashed my mirror and drove off.

Luckily for me the Gardai think it's incredibly serious (not a 10 euro piece of glass but the fact that someone would follow a car a kilometre down the road to smash up their car) so if I can track him down or get the complete reg then they can go and do what they do!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

KamiKazi

So he was on YOUR side of the road, and then doubled back and smashed your mirror off for no apparent reason?

Hmm....

BrokenSpiral

Yeah, as hard to believe as it that someone could be that hot headed as to do that after being flashed for being on the wrong side of the road, that is it!

MikeC101

So - biker was just cruising along on the wrong side of the road, heading directly towards you, and almost hit you?

I find it hard to believe there isn't more to the story - perhaps involving a car driver pulling out onto the road without checking it was clear. Because I find it very hard to believe a guy on a bike would simply merrily cruise along towards a car on the wrong side of the road, surely he was at least overtaking?

bad2dabone

perhaps they weren't horns after all and you had an encounter with the Prince of Darkness!

BrokenSpiral

Hi Mike,

Please don't try to co-opt my thread to make an assumption that I pulled out of a side road or something just to have a go at all the ignorant car drivers out there who dont pay any attention to motorbikes. If you want to have a rant about that pick one of the threads that deals with that.

This is a real incident that happend a couple of hours ago and is EXACTLY as I described it here! That is why it is important to track this lunatic down!

Sids Not

If he WAS in the wrong...he sounds like a right tosser, and the horns are a a bit sad tbh........:o

MikeC101

BrokenSpiral wrote: »

Hi Mike,

Please don't try to co-opt my thread to make an assumption that I pulled out of a side road or something just to have a go at all the ignorant car drivers out there who dont pay any attention to motorbikes. If you want to have a rant about that pick one of the threads that deals with that.

This is a real incident that happend a couple of hours ago and is EXACTLY as I described it here! That is why it is important to track this lunatic down!

Not trying to co-opt your thread, or have a rant - just trying to get a better idea of what you're saying happened.

Story sounds a bit odd is all, he came from behind you, smashed your mirror, then took off in front of you, but you didn't get his reg - he was apparently driving along on the wrong side of the road - was the lane he should have been in empty?

He turns around and follows you for a kilometre - all because you flashed your lights at him? When he was so clearly in the wrong.

Only cases I know of bikers getting angry enough to smash a side mirror (because it's a bloody dangerous thing for them to do, and I wouldn't condone it at all) have involved the car driver doing something that almost killed them, and in most of those cases the driver didn't even see the biker.

And if the story is 100% true and he regularly rides like that, he's an idiot, who will injure himself badly some day.

BrokenSpiral

Update:

Have had a fantastic service from the Gardai and they are pulling the footage from CCTV in the area to get his number plate!

I should also mention the fantastic service I got from Halfords in Carrickmines where I picked up replacement glass for my mirror for 13.99 and all is well again with my motor! :-)

EGOSHEA

BrokenSpiral wrote: »

Update:

Have had a fantastic service from the Gardai and they are pulling the footage from CCTV in the area to get his number plate!

I should also mention the fantastic service I got from Halfords in Carrickmines where I picked up replacement glass for my mirror for 13.99 and all is well again with my motor! :-)

Fair play to ya. I'm inclined to believe your version of events. Probably because (a) a guy wearing a helmet with horns on it sounds like a t*sser to begin with, (b) even if he had almost been hit, what he did was unacceptable, and (c) I don't find it hard to believe that a biker - with aggression levels suggesting the possibility of him being drunk/on something else - was on the wrong side of the road but then got furious at the 'audacity' of someone beeping/flashing him.

Hope he gets caught - gives the rest of us a bad name.

smellslikeshoes

Bikers don't just kick off mirrors for fun, it's usually our polite way of saying to use the ****ing things. And before you say that you couldn't possibly have done anything wrong, any time I've went after a car (and there has been a few) to have a quiet word they are usually completely oblivious to what they have done.

