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Just because the PS3 is the lead platform doesn't mean the games will look better on said console. You used Bad Company 2 as an example, well in this case apart from the not-so-pleasing dither effect in the snow levels, the 360 has the lead in a few other areas as well as marginally increased frame rates and lack of screen tear. More digestible info from the lovely guys over at Digital Foundry.NotorietyH wrote: »That used to be the case, but there's been a big shift recently as developers have realised it's easier to work on the version first and then port it to 360. A lot of EA games are developed with the PS3 as lead platform. Bad Company 2 being the most recent example and Dead Space 2 has PS3 as lead platform too. Also Final Fantasy XIII was noticeably worse on 360. I've found that the difference is usually unnoticable either way. Someone recently said that the PS3 version of Portal 2 was going to be the best version on consoles too. Sony have managed to cosy up to EA and wrangle some pretty nice exclusive content for upcoming games, namely a copy of the HD remake of Medal of Honor Frontlines with the new Medal of Honor and Dead Space: Extraction with Dead Space 2. So the old argument of the 360 always being best for multi-platform games no longer holds water. You can only go by game to game now.
As for Dead Space 2, neither Sony nor EA ever mentioned what the lead platform would be, only that it would include Extraction which makes perfect sense given the PS3 has the Move controller. If anything, if Dante's Inferno was anything to go by, the development will be platform agnostic as both teams worth simultaneously on the game. Portal 2 will be the "best" console version because of Steamworks which, to be quite honest, won't add anything to the game itself. On top of that we still don't know who is developing it, Valve or EA. FFXIII was indeed superior on the PS3, no issues there, however it wasn't exactly surprising.
Anyway, as for the OPs problem, I would definitely get the PS3 if only for the outstanding exclusives, however, I would definitely not sell the 360 either. Apart from the fact you'll get **** all for it on trade-in, there are still some quality games still to come like Gears 3, Mass Effect 3, Fable 3 and Crackdown 2 not to mention some quality titles coming to XBLA like Limbo, Hydro Thunder and Fez (sooner rather than later hopefully).0 -
Just because the PS3 is the lead platform doesn't mean the games will look better on said console. You used Bad Company 2 as an example, well in this case apart from the not-so-pleasing dither effect in the snow levels, the 360 has the lead in a few other areas as well as marginally increased frame rates and lack of screen tear. More digestible info from the lovely guys over at Digital Foundry.
As for Dead Space 2, neither Sony nor EA ever mentioned what the lead platform would be, only that it would include Extraction which makes perfect sense given the PS3 has the Move controller. If anything, if Dante's Inferno was anything to go by, the development will be platform agnostic as both teams worth simultaneously on the game. Portal 2 will be the "best" console version because of Steamworks which, to be quite honest, won't add anything to the game itself. On top of that we still don't know who is developing it, Valve or EA. FFXIII was indeed superior on the PS3, no issues there, however it wasn't exactly surprising.
Anyway, as for the OPs problem, I would definitely get the PS3 if only for the outstanding exclusives, however, I would definitely not sell the 360 either. Apart from the fact you'll get **** all for it on trade-in, there are still some quality games still to come like Gears 3, Mass Effect 3, Fable 3 and Crackdown 2 not to mention some quality titles coming to XBLA like Limbo, Hydro Thunder and Fez (sooner rather than later hopefully).
Well yes and no. Around the launch of BC2 there was another comparison video in which the PS3 better in a lot of areas. The PS3 does some things better than Xbox and vice-versa. Xbox seems better with anything to do with aliasing. We're not talking about just graphics either. All that was said was that the Xbox always has the better versions, which I'm saying is not the case any more. Those comparison videos drive me nuts generally and I hate resorting to them because when it boils down to it the difference between versions is so negligible that it makes no difference. There's a few games I've double-dipped and bought the 360 and PS3 version and neither stood out to me as significantly better than the other version. It's just a tool people use to fuel their fanboyism and blanket statements like "All games are better on 360," drives me to distraction as it's just a sweeping generalisation that was created after a couple of games had poor PS3 ports (namely The Orange Box).