Amalgam

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Bikers don't just kick off mirrors for fun, it's usually our polite way of saying to use the ****ing things. And before you say that you couldn't possibly have done anything wrong, any time I've went after a car (and there has been a few) to have a quiet word they are usually completely oblivious to what they have done.

Keen on perpetuating stereotypes eh. Nothing polite or sensible about that.

smellslikeshoes

Amalgam wrote: »

Keen on perpetuating stereotypes eh. Nothing polite or sensible about that.

Nothing polite or sensible about getting mowed down by a car because they didn't use their mirrors. If they aren't going to use them they might aswell not have them.

Xios

Could've been a stupid mainland european or american forgetting their in another country, i'm inclined to think he was american and read one too many hell's angels stories perhaps. But that's just me stereotyping,
Like so

KTRIC

I have an idea who this guy is and I'll be f**ked if I'm shopping him based on the OP's story.

I encounter serious idiots every day on the roads and 90% of the time the cagers are at fault.

BrokenSpiral, I think you'll find you're not going to get any help here to be honest.

jameshayes

phah.... I'd say the biker was barley over the white line - and i'd say you drive a jeep - jeeps are the only tossers who dont like bikers sitting on a white line - you kept your line instead of moving over a little and nearly hit him....

then he was so pi$$ed that you tried to take his life he doubled back and reminded you that he wants to bite your head off.

T-Square

sounds very plausible

cantdecide

There are idiots all over the roads, OP. If we believe you, then he's the idiot. It's not impossible that you're the idiot here. It's not impossible that you both were idiots to different extents.

Why don't you just get on with your life, eh?

jameshayes

cantdecide wrote: »

There are idiots all over the roads, OP. If we believe you, then he's the idiot. It's not impossible that you're the idiot here. It's not impossible that you both were idiots to different extents.

Why don't you just get on with your life, eh?

13.99 and he's crying... jayzuz...

Some kid jumped on my bike when it was parked up a few years ago and done 200 quid worth of damage cause he used the fairing as a grab rail!!! I didn't run to no coppers - take it as experience..

galwaytt

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Nothing polite or sensible about getting mowed down by a car because they didn't use their mirrors. If they aren't going to use them they might aswell not have them.

Riding on the wrong side of the road is neither polite, sensible, nor frankly, safe. Fine if you don't give a toss about your own life, but don't go taking anyone else's whilst you're at it.......

Actually, riding on the wrong side of the road makes you a tosser of the highest order.

...And, last time I checked, you only use mirrors for traffic coming from behind, not oncoming traffic, no matter what lane you're in.....

I don't know why people are taking an affront to the OP's call for help - there is nothing here to suggest that his post is anything other than legit. And I say this as a biker, btw, a h-d one, even.........so I know both sides.

I've even been assaulted by a car driver, who got out of his car, in traffic, when he took umbrage at being overtaken by a Vespa.....

Irrespective of why, assault is assault, and he should be shopped. End of.

jameshayes

galwaytt wrote: »

I don't know why people are taking an affront to the OP's call for help - there is nothing here to suggest that his post is anything other than legit. And I say this as a biker, btw, a h-d one, even.........so I know both sides.

But what possible reason is there for the bike to be on the wrong side of the road... just smells fishy to me... why - unless he wanted to die would he put him self in the line of another car..?

KamiKazi

jameshayes wrote: »

But what possible reason is there for the bike to be on the wrong side of the road... just smells fishy to me... why - unless he wanted to die would he put him self in the line of another car..?

+1

OP could very well be telling the truth, just doesn't add up for me.

Cuddlesworth

KamiKazi wrote: »

+1

OP could very well be telling the truth, just doesn't add up for me.

Picture the scene. Biker goes to overtake, pulls out. A car a good bit off in the distance starts flashing high beams because the biker is on their side of the road and they are incapable of judging distances and speeds. So he completes the maneuver, gets flashed/blinded again by the car driver for good measure as he goes by and gets pissed off.

Then you have a biker who was being blinded during a overtake turning around and going after the car. The prick part comes in with the smashing of the mirror and riding off.

pa990

no matter what happened.. it doesn't justify causing criminal damage

KamiKazi

pa990 wrote: »

no matter what happened.. it doesn't justify causing criminal damage

Let's not open that can of worms.

cantdecide

galwaytt wrote: »

Irrespective of why, assault is assault, and he should be shopped. End of.

There's a Corsa in Cork lucky to have it's mirror this morning. It was pissing rain and I was driving my brother's new bike back from Limerick. I was following maybe 40' behind said Corsa and we bumbled through Cork and out onto the dual carriageway.

The car was just dawdling along so after he negotiated the ramp onto the dual carriageway and I followed, I decided to change lane and overtake. I had fallen behind and actually was a good distance behind at this stage. I revved her up through the gears, changed lane and was doing about 100km to his 60km.

There wasn't a single vehicle in sight in any direction. There wasn't a RH junction. There was absolutely nothing only me and him and I was about to clip past him.

On comes his indicator and for reasons known only to himself, he changed lanes and I nearly rear ended him. I have no idea how I missed him.

Now I was bloody tempted to react but I didn't. Well, I just held my arm out to say 'WTF are you doing?'.

Having said that, if I were the Corsa driver and I had my mirror removed and I was conveying the story to someone, I'd almost expect to be told 'well you deserved that- why don't you use your mirrors in future'.

celticbest

Criminal damage is criminal damage no matter if there was justification or not.

If you drive around with horns on your helmet I think this says a lot about the person........

Tigger

celticbest wrote: »

Criminal damage is criminal damage no matter if there was justification or not.

If you drive around with horns on your helmet I think this says a lot about the person........

i used to have little horns on my helmet

it said i found some women liked lads with horny helmets

Wow.... some of the ignorance in this thread is astounding. Trying to justify someone smashing a mirror is ridiculous.

Tigger

drBill

galwaytt wrote: »

Riding on the wrong side of the road is neither polite, sensible, nor frankly, safe. Fine if you don't give a toss about your own life, but don't go taking anyone else's whilst you're at it.......

Actually, riding on the wrong side of the road makes you a tosser of the highest order.

...And, last time I checked, you only use mirrors for traffic coming from behind, not oncoming traffic, no matter what lane you're in.....

I don't know why people are taking an affront to the OP's call for help - there is nothing here to suggest that his post is anything other than legit. And I say this as a biker, btw, a h-d one, even.........so I know both sides.

I've even been assaulted by a car driver, who got out of his car, in traffic, when he took umbrage at being overtaken by a Vespa.....

Irrespective of why, assault is assault, and he should be shopped. End of.

The only thing I could disagree with there is the use of a phrase like 'End of.' !

T-Square

celticbest wrote: »

If you drive around with horns on your helmet I think this says a lot about the person........

You post says a lot about you, none of it good.

Until the biker posts a response, this argument is one-sided, and pointless.

drBill

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Picture the scene. Biker goes to overtake, pulls out. A car a good bit off in the distance starts flashing high beams because the biker is on their side of the road and they are incapable of judging distances and speeds. So he completes the maneuver, gets flashed/blinded again by the car driver for good measure as he goes by and gets pissed off.

Then you have a biker who was being blinded during a overtake turning around and going after the car. The prick part comes in with the smashing of the mirror and riding off.