Portal 2 having Steamworks included is massive and makes a huge difference to the game. It potentially means that the PS3 version will have the level of support that only the PC versions of Valve games have had so far, as opposed to the sub-standard treatment that the 360 version of Team Fortress 2 had for example in comparison to the PC version. The patch that added the easter eggs and refined ending to Portal on the PC is the kind of thing they'll be able to do on PS3 if they were inclined. I may be wrong about Dead Space 2, I thought I heard that it was the lead platform. I thoguht it was a Visceral rep who said that they've found it's a lot easier to develop for PS3 as lead because if you can get it working on PS3 it means it's going to work on 360 relatively easily whereas it can be difficult to port from 360 to PS3. It might have been a DICE rep, not sure. I know that the PS3 is the lead on the new Medal of Honor.
I remember a post a while back from Helix where he said that he had seen a game where it was the first time that he'd seen the graphics on the PS3 version of the game being far superior to the Xbox version that it almost looked like a console generation gap. He couldn't say which game as it was embargoed, and I'm not sure if he ever revealed it.
Basically all I'm saying is that there seems to me at least, to be a bit of momentum on the PS3 side of things as developers begin to get used to the system etc. and that you can't say that generally the 360 versions of games are better now that it really varies from game to game.
I have both consoles so I don't care either way :P Just prefer my PS3, but would recommend keeping a hold of both. I think the OP should get a second TV too so you can play a copy of the game on each system and do a direct comparison and settle the argument once and for all.
EDIT: Very old article, but it talks about EA focusing on making PS3 lead platform. I imagine it's still their policy, if not more so considering how in bed with Sony they seem these days. http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/08/04/ea-focus-on-ps3-as-lead-platform-for-game-development/0 -
Just because the PS3 is the lead platform doesn't mean the games will look better on said console. You used Bad Company 2 as an example, well in this case apart from the not-so-pleasing dither effect in the snow levels, the 360 has the lead in a few other areas as well as marginally increased frame rates and lack of screen tear. More digestible info from the lovely guys over at Digital Foundry.
As for Dead Space 2, neither Sony nor EA ever mentioned what the lead platform would be, only that it would include Extraction which makes perfect sense given the PS3 has the Move controller. If anything, if Dante's Inferno was anything to go by, the development will be platform agnostic as both teams worth simultaneously on the game. Portal 2 will be the "best" console version because of Steamworks which, to be quite honest, won't add anything to the game itself. On top of that we still don't know who is developing it, Valve or EA. FFXIII was indeed superior on the PS3, no issues there, however it wasn't exactly surprising.
Anyway, as for the OPs problem, I would definitely get the PS3 if only for the outstanding exclusives, however, I would definitely not sell the 360 either. Apart from the fact you'll get **** all for it on trade-in, there are still some quality games still to come like Gears 3, Mass Effect 3, Fable 3 and Crackdown 2 not to mention some quality titles coming to XBLA like Limbo, Hydro Thunder and Fez (sooner rather than later hopefully).