Just to bring a bit of balance here lets propose another view:

The car driver was on his way home to write some cheques for the poor having dropped some childrens toys off at the orphanage.
As he proceeds along the road within the speed limit, with seatbelt securely fastened, mobile phone turned off and hands in the 10-2 position on the steering wheel he is alarmed to see a motorcycle rapidly approaching him on his side of the road.
Concerned that driver of said motorcycle may not be able to see him, he flashes his lights to alert the motorcyclist of his presence.
Luckily a collision is averted and the car driver offers up a silent prayer of thanks for the continued safety of himself and the motorcyclist.
Imagine his horror then when shortly afterwards the motor cyclist reappears in his rear view mirror, pursues him for a kilometer, smashes his rear view mirror, then speeds off.


As I say, just to bring a bit of balance to the newly revealed facts that
- there was a good bit of distance between bike and car
- the car driver was incapable of judging distances and speeds
- the car driver flashed his lights both while the motorcyclist was on his side of the road and after he had moved back in
- the car headlights were so powerful as to blind the motorcyclist.
Hopefully I haven't overdone it!

KTRIC

drBill wrote: »

Hopefully I haven't overdone it!

I think you hit the nail on the head. You must have been there

galwaytt

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Picture the scene. Biker goes to overtake, pulls out. A car a good bit off in the distance starts flashing high beams because the biker is on their side of the road and they are incapable of judging distances and speeds. So he completes the maneuver, gets flashed/blinded again by the car driver for good measure as he goes by and gets pissed off.

Then you have a biker who was being blinded during a overtake turning around and going after the car. The prick part comes in with the smashing of the mirror and riding off.

+1

jameshayes wrote: »

But what possible reason is there for the bike to be on the wrong side of the road... just smells fishy to me... why - unless he wanted to die would he put him self in the line of another car..?

KamiKazi wrote: »

+1

OP could very well be telling the truth, just doesn't add up for me.

All irrelevent: the act of damage is not excused by anything. Worse, what if OP had lost control and crashed as a result of the mirror-action ? And, say, drove over the rider in question, in the process ?

KamiKazi wrote: »

Let's not open that can of worms.

Nothing to open. The damage is done.

cantdecide wrote: »

There's a Corsa in Cork lucky to have it's mirror this morning. ....and for reasons known only to himself, he changed lanes and I nearly rear ended him. I have no idea how I missed him.

Now I was bloody tempted to react but I didn't. Well, I just held my arm out to say 'WTF are you doing?'.

****ty thing to do, I agree, and the sentiment re his mirror I understand completely. But that's just it, there's a line between the sentiment and the action, which is +1 you, tbh. Don't forget, you can report his number too, btw..

smellslikeshoes

galwaytt wrote: »

Riding on the wrong side of the road is neither polite, sensible, nor frankly, safe. Fine if you don't give a toss about your own life, but don't go taking anyone else's whilst you're at it.......

Actually, riding on the wrong side of the road makes you a tosser of the highest order.

...And, last time I checked, you only use mirrors for traffic coming from behind, not oncoming traffic, no matter what lane you're in.....

I don't know why people are taking an affront to the OP's call for help - there is nothing here to suggest that his post is anything other than legit. And I say this as a biker, btw, a h-d one, even.........so I know both sides.

I've even been assaulted by a car driver, who got out of his car, in traffic, when he took umbrage at being overtaken by a Vespa.....

Irrespective of why, assault is assault, and he should be shopped. End of.

I don't think you see the problem here. We are getting the story from one person. There a lot of variables here and you will forgive me if you if I'm not quick to assume a biker just kicked off a mirror for fun or because someone flashed him.

pa990 wrote: »

no matter what happened.. it doesn't justify causing criminal damage

If any Garda are reading, this next bit is hypothetical:pac:
If someone almost killed me because they couldn't open their eyes, a small bit of criminal damage doesn't concern me. If it does enforce stereotypes then so be it, but maybe next time the car driver will be more weary of bikers incase he is going to loose another mirror.

Cuddlesworth

drBill wrote: »

Just to bring a bit of balance here lets propose another view:

The car driver was on his way home to write some cheques for the poor having dropped some childrens toys off at the orphanage.
As he proceeds along the road within the speed limit, with seatbelt securely fastened, mobile phone turned off and hands in the 10-2 position on the steering wheel he is alarmed to see a motorcycle rapidly approaching him on his side of the road.
Concerned that driver of said motorcycle may not be able to see him, he flashes his lights to alert the motorcyclist of his presence.
Luckily a collision is averted and the car driver offers up a silent prayer of thanks for the continued safety of himself and the motorcyclist.
Imagine his horror then when shortly afterwards the motor cyclist reappears in his rear view mirror, pursues him for a kilometer, smashes his rear view mirror, then speeds off.


As I say, just to bring a bit of balance to the newly revealed facts that
- there was a good bit of distance between bike and car
- the car driver was incapable of judging distances and speeds
- the car driver flashed his lights both while the motorcyclist was on his side of the road and after he had moved back in
- the car headlights were so powerful as to blind the motorcyclist.
Hopefully I haven't overdone it!

My post was in response to Kami and JamesHayes comments saying that the original post doesn't add up. It doesn't.

I portrayed a scene which would fill both category, pissed off biker and innocent motorist. I'm sure there are a few others. But bikers don't go through the effort of driving down the wrong side of the road(because he would by now be dead), following cars that disagree with it(everybody) and then kicking their mirrors off at speed(death wish for biker).

There are large parts of this story missing and I have no intention of helping.

MikeC101

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

I don't think you see the problem here. We are getting the story from one person. There a lot of variables here and you will forgive me if you if I'm not quick to assume a biker just kicked off a mirror for fun or because someone flashed him.

+1 to this. When the statistic of car drivers being to blame in 70% plus of accidents involving a car and a motorbike starts to drop, I'll start giving the benefit of the doubt to car drivers coming along with "I didn't do nuthin'" stories.

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

If any Garda are reading, this next bit is hypothetical:pac:
If someone almost killed me because they couldn't open their eyes, a small bit of criminal damage doesn't concern me. If it does enforce stereotypes then so be it, but maybe next time the car driver will be more weary of bikers incase he is going to loose another mirror.

Either that or he thinks - because he may not even be aware of what he's done wrong - that all bikers are dangerous nutcases, and starts driving more aggressively around them? I doubt knocking off a mirror will make a driver any more careful, but I can understand that someone almost killed because a driver couldn't be bothered to glance in their mirror might react (not directed at the OP, just a statement in general).

Hell, see the amount of stereotyping done by drivers when it comes to different makes of cars - now consider a non biker stereotyping bikers, it's even worse.

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

There are large parts of this story missing and I have no intention of helping.

My sentiments exactly - if he genuinely came here hoping someone would know the biker and tell him who it was on the basis of that story, he went about it the wrong way.

pa990

well.. if someone on a bike kicked off a wing mirror, the driver might loose control of the car and accidentally collide with them.
perfectible understandable for someone who is in shock


maybe the guys on bikes should bear that in mind

and yes i do drive a bike, and am aware of the dangers on the roads by cars aka cages,

smellslikeshoes

MikeC101 wrote: »

Either that or he thinks - because he may not even be aware of what he's done wrong - that all bikers are dangerous nutcases, and starts driving more aggressively around them? I doubt knocking off a mirror will make a driver any more careful, but I can understand that someone almost killed because a driver couldn't be bothered to glance in their mirror might react (not directed at the OP, just a statement in general).

I see your point but there is also the other side of that (and imo bigger), drivers think bikers are nutcases and give them a wide birth. The fact is car drivers couldn't be much more aggressive to bikers than they are now short of mowing them down on purpose.

EGOSHEA

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

If any Garda are reading, this next bit is hypothetical:pac:
If someone almost killed me because they couldn't open their eyes, a small bit of criminal damage doesn't concern me. If it does enforce stereotypes then so be it, but maybe next time the car driver will be more weary of bikers incase he is going to loose another mirror.