yea we do it was said it'd be valve. there is no way to know if the game itself will be better on 360 or PS3 but as valve refused to do the PS3 version of games themselves in a hissy fit before i think now that Sony is giving them the better set-up they'll be making a pc, mac and PS3 version then porting to 360 , EA may even be making the 360 version.0 -
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Well yes, the blanket generalisation is over the top alright however, bar a few titles it has held true and as such I think it's still something to bear in mind when making a fresh purchase. They are certainly getting closer but there are some deficiencies in both consoles which require significant amounts of work to overcome in order to get both versions looking the same. Or, to be more precise, if one were to push either platform, it'd require more work to balance them, something not all companies are willing to do. As for the comparison videos, while they do seem to attract unintelligent drivel from fanboys, they are useful if a) you're actually interested in the development process of said titles or b) you own both consoles and simply want to know which is the "best" version, regardless of how small.NotorietyH wrote: »Well yes and no. Around the launch of BC2 there was another comparison video in which the PS3 better in a lot of areas. The PS3 does some things better than Xbox and vice-versa. Xbox seems better with anything to do with aliasing. We're not talking about just graphics either. All that was said was that the Xbox always has the better versions, which I'm saying is not the case any more. Those comparison videos drive me nuts generally and I hate resorting to them because when it boils down to it the difference between versions is so negligible that it makes no difference. There's a few games I've double-dipped and bought the 360 and PS3 version and neither stood out to me as significantly better than the other version. It's just a tool people use to fuel their fanboyism and blanket statements like "All games are better on 360," drives me to distraction as it's just a sweeping generalisation that was created after a couple of games had poor PS3 ports (namely The Orange Box).
This isn't exactly true. Anything game-content wise that could be brought via Steamworks, could be brought via PSN with the same level of ease. Just because Steamworks is there, doesn't mean it'll be able to skip the PSN certification for example. On top of this is the fact that the only features which have been confirmed are community support features, such as chat and the cloud services. Again it'd be great to see more support for the consoles in this respect but it's far too early to be guessing.NotorietyH wrote: »Portal 2 having Steamworks included is massive and makes a huge difference to the game. It potentially means that the PS3 version will have the level of support that only the PC versions of Valve games have had so far, as opposed to the sub-standard treatment that the 360 version of Team Fortress 2 had for example in comparison to the PC version. The patch that added the easter eggs and refined ending to Portal on the PC is the kind of thing they'll be able to do on PS3 if they were inclined.
That was more a general EA policy but as I pointed out, the lead platform doesn't mean it'll necessarily look better. As for MoH being lead on the PS3, well I'm sure the MP component, which uses DICE's Frostbite engine, will be however the SP element, which uses UE3, will be the same on both given the nature of the engine.NotorietyH wrote: »I may be wrong about Dead Space 2, I thought I heard that it was the lead platform. I thoguht it was a Visceral rep who said that they've found it's a lot easier to develop for PS3 as lead because if you can get it working on PS3 it means it's going to work on 360 relatively easily whereas it can be difficult to port from 360 to PS3. It might have been a DICE rep, not sure. I know that the PS3 is the lead on the new Medal of Honor.
I would be quite frankly amazed if this were true. It would be far more likely that the PS3 version was further along in development than the 360 version.NotorietyH wrote: »I remember a post a while back from Helix where he said that he had seen a game where it was the first time that he'd seen the graphics on the PS3 version of the game being far superior to the Xbox version that it almost looked like a console generation gap. He couldn't say which game as it was embargoed, and I'm not sure if he ever revealed it.
Well yes, as time goes on you will see more developers get the hang of the system as both their own, and indeed Sony's tools improve. As for the latter part, well I mentioned that above, in the majority of cases this is still true, even if it is at levels which some people may choose to ignore.NotorietyH wrote: »Basically all I'm saying is that there seems to me at least, to be a bit of momentum on the PS3 side of things as developers begin to get used to the system etc. and that you can't say that generally the 360 versions of games are better now that it really varies from game to game.
I have not seen one statement from Valve to this effect, if there has been one I'd be interested in seeing it though so link away please. As for Valve prior refusal to develop on the platform, it wasn't so much as a hissy fit, rather they looked at the cost of developing on the platform at the time and the potential returns and decided it wasn't worth it. Things have changed now of course so it makes perfect sense to get involved. As for EA making the 360 version? That won't be happening.yea we do it was said it'd be valve. there is no way to know if the game itself will be better on 360 or PS3 but as valve refused to do the PS3 version of games themselves in a hissy fit before i think now that Sony is giving them the better set-up they'll be making a pc, mac and PS3 version then porting to 360 , EA may even be making the 360 version. 0 -
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