Alternatively, they may just come to think that bikers are a violent sub-section of motorists, might even become less careful towards them, and - if they are **** drivers already (and I'm not addressing the OP here) - not be likely to become any better as a result of a kicked mirror. I see where you're coming from to some extent though.

Wolfe Tone

This thread for the most part is bullsh!t. I believe the OP after all if he was the one being a muppet why would he contact the Gardai and have cctv pulled?

Everyone here is quick to jump to the bikers defense and slow to acknowledge that muppets, tossers and bad drivers are not exclusive to cars.

MikeC101

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

This thread for the most part is bullsh!t. I believe the OP after all if he was the one being a muppet why would he contact the Gardai and have cctv pulled?

Because he's
a) Completely unaware of what he did wrong that caused the biker to react like that.
b) Aware of what he did wrong, but knows it won't be on CCTV footage from 1km down the road, and is being vindictive
c) Completely in the right.

Lots of possibilities...he was only asked for more information.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Everyone here is quick to jump to the bikers defense and slow to acknowledge that muppets, tossers and bad drivers are not exclusive to cars.

I don't think anyone thinks that bikers are never in the wrong - there are plenty of bad bikers - the difference being that the ones on bikes tend to only kill / injure themselves, the ones in cars have a nasty habit of taking out other people due to their incompetence.

MikeC101

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

I see your point but there is also the other side of that (and imo bigger), drivers think bikers are nutcases and give them a wide birth. The fact is car drivers couldn't be much more aggressive to bikers than they are now short of mowing them down on purpose.

I do understand why someone would be angry enough to react like this - the last time I was, a jeep pulled out of his driveway straight onto the road in front of me, mobile phone stuck to his ear, didn't look left or right, with his window down. Luckily I'd seen into his driveway (there was a gap in the bushes that lined it) and dropped speed, suspecting (the mobile is always a bad sign) he might do exactly that. I beeped at him, he glanced over, sneered at me, and continued pulling out. Had I been any closer I would have reached in the window, and thrown his phone down the road - it's the angriest I've ever been, and I'm not usually confrontational at all. I should have gone into the house he'd come out of and told them. Probably wouldn't have done any good, but you never know.

It's the sheer arrogance of a driver that decides that my life isn't worth them taking their attention away from their phone call, or to take a second to check their mirrors, or blindspot, that fires up the anger.

BrokenSpiral

Some very interesting reponses there! I was hoping that the sheer stupidity and potential danger of what the biker did would get most members of this forum wanting that guy off the road, as much as everyone wants all of the muppet car drivers off the road!

For all of the "The OP must have done something wrong" people, you have to just accept that I did not. I am an extraordinarily safe driver and very bike aware while driving.

For everyone who thinks that there is ANY justification for what the motorbike did then you need your heads examined.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the idiot on the bike thought he was perfectly within his rights to be on the wrong side of the road and if KTRIC knows him, or anyone else, then they really should do the right thing and call the Gardai with the information.

jameshayes

T-Square

To all of those posters who are getting hung up on the fact that the biker smashed the glass in the drivers mirror.

Let me just point out that it is clear,
that none of your have ever had your life under threat,
at the hands of a car driver.

To any more posters who want to complain about the barbaric
actions of a biker, don't even think about it, until your have nearly lost your life.

Wolfe Tone

T-Square wrote: »

To all of those posters who are getting hung up on the fact that the biker smashed the glass in the drivers mirror.

Let me just point out that it is clear,
that none of your have ever had your life under threat,
at the hands of a car driver.

To any more posters who want to complain about the barbaric
actions of a biker, don't even think about it, until your have nearly lost your life.

TBH that post is just pure rubbish, and illustrates a siege mentality that is unwarranted.

T-Square

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

TBH that post is just pure rubbish, and illustrates a siege mentality that is unwarranted.

You clearly haven't experienced it.
Because if you did, you would know that it is not rubbish